The real case for keeping Richt

In a world in which six head coaches making more than $3 million a year sport losing records, do you really want to be the guy who fires a nine- or ten-win Mark Richt?  Or, more accurately, spend the kind of money it would take to get a replacement for Richt who would unify the fan base?

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175 responses to “The real case for keeping Richt

  1. Steve

    No, if you’re content with continued under achievement and mediocrity.

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    • Right. Because aside from Richt, Georgia coaches are known for overachieving and greatness.

      I love the “it’s so easy” crowd. If it really were, you’d be the AD right now, brother.

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      • UGA (as a program) was a Herschel Walker torn ACL away from being a total nobody. That’s what I always come back to when people want to fire Richt. Georgia fans have an inflated view of what their program actually is.

        Does it piss me off when Richt and Co face plant like it did last week? Absolutely. But then I remember all the wins over GaTech, Auburn, Tennessee and yes, even Florida.

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        • James Stephenson

          Richt owns Auburn, and I love that about him. It takes some luck to win a championship, unless you get a Cam or a Herschel. I mean Florida and LSU had two losses, some of the years they won it all. And out 2007 team and 2013 team were as good as anybody in the country, period.

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          • Will (The Other One)

            Owns Auburn and Tech, and has a winning record against every SEC East team save FL (though that’s trending up in the past 5 years.)
            One faceplant is bad…but it’s certainly better than 2-3 (or 4-5) under Donnan and Goff.

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        • TheNelsonPuppet

          Every time I get mad about CMR losing to Alabama, I just remember Game 1 of the Jim Donnan era: a loss to Southern Miss in Sanford Stadium. Or the 31-0 Alabama game in 1995 when Goff threw Hines Ward in at QB for his first college start with 1 week’s prep. Or 1997 Auburn when UGA could have won the SEC East at home and ended up getting blown out. Or 1995 Vanderbilt, when the players allegedly threw the game as a protest over Homecoming. Or 1996 Kentucky. Or the Peach Bowl in 1995. Or 1993 South Carolina. You “get the picture”.

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      • 3rdandGrantham

        Its NOT easy but, as I opined below, UGA is a totally, TOTALLY different school/program than it was 20, 40, 80 years ago, both overall and in relation to our peers when it comes to all the inherent advantages we enjoy.

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        • 3rdandGrantham

          By the way, I know some here can’t stand him, but i enjoy listening to Colin Cowherd. In fact he’s the only sports guy I watch/listen to. He’s from Washington St. and a Udub fan who just moved out to L.A from Bristol., but over the years he has mentioned several times that, based on his many conversations with NFL and college types, that UGA considered a dream job by just about all of them, and they’d kill to have that job.

          Champ Bailey in fact was just on his show the other day, and he’s beyond frustrated how much of an under performing program UGA is (while hinting that a coaching change should happen). So for those of you who are scared that we couldn’t garner attraction in a coaching search, I think you’re probably mistaken.

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          • ASEF

            I would not believe a word Cowherd says. Everything is calibrated to audience. He’s Jim Rome without the callers and a more affable veneer.

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            • 3rdandGrantham

              No, I’ve heard actual guests on his show say that UGA is a best of the best job. Even guys I would never expect it from, like Bill Polian, etc.

              Besides, what does he have to gain from saying as such? Stating that UGA is a top job isn’t exactly sexy or a ratings driver.

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              • ASEF

                Colin’s a pot-stirrer, not that most radio personalities aren’t. For what it’s worth, he spent a lot of time in 2006/07 describing the Alabama job as a career-killing dead-end and had experts on his show to back him up. I could go on and on with his other erroneous observations.

                I just got tired of listening to Cowherd trying to channel Ayn Rand. He consistently confuses provocative for profound. Pretty standard media ego, in other words.

                Which is why I wouldn’t trust a thing he says.

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                • 3rdandGrantham

                  Ok, fine…Colin is a pot-stirrer so ignore everything he says. But again he doesn’t give a rip about us either way, and we’re not a ratings driver, so I personally give him some credence here, as again he has no real incentive for propping us up. But, more importantly, over the many years I’ve heard countless guests (players, coaches, GM’s, etc) state that UGA is a top job and/or a dream job.

                  Colin loves college football, so he’s constantly asking his guests their opinions of various programs, coaches, etc. As mentioned, for example, just a few days ago Champ Bailey was a guest (I posted about this also), and even he was beyond frustrated with the program.

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                • gastr1

                  Cowherd is an egomaniacal prick who spouts innuendo and rumor is if it were fact. Jeez. Who cares what any of those tools have to say.

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            • Will (The Other One)

              That, or given Colin’s history, it’s not actually something heard, but something he read online and he doesn’t want to credit a blog as the source.

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          • Tired old Dog

            Could it be part of the reason it is a such a dream job is that there isn’t big-time administration and athletic board pressure to win big? (at least compared to other similar (non Alabama) program.

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          • w.h. bedingfield

            Kyle Whittingham from Utah. He is now paid $2 million. I don’t think he would be a bad hire

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        • Napoleon BonerFart

          You’re obviously unfamiliar with the term, “The Georgia Way.”

          Please tell me what sure-fire, can’t-miss head coach will be willing to step into an SEC program where one “pot” means missing games, NCAA violations are treated as crimes against humanity, the administration may, or may not, give you the support you need, and your salary will be in the bottom half of the conference. I’m sure there are tons of names on your short list. I don’t need the entire list. Just a few will suffice.

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        • TheNelsonPuppet

          Good Lord, I would never want to go back to 1995 again! What a godawful season. Bobo broke his leg midway through the season and the only QBs we had were Brian Smith and Hines Ward, neither of whom were SEC-calibre starting quarterbacks, though Smith managed to beat Clemson and Ward threw for 400 yards in a losing effort against Virginia in the Peach Bowl.

          As for the 1960s and 1970s, there are plenty of YouTube videos of Georgia football out there…I highly recommend you watch the 1969 or 1973 Tennessee games to cure you of any nostalgia.

          I agree most UGA fans have a distorted view of the school’s football tradition. Georgia was only briefly a national power in 1941-42, and 1980-84.

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        • A10Penny

          I’m late to the thread party here, but 3rdandG is right. Exhibit A was hiring the reigning champ D coordinator for a lateral move. Exhibit B was hiring an NFL O-coordinator to take a step down. Certainly Richt deserves some credit, but CMR doesn’t get those guys if he’s coaching at Akron.

          I do think the list of guys who would be an improvement over Richt is small, but lets say the Eagles or Seahawks implode this year and either Kelly or Carroll decide to go back to college. Wouldn’t UGA have an advantage over all but a few other programs? Worst case scenario is that one of them ends up at USCe.

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          • Napoleon BonerFart

            Kelly and Carroll left college coaching under clouds of NCAA violations. If we hire either of those coaches, we will voluntarily give up 50 scholarships and self-implement a 25 year postseason ban. In other words, it ain’t happening.

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        • A lot of our opponents are totally different than they were 20, 40, 80 years ago, too. Take South Carolina, for example. We played SC annually when it was in the ACC and was hampered in recruiting by the ACC’s 2.0 rule. We had a huge advantage over SC in those days. SC recruits on the same footing as UGA now and it is a much tougher game. 40 years ago Auburn was a mediocre football program with a small stadium and budget. Auburn has had a much better program the past 30 years than it did when I was a student. Florida’s improvements over the past 40 years has been dramatic as both a population center and as a state university’s football team. I remember Tech in the late 1970’s was about broke playing as an independent. Its facilities stunk. The Tech Athletic Board seriously discussed dropping to Division 1AA. Tech is a much tougher opponent than it was as an independent. Ole Miss struggled with recruiting in a post segregation world while it clung to its antebellum image. It moved past those days and is now booming in football and in appeal to out of state students generally.

          We are not the only sunbelt state that has experienced rapid population growth. The rest of the SEC states have, too, and even the less wealthy SEC teams have huge stadiums and can pay coaches multi-million dollar salaries. The difference between the conference haves and the conference have nots has shrunk.

          We used to play 5 conference games a year. 40% of our conference schedule were bottom feeding Vandy and Kentucky. Add the pre Spurrier to the mix and 60% of our conference schedule was against teams that had not won a conference title, except UK under Bear Bryant in the 1940s.
          Now we play 8 conference games.
          We went what, 20 something years between LSU games? Now we play it more frequently. Richt has played LSU more times in the regular season than Dooley did in a quarter century. We played UT almost as rarely as we played LSU. I know UT is not what it used to be, but it is a tougher game than the non conference game we would have instead of UT in the past.

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      • CLT Dawg

        I get so tired of the underachievement/mediocrity meme with UGA football. Fact is, we’ve had 21 total 10 win seasons in school history – 123 odd years of playing football. Mark Richt has 10 of those. Mediocre indeed. We need to quit acting like we should be winning NC games like the Canes of the 80’s. Like the Senator said, if it’s so damn easy, why aren’t any of these loudmouthed bozos patrolling the sideline?

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        • Mayor

          Um…er……CLT….College football teams only played 8 or 9 games in a season until the 40s. After that it was 10 regular season games and only about half a dozen bowls until pretty deep into the 60s. They only started playing an 11 game regular season schedule in the NCAA in 1971 also expanding the number of bowls to accommodate more teams about that time, too. Then in 1992 or so the SEC started the SECCG. The first time UGA ever played more than 12 games (11 regular season and 1 bowl) was in 2002 when the team went 13-1 by playing in a “kick-off classic” game, the SECCG and a bowl. The HC for that was CMR. CMR wins 10 games because he plays a minimum of 13 games per season and 14 games some years. With the new playoff system 2 teams will play 15 games when they get past the first round. CMR has the most 10 win seasons because the team now plays more games in a season than it used to. Plus, the games added to the schedule are, for the most part, cupcakes that the Dawgs have no possibility of losing. I’m not one of those screaming for Mark Richt’s head after 1 loss (that’s crazy even if the loss was a bad loss) but let’s not phony up stuff here to try to make look him better than he really is. The reality is that Mark Richt has about the same overall winning percentage as Vince Dooley and (gasp) Jim Donnan if you throw out Donnan’s first year when he had to get the Goof out of the team .735 or so.

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          • Going from 5 conference games when we played a 10 game schedule to playing 8 conference games with a 12 game schedule does not allow for adding 2 additional cupcake games. We reduced the cupcake opportunity from 5 games to 4 games.

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  2. Harvey

    Bingo. That and the fact that he’s a saint. But mostly that.

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  3. ASEF

    Dean Smith, after he “finally won the big one” in 1982, famously said, “I don’t know I am any better a coach than I was 2 1/2 hours ago.” It’s a nice counter to the massive shift in perceptions that happens when someone wins the Big One, especially someone with the caption “Never Won the Big One” as Exhibit A on their resume.

    Your last two posts neatly illustrate the tension with Richt. One the one hand, he’s a loss to Florida OR Tennessee away from a fanbase that’s ready to revolt. On the other, his body of work speaks for itself.

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  4. Russ

    Like red meat to a tiger….

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  5. HVL Dawg

    Yep. Here’s you candidate list to replace Richt: Charlie Strong, Steve Spurrier, Bret Bielema, Butch Jones, Mike London and Bobby Petrino

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  6. 3rdandGrantham

    It depends how content you are as a fan/fan base/administration. If you’re happy continuing the safe route, in which we’ll go 10-3/9-4 yearly, with a few surprises here and there along with plenty of disappointments; then yea, we should stay the course until CMR retires, and basically accept our lot in life with no complaints.

    But if you view UGA as a program that should be among the very best given our vast inherent advantages, and thus we should strive for better, then perhaps we should take a long, hard look in the mirror, and make some tough decisions in effort to improve our standing. Might we fall flat on our face? Absolutely! But there’s an old saying: go out on a limb…that’s where all the fruit is. Schools like OSU, UF, and many others have made such tough decisions that have paid off beautifully for them; yet many look at Texas and Tennessee, then immediately go into a fetal position and say, no way…I’ll hold onto my security blanket (CMR), thank you very much.

    By the way, none of those 3 mil coaches with losing records are at programs that has even half of the absurd inherent advantages UGA has (which most schools would kill for). I mean, come on..Louisville? UVA? Give me a break.

    You know what UGA is as a program? We’re a very handsome, in-shape guy with a great career, a solid sense of humor, very smart, and basically a guy that most chicks would love to meet. Yet we’ve been dating the same girl for many years who is solid overall though not spectacular…above average looks, great sense of humor, average intelligence, et al, and we’re we’re basically at a stage where we’re content with her (not exactly having the time of our lives but not miserable either). But instead of taking a chance and cutting the bow lines with her, we muddle through because, after all, you’ve deemed her to be good enough, and lord knows there are some really weird women out there that you don’t want to potentially want to end up on a date with. That’s us, in a nutshell.

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    • At least you’re not the dude in sweat pants riding through Walmart. What program would that be? 🙂

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    • The staff changed over 9 months ago. For those inclined to pay attention to recruiting, UGA is finally recruiting on a level close to Alabama. Last year’s class paired with the one UGA will sign in FEB will be the best back-to-back class Richt has ever signed. Things are getting better…truly. But people are (rightfully) mad about last week and are lashing out. I get it. But this year was always going to be 9-3 with a shot at 10-2. UGA is very young at key spots and has a hole at QB. Beating a bad SoCar team got everyone all hot and bothered thinking UGA was different, but there are still too many holes to contend for a championship this year.

      I’d advise you to let the season play out (especially this week) before going full-on into wanting Richt gone. UGA is two wins (tough wins, yes) away form being 6-1 heading into the bye week, a record 95% of the fan base would have loved in July.

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      • PTC DAWG

        Well said. Things have changed for those willing to take a look.

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      • Tired old Dog

        Great points and I think most will agree. But what if we get top 5 talent and the lack of attention to the little things (special teams) keep us from winning the conference? That is my frustration shared by many others. In theory, we should be improving, but old habits have a way of never dying.

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      • Silver Creek Dawg

        This. I think most fans would have taken a split of the Alabama/Auburn games and win all the East games and been happy headed to Atlanta. That being said, Florida looks Jekyll and Hyde-ish; I honestly don’t know which team will show up any given week.

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      • Will (The Other One)

        Yep. But I think a lot of the fanbase saw Auburn’s two lucky seasons (2010, where Cam was 100% of the offensive success and 2013 where they got numerous lucky bounces) and thought “why can’t we go from 8 wins to undefeated?”

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    • Mike Hamilton

      I like the way you think. Buyouts come easy.

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    • 3&G, well thought out analysis. The one place I would differ with you is using tOSU and UF as your comparisons. When tOSU had to fire the Sweater Vest, it had been proven that he lied to the administration and to the NCAA. Even Gordon Gee said that he worked for Tressel. It was also easier for them due to the miraculous healing of Corch’s stress and headaches. When UF fired the Zooker, the only thing he did was beat us two times. Otherwise, he was very average, and he was only the 2nd head coach Jort Nation ever had since college football started in 1990. Boom was a disaster, and CMR has never come close to season like 2013 with a 4-8 record and a loss to an FCS school.

      So … my conclusion is that the only way CMR gets pushed out is to:
      1) Get the school in trouble with the NCAA, turn a blind eye to it, and lie about it (Tressel),
      2) Waste all of his capital with the university and big time donors (Zook – everyone seems to forget that was where CMR was in 2010 after the Game That Shall Not Be Named in Memphis), or
      3) Have a disastrous losing season where the bottom falls out of the program (Muschump)

      Sorry, but if he wins 9+ games per year and runs a clean program, I don’t see a scenario where Morehead (not McGarity) runs him off. This decision will not be made by ADGM. I know that pi$$es a bunch of you off, but that’s the reality of the Georgia football program.

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      • Oh, and by the way, CMR would be on the unemployment line for about a week when Miami, UNC, VA Tech, or Texas would be in contact with them about their vacant head coaching positions.

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        • Mayor

          Those guys might be in line to offer at the end of this season even if he’s not fired–UGA has no contractual buyout for CMR if he leaves.

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    • ASEF

      The recruiting with a 5 hour drive of Athens is spectacular. No question about that. But Georgia is surrounded by other programs with similar recruiting profiles: Florida, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Clemson, and Florida State.

      I don’t like your dating analogy for the simple reason that it badly undersells the risks of change and the scarcity of available upgrades. If you make it his job that he’s considering a switch, then I think we get closer to the meat of the matter. A guy with a reliable six-figure income sees his counterparts striking it rich with stock options and has to decide whether he wants to abandon ship and hope he lands on the Next Big Thing. He’s has to decide whether to abandon a good career in hopes of landing on a windfall. If he misses, he’s stuck with a bunch of worthless stock – and he can’t go back. Financially, he’s starting over.

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      • Napoleon BonerFart

        Exactly, or reverse the dating analogy. Moderately attractive girl has landed a man well above her station. He’s Mr. Almost Perfect. But, girl’s mother is clamoring that she should dump him because she can definitely find Mr. Completely Perfect. What billionaire with six pack abs and perfect hair wouldn’t pledge undying loyalty to Miss Not Bad?

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      • 3rdandGrantham

        Ironically enough, that’s somewhat what I did some 6 years ago. I was doing very well with a stable company, without a ton of stress. But, I wasn’t living where I wanted to live (Atlanta, instead of Virginia), the travel was a bit of a grind, and I just felt like I was going through the motions. I was content, but not exactly thrilled with my career, and after many bad dreams about being old and retired while wishing I would have done more with my career/life, I finally quit my job and started my own business from scratch.

        Best decision of my life, even though I went through several years of borderline hell while having to exhaust all my savings in the process. With that said, I probably view things from a different perspective than most.

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        • ASEF

          Would you have pulled the trigger knowing Butts-Mehre would ultimately be calling all the shots?

          Congratulations on betting on yourself. It’s a hard move to make.

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          • Napoleon BonerFart

            LOL! McGarity should get a side gig as a consultant.

            Losing customers? Missing deadlines? Have you considered improving your wifi?

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          • 3rdandGrantham

            Great, great question…but I’d submit that CMR has more pull, or authority, than you might think. He just doesn’t have the obsessive, attention to detail fanaticism that Saban and others have, hence the reason why it took new DC Pruitt to get us the IPF after CMR’s many years “trying.” That whole ordeal by itself told me quite a lot.

            Thanks for the congrats; appreciate it.

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        • 3rd, just to mention I did something similar myself 5 years ago. I may (or may not) have been richer if I’d kept the stock options at the old C suite job, but win, lose or draw, it’s all on me (and my growing staff) now and that’s how I like it. No longer do I look at me in the mirror every day and ask “how much longer am I gonna stick around this place”? Having way too much fun.

          As far as whether we as fans and UGA admin as UGA admin should continue to stick with our B+ (maybe A-) coach or roll the dice as you and I have done with our careers, I confess that as of this week I’m ambivalent. I want badly for CMR to succeed and I think his character reflects well on my alma mater. But I also ain’t getting any younger. Not that anyone in UGA admin gives a rat’s patootie what I want, but I couldn’t afford the ticket to the ’81 Sugar Bowl, and am increasingly conscious of my dwindling opportunities to watch my Dawgs play for the Biggest One. Sho would be nice to see CMR hoist that trophy, but so long as it’s an honorable coach with a black G on a red cap, I think I can live with it.

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    • PatinDC

      “But if you view UGA as a program that should be among the very best”

      I guess I don’t even understand how you define very best. We already have a coach who is in the top 5 of all active coaches in winning percentage. Are you advocating prying away Saban, Meyer or Miles to come here? Are you planning on digging Lombardi up? Or are you advocating “taking a chance”? Who exactly are you thinking of when you make these statements?

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      • Napoleon BonerFart

        Even the most unrealistic fans agree we’re not convincing Saban to come here, at half his salary, to coach “The Georgia Way.” What they believe is that McGarity couldn’t possibly screw up hiring the next Saban. Or, that if he does, we’ll just draw down the reserve fund by paying buyouts and trying it again. And again.

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    • Irwin R. Fletcher

      I keep hearing about these vast, inherent advantages like they are gold in untapped hills waiting to be mined. You know that’s not it, right? There aren’t idyllic countrysides just waiting for us to claim our natural birth right.

      Nope…we’ve already let others claim it. And that’s not on Richt…it’s on the keepers of the program for the past half a century. We’ve let other folks dig tunnels, put up fences and walls, and take that gold for about a half a century and not only line their cofers with it, but use it to build defenses, fortifications, and reputation. No field general is going to be able to take that back without the resources needed. Matching Alabama? We almost need to match and pass them to make up for the ground we’ve given.

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    • charlottedawg

      This times a million. My third wife is totally worth the alimony for the first two. You can’t be married to a woman half your again unless you’re willing to jettison mediocrity. Take notes kids.

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      • ASEF

        So when did you jettison your mediocre talent evaluation skills?

        Sorry but that’s the definition of low-hanging fruit 🙂

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        • charlottedawg

          Well played sir or madam.

          An the evaluation ability didn’t change, just the age of the talent. 😉

          In all seriousness I’m completely kidding.

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  7. Hunkering Hank

    Yep. His record speaks for itself. His teams typically lose to the best teams in the SEC – whoever those are in any given year – to my mind, Bama (recency effect I guess) and Florida come to mind most prominently during Richt’s years in Athens. I know he’s won against both some. But he has simultaneously failed to capitalize on the failings of other programs, like Florida, when they are down by seemingly annually losing to teams Georgia should beat (think SC, Missouri, crazy stupid losses to Vandy and Tech). He seems to typically have the upper hand with Tennessee and Auburn. Is that enough for you? That is the question. For me it is not. It is better than Goff (which I suffered through as an undergrad), it is better than Donnan, and other than one national title, it is usually better (or as good as) Dooley. His teams have certainly had their moments. But he cannot build a dynasty at Georgia. Can Georgia do better with somebody else? Sure. Can Georgia do worse with somebody else? Sure. A lot depends on the administration, I believe. But I have personally had enough of this version of Georgia and want to find out what the future can bring.

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    • Mayor

      Football is cyclical. I am very troubled that Georgia has not prospered while the FU and UT football programs have been in the crapper. Sooner or later they will return to normal and…….

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  8. Skeptic Dawg

    UGA is simply not an elite college football program. Richt has not been able to deliver that. What Richt has been able to do is raise the level of expectations by winning two SEC titles in his early years. He runs a clean program that produces solid talent and recruits very well. This is all that we will get under Richt. As fans we need to lower our expectations until he leaves. This has helped me greatly.

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    • dawgtired

      “UGA is simply not an elite college football program. Richt has not been able to deliver that.”

      …nor any other coach in the history of Georgia football…

      I guess we never should have had the high expectations at any point in our lives….or been born in Alabama…or Oklahoma…or Ohio…or Michigan…

      I’m really depressed now.

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      • Mayor

        You say UGA is not an elite program. Is LSU elite? Georgia has won more SEC Championships and has a higher all time winning percentage. Same for Auburn, FU, and every other team in the SEC except Bama and UT (UGA is tied with UT for second most SEC Championships,12, with Bama having the most). Nationally UGA has the 13th highest all time winning percentage and is 12th on the list of all time number of games won. Georgia lately wins lots of games–just not the right ones to win championships.

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  9. bpmackie

    By the logic “the best coaches have won national championships” I’m surprised more people in the Fire Richt camp aren’t clamoring for us to replace him with Gene Chizik from UNC.

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  10. DawgPhan

    I am just here for the tortured metaphors about georgia football.

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  11. Cousin Eddie

    Who would unify the fan base? Saban, Stoops, Patterson, Briles aren’t coming to UGA so rules those names out. If McGarity is stupid enough to ask Meyers he should be ran back to uf. And don’t give’ “That ain’t my job.” because if you can’t give solutions don’t give problems.

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    • Scorpio Jones, III

      Eddie I once sat in the stands at Grant Field and watched and listened as a gentleman in a red blazer stood and screamed “Dooley is a fool, he should be fired for calling that play, he’s a fool.”

      Won the game by the way.

      Satisfying all the fans ain’t even near possible.

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      • Cousin Eddie

        satisfying most fans either way is near impossible. Case in point Bobo. How many fans were against Bobo and how bad he was until he was gone, then it was the sky is falling. When Richt leaves here and decides to go to, lets say Miami, and wins big and whoever UGA has doesn’t it will be I wish we had Richt back, he was so close every year.

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  12. Scorpio Jones, III

    Boss I guess I understand the reasoning behind the question in your post, but logic has little to do with anything in the pro-Richt, anti-Richt argument.

    It is interesting to note Tennessee fired their most successful head football coach because the natives were restless for more…more of what has never been verified, but they wanted more of it. Oh, and by the way, Phil did have a national championship under his ah….extra-large? belt.

    There is almost as much logic to all this as picking hats. About which I don’t know shit.

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  13. D as in Dawg

    Actually, this sounds exactly like the excuse the previous post was searching for.

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  14. DawgPhan

    jokes aside. I feel like we got a new head coach this year.

    Decisions, changes, and just overall attitude seem like the whole program is headed in the same direction now. I dont feel like that was the case prior.

    If it doesnt work over the next 3 years then it probably isnt going to work, but this year feels like the start of something.

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    • Scorpio Jones, III

      Two years away?

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      • DawgPhan

        I just feel like some of the things that have been holding the program back have been addressed.

        But I also think that it will take a while to get the team up to their max given the new environment that they are in.

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        • Chadwick

          Me too. It’s year 1 in turning the battleship to fire broadsides at Bama. Seriously, all the changes were made to compete with Bama. That shit won’t happen overnight. Year 1.

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          • Mayor

            Agreed. That said, I would really like to have seen that game played on a dry field where the Dawgs would at least have had a chance to out-quick the red elephants. I think they actually might have played ’em close and maybe even pulled it out.

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        • How many times can you use the “couple years away” argument before you stop believing?

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    • D as in Dawg

      I want to agree, but I still feel like the guy who just got beat up so bad that I don’t want to leave my bedroom for a week. Nothing an actual convincing victory over UT wouldn’t cure. Of course, convincing isn’t our specialty, unless it’s getting beat.

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      • Ask the following coaches whether recent tangles with Georgia were convincing or not:
        Dabo Swinney
        Gary Pinkel
        Bret Bielema
        Gus Malzahn
        Bobby Petrino
        Steve Spurrier

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    • I beg to differ. It felt like the start of something. Until the No show/Give Up/Quit game happened. I think that was why last Saturday sucked as bad as it did. People see all the changes. They start to believe. Then the same old bugaboo shows up. Its not the loss–It was the way they lost. If it was the start of something new–they would have competed Saturday instead of giving up.

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      • DawgPhan

        losing is losing. some people like it close, some people like it decisive. They are all the same at the end of the day.

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        • Giving up is worse than losing.

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          • DawgPhan

            it’s a bottom line type of game. all wins are the same, all loses are the same. You got to keep stacking wins and avoid loses.

            how or why either come is pretty irrelevant to the outcome of the season.

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            • DawgPhan

              also that is some zen shit right there.

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            • Roterhals

              Then why do so many here talk about being five yards short of playing for the natl championship? A loss is a loss right?

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              • Mayor

                Count me as being one who thinks that the loss in the 2012 SECCG was actually worse than getting boat raced last Saturday. On the cusp of winning and then….(insert descriptive phrase of your choice)….

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          • Cousin Eddie

            because when I was 19 -23 I never quit when I got behind/defeated/whatever you want to call it, I shouldn’t expect it from the Guys at UGA.

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            • Rocket Dawg

              I honestly don’t get the “they quit” talk that keeps getting repeated as fact on here. If you were getting your ass kicked in the pouring rain then I seriously doubt your motivation meter would be pegged. I didn’t see anyone quit on Saturday.

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              • Yea, there was no quit and I don’t think there was an issue with us being prepared. We lost the turnover and special teams battle to a good team. You get whipped when when you do that against good teams.

                Leaving the game, everyone was laughing at him, but my buddy told anyone who would listen that he’d see them at the dome. Sure, he was still half drink but I’d like to see if we could make it a better game should both teams make it. That would be a hell of a coaching job. I’d just like to see how we do without all the uncharacteristic turnovers.

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                • Mayor

                  I agree. I didn’t see any quit and I watched the game on video extensively, rewinding a lot and replaying every critical play. No quit in the game I saw.

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    • Russ

      This is sort of where I am as well. I feel like in the past it’s been a combination of coaching and administration. With the Imperial Ruler no longer in Athens, the administration seems to be fully supporting Richt and company. And I think (jury is still out on Schotty for me) we have one of the best staffs we’ve had since Richt got here. And recruiting seems to be filling in. So for me, yes, I think Richt has about 3 years counting this one before his time runs out.

      If you change, the question becomes do you blow it all up, or try to find a better “Richt” that keeps a similar philosophy with better execution. When a school is a dumpster fire, that’s easy. We’re in no way a dumpster fire and there are lots of good things about this program. So, for me, that’s an even bigger question. Unless we’re just going to break the bank, and that ain’t happening.

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  15. Bright Idea

    It is those with a gambling nature that want to change and those who never go out on a limb who don’t. Hell I was afraid when Dooley, Goff and Donnan had to be replaced. Richt should not be retained because of his record nor fired for failure to win the big one. It is about winning big but until the entire UGA philosophy changed the overall condition of the program must be considered.

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    • You were afraid when Goff had to be replaced?

      Bullshit.

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      • +1 – Goff got probably 2 more years than he deserved

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        • Biggus Rickus

          I wanted him fired as soon as Tanneyhill did that QB sneak in ’93. The fact that it took until ’95 is still mystifying. And it could have gone longer if Edwards and Bobo hadn’t both gotten injured, especially Edwards.

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          • Yep, good comments all. Everybody today talks about underachieving. Look at ’93-’94 with Eric Zeier. Yes, we lost Hearst & Hastings, but to have two terrible records with the most prolific passer in SEC history to that time was inexplicable. “One Play Away” Ray … DGD as a player, absolute disaster as head football coach.

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            • Russ

              Thank you for that last sentence. Ray Goff was a DGD as a player. He failed as a coach. I prefer to remember him leading us in 75-76 (well, along with Matt Robinson).

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            • TheNelsonPuppet

              The “fire Richt” constituency must be made up of recent UGA fans or old Dawg fans with faulty memories, because anyone who lived through the Goff and Donnan eras would be grateful for Mark Richt. So many nightmarish losses in the 1990s.

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      • TheNelsonPuppet

        Who wants a retread head coach? Both Vince Dooley and CMR were assistants before coming to UGA. In my opinion, UGA has historically erred by hiring from within the departing coach’s staff (Griffith, Goff) or attempting to hire/hiring a head coach from another program (Dick Sheridan, Glen Mason, Jim Donnan).

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        • Mayor

          So what’s left? Hiring a career assistant and giving him his first chance to be a HC? Ask FU how well that worked out with Boom? Or UT with SOD? When Meyer went to tOSU was he “retread” head cpach? That seems to have worked out pretty well for the Bucks. You shouldn’t make sweeping statements.

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      • mikebozo

        Shit I was afraid that they weren’t going to replace him

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  16. BowlDawg

    The main reason Richt isn’t going anywhere for at least the next 3 years has 2 parts…

    #1 Who he is as a person – look at the reports and blogs over the last few seasons that have pushed the headlines nationally over how CMR the “warrior saint”, a football coach that coaches character as much as the game, stricter team policies, assists in providing a future after football (ex. TPON)….More kids around the nation are wanting to play for him, and more importantly their parents WANT their kids to play for him…

    #2 DC Pruitt – Grantham knew what a defense needed to accomplish, he knew who were good athletes…but he obviously overlooked character of players as being important, and couldn’t teach in a way it was understandable. Coach Pruitt on the other hand, is a straight shooter, he doesn’t put up with hot shots, doesn’t play the hierarchy game. If you are the best player…you play. And he instructs in a way the players understand, they look better on the field, and have better odds at being drafted…

    Combine these two aspects and you see recruiting classes on the path to spike. I’m talking, with this years projections…UGA is going to end up with a top-3 class…if not #1. That is why Alabama has the success it has. Coaches are good…but name 1 coach that doesn’t understand the game……other than Paul Johnson……a mediocre coach can win with top-talent. is CMR just mediocre? I say No. Is he the greatest? Again…No. But with recruiting classes ranking 8 – 15…. 9, 10, & 12 win seasons are pretty much meeting expectations. Alabama has how many #1 classes since 2008?…And they’ve won how many SEC championships…and how many National championships? EXACTLY!

    I would say UGA and CMR are right on par with the talent they are bringing in, and the stock is rising. Are games like last week going to happen from time to time…yes. But I believe we are on the horizon of them happening a lot less…I’m a diehard! I’m all-in! These Dawgs are about to have their day!!!

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    • Will (The Other One)

      While I agree, that was the one thing about the offense that was doubly frustrating last weekend. If you can’t match talent with Bama, you need to use scheme to your advantage, and for whatever reason — the weather, still learning on the job — there wasn’t a lot of it from Schotty. Instead we got more passes to a walk-on fullback than our TEs.

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  17. Argondawg

    The question is always the same. Who are you gonna hire that is better? Who are you going to get to leave their current coaching job to come to a school that fires a coach with a 136-48 record?
    You trade a guy who consistently wins. Is universally respected and is an outstanding man and coach for the possibility that the next guy could maybe do better? F#^k that. You think Sabans grow on trees? I am almost 50 and have no desire spending the next 10 years chasing some damn rainbow farting unicorn coach that exists only in some delusional fan’s mind.

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  18. AceDawg

    UGA is in a new chapter right now with Pruitt in year 2 and Schotty in year 1. The Bama loss was bad, but I’m giving this squad a chance to recover and make the SEC Championship, perhaps with a rematch against Bama. If the season really did fall apart and leave UGA with 4 or 5 losses, than sure, I’d lose my faith again. If the field is dry at Tennessee, however, I think the UGA passing game can get going a bit again. It shouldn’t have been that Bama outplayed UGA so badly, but the rain did cause things to become a bit unique. Lambert twice fumbled untouched while trying to throw the ball. I’m happy to at least hear the coaches admit that they should have tried running downhill more. LSU doesn’t change it’s game plan when it plays a tough front seven, and neither should UGA have. We threw the ball way too much during the early drives when we should have been challenging Bama more with our running game and keeping our passing liabilities secret for a bit longer.

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    • Mayor

      THrowing on first down is a blessing and a curse at the same time. A blessing if you complete the pass–a curse if you don’t. We tried to throw on first down against Bama and didn’t complete the passes. A recipe for disaster against a really good opponent.

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  19. UGA85

    The unifying influence in our fan base, I hope, is the desire to win championships. Not being nice, not looking good in incidental games, and not playing in bad bowl games. Winning championships. The divisive influence is that some of us still feel that CMR can win a championship after our recent drought and blowout loss, while others of us have given up on CMR. Goal should be the same for both groups.

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    • Irwin R. Fletcher

      I notice you didn’t mention anything about the players. I assume they should all just be happy to wear the G and play for our amusement, right?

      I, for one, think who you win the championships with is paramount to whether you win them at all.

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      • UGA85

        I was using the phrase “unify the fan base” mentioned in the GTP heading.

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        • Irwin R. Fletcher

          I get it…my point is if ‘unifying the fan base’ means winning championships with no regard to how you’re winning them…especially in light of the fact that the people actually, you know, doing the playing, are 18-23 old young men…then I want no part of that fan base.

          In other words, if the only desire you have from the program is to ‘win championships’, I suggest you start pulling for Auburn. You’ll be happier there.

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          • UGA85

            Please tell me again why you get to give me advice. You judge me for wanting UGA to win championships? Is this how you respond to people who happen to disagree with you? Your “suggestion” was not asked for or invited. Your deeply personal critiques and judgments hold no water and don’t add anything rational to this blog.

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      • You really are full of yourself aren’t you. Someone doesn’t share your outlook so of course they should become an auburn fan. My great grandfather was in UGA vet school when yours was probably sharecropping so I’ll pass.

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  20. John Denver is full of shit...

    No.

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  21. Rebar

    Anyone who thought we had a chance to get in the playoffs this year is delusional. I figured at 10-2 season at best. The middle of our offense (center & QB) were relatively untried. We have started more true freshman than any other team in the nation, I think. We have a great recruiting class coming in February of 2016, second great class in a row. We need to have 3 to 4 top recruiting classes in a row to build the depth and strength we need to compete at the top level of the SEC. People calling for Richt to be fired are, in my mind, idiots. If by the end of his current contract he hasn’t put us in position to get in the playoffs, OK, talk about firing him then. By the way, we are 4-1 going into the heart of divisional play. How about we let the season play out and watch some of these puppies turn into dawgs.

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  22. Hogbody Spradlin

    Let’s dig up Vince Lombardi. He was only 57 when he died. With modern medicine he ought to have 10 good years left. Or, we could just prop him up stiff, like El Cid.

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  23. red

    Last three hires we had to take our third choice, must not be so sought after,

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  24. I am so tired of people (fans?) calling Richt supporters all kinds of names.
    Riicht has a contract thuu 2019 with a very healthy buy out clause.
    Bobo has a contract thru 2019 also. The Fla. Coach used Bobo’s current
    plan to make it back to the SEC. So will Bpbo.
    If Richt wins ten games you have 10 coaches that wish they had done as well.
    The Coaches at Tenn., Awbarn, & maybe USCe & ARK. are on the hot seat.
    mAybe we could get 1 of them. Meanwhile QB Eason says he is only coming
    yo Athens If Richt is still there. He Is bringing a number of 4 & 5 Star Player with him. Also supposedly he was better as a Jr. than Stafford was as a Senior.
    The HC is more of a PR person & CEO than an X & O Man. But the Buck
    does syop wuth him regatding the Coaching Staff he puts tobether.
    As Dooley said: “Richt will pass my record for total number of Wins And
    also for winning percentage, He Is the best Hc the Dawgs have had in my
    Lifetime And I go back to Wally Butts & QB Jonny Rauch..
    Learn to live with It , Quit Bitching, & Know nothing is starting to change..

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  25. Yeah, I get frustrated but I’m not willing to can him for the next coach who is more likely to be the next Ray Goff, God bless him, than the next NC winning coach. But, more importantly, I appreciate him most for who he is and what he’s done for the program.

    Honestly, though- most of the can him crowd that I know wasn’t really following the program before Richt. They came around because of what he’s done. If this makes me accepting of medicine, so be it. The truth is that I remember where the program has been and I simply don’t base my happiness with him on championships. Also, as long as he has great high school kids wanting to play for him then that’s good enough for me. When he starts losing players and losing a lot of games is when he loses me.

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    • Debby Balcer

      Agreed. We saw it happen in the stands around us. Before Richt took us to the heights we are in now fans did not boo around us. They did not yell obscenities at the team when a play busted. Fans now feel entitled to not only a win but a blow out win anything else is unacceptable.

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  26. I love the ‘who ya gonna get’ argument. Thousands and thousands of football coaches out there but we got the only guy capable of winning 10 games already employed. LMFAO!

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  27. DawgPhan

    I guess I’ll bite on the money talk.

    I dont think that there is much buyout on CMR, but what about the other guys? Figure a 3-4 million on dumping those contracts? And then what 5 year 25-30 million to get a guy in here? So basically IPF money to dump CMR and get someone else? And UGA ADs have fought tooth and nail to not spend the money in the IPF for decades. And they are still looking to raise 1/2 the money from donors? Could we expect the same? Are there enough big time donors who want CMR canned enough to drop a fat check on the IPF and then turn around and drop an as big or bigger check to fire CMR? Seems like a big ask.

    Then consider that the fine folks at BM have been better at getting caught with their hand in someone else’s panties than they have been at hiring championship coaches and I dont see why anyone would think that hiring a winner is even close to a coin flip. Chances are they screw up the hire. at least 60/40 on them mucking up the whole process.

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    • Chadwick

      This times 1,000,000. I remember the total fuckfest that was the Dick Sheridan debacle. I remember the disbelief of even considering Glenn Mason. I remember how testy Donnan was with everyone. Hiring Richt looks like a fucking miracle next to the dumpster-fire hires that proceeded him. Shit, I’m thinking that’s a 60/40 split that the hire after Richt would be a mess.

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  28. TennesseeDawg

    So basically we are stuck with the homely, yet very nice and friendly girl, because we are terrified to take a chance with the super hot cheerleader

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