A fine mess: about Richt

Coach Mark Richt opened his teleconference call Sunday by saying he didn’t know who would be the quarterback for this week’s game against Kentucky.

“We’re not ready to get to the quarterbacks yet, but we will discuss all possibilities,” he said.

“We’re not ready” isn’t as butch a theme as “Finish the drill”, but what it lacks in testosterone it makes up for in accuracy.

Those of you who thought starting Faton Bauta was a sign of desperation on Richt’s part couldn’t have been more wrong.  Alarmingly, it was a sign of something even more disconcerting.

Cluelessness.

I’ve heard my share of rumors about how Richt has managed the program of late.  I don’t know enough to say whether the story of a somewhat detached CEO approach is true.  What I can say is that it really doesn’t matter if the program has slid because Richt isn’t involved enough in the day-to-day details or because he is.  The real problem is the stunning number of details that are being ignored on a weekly basis.

“Stunning” is the right word here.  Georgia is doing things we haven’t seen in a while.  It’s lost three of its last four conference games, and it’s not a stretch to think that, but for a Kenneth Towns touchdown saving tackle, it could easily have been a clean sweep.  This past Saturday, the Dawgs were held to three points for the first time ever under Richt.  Those aren’t indications of a well run football team.

You know what else isn’t an indication of a well run team?  Setting players up to fail.  I’ve already had my say about the ill-advised manner in which Bauta was prepped and the game plan that didn’t do him any favors, as well as letting a kid like Reggie Davis continue to do what he’s already shown he’s not capable of handling.  Who sits back and lets shit like that happen without thinking about the consequences?  Or, just as sadly, supports decisions like that?

There is a certain amount of irony here in how we’ve all been a little guilty of not seeing the forest for the trees. I know I have. Georgia is a serious mess this week, not because Richt isn’t fiery, or because his players aren’t good at handling adversity or because of undersigning.  Georgia’s a mess because it’s a rudderless ship.  It’s losing and its head coach has no idea right now how to regain direction.  If you aren’t convinced that’s the case, read this sad story in the AB-H.

One thing I’ve always said about Georgia head football coaches – recent history indicates the ones that lose their jobs are the ones that don’t have good coordinators.  That’s a lesson I thought Richt had absorbed.  Now, I’m not so sure.  I’ve already explained that I’m not enamored with much of what Schottenheimer’s done this year.  Here’s what his boss had to say in response to an obvious question:

Richt won’t be stepping in to take some of Brian Schottenheimer’s play-calling duties.

“I’m in there just about every meeting,” Richt said. “We do a lot of talking in terms of personal in terms. We do a lot talking in terms of downs and distances and situations and things of that nature.”

Whatever you two talk about isn’t clicking.  Schottenheimer is in the process of going down as Richt’s worst coordinator hire, which is a helluva statement on my part, because I still think of Willie Martinez as the gold standard in that department.  Richt stuck with Martinez too long, but at least I could understand why.  There’s no personal bond between Richt and Schottenheimer; if Richt hasn’t seen enough yet to be convinced some serious change is badly needed, I don’t know what it’s going to take for him to get to that point.

I don’t think Richt is losing his job this year.  There’s too much money at stake and it’s shaping up as a bad time to go out and sign a new head coach.  (Okay, not from Jimmy Sexton’s point of view.)  But there shouldn’t be anything stopping Greg McGarity from asking Richt to explain and justify exactly what’s happened and where things go from here.  If nothing else, maybe that’ll force Richt to pay more attention to the myriad of issues he’s let slide.  Something’s got to change, that’s for sure.

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  1. JT (the other one)

    Well said. I think Richt may be out (had to win the east) but who knows what happens…when those who want to keep him in place for other reasons get involved…

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    • Bobby Bowden Syndrome

      This says it best…..”In one season, Jim McElwain has replaced Mark Richt as Big Dog of SEC East…(and UT is coming)

      http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-gators/os-gators-georgia-mike-bianchi-1101-20151031-column.html

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      • No Country 4 Old Dawgs

        I’ll take an SEC East devoid of Phillip Fulmer and Steve Spurrier any day of the week. You’re not raising the pot any with McElwain or Booch. Sorry, neither scare me. Florida’s play in the second half of that Cocktail party was disgusting to say the least. They came a lot closer to handing that game back to Georgia than most people realize.

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        • Aunt Edna

          UF should definitely scare you, or at least make you nervous. FSU has fallen a bit and Miami is non-existent, making the state of FL a little easier to recruit than it has previously been. McElwain appears to be a very level-headed guy who has done well with an offense that was terrible last year. Its not hard to recruit at UF after the success they had under Urban. If he puts together a good showing in the SEC Championship game they could become a force again.

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          • Will (the other one)

            I agree that McElwain is unlikely to get them back to that Urban-level peak, but they’re going to be a tougher out than the Zook/Muschamp teams (and Richt’s combined record there – 4-3 – doesn’t inspire confidence either.)

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          • MGW

            They’ll probably lose to FSU, but could win. I don’t know much about FSU.

            But they’re going to get KILLED in the SEC championship if its Alabama.

            Part of what made Saturday so bad was how bad UF was. They looked terrible. They would could have lost to SC, Vandy or Kentucky playing like that.

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            • Mayor

              (1) What makes you think the West Champ is going to be Bama? Bama already has a conference loss and hasn’t played LSU. The West champ looks more like LSU to me and FU played LSU pretty damn even. If LSU is the West champ FU is 50/50 to beat ’em IMHO. (2) Even if the West champ is Bama, FU won’t get killed. They play good on D.

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              • MGW

                (1) I didn’t say I think Bama will win, but I think they match up much better against UF than LSU did. LSU is one dimensional, Bama is not. (2) Even if it is LSU, UF is going to get beat badly if they play like they did Saturday.

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        • Bobby Bowden Syndrome

          kool-aid IV drip going in both arms…nice

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  2. Dolly Llama

    The money involved and the number of top-shelf coaching vacancies this year may be the only thing saving Richt at this point.

    And some other commenter here said it well: If Richt goes to McGarity and says we need to fire Schottenheimer, and that means paying him millions to go away, McGarity is going to be super-atomic pissed. As anyone in his position would be.

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    • McGarity may be pi$$ed from a financial standpoint as the bean-counting AD if CMR decides to part ways with CBS, and Richt may report on an organizational chart to him. But the only person who will make this decision has an office on North Campus and probably cares very little for what McGarity thinks. He has a university to lead and donors to keep happy.

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    • I would hope we were smart enough to include one of those clauses in Schotty’s contract to where we would only have to pay the difference between what we signed him for, and any future job he would get in that timeframe. Because his daddy will make sure he gets another job somewhere in the NFL, albeit likely not a coordinator spot. But hopefully what we owe him would be offset by what he makes at the next job, which wouldn’t make firing him too big of a financial hit.

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      • W Cobb Dawg

        “…his daddy will make sure he gets another job somewhere in the NFL.”

        How true. SOD is a great example of the coaching merry-go-round. There’s always another job waiting for these guys. Chan Gailey, Wade Phillips, the Ryans, etc., practically live out of their suitcases.

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        • OdontoDawg

          I admit this is venturing off topic, but Wade Phillips has done an outstanding job with the Denver defense this year. I would place him on another level than Gailey and the Ryans.

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        • This is just my guts. I have the feeling the reason Richt seemingly have not interfered with BS is due to Dad. “Let my son prove his worth”. Richt likely said, “The Crayola is yours BS, no problem”. Just a guess.

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        • The Nelson Puppet

          Has nepotism always been like this in the coaching profession? The Ryans. Skip Holtz. SOD. Steve Spurrier Jr., and Scott Spurrier. Wade Phillips. Terry, Tommy, and Jeff Bowden. Lane Kiffin. And the common theme is that the drop off in competency from father to son looks a lot like the drop off in competency from Sheriff Buford T. Justice to his son Junior.

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    • Irwin R. Fletcher

      The money involved and the number of top-shelf coaching vacancies this year may be the only thing saving Richt at this point.

      I don’t think I completely agree with this. It’s a loaded recruiting class including a program-changing QB. Those don’t grow on trees. Those guys are coming in as EEs, which will make this pretty interesting.

      I think the bottom line here is that this is a team that still has a reasonable shot to end up some where between 10-3 and 8-5….let’s say they finish 3-1. That’s 8-4 with a bowl game to go.

      Is it good enough? No. Is it bad enough to get rid of Richt with a recruiting class coming in that by all accounts would be the most talent UGA has pulled in over a decade? I’m not sure. The only thing I’m pretty sure of at this point is that he can’t survive a loss to Kentucky or GSU or Tech. It would not be the right time to lose your first game on the Flats….to many ‘bad firsts’.

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      • You can absolutely fire a coach after 8-4, and recruiting class rankings never had been and never will be a reason to keep a coach.

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        • Chuck

          Consider for a minute the past recruiting classes. But we’ve been bringing in great recruiting classes full of 4 and 5 stars many of whom go on to be good to great in the league. But they don’t do anything for us here.

          I’ve been a Richt supporter, but talking about recruiting classes is damning — he hasn’t done anything with them. The Old Ball Coach’s gig of Goff applies today. I think I want to roll the dice and see how much of the recruiting class we can hold together and see if we can get someone who can make something of them.

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          • Bazooka Joe

            Well lets take a look at the recruiting classes…. we have been top 10 for what seems like forever. However when we compare all the SEC teams, we are 3-4 at best, And that’s where we usually end up as far as overall rankings in the SEC.
            I am not saying anything other than lets look at it (recruiting) in perspective of our direct competition.

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            • Irwin R. Fletcher

              At the end of the day…someone’s going to have to play football for Richt or the next coach. This is one of the first year’s in memory that UGA has a chance to have the top class in the SEC.

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        • Irwin R. Fletcher

          You can absolutely fire a coach after 8-4, – Agree.
          Recruiting class rankings never had been and never will be a reason to keep a coach.–Disagree.

          They have been…and I’m not sure they should ‘never’ be a reason. Players are more important than coaches. Best coach in the world isn’t winning without talent. Period. IMO…we need to face up to the fact that there seems to be a real lack of talent in Athens. The best players are underclassmen. That’s not a deflection of fault…it’s squarely on Richt….but it is a question of whether you are better handicapping your next coach with a loaded set of sophomores or a talent gap that has to be refilled over 2-3 years. You’ll know by EE time whether the class is going to be loaded…if I’m calling the shots…so long as Richt doesn’t completely tank against KY, Ga Southern, and Tech, I see who the EE’s are…if they’ve lined up the best class in the history of UGA football (which this very well could be)…I give them another year with the caveat that there is either a 2011-12 type turnaround or you’re out.

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          • OdontoDawg

            I get your point here at the end, but what does a turnaround for next year look like? We will be losing half of our offensive line rotation, our best WR by a mile, and we may or may not have a healthy Chubb. If Eason is the presumptive starter, how can Richt possibly turn things around next year? I’m not angling to give him more time to prove anything, but it seems next year could look worse on the field offensively (is that even possible)?

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          • lakedawg

            Irwin you are dead on 100% correct. The last 1.5 classes plus this one and 2016 good start could finally ensure we are on a level player wise with Bammer and Lou. If we are not winning big in 17 and 18 then something has to change. You just do not beat teams that have better players than you have.

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            • Irwin R. Fletcher

              Yeah…I think you can make a call in 2016 if you need to…but I just would like to see us lock down this upcoming class.

              2013 is a pretty good view into why there is no depth on this team…Tray Matthews, Brice Ramsey, Tramel Terry, Shaq Wiggins, Tim Kimbrough, Kublanow, Langley, Floyd, Toby Johnson, Wilkerson, Turman, Johny O’Neal, Carter, Rumph, Bellamy, Atkins, Reggie Davis, Rankin, Fluker, LeMay, J. Davis, Cardelio, Bynum, DeAndre Johnson, Shaun McGee, JJ Green, Bostick, Mayes, Mauger, Daniels-Johnson, Douglas, Glen Welch.

              32 guys…
              2 JUCOs…so down to 30 that would be able to play this year.
              9 transfers. NINE!
              1 ended due to injury
              so that’s 33% of the class gone
              5 to 6 starters on Defense (Kimbrough, Floyd, Atkins, Mayes, Mauger, Bellamy)
              2 starters on Offense..Kublanow and Reggie Davis
              1 starter on special teams…the highest rated punter we’ve ever signed

              So you sign 32 guys and end up with 4 players on the two-deep on offense (Davis, Kublanow, Douglas, and Bynum)? It’s not a pass for Schotty…but the talent isn’t there. If we don’t get talent in the 2016 class, it gets ugly quickly IMO.

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            • And you think MR and BS could beat Bama or LSU at this point even with similar talent. You’re not even saying wait till next year but for the one after that??

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        • Jim Donnan

          “You can absolutely fire a coach after 8-4, and recruiting class rankings never had been and never will be a reason to keep a coach.”

          Truth.

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        • Will (the other one)

          Richt has the job because 8-4 (and looking up at Florida and UT in the east) wasn’t good enough.
          So yeah, I think anything less than 4-0 could have Richt’s seat’s temperature best measured by Kelvin scales. (Particularly if we assume the “he was going to be fired if the Dawgs lost the Belk Bowl” talk was legit in any way.)

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      • Number of “program-changing” 5* QBs Richt has brought in since 2005: 2 (Stafford, Murray)

        Number of SEC East championships during their 7 combined years of playing: 2

        Number of SEC Championships during those 7 years: 0

        Jacob Eason may be great, but we’ve been down this road before with QBs. Let’s not anoint him the next Herschel yet.

        And none of this takes into account that AJ Green and Todd Gurley were program changing players. We had Gurley and Murray on a team together, and didn’t win the SEC that year.

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        • Irwin R. Fletcher

          Just so I get this straight…no credit for signing Greene or Shockley? Got it.

          If it was just Eason, I could lean more your direction. But it’s not. It’s a boat load of talent that want to play here. D and O Line…QB…skill positions. And my point is not that Richt will win with them…my point is that the program is better off with those guys in Red and Black regardless of who is coaching them in 2017.

          If anyone on here honestly thinks we fire Richt this off-season and will be competing for SEC titles in 2016, I would like to point you to my eBay auction of snake-oil. I’m sure I’ll get flamed on this…but I think our best chance at an SEC Championship in 2016 is probably Richt coaching…(even if it is slim to none in many minds)…I also think our best chance at a 2017 SEC Championship is Richt coaching in 2016 with a open ? for 2017.

          [BTW-I think there is a real worry in some people’s minds that if we let Richt sign these guys, he might win enough to keep his job.]

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          • stick jackson

            No credit for Greene — he started Richt’s first year as a RS FR, having signed with Donnan the year before, I believe.

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          • Will (the other one)

            The horrific gap in your list: offensive linemen.
            Sadly, while Sale looks like a far better recruiter than Friend, Searles or anyone else Richt had at the position, his coaching results are…not great so far.

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          • I don’t know what your point is. When you say “my point is that the program is better off with those guys in Red and Black regardless of who is coaching them in 2017” you seem to be saying that it doesn’t matter if Richt is here or not but to win in the future we need Richt here to get these guys so keep Richt?

            Whatever your point, I have a simple one – great recruiting does not guarantee anything, especially under Richt. Eason is a talent, and is a 5 star stud, for sure. But there’s no guarantee that he’s going to be great. Especially with Brian Schottenheimer as his coach.

            Going back to 2002, I went through the 5 star recruits we’ve gotten and determined if they were a bust, average, or a stud.

            2002: Mudcat Elmore – Dud
            2003: Kregg Lumpkin – Average rb
            2003: Paul Oliver – Stud CB by his junior year.
            2004: Brandon Miller: Dud
            2005: no 5 stars
            2006: Matt Stafford – Stud by his junior year
            2006: Reshad Jones – Average while at UGA. Still playing in league.
            2007: no 5 stars
            2008: Aj Green – STUD. Btw rivals had him as a 4 star back in 2008 and must have changed it.
            2008: Richard Samuel – Dud
            2009: Branden Smith – Dud
            2010: None
            2011: Crowell – Let’s call him average because of shortened career.
            2011: Ray Drew – Average. A disapointng average.
            2012: JHC – Dud. Auburn play, transfer. Sucks at L-ville.
            2012: John Theus – I’ll call him a stud, though it seems like a stretch.
            2013: None
            2014: Sony Michel – Stud

            By my count that’s 14 5 stars.

            Duds: 5 (Elmore, Miller, Richard Sam, Branden Smith, and JHC)
            Average: 4 (Lump, Jones, Crowell, Drew)
            Studs: 5 (Oliver, Staff, AJ, Theus, Michel)

            Richt has signed lots of great classes. In the 4 years preceding our 2010 season, he signed the #6 (2009), #7 (2008), #9(2007), and #4 (2006) classes in the nation. The 2010 season was so pathetic it hurts.

            Our 2014 class was ranked 7, our 2015 class 6th, and 2016 is currently ranked 10th. Nothing that’s happening in our recruiting is going to be on par with Bama or OSU. We’ll sign solid classes, never the best in the SEC, and maybe compete for an East championship. The data isn’t there to suggest there’s some sea change coming.

            My point, again, is simply that having great recruits does not guarantee success. Especially under Richt.

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      • Just think of what the next coach will be able to do with this class!

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  3. Dolly Llama

    If Richt goes — and if we lose out, I think that’ll happen, buyout be damned — make Pruitt the HC.

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    • AO

      Why does Pruitt get the job?

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    • Raleigh St. Claire

      What has Pruitt done to even suggest he should be considered for a lower level job, much less the UGA job?

      Let’s be realistic here. Going out and hiring a guy like Justin Fuentes or Tom Herman, both of whom are having success as head men at touch locations, makes much more sense than elevating a 3rd year coordinator.

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    • PTC DAWG

      Losing out doesn’t seem anywhere near possible to me…

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      • Dolly Llama

        It sure does to me.

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      • I wish I shared your optimism. I don’t see anyone ont the schedule that we can beat by scoring 6, 9, or 12. I think they need to pay Schottenheimer to go away. Today. One article I read mentioned how McElwain has tailored his scheme to suit the players he has. Schotteneimer, with Richt’s support, has done the opposite–trying to shoehorn the talent into his scheme. It is obvious on many levels which plan has been more successful.

        Even though they all talked about “not re-inventing the wheel” on Offense when Schottenheimer was hired–the offense this year is a huge change in direction from last year. It is amazing how poorly they have performed. Even with Willie Martinez there was a residual positive effect from the previous DC for a year or two. We haven’t even seen that this year. That is a testament to how terrible the new offense has been…and plenty of reason enough to change.

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        • PTC DAWG

          We’ll readdress this after the next 4…losing out is not in the cards.

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        • rpcpisme

          I dont see anyone else on the schedule that can defend like Bama, Mizzou, or Florida can either.

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        • Americus Dawg

          I agree with Lamont …

          It appears to me that Schottenheimer thinks the quarterbacks and tailbacks are all interchangeable. He takes a flyer on the more-mobile Bauta and then he only runs it 2-3 times the entire game? Puzzling to say the least.

          Michel, Marshall and Douglas are not the same style of runners … and they don’t fare as well running up the middle as Gurley or Chubb. Case in point: Running Sony up the middle after we were pinned around our own 3 yard line. I’ll concede that our offensive line did not perform all worldly on Saturday. The point I’m trying to make is that BS doesn’t seem to be playing to his individual player’s strengths. While I understand that you wouldn’t completely abandon running between the tackles, the 3rd & 1 play with only Douglas in the backfield was a disaster waiting to happen.

          I also agree with the Senator … Georgia looks to be a hot mess and the head coach has no idea how to regain direction. I have been a Richt apologist for years, but this season has turned me towards being apathetic. I have no clue to what’s the answer to our team’s problems.

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      • Will (the other one)

        I agree, but 1-3 or 2-2 feel disturbingly possible. Kentucky’s defense is terrible. Like, nearly South Carolina-level terrible. As horrible as the offense under Schotty has been, we know Lambert can tear up a terrible defense.
        GaSou and Auburn aren’t exactly great either, but Auburn does have speed rushers to ruin our OL’s day, and their backup QB they went with earlier in the season has improved a lot. Southern’s easily the best O left, and if we tackle like the UT game, we’re in trouble.
        Tech is probably losing one more before us, and will have 6, 7, or 8 losses, but was able to knock off an FSU team that’s better than we are at home.

        But yeah, if the Dawgs come out flat and lose to Kentucky? We better hope a search committee is looking for a new coach. They are not good and “multiple home losses to Kentucky” is not a great item on a UGA coach’s resume. At least not in football.

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    • DawgPhan

      Pruitt’s side of the ball hasnt been great either. Not sure why we would let someone with no head coaching experience take over.

      But I dont think that CMR is done this season. The next 4 games are somewhat winnable and a win at win in a bowl game could still get the team to 10 wins.

      This offense is beyond bad though and to think we are going to win games with this team is just a pipe dream right now.

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      • Tired old Dog

        I am not begging for Pruitt either, but the Georgia way is to hire an unproven assistant, (Donnan excepted).
        I don’t like the argument that we don’t make a change this year because of outside forces. The decision to make a change should be on what the team and coach has done – not on the market for top flight coaches. BM wouldn’t hire the hottest mid-major coach anyway.

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      • FisheriesDawg

        I think the defense has been fine. Where you’ve seen them struggle is when the O keeps putting them right back on the field and/or on a short field. I’d go as far as to say if we had a remotely competent offense this year, we would all be singing the praises of our defense.

        They just effectively held Florida to 14 points. Im not remotely interested in crapping on those guys. That should be more than enough to win in this era of rules and enforcement being skewed in favor of offenses.

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        • adam

          The defense is almost still improving and is insanely young. They are also only a year and a half removed from the worst defense in school history.

          You can’t say any of that shit about the offense.

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          • adam

            That should say “also still improving” and not “almost still improving”.

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          • Will (the other one)

            Yeah, I agree with this. Which is why I think the best case is a 4-0 finish (who cares about the bowl) with Schotty encouraged to return to the NFL, and Richt loosens up a bit on the “no spread, not so much tempo, gotta be pro-style” OC hiring qualifications. Get a point per minute spread guy in here and get him to incorporate some pro/under-center concepts into that, and then I can start getting excited about Eason.

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            • adam

              This is precisely what I want. I’m still mad we didn’t hire Lincoln Riley last year.

              On the other hand, if the rumours that Pruitt had a big hand in hiring Schotty and Sale are true – and I keep hearing them – then I’m a little less excited about Pruitt as a candidate for the HC position. Great DC, great recruiter. But maybe he’s not ready for prime time as HC.

              I would be ok with Justin Fuente, Tom Herman, Doc Holliday, or Sonny Dykes taking over. I honestly think that new blood is necessary right now. If there was any way that we could hire someone like Herman or Fuente and keep Pruitt, that would be a dream scenario. But it doesn’t seem likely.

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        • DawgPhan

          effectively is another way of saying “they didnt”

          defense isnt as bad as the offense, but they aint good either.

          Definitely are not seeing the turnovers that we saw last year. not as good as they were last year. hard to call not being as good as your were last year improving.

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          • Chuck

            Tackling is atrocious this year, worst it’s been in several years. Tackling is all about technique, effort and motivation. To some extent that all goes back to coaching.

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          • FisheriesDawg

            So you’re putting 6 points from a dropped punt and 7 from an interception that gave Florida the ball inside the five on the defense?

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    • mikebozo

      Pruitt still has to prove he can put a viable defense on the field before they can make him the head coach in waiting

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      • adam

        He’s a year and a half removed from the worst defense in school history and a staff that didn’t recruit, especially in the secondary. The defense is already so much better. If the offense and special teams weren’t both huge disasters, then we probably only have 1 loss. With a good offense and special teams, who knows?

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  4. FarmerDawg

    I assumed during the Shotenhiemer transition the coach would learn the offense and tweak it a little. The way this deal is going an internal move would have worked better. I say this because unlike defense (Willie) Richt is an offensive coordinator by trade and trained Bobo.

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  5. PTC DAWG

    No change at the top this year, we all know that. That said, for sure something is amiss with CMR. I hope they get it fixed..

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  6. SouthernYank

    I don’t think the UGA fan base will be all that happy with the East resembling the East circa 1990’s-early 2000’s’, but that is what it’s shaping up to look like next year, and perhaps further down the road.

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  7. Merk

    The issue is not this season. The issue is that it is the same old story. Richt loses games that should not be lost yearly. Previously, those games were big, but typically the rest of the East was crappy enough that we could get into mid November before being eliminated because the others were going to lose at least 1 game if not 2.
    This season is the first season of UGA’s decline back to mid-tier East team, as both UF and UT are back on the up swing. If Mizzou can find an offense, then we will be lucky to even compete in the top 3 of the East from here on.

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    • Chadwick

      We’ve been an average as grits team for quite a while now mostly by Richt’s own doing. Now, UT and UF are improving and they’ll be making the team look average as grits. Add a passive Richt into the mix and it’s going to be 1995 again. Hard to fathom how Richt squandered the opportunity to cement his team as the power in the East.

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    • mwo

      I really expected this year to be better. Without the customary off season arrests and suspensions of years past I thought we had turned a corner on focus and direction. As for how to fix this problem, I am at a loss.

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    • Athens Townie

      MISERY INDEX, Week 9: Angst in Athens

      Dan Wolken on UGA:

      “Which brings us to the most frustrating thing about engaging Georgia fans in conversations about their program. They can never take place without acknowledging: 1) Richt’s qualities as a human being and 2) His record between 2001-08.

      It is maddening and it is self-destructive, but it is the excuse-making reality in which they live. Moreover, Georgia fans frequently default to the notion that Georgia won’t able to hire a better coach than Richt or talk about recruits that are on the way as defense of the status quo.”

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2015/11/01/misery-index-week-9-georgia-nebraska-duke-texas-rutgers/75002324/

      Ouch!

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  8. JimDawg

    Well put. It does seem as if something is wrong with more than the x’s and o’s and the talent we put on the field. As Dennis Dodd, love him or hate him stated, the atmosphere around the UGA program is bad == or in his words, toxic. While toxic may or may not be too strong a word, there does seem to be a lack of direction and, what worries me, is that Coach Richt is seemingly unable to fix it, Not only that, our Athletic Department is slow and mighty deliberate when making necessary decisions. I graduated in 1979 and despite suffering through the immediate post Dooley years, I am as concerned for our program as I think I have ever been. With Coach Goff and even Coach Donnan, it was not too hard to see what the problem was. Currently, there are so many inexplicable and questionable decisions being made that it does appear there is a great deal of disengagement at the top of the program. It seems as if the foundation is crumbling. Tough decisions lie ahead but I have doubts about those who will have to make them. I love the Dogs but it is time to get our house in order.

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  9. Go Dawgs!

    I’ve been a Richt supporter and a Richt apologist. I still find the concept of calling for his head feels… distasteful somehow. I still don’t have the feeling that he won’t be able to turn things around in the future.

    My biggest concern, however, is that I fear we’ve made a big mistake hiring Schottenheimer and knowing Mark Richt’s history I fear that it’s a mistake that we’re just locked into now. Going with Bauta feels foolish if we’re not going to try to take advantage of any advantages his skill set may give us. Ramsey suddenly being our punter feels really strange. We had two weeks and we didn’t even devote that full time to getting Bauta ready to play, which is truly unfortunate because the plan on Saturday was clearly to play every snap with Bauta no matter what happened. The offense just isn’t very imaginative. The Fire Mike Bobo crowd must be shifting nervously in their seats as they realize that Mike might have been doing a really good job the whole time. I don’t think it’s in Richt’s nature to fire Schottenheimer after one season of work. But I haven’t seen much that tells me it isn’t what we need to do in order to salvage future seasons.

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    • Charles

      Word. Agreed.

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    • Chadwick

      I admire your positive attitude in regards to Richt, but how many years is the “next year” mantra valid? This team isn’t improving. It’s regressing. Sad with all the resources at his disposal.

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    • Granthams replacement

      Mike left these 2 QBs behind, maybe he knew when to get out since he recruited them, coached them and knew how bad they were.

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      • Russ

        Maybe, but I just don’t think so. I have to believe Bobo could’ve craft something better than what we’re seeing now. Obviously they weren’t panning out like everyone hoped, but no way could they fail this badly with Bobo still here.

        We really need Eason here, but I fear what will happen if Schotty is still here and gets hold of him.

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    • OdontoDawg

      “because the plan on Saturday was clearly to play every snap with Bauta no matter what happened.”

      One of my suspicions on Saturday as the game unfolded was that Bauta was actually not meant to play the whole game, but Richt and BS stuck with him out of pure stubbornness. That thought scares me.

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      • Will (the other one)

        And apparently they decided to start him late last week, which explains why the gameplan seemed to be something suited for Lambert. Which seems like a really lousy way to use your bye week, coaching-wise.

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        • Go Dawgs!

          Yeah, that’s a complete and utter failure of coaching. And that’s something that lands on the CEO’s desk. I don’t know who had the idea to give Bauta the start, but if it happened so late in the bye week process that they didn’t really have a chance to tailor the game plan to his strengths then it comes down to the person in charge to say, “this isn’t a good idea.” Whatever the process was, however it came to be, if you’re looking at Quarterback C going into a game using Quarterback A’s playbook while what should have been the Quarterback C playbook is sitting there unused… that’s a failure and it’s on the person in charge.

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  10. The number of openings doesn’t phase me one bit and shouldn’t factor into McG’s decision at all. All but one are lesser jobs than ours. Unless Texas and one or two other premiere jobs come available, I don’t care how many Hawaii, Maryland, UCF, even Va Tech & SC jobs come available. None of those should scare us into thinking we can’t land the desired candidate over them.

    Now I agree that he won’t get fired, but if the number of openings plays even a small part in making that decision, then the decision makers are entirely not focused on the right things.

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    • You’re missing the point, Rev. Even if Georgia is a better job opportunity than most places, it’s still going to have to win a bidding war with them. Unless you think people like Jimmy Sexton are willing to leave a few bucks on the table because it’s in Athens.

      For example, Tom Herman is a fine coach and likely to be a hot name this offseason. But he’s only been a head coach for a year, and that at a mid-major program; we have no idea what kind of recruiter he’ll make. If you’re McGarity and he’s your first choice as a replacement, how far are you willing to go to get your man? Would you pay more than $4 million a year – today’s going rate in the SEC – to sign a guy with a short resume? Because it’s a good bet somebody else is willing to pay the man stupid money.

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      • DawgPhan

        $4million doesnt even get Herman’s agent to answer the phone.

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        • Oh, I think the phone gets answered.

          But it sure won’t be the last conversation they have.

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          • I get all that. I just don’t see why you factor that in, as if the same scenario isn’t gonna play out with the hottest candidates next year. Or the year after. Or the year after. There’s stupid money in the system right now everywhere. Again, I feel very strongly that if THAT is one of the factors that makes you decide to keep Richt, you’re focusing on the wrong things.

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            • Plus, I like Fuentes better anyway. 😜

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            • I don’t know about next year, but what I can say about this year is that we’ve never seen this many openings this early at P5 programs before. If it’s the new normal, then you’re right. But if it’s not, you’re almost guaranteed to overpay for a coach, on top of paying out unprecedented buyout money.

              Does that really sound like the Georgia Way to you?

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              • Oh I’m not predicting what they WILL do. I’m saying what, in my mind, they SHOULD do, but we all know what they actually will.

                But in my mind, a decision has to be made if Richt has what it takes to turn us back around. My opinion is that he doesn’t but my opinion doesn’t count. But if the opinion of those who DO count is the same as mine, but they kept him anyway because they don’t want to be in a bidding war, well don’t kid yourself for a second that the market this year won’t have a bearing on the market next year, even with fewer openings. Salaries in sports don’t go down, they always build off what the previous year’s market was.

                So again, I feel very strongly that if THAT plays into keeping Richt around, it’s just yet more of not seeing the forest for the trees. But again, I agree with you that I don’t think he will actually be fired. Only way he goes is if he chooses to.

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  11. I’m not sure if he gets fired at the end of the year but I’m afraid if he isn’t we’re going to be in even worse shape when he finally is.

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    • DawgPhan

      meh…you could drive UGA into the ditch and in 2 years, with the right coach, you could be competing for titles.

      It happens all over the country every year. New coach gets everyone focused and they play better.

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    • Bright Idea

      Whether Richt gets fired or not this weekly and yearly referendum on his status is not killing the program, it already has killed it. I see no way this team goes 5-0 to finish the season 10-3 so McGarity can sweep Richt hiring Schotty and the rest of this mess under the rug. McGarity can’t fire him because its too costly and too big of a gamble and he can’t keep him because its too costly and too big of a gamble. Hell of a mess.

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  12. @gatriguy

    Senator, when I can take emotion out of the situation and think logically and rationally, I completely agree with you on this.

    There are a ton of little things that drive me insane about Richt and the program, but none of them would be a reason to cut ties. His decision making however, is going to end up doing him in. He has now botched 3 coordinator decisions and his roster management from 2010 to 2013 bordered on program malpractice.

    Ultimately, the increased committment from BM is going to force much more accountability than ever before. I said it at the time: excuses are being taken away.

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    • BCDawg97

      Agreed on the excuses being taken away. My thought was he had 3 years to let the recent changes take effect and to win the East 2 of 3 and at least 1 SEC, this being year 1, That said, if he loses to Tech 2 years in a row, or holds on to Schotty one more year, he might not survive to see the end.

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    • Athens Townie

      Correcto. Excuses are increasingly hard to find. Also, the worse Richt performs (and it’s gotten quite bad, once again) the less we risk in replacing him.

      I’ve never called for Richt’s job (in caps lock or otherwise). But my hope is that Richt cares enough about the program to step aside like a gentleman, sparing the bloodshed and buyouts. But I don’t know if his ego will allow that.

      I hope Mark doesn’t become our Mack Brown (without the two national championship appearances). Mack set Texas back in a huge way after years of negligence and mismanagement. I fear Richt might end up doing the same.

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    • The Nelson Puppet

      Bring on The Dooley Puppet to announce there will have to be “significant improvement” next season, a la Ray Goff.

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  13. D as in Dawg

    The linked article was relevant, but I’d like to hear the Senator’s thoughts on the unprecedented amount of scathing rebuke that Richt is receiving from the national media. This doesn’t appear to be a matter of righting the ship. It’s more like retrieving the pieces from the bottoms of the ocean and bringing then back to the shipyard for a memorial. If CMR can ever instill confidence in this team again, it will go down as one of the most amazing accomplishments the sport has ever seen. My wife says I’m dramatic. Can you tell?

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  14. Spike

    Bauta is a warrior, but was in a tough spot. I think he did as well as could be expected. I was hoping he would lead us to a victory of course. But it’s not all on him. Shotty is the common denominator and the O line gets thrown around and can’t seem to block anybody. I’m looking at you Coach Sales. And Reggie Davis! Ugh. I’m serious, as some other posters have mentioned, look down the depth chart. Give the younger guys and the walk ons a shot. What have we got to lose? You know they will play their hearts out. Look at Vaughn, Thompson et al. Shake things up! Piss the starters off!.

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    • OdontoDawg

      You don’t have to go far down the depth chart to find a replacement for Davis on punt returns – how ’bout McKenzie and Godwin? They seem much more dynamic and can’t be worse at decision making, can they?

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  15. Biggus Rickus

    I understand that they may not want to pay the buyout, and if the manages to get to 8-4 somehow, he won’t be fired. However, 8-4 looks less likely than 7-5 right now, and depending on who the two losses are to and how the team looks in the wins, that might change the landscape. There’s also a slight chance Georgia will lose out. If that happens, I think they’ll fire him.

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    • No One Knows You're a Dawg

      “There’s also a slight chance Georgia will lose out. If that happens, I think they’ll fire him.”

      Agree. Incredibly, the Georgia Southern game is now looming large.

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      • lakedawg

        Guys quit hoping for things to happen that you know is not going to. Lose out, you can not be serious, only game that will be problem is an erratic barn team.

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        • Athens Townie

          You’re right. We’ll streamroll through the rest of the schedule with no mercy, just like we crushed the pathetic Vols!!

          All aboard the Coach Richt Express!! Next stop, BCS Championship!!

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        • Biggus Rickus

          I don’t think most people are hoping for it to happen, but not acknowledging the possibility is wishful thinking. Personally, i don’t care if Richt goes 4-0 or 0-4 down the stretch. I’ll just remain apathetic until he’s gone. Honestly assessing the team in its current state, I think losses to at least one of the remaining four teams is practically a given. Two losses looks more likely than one, and losing more than two seems unlikely. If the staff has lost the team – and they sure looked like it Saturday – anything is possible.

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  16. charlottedawg

    So I’m starting to get a hunch about Richt and Schotty. This is just a hypothesis so it’s really just a best guess that could be totally wrong. But I’m starting to get the feeling that all of our success at the qb position and on offense the last few years was 100% a function of Mike Bobo which masked a lot of the structural issues in the program. I also would not be surprised if despite Richt’s accomplishments at FSU in the same vein he hasn’t made any meaningful contributions to the offense or qb development precisely because Bobo was doing an awesome job. And now that effectively his best hire and protege got a better gig you’re looking at a boss that is literally lost as to how to not only replace his old subordinate but also can’t fix the problems the new Oc is causing/exposing.

    Chip towers said something that was frankly shocking a couple of weeks ago on the weekly dawg nation web chat. Namely that the narrative we heard at the beginning of the season regarding Schotty adapting to Georgia’s existing scheme/ philosophy save Adobe tweaks to terminology has basically been thrown out the window and Schotty basically installed his scheme. So now we’re looking at players trying to execute the schemes of a crappy Oc and neither the coaches or the players have confidence in each other.

    At first I thought all of the qbs on our roster just sucked but now I’m starting to wonder if Ramsey and Faton would be fine options at qb even if not necessarily world beaters if Bobo stayed. Especially given that we now know they wouldn’t have had to learn a whole new play book. Just my theory your mileage may vary.

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    • IAmAChubbyMan

      “But I’m starting to get the feeling that all of our success at the qb position and on offense the last few years was 100% a function of Mike Bobo which masked a lot of the structural issues in the program.”

      In other breaking news, the sky is blue and the Clintons are liars.

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    • This seems reasonable to me…I 100% agree that the players have zero confidence in the offensive scheme. I feel bad for them. This is not what they signed up for. Which then begs the questions–what kind of fool would choose to play in such a boring offense? Schottenheimer’s offense has to be detrimental to recruiting at this point. How could it not be? Can’t let one bad hire hurt the now and the later…

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    • The other Doug

      I know Bobo threw up a lot of points in his last few years, but what was the change he made? I think it was insanely talented running backs. Our offense was hand off to Gurley or Chubb and wait for them to break one long. That’s why we lead in explosive plays.

      Everyone loves to talk about QB development, but I’m starting to think that was more about great talent too. Murray and Stafford were just talented. Greene and Shockley were hard working solid guys from day one. Cox, Mason, and this year’s 3 headed monster were never developed.

      OL? They looked a lot better before Chubb went down.

      It’s starting to look like those couple of good years were just Herschel type RBs who made things happen.

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      • Granthams replacement

        Like the Bobby Cox of OCs.

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      • charlottedawg

        Couple points to counter.

        First yes Stafford and Murray were talented guys but they and others such as mettenberger and mason got better each year at Georgia. That’s a function of coaching. I’d argue mason was a shining example of Bobo coaching. Not the best arm but made the throws needed to move the chains and a nice fade or post every note and then to keep the defense honest. Compare that to this year where ALL of our quarterbacks look completely lost and look like they’re getting worse as the season progresses. Last thing in regards to qbs, who do you think recruited these really talented guys like Murray, Stafford, & Eason. That’s right Mike Bobo.

        I’d also argue Bobo incorporated a lot of things such as spread concepts and tempo that helped the Georgia offense go from good to explosive.

        Lastly in regards to running backs. 1) you still have to know how to use them see Keith Marshall. 2)Bobo still scored a bunch of points even when he didn’t have the services of Gurley or Chubb. Like lsu in 2013.

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        • The other Doug

          All good points.

          This isn’t my most well thought out idea. It’s just something that I’m starting to wonder about. I don’t think Bobo sucked, but I am starting to wonder if we didn’t give him too much credit the last few years. Look at what Gurley is doing in the NFL. Beast.

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      • baitstand

        Don’t forget about our under-appreciated, under-utilized receiving corps.

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        • mikebozo

          It helps having a coach on the field like Murray. Made Bobo look better than he actually was/is. Not doing so hot following McElwain at CSU with basically the same players.

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          • adam

            He lost a lot of players form McElwain’s team, including the quarterback, the LT, the LG, the TE/H-back, and a lot of defensive players.

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          • The other Doug

            I went to a CSU game and I have watched a couple of games on TV. Bobo isn’t lighting it up, but all the talent is gone too. He had a meh recruiting class last year, and he will have to bust his butt to bring some talent in or he is doomed.

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    • But Mike Bobo is not any better at Colorado State. In fact he is worse at 3-5.

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      • mikebozo

        against easier competition. Murray was able to check off and read defenses better that Bobo. When his career is done at KC I expect to see him somewhere as an OC then HC if he don’t hang a shingle and practice as a shrink

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  17. IAmAChubbyMan

    “Something’s got to change, that’s for sure.”

    Here we go again. The same song and dance we have heard for almost a decade.

    So basically Bluto is blaming the Bauta debacle on Schottenheimer and absolving Richt. Sure, he says that they are not on the same page, but reading between the lines, it’s all on Schottenheimer. It’s always everyone’s fault but Richt’s. The players, the assistants, the AD, the University President, Jimmy Williamson, the head cheerleader, the mascot handler, yada yada yada. Nothing this man does through his incompetence sticks to him because it’s always everyone else’s fault. The buck stops everywhere but with the man who has driven the ship into the iceberg.

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  18. No One Knows You're a Dawg

    If Richt and McGarity had a good relationship, I’d agree that there,s no chance Richt goes. But it’s obvious from the dueling newspaper stories earlier this year that each blames the other what’s not working in the football program.

    Up until Saturday, McGarity hasn’t had enough support to fire Richt and he’s known he’d take a beating in the press for doing so. But this October has been a tipping point. Georgia certainly has the money to fire everyone and now McGarity has the justification he needs. He doesn’t like to spend money (and I’d bet he’d go cheap (and pliable) on a new hire), but I think he’ll do it if it means getting rid of an adversary.

    There’s a hell of a story to be told about what’s gone wrong between the two of them.

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    • Dolly Llama

      That cheap/pliable thing on the new hire was what made me suggest going with Pruitt above. We could do worse.

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      • No One Knows You're a Dawg

        It certainly seems Pruitt has stepped in to try and get the program up-to-date in several areas. Of course what’s frustrating is that it should be the head coach who’s always striving to make sure the program is using best practices. Pruitt’s defenses certainly could be better but I’m not sure how much of that is his fault.

        That said, I don’t think Georgia fans are ready to hand the program over to him. If Richt does leave, it’d be nice if Pruitt could stay on because I do believe the defense will be good next season.

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    • JTP

      Our head coach couldn’t even go to our AD about a new practice facility. That demand had to come from our DC. 8 years too late.

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      • No One Knows You're a Dawg

        I think if Richt had played some hardball (like during contract negotiations) he could have gotten an IPF (and other upgrades) built sooner. Why he chose not to use his leverage is a mystery to me.

        Also, the heavy rain today means the team will likely have to practice on the basketball court or something today. Definitely not what was needed as the team tries to pull out of a tailspin.

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    • @gatriguy

      I don’t think this is super complicated to figure out. McFly came from Florida, so he knew the opinion an opposing program that had dominated Richt had of him (we can all speculate as to what that was). I believe that whatever McFly sees or has seen has reinforced the opinion he came in with. Ultimately, the political backlash from cutting Richt loose would be enormous. He’s probably only going to get one shot at getting the replacement right, so he’s been hesitant to do anything until Richt burns some goodwill. That’s why I’ve stated that I believe the increased committment might be akin to giving Richt enough rope to gang himself.

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      • The other Doug

        I would add that he won’t go cheap because if the new coach stumbles then he is doomed.

        He only fires Richt when the money is available for an elite coach.

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      • No One Knows You're a Dawg

        I think at first he genuinely wanted to work with Richt but over time the relationship has gone south. Agree about him only getting one chance to get the replacement right, which as Doug notes below would be a good reason to try and go big with the hire.

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      • Dog in Fla

        “giving Richt enough rope to gang himself.”

        I knew there would be a lasso in here somewhere today

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      • “The political backlash of firing Richt would be enormous. ”

        At this stage, I disagree. I don’t think there’s a soul out there who would fault McGarity for cutting him loose now.

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        • Scorpio Jones, III

          Chili, I realize your tentacles out there in Nevada reach deeply into the heart of the Georgia program, but “I don’t think there’s a soul out there who would fault McGarity for cutting him loose now.” is more than a little self-serving and no where close to accurate.

          You are welcome your agony and opinions, please don’t include me (as a soul) in your protestations.

          Thank you.

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          • Are you honestly telling me that you would not be able to understand letting Richt go at this point? Maybe I should adjust my remark to say “not a reasonable person out there…”

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          • Athens Townie

            I think that’s true, SJ3.

            But I also believe apathy is at historic levels. I have to imagine we are as close to a tipping point as we’ve ever been.

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        • lakedawg

          Chili your hatred for Coach Richt causes irrational statements like above. Speak for yourself not for Dawg football fans.

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          • Dude. You are not the person who decides who is or is not a fan. When someone goes that route because someone disagrees with them it makes them look dumb. You love Richt. Awesome. You’re fine with not only waiting till next year but the year after. Not everyone is like you,though your ilk is why MR still has a job.

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  19. UGA85

    A good, restrained assessment. Thank you. To me, CMR has to make a decision about CMR. Will he totally change his system and how he does things? He likes to find a statuesque, cannon-armed quarterback and throw bombs to track stars, then let everything else open up. He doesn’t like the “daily grind” of developing and coaching players to block and run and catch and become reliable, well-coached role players. At best, we get big plays, touchdowns, and three-and-outs. At worst, we get this year. It’s not the talent we get; it’s developing the talent we have and being flexible and adaptive and willing to change and (gasp!) teach. The line of scrimmage reveals who the best coach is. Will CMR ever understand this?

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  20. Timphd

    I’ve been a Richt supporter since he got here and have steadfastly maintained faith that he could be the guy to get us to the point that we could at least be in the running annually, and occasionally get a championship. I was one who said I wouldn’t change the promise of being good every season for an Auburn like one year Chizik wonder. I felt that the coach we had would be hard to replace with someone as consistent a winner. That has all changed for me now. I see a team in disarray. I see a team with no resilience. I see a team that consistently finds ways to break their own hearts, not to mention mine, with bonehead decisions that should not be made in game 8. No fire or determination and a “going through the motions” feel to the games. I know those kids want to win too, but I don’t sense the belief that they can and should win like I think used to be there. That to me is on the coaches. The moves lately have reeked of panic and confusion in the coaching staff and that will work it’s way to the team quickly, which is exactly what I believe has happened. Is Schottenheimer the problem? I do think he was a bad hire but the problem is more pervasive that just the OC. These kids are missing assignments, muffing punts, dropping TD passes, etc. that well coached teams don’t do on a regular basis.

    As much as I hate to say it, I don’t believe anymore. I will still follow and love my Dawgs but I can’t say I will be surprised if they lose to Kentucky, will be surprised if the DON’T lose to Auburn and maybe even Tech. This is the most painful season for me as a fan because I truly had high hopes in the summer.

    FWIW, IF the decision is made to change leadership, put me down as one who wants an established head man. No more assistants taking their first position (i.e. Kirby Smart, Jeremy Pruitt). This job with the resources available has to be attractive to a head coach at a smaller school. Go get someone who is winning in their program already.

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  21. Well put Senator. After taking flak last night from people that you didn’t take Richt to task yesterday I’d say you did a good job today. Stories and pressers aside I saw a guy in that halftime interview on Saturday that had no clue how to fix things.

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  22. adam

    “There’s too much money at stake and it’s shaping up as a bad time to go out and sign a new head coach.”

    If we had to hire a new head coach, we would have our pick of the litter, be that Fuente, Herman, Smart, or even someone like Dabo Swinney.

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    • Not Kirby Smart … Ever

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    • Biggus Rickus

      Georgia’s a very good job, but they aren’t going to hire away a guy who’s winning at a P5 program like Swinney (not that I want Swinney). I actually prefer Matt Rhule at Temple to the other mid-major coaches right now. I know they lost Saturday, but what he’s done in building a legitimate defense there is more impressive to me than winning shootouts with an overlooked but extremely good QB as Fuente has.

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      • Al Golden came to the U from Temple. I don’t know if Rhule would be a good answer, but I don’t want to find out.

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      • adam

        Paxton Lynch is extremely good because of Fuente and his offensive staff, not the other way around.

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        • Biggus Rickus

          That is possible. I wouldn’t mind the hire. He just wouldn’t be my first choice as it stands. They’ll face each other this year. Winner gets the Georgia job?

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          • adam

            Yeah, I honestly would be totally fine with that.

            Honestly, blowing up the whole staff and hiring Justin Fuente is high on my list of acceptable outcomes. The bottom two are:

            1) Losing Pruitt but keeping Schotty (worst case scenario).
            2) Keeping the entire staff together.

            I don’t see any scenario where keeping Schotty makes any sense. Fire him now. Today. Release a statement at 4:30 this afternoon.

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    • D.N. Nation

      I don’t get the Swinney love. Just as much as Richt does, he bungles big talent on the biggest stage. Isn’t great against his rivals. Loses to Trek more than we ever do.

      We do remember comprehensively kicking the crap out of his team last season, yes?

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      • adam

        I’m not throwing a ton of love his way, but they are kicking a lot of ass this year. And Georgia has access to better talent and has more money than Clemson.

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      • The Nelson Puppet

        Dabo would only leave Clemson if Alabama called him home. There’s a weird history of Alabama alums coaching at Clemson: Frank Howard, Hootie Ingram, Charlie Pell, Danny Ford, and Dabo.

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    • Mudcats Impala

      Herman today, Herman tomorrow & Herman next week…. we can only hope.

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      • Dog in Fla

        Herman has expectations

        “One thing that I’ve gotten much better at is confrontation with my assistant coaches. I’ve learned that it’s O.K., you just can’t ever make it personal. I think that’s one thing that you learn from someone like Urban, or if you’ve heard Nick Saban talk. It’s never personal. It’s never, ‘You stupid jerk, why did I hire you?’ The way to handle it is, ‘You’re not doing your job. This is what we need you to do. Get it done. These are the expectations.”‘

        http://www.campusrush.com/tom-herman-houston-cougars-head-coach-education-1336562958.html

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  23. NoAxeToGrind

    So foul a sky clears not without a storm. King John

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  24. anon

    if you read the article embedded in this post it should scare the heck out of you. as I see the problem…..there is no accountability, there is no fear for your job or fear of losing your position. there is no ass-chewing on the way at halftime or after the game or during the game. it almost seems like richt is on Xanax during the game. and all of the talk of “watch what you say” almost gives me the feeling that richt is asking this of the team and coaches in a selfish way. there are no consequences.

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    • Russ

      Sadly, I agree. There are no consequences on this team. As another commenter said about Reggie Davis, the way he remembers to not back up from the 10 is to run stairs for about 2 hours after the first time. After the second time, he’s not playing anymore. (Not to pick on Reggie, but he’s a prime example.)

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  25. Will Trane

    Seems like Martinez has survived at UT. UT has a power offense. They have a coach gets in the game and is not removed from it. Think Pruitt has been on Richt’s butt last year and this about the failed program he walked into re his friend Will Friend. Richt will not change his offense even though it has not produced anything in 10 years. Look at Baylor, Oklahoma State, Clemson, TCU, and others. Look at UF. Those gators have something to cheer about.
    4 million dollar head coach and we are quibbling over buyouts? How long do you want to burn that. 2 – 3 years. Thats’ 8 – 12 million alone, not counting other lost revenue. Need more Terry College in AD department.
    When will Richt show this season he wants to get it going again. So far, he has not. He could have taken a first step by cutting his OC lose yesterday. Put Lilly back until end of season. The man is not serious about his program. Frankly I do not think he in HC material any longer.

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  26. Mary Kate Danaher

    I keep going back to an article posted by Andy Staples on Si.com yesterday. His work is solid, and he has said more than once that he believes that the UGA job is the best in the country. That may or may not be true, but what struck me was this:

    “..the correct coach could go on a Nick Saban-type run in Athens.”

    He than mentions possible replacements for CMR:

    “Would Brian Kelly leave Notre Dame? Maybe. The degree of difficulty in recruiting and keeping players is not as high in Athens as it is in South Bend, where there are no basket-weaving majors and where an administration will suspend a player for a year over something he might miss a game for at other schools with national title aspirations. Would Dabo Swinney leave Clemson? It doesn’t seem like he would—except for maybe alma mater Alabama. Would Jimbo Fisher leave Florida State? Maybe. Maybe not. Would Gary Patterson leave TCU? It seems doubtful he’d enjoy the scrutiny a Georgia coach faces. He seems happy in Fort Worth. That by no means is a complete list of candidates, but those are the kind of slam-dunk names Georgia would need interest from before McGarity pulled the plug on the Richt era.”

    One man’s opinion, obviously, but I’m curious whether these are really legitimate possibilities for the next HC at Georgia.

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  27. Granthams replacement

    CMR does not have a sense of urgency about anything. He waited too long to fire Willie, wanted to keep Gratham, waited 4 years to start managing the roster like other SEC schools, still won’t hire a special teams coach, etc. Lack of urgency spills over into a lack of accountability – just recently the kick returner who continues to make mental errors, Offensive linemen have not blocked in 5 games, same plays called using a new QB with different strengths/weakness that the previous starter. The older CMR gets the more mellow he becomes and lack of execution on the field reflects it because the poor level of play is accepted. Time for a change. Several have commented to keep CMR because they don’t want UGA to be the next UT/Fulmer program. If that’s the case fire GM also, it is unacceptable to tolerate poor performance because the hiring manager can’t do his job either.

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  28. Russ

    Unless we lose out in similar fashion, I can’t see Richt going anywhere. However, Schotty shouldn’t have been allowed back on the team bus on Saturday. He has to go this year. I think we need Richt to secure what could be a really good recruiting class. Lord knows, we need Eason ASAP, but not if Schotty is going to mess him up.

    I guess when Richt handed the offense over to Bobo a few years back, he REALLY handed everything over to him. Richt is going to have to do some hands-on, honest to goodness coaching for the remainder of the season. With the way our offense has played, our best shots going forward are to shut out the other team and win with field goals. That doesn’t give me much confidence, obviously.

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  29. Will Trane

    I’m in southwest Georgia. I see hear and hear a lot about Florida and FSU. Work with their alums. Their programs in all sports are ahead of us at UGA.
    Womens volleyball. Caught an announcer asking how Missouri recruited a very talented player out of North Gwinnett to their program. It is not only football it is the total atmosphere in Athens now with this AD Department.
    We are losing way too many kids in this state to other SEC and ACC programs. It has to stop.
    Football would be at the top of my list this morning if I was the AD. They knew in those 1st three games they were not that good. Hell, even Chubb said “get it together”. That was a shot across the bow. And nobody heard it.

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  30. ASEF

    I disagree about holding on one more year. Here’s why.

    Too many open jobs? That’s going to be an issue moving forward no matter what. Georgia has the talent pool and facilities to attract top candidates. Georgia would be the leading job available outside of U SoCal. Waiting until the coaching market cools is no guarantee of a quality replacement or even a lower price tag. It just comes down to identifying suitable candidates. If they are available, and they are, then McGarity needs to go get one.

    What happens next year? I remember seeing a remarkable stat during Alabama’s last coaching search – every coach there had at least 1 10 win season. I think that baseline level of performance applies in part to Georgia. Waiting another year runs the real risk that Richt does something short of spectacular but above expectations that makes the exit messy. You have an opportunity this year to make a clean break. That’s a fleeting window.

    How does a lame duck year set up the next coach for success? It doesn’t. It just adds a year of rot to the list of tasks a new HC has to deal with.

    Richt’s done. I think that’s apparent from multiple data points. He’s a good recruiter and a good person, but he seems to be still learning how to run a top-level program 15 years into the gig. I’m not talking about the normal growth and learning everyone experiences over the arc of a career. He still seems to be trying to figure out a management model that works for him relative to the expectations of the program he runs. If we’re going to be in that mode, it might as well be with a new coach.

    Finding a mid-major coach who takes his program to the next level has a high success rate for P5 powers. It’s not infallible, but it’s the resume of Brian Kelly, Urban Meier, and McElwain, among others. There are at least 3 of those out there right now. They can’t all take U SoCal.

    It’s time.

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  31. Dog in Fla

    “If you aren’t convinced that’s the case, read this sad story in the AB-H.”….

    “The walls were put up on Mark Richt’s instruction.”

    I think I know where he got the idea

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  32. Athens Dog

    I just get the impression that nothing is going on behind the scenes. It appears that the team is trying, but that leadership is not there. Frustrating. Its supposed to rain Saturday. I’ll be there. I wonder how many others will.

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    • Spike

      We missed you Saturday.^^^^^

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    • DawgPhan

      if the weather forecast holds and it is rainy on saturday, the stadium is going to have a lot of empty seats. Hard to want to drive to athens and sit in the rain for a noon kick against Kentucky with this team.

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  33. ClydeBoogie

    I don’t know what the problem is. I just want the coaches to coach and think like veterans instead of rookies and the players to catch the damn ball, tackle and block like they want to win. I am a Richt fan and hope by some miracle he can turn things around but he has to hire a new O-line coach to succeed here. Eason is coming next month, the O-line recruits look very good as well as the recievers, lb’s, and D-line. You win or lose in the trenches this is the worst O-line i have ever seen at Uga they are getting their asses whipped every game. CBS is not nearly as bad a hire as the O-line coach.

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    • The guy that calls a running play into an obviously awful line with no lead blocker is way worse than whoever coaches that line. That shows a complete lack of awareness about what your team is capable of doing.

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  34. Will Trane

    IYH Sports has a article about the Disastrous Class of 2013. Read that article. Eye opening about the reason so many freshman are playing and why Pruitt is trying to put some players in position and getting CMR straighten out.
    Roster management is huge. So is recruiting. Loss more ground and see where your program can end up. Think not look at what UT had to burn thru. Not every program has a Foley as an AD.

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  35. superfbfan

    It doesn’t take a genius to understand what has happened. We don’t have a QB and our receivers are lacking. The responsibility falls on the head coach. Should Richt be fired? To answer this question we should look at 2 things:
    1. How are we recruiting?
    2. Is the program headed in a positive direction?
    I feel good about both of these questions. We have a qb coming who’s likely a future first round draft choice in the NFL. We are recruiting better on defense and especially the d-line position. I feel our assistant coaches are the best we’ve had in a decade. Our administration seems to be committed to winning (see indoor practice and Asst coaching salary increase).
    We are paying the price for a few years of poor recruiting and Richt could be fired for that alone. However, sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t. I have no confidence that UGA would make the right hire if Richt were replaced…we’re stuck with what we got and just have to hope Richt gets it together….

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    • Agree with a lot of what you stated here except the jury is very much out on one o-line coach.

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    • doofusdawg

      It’s just the finger in the leaky dam again. Yes you mention obvious issues which may be on a positive trajectory. That’s fixing problems baked in the cake two to four years ago. The continuing problem will be the leaks that manifest themselves two to four years from now. And rest assure that there are things bubbling below the surface.

      The problem that has been stated correctly many times and in many different ways is that a championship football program needs to be “all in 24/7. Solving problems before they happen… constantly innovating to get the jump on the competition by bringing in new blood with fresh ideas. And that is essential for success because if you are successful then your people will get better opportunities… and you will be forced to bring in new people with new ideas… not new people that think the same thing as you.

      CMR has never been that guy and he has said so numerous times. His personal story is well documented and extremely impressive. His stubbornness has also been documented by his own words…”we’re not going to change what we do”. The problem is that everybody else is changing and their changes are affecting what “we do”.

      As my father has told me numerous times… people don’t change.

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      • Will (the other one)

        That stubbornness is really annoying now. Why can’t he go back to being the guy who put in the “fast break offense” and wanted to go no-huddle before being slowed down by SEC refs back in 2001? And did that turn him off the idea of tempo and innovation on offense?

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  36. No Country 4 Old Dawgs

    Richt remaining the head man brings with it some positives. In the immediate future, it probably produces another bowl appearance and a much ballyhooed class of recruits. (I know, I know: ‘But we Want Championships!’ Hear me out.) Look, a 1st year OC + 2nd yr DC, with 8-9 true freshmen regularly contributing/starting, hey an up-and-down season isn’t a total shock. And Richt has earned himself a lot of goodwill over his 15 years. Along with UGA enjoying quite a lot of stability, which probably plays a larger role in recruiting success, then any of us can truly fathom. Not like winning championships, sure, but it’s probably a respectable second place factor. And all these claims about a toxic culture within the program, is total garbage. A product of angry Vegas bookies and vengeful sports journalists, who had their betting story lines ruined. If any of it were true, UGA wouldn’t still be attracting great players and coaches. All of which is to say, next year figures large in the trajectory of the program and Mark Richt’s future at Georgia. All of our team’s shortcomings can be cured with one simple fix…an uncomfortable Mark Richt.

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    • No Country 4 Old Dawgs

      Appended thought to this post: Amidst the Missouri post-game coverage, Richt referenced a time in his early years at UGA when he didn’t enjoy some of their wins enough. Claiming even to be upset with the team following an ugly win. That’s what Georgia needs in the worst way. We need the coach we originally hired. Not necessarily to call plays or chew out refs or his own players, but that uncomfortable, desperate sense of URGENCY. That is the rudder to this ship my friends.

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      • NC4OD, two excellent posts. An uncomfortable sense of urgency without desperation is what is needed … Desperation leads to very bad decisions in most times where you may be going fast but in the wrong direction, but comfort leads to inertia where you stay where you are.

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        • No Country 4 Old Dawgs

          Appreciate the compliment. You’re absolutely correct about desperation being a distraction to solid, clear-eyed choices. But let’s be honest, Mark Richt’s tenure at Georgia is anything but your typical case study. I see it as desperation begets urgency in Richt’s particular case. What I’m after as a fan is a Mark Richt desperate to knock the lid off the program. He certainly seemed uncomfortably desperate his first five years on the job. And he’s right, UGA is closer than most think at attaining those lofty goals of 2008 or 2013. We just need a headman hungry enough to create winning habits in his players and his coaches.

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        • Dog in Fla

          nailed it?

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  37. DawgFaithful

    Something’s definitely got a change. I’ve been one of his biggest supporters but like you I’m not emotionally attached to Richt. I’m a Georgia football fan first and foremost. I agree with your assessment 100%. I don’t comment very often and I almost never read the comments so if you have to cut comments out, I’m all for it. I just come here for the content you post sir. Keep up the good work and do what you got to do.

    I just try to remember that it’s never as bad or as good as it seems. It seems pretty fucking bad right now. Have a nice rainy Monday. Go dawgs!

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  38. Bulldog Joe

    Considering how close we were to making a move last year, I do not believe the short list of candidates has gathered a lot of dust.

    With money always being an issue here, I would not be surprised to see Pruitt get the opportunity to show what he can do on an interim basis if Saturday goes as many expect it will go.

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  39. W Cobb Dawg

    If you’re gonna blame Schotty for the O, why would leave out assistants Brown, McClendon, Lilly, and Sale? The underachieving is certainly a team effort.
    STs suck. So that means blaming Lilly (again) and Ekeler.
    I expect CMR to remain – we’re essentially stuck with him. But the assistants don’t need this shit. McClendon, Brown, Pruitt, Ekeler, Rocker and Sherrer can all get equal positions elsewhere. CMR would never fire his shadow Lilly. Sale is young and will likely land on his feet. Schotty’s Dad will find him another gig.
    The final truth is, Mark Richt is the root of the problem. As has happened in the past, his tendency to ignore or slough off on the vital details of running a program has come home to roost. How many people would characterize CMR as being totally dedicated, closely monitoring every detail, and generally working his butt off? The word “accountable” isn’t in CMR’s vocabulary. All the Dawg fans in jax knew what the final result would be at the end of the first half.
    The administration has certainly painted themselves into a corner. Buyouts and new coaches salaries would be huge if we had a complete makeover. Only way we get a change is CMR stepping down. What are the chances of that happening?

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    • I don’t know what it would take for him to step down but if you were at the game you missed the halftime interview where he truly looked lost. I don’t think he has any idea how to fix this dumpster fire.

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    • Athens Townie

      I agree that the scenario is a voluntary departure. If he really wanted the best for UGA, he would help us move forward.

      Richt can’t get it done — and this mess is entirely his. The writing isn’t just on the wall anymore. It’s tattooed on his forehead.

      But that would require him to put the program before his ego… and then there’s the $4 million salary…

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    • Athens Townie

      *…ideal scenario is a voluntary departure

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    • Bulldog Joe

      Coach Ekeler has done a good job with the kickoff, punt block, and extra point/field goal block teams. We’ve blocked some kicks this year, punt coverage has been good, and our early season kickoff coverage issues have been resolved.

      Playing recruited athletes in these roles have also had a positive impact.

      Given the short kickoff “strategy” goes back many years before Coach Ekeler’s arrival, I am certain this is not of his doing, nor are the issues with the punting itself, as I believe these coaching responsibilities are outsourced.

      On the offensive side, the return game once again has been a revolving door of participants, contributing to the high number of game-changing turnovers and poor offensive field position on kickoffs. On punt returns… let’s just say they have been more exciting than the “punt safe” days of old.

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      • Dog in Fla

        “I am certain this is not of his doing”

        But this is as Coach Ekeler prepares for Kentucky

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      • Russ

        So, Coach Eckler cost me $200 on Saturday! I had 31 as the point total, and except for a blocked extra point, I’d be the winner of our pool. Doh!

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  40. Derpovonburpo

    CMR has always been very close to the vest with things like how we can change/make adjustments. He’s not going to blame the players or the other coaches, and he doesn’t want to say what’s really going on: We don’t have the talent at QB or WR, our line stinks for some reason…oh wait we got a new center and terrible QBs. Not to mention we lost one of the top 5 players in CFB, and we’re playing pretty much all freshmen in the backfield. Call me crazy – “You’re Crazy!” – but I think the folks who say “Get Eason on campus, get a few other guys here, and in 2017 we’ll look back on this and laugh,” may be right.

    Or we’ll be re-assessing again after another near miss. But since Richt isn’t going anywhere, we’re all pissing in the wind right now.

    GO DAWGS!

    Oh yeah: Fire Schotty.

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  41. Daniel Simpson Day

    I always considered it to be an Ineptocracy but I suppose a Rudderless Ineptocracy will do just fine. I just can’t believe that a 78k per week salary lets as much slip and continue to slip as Richt has. I’m glad he’s not a surgeon…

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  42. UGA85

    I respect people who don’t coach past their prime. I agree with the above that CMR ideally should step down. He is not effective, and his staying will make it very hard to attract top-flight assistants who want to innovate and win. Being this bad starts the “snowball/downhill” effect of cascading events, and I wish CMR would acknowledge that and move on.

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  43. ColoradoDawg

    Today we’re proud to present to the entire Georgia Football Team the 2015 Mark Richt Participation Trophies. In addition to these outstanding tokens of our appreciation, every member of the team from scout teamers and walk-ons all the way up to the coaching staff will receive orange slices and a hug from their Head Coach and Dad-in-Chief, Mark Richt. Well done, boys … you tried really, really hard and–really–isn’t that what it’s all about?

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  44. Bobby Bowden Syndrome

    Why are we having this discussion when the head coach consistently states ” his wins and losses will not define him”.

    Winning is just a nice-to-have by product of his personal goals and ambitions.

    Table this discussion until after 2019.

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  45. Irwin R. Fletcher

    I can’t wait until Richt gets promoted to AD, Pruitt takes a HC job at a mid-level school and Bobo is hired at the HC….I honestly think GTP might crash.

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  46. dudemankind

    Richt isn’t going anywhere anytime soon IMHO. I believe that we could lose out the remainder of the season and he will still be on the sidelines next year, and it isn’t only about the money. The thing is, last year we only lost 3 games and were competitive in all but one game (yeah, I know). They are going to let him stay around another year or two on that record alone. Many on here have even mentioned the new “3-year plan.” This is how people think when it comes to that guy. It blows my mind. Anyway, McGarity will want many more on-field negatives before putting his own neck on the line. If you take a shot at an entrenched coach like Richt, you had better not miss, and McGarity and Richt both know it. I do believe that overall now it is worse, program-wise, than many of his most ardent supporters think. I am hearing rumors of coaches arguing on the sidelines, etc. It could get ugly folks so be prepared. I will be in the stands Saturday though. I hope the game is at least entertaining, but dang, watching that offense is pretty depressing.

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    • Gurkha Dawg

      When you play “the Game of Head Coaches”, you either win or die.

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    • Dog in Fla

      Many on here have even mentioned the new “3-year plan.”

      Some particle experts think it’s too soon to mention the new “3-year plan” when we haven’t even finished accelerating the TRIUMF tractor beam of Building a Vision for the Future called for in the Third Five Year Plan

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    • BCDawg97

      I’m fine if RIcht was to walk away or be fired right now. If he stays, well, it’s out of my control so I’m not gonna get all worked up over it. I said the “3 year plan” as someone else mentioned – they are taking away all of Richt’s excuses for not winning. Is it the right move to wait? Who knows? Sort of like playing all the freshman on D now. Proof will be in the pudding in another 1-2 years 🙂

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  47. Derek

    First, lets get this out of the way: The coaching staff, the head coach in particular, are responsible for winning football games. They clearly aren’t getting it done. However, where I part ways with most here is both in the “why we are struggling” AND in the “what to do about it.”

    Taking these one at a time:

    The idea that Richt is either absentee or asleep at the switch: Does anybody really believe that CJP would have signed up had this been Richt’s reputation? This is a guy that called out his dad at age 10 in front of the team for poor play calling. I have every reason to believe that the atmosphere would be poisonous if for one second the defensive guys thought that the offensive guys were hanging their players out to dry. Moreover, CPJ took Richt’s side and basically called out the AD (one of two men that could hand him the head job at Georgia) over the IPF. I just don’t see that happening unless CPJ has full confidence in the head man. And, yes, I am a big believer in CPJ at every level: recruiting, game planning, coaching, fundamentals etc…

    The idea that Bauta was picked for his athleticism but then the offense was not designed to suit him: First, the idea that Bauta is some sort of other worldly athletic freak is and has always been a myth. He is no Manziel. He is no Tebow. He is no Cam Newton. He’s not that fast, not particularly quick an certainly not a big, strong kid. That he is more athletic than Mason or Lambert is not much of an endorsement. My belief is that Faton was chosen because Lambert had shown a total lack of metal toughness in the last three ballgames. I think that he had lost the confidence of the team and the coaches. The toss into traffic in the red zone that the Mizzou LB should have picked was probably a last straw. So I think in Faton the coaches saw a guy that at least has BALLS and the respect of his teammates. I also think that had they modified the offense to suit Faton’s “athletic prowess” things would have looked worse. Faton was not running through or around Florida’s defense. I will say again that I’ve thought all along that Brice should be playing. I don’t know why he isn’t. I know they aren’t going to tell us. I do hope its a good reason. I’ve disagreed with their choice all year. I’m not calling it a fire-able offense when I have no real inside info on Ramsay. He may be an entitled lazy prick and his teammates hate him. What do I know?

    The idea that the results we are seeing are the result of either poor game planning or poor play calling: My strong impression is that the team knows, as do I, that the chances of winning with the qb play, such as it is, is low. You can’t underestimate how difficult that is on other players to focus and play hard knowing that their efforts are likely for naught. The unfortunate thing is that the other 21 players have to be perfect when the QB is as bad as it is, but it is so very hard to get that “no margin for error” performance when they don’t have faith that it will pay off. That sort of mental malaise is a coaching issue to address for sure but not one that is very easy to solve. As far as the specifics of game planning and play calling, I saw much more poor execution than poor design or decision. I don’t know why Douglas thinks he can take on their ILB head on…twice. Play calls there were fine. I don’t know why Rome can’t catch. I don’t know why Davis tried and failed to catch the punt. I don’t know why Greg Pyke turned into a swinging gate. I did think that our tackles were way overrated by the fan base. Theus will be lucky to make it as a guard at the next level. Maybe a RT, but he’s no NFL level left tackle. Houston just isn’t very good. Yes, CMR has done a horrible job recruiting OL historically. Things seems to be going better though lately.

    In short what I see is more to do with atrocious QB play than any other factor. You put Murray on this team and its in ATL. And keep in mind that our qb play is not mediocre. Its beyond the pale. Faton Bauta would not start at any BCS level team in the country. Lambert couldn’t hold the job at Virginia. We didn’t want him out of hs. Ramsay was someone that everyone wanted but apparently isn’t somebody they want to start for whatever reason.

    Bottom line: things will get better and soon. Let’s just weather the storm and see what things look like once Eason is given the offense. I think we’ll be very pleasantly surprised. Don’t forget that we went 6-5 in 1979. Things can change and in a hurry. Sorry for not joining the bitch-fest Fire Richt and burn it all down crowd. It just doesn’t make good sense to do that.

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    • You think Aaron Murray could overcome the deficiency at OC!? I don’t think that anyone could.

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      • Charles

        His point is that it’s hard to judge the OC BECAUSE of the deficiency at QB. Your mileage may vary, but it’s a valid argument.

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        • No it’s not valid at all. It’s a defense of Richt because it’s a year one OC and no QB to work with. But who hired the Oc? Who recruited the QBs? Who manages the roster that we have now? If your argument is that Richt needs an NFL quarterback to field a good team, then you’re not offering much of a defense. That’s more damning than anything else.

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          • Derek

            Since its inception, (25 years) how many qb’s who weren’t drafted have won the SECCG?
            The answer is 5: Nick Marshall, Blake Sims, Andrew Zow, Jordan Jefferson and Terry Dean. That’s 1 out of 5. The other 20 were won by qb’s of enough quality to be drafted. In all five of our appearances in the SECCG we were led by a QB who was drafted. The other consistent thing in ALL 5 appearances? CMR.

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          • Charles

            All of the vitriol with none of the reading comprehension!

            You’ve got this weird fixation on Derek, and that’s fine. But, could you at least obsess over what he actually says in his comments? If you’re going to be that vitriolic towards the guy (and others), it’s the least you could do.

            “‘First, lets get this out of the way: The coaching staff, the head coach in particular, are responsible for winning football games. They clearly aren’t getting it done. However, where I part ways with most here is both in the ‘why we are struggling” AND in the “what to do about it.'”

            That’s hardly a defense. Moreover, that’s staring right at all of us from the first three sentences in his comment.

            Moreover… No… it’s not my argument (nor anyone else’s, for that matter) that Richt needs an NFL quarterback to field a good team. I’d refer you back to Derek’s post, but at this juncture what’s the point?

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      • Derek

        Just as Tom Brady won Super Bowls with Charlie Weiss, Murray would do just fine with Schotty. You find an OC that could get 2 inc. out Lambert vs. air in two games and I’ll believe that Schotty is the problem. I’ve never seen a bad player become great because of a coach. Never seen a great player turn bad because of a coach. Coaching is A factor. The player is THE factor. Our qbs are worse than they were in 1990. These guys are pushing Jeff Pyburn for most awful UGA QB evah!

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        • I think it is the OC/QB Coach’s job to make players better. If they can’t do that, at least put them in situations where they have the best chance to succeed. Have you seen that out of Schottenheimer? Has the offense gotten better or worse?

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          • Further–if QB talent could make or break your hire as OC–why would you take a job if the QBs were as bad as you claim?

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            • Derek

              Even assuming that such would matter to Schotty, I think everybody had a pretty good idea about Eason even at that point. They’ve also lined up the kid from McEachern behind him. This will pass…

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    • UGA85

      Since when did players dropping passes, not blocking, not finding holes, etc. not become the responsibility of the head coach? We have juniors and seniors who look like they have never received meaningful instruction. We have players labeled as “busts” and “recruiting misses” who were absolute studs in high school. Coaching matters! To not blame CMR for the abject failures in our program is inconceivable to me.

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      • Derek

        Read the first paragraph again. Twice if necessary.

        Also read this:
        http://www.iyhsports.com/uga/football/blogs/2015/11/1/disastrous-class-of-2013

        This issue isn’t where the responsibility lies. The issue is why we are where we are and what to do about it. It isn’t about absolution. Its about trying to take a mature, measured, logical approach to why we are where we are and the best course forward.

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        • UGA85

          Yes, I read all the paragraphs before I responded. And I completely disagree with you. Things won’t get better with this coach. Doing nothing and expecting recruits to save us is wishful thinking, IMO. Coaching does matter, and great players can be developed with instruction. I can’t expect more of Eason than I got with Stafford, Green, Moreno, etc.

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          • Derek

            Responsibility and blame are always a fine line here no doubt. I agree on where the responsibility lies I just don’t think that the right remedy, in the interests of the university, is firing. I just don’t see bad play calling, bad decision making by coaches etc. I see bad football. I see bad execution. The most glaring example is at qb. If I saw a lack of effort. If I saw a lack of giving the players even a chance to succeed I’d have a different position. I think the coaches are doing the best they can under the circumstances.

            If you read between the lines Richt’s message has been: our qb sucks so everybody has to dig in and play even harder and better. That’s just a tough damn sell to a team. It’s the absolute truth, but it’s just not as easy as we act like it is.

            Trying to get a qb to have self-confidence (required) and a team to have confidence in the qb (also required) when there’s no basis in reality for either ain’t easy. Yes you get paid millions to sort it out, but we can’t pretend you just change the name in the door and voilà!

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    • WTF does Paul Johnson have to do with anything?

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    • lakedawg

      Best level headed thought thru comment of the day Derek, agree completely with your take. And Jere Morehead feels the same.

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  48. Mayor

    Senator, I agree generally with your post but completely disagree that CMR will not be let go after this season. If the Dawgs “lose out” he’ll be history and I think there is a reasonably high probability that is going to happen. Even if they lose only 3 games he’s gone, particularly if they make the mistake of accepting a bowl bid and get waxed by a mediocre team in the bowl. I just don’t see this Dawgs team beating any Power 5 team at this point.

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  49. Bobby Bowden Syndrome

    So who does Eason throw the ball to? Steven Van Tiflin, Wyatt Payne or Charlie Hegedus? Just wondering out loud here. Minding my own business…

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  50. Uglydawg

    Well, I’ve pretty much read all of this thread and see that not one person has resorted to cussing out another here today!
    Now that IS progress.

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  51. I’ll give Derek Richt’s response since he’s noticeably absent from this so far –

    “You are all stupid. Richt isn’t going anywhere, Eason will be here next year and make you all look foolish after he leads us to four straight national titles. Praise be to Richt.”

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  52. If we lose to Southern, we best fire everybody that day.

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  53. TennesseeDawg

    I think the Senator has now created an article that will get every single person that knows about this site to comment. That being said, Richt is going nowhere. I just can’t see it happening.

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  54. Spike

    #%@&^%#! Uglydawg…:)

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  55. Scorpio Jones, III

    Where are the solutions to our problems? The Donald Trump solution (fire somebody, build a wall, yadda, yadda, yadda, may be fine for reality tv, but I read no solutions to this problem, no solutions to decisions Richt might make for the rest of the season. All I see is folks who want to fire somebody.

    You are certainly welcome to feel that way, but I want to know what is going to happen for the next four games. To our football team?

    Oh, wait, its supremely easy to fire everybody when you don’t have the responsibility for your decision. Now I understand.

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    • You’re being short sighted. This season is lost. It doesn’t matter what happens the next four games. What matters is what happens in the seasons to follow.

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      • Scorpio Jones, III

        Again, Chili, what matters to YOU may be the seasons to follow, but everybody here and there and everywhere simply does not feel that way.

        Please, all I ask is that you temper your comments by not including anyone but yourself in your agony.

        Thank you.

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        • Ok scorp, enlighten me. Exactly what is there left to play for? Because none of the players or coaches seemed to have an answer for that either.

          Serious question. What’s left to play for?

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          • Scorpio Jones, III

            I have no intention of getting into a debate with you. You obviously have a different opinion about the rest of the season than I do.

            Again, all I am asking, nicely, is that you do not include me in your everyone, everywhere statements.

            Thank you.

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      • Charles

        So, if the next four games don’t matter, are we free to assume that you won’t have anything to say about ’em?

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    • Biggus Rickus

      It depends on just how terrible the offense has gotten. It’s a valid question, since their complete meltdowns have come against the best defenses in the conference. There’s enough talent there to still beat the rest of the teams on the schedule if the defense doesn’t have a bad game. There’s also a chance that the offense has no confidence in anything and will continue the spiral. I expect them to lose to Auburn and probably either Kentucky or Georgia Tech.

      I honestly have no idea what they can do to fix anything at this point, but maybe with nothing to play for the rest of the season, the team will play looser and actually catch passes and what not? I mean, I’ve been on the Fire Richt train since last year, and even I didn’t expect what’s happened the last month.

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  56. MGW

    If Shottenheimer turns one of those guys consistently serviceable over the rest of the year and the offense starts to click, he’s got a chance to stay. If not, he’s probably gone fast.

    If the offense continues to sputter I don’t see Richt even having a choice.

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  57. Will Trane

    Read Brandon Sudge’s article in Sicemdawgs. Says Bauta is an immense talent and with a little more time he will show it.
    Are you kidding man! How long has he been in the program. 4 years. Ask Jeff Schultz his thoughts on that and his question to Mark prior to the Florida game.
    You had to see those two deep throws on the sideline to Mitchell. Want to put a clock on them for hang time.
    Good grief folks.I could have defended those throws.

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  58. Ed Kilgore

    Derek said one important thing I agree with: we cannot peer into any of the coaches’ or players’ minds so we might as well look at the results and go from there. A lot of the vague and asinine talk about program’s culture (“killer instinct,” etc.) is a thinly veiled plea for institutional psychosis and/or cheating. It’s probably as good a time as any for those of us who don’t want to become Bama or Barner East to speak up again. I do not want championships badly enough for that, and you shouldn’t, either.

    But here’s what I see: at the beginning of the year this team had several much-discussed strengths: (1) a world-class OL; (2) world-class RBs; (3) world-class pass rushers; and (4) after many years of struggle, good ST play.

    Beyond that, we all figured we had enough talented QBs to match Mason’s performance, and the defense would be as good as last year’s, without (we hoped) a disaster like the Florida game.

    Our perceived strengths have all vanished or proved to be illusory. The starting QB in the Florida game–again a season-defining game–threw as many INTs as Mason did the whole year. And we’re debating whether the defense is progressing or regressing.

    Add all that up, and it’s amazing we’ve just lost three games, though I guess with the cupcakes five was the theoretical maximum.

    I don’t know why Rome has forgotten how to catch passes or the tackles have forgotten how to block or Lorenzo Carter seems to have lost his demon. But it’s ridiculous to figure the players have all just had some sort of simultaneous breakdown in the ability to execute that happens to be growing more powerful each game. It’s up to the coaches to figure it out, and yes, they have a responsibility to talk to the fan base about it.

    I wasn’t ready to call for Schotty’s head until I watched his cliche-ridden press avail from Saturday. The Senator’s right: if the coaches are unable to articulate what they see as wrong in an obviously broken team, then either they don’t know what’s wrong or they are insulting us with all the coach-talk. That needs to change or of course we’ll all wind up pressuring the administration into making changes that might not be wise. If we could hear some honest admissions of specific errors–not just the vague BS about general accountability–then maybe we could be convinced that some combination of current coaches have what it takes to turn things around.

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    • UGA85

      We are a soft team. We are outmuscled by every good team we play. Our line play, especially on offense, is terrible. To change that, we need an attitude change at the top. Your negative references to Bama and Auburn are confusing to me. Do we not want a mean coach who actually yells? Do we not want a man who pursues excellence at every level of life? Being the best does not mean that one has sold his soul to the devil. In fact, it once meant the opposite: that you out-worked and outperformed your competition in an honest attempt to win a game. I am tired of the straw man argument of nice/loser vs. unethical, corrupt/winner. That is a trap of self-righteousness leading to failure.

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      • “Do we not want a mean coach that yells?” This is awfully straw-man-y for an anti-straw man post.

        I am pretty sure he meant finding a way to win with our ethics in tact. I’m guessing specifically he meant NOT gaming the grey-shirt and Medical Disqualification system as a way to have try-outs and cuts for kids promised schollies. Or shadily paying $190k for a QB. You know–practices fully supported at the Alabama schools and fan bases.

        Forgive me if I am putting words in your mouth Ed.

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        • UGA85

          Forgive me, but my point is that winning does not mean poor ethics, etc. Our pride in the “Georgia Way”, IMO, has become an acceptance of an underachieving program. Yes, the state of Georgia should have a championship caliber program. And yes, winning can be done the right way.

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        • Ed Kilgore

          No, you got the gist of it. It’s all too easy for some people to confuse excellence with every train running on time and then call for Mussolini.

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    • Cosmic Dawg

      Truly, even in August, I didn’t understand the optimism. You cannot replace Mike Bobo, Todd Gurley, Hutson Mason, David Andrews, Chris Conley, and Michael Bennett with the people we replaced them with and expect to maintain. (No, it wasn’t Chubb for Gurley, it was Marshall for Gurley)

      There was no position group on offense that even on paper was going to look better in 2015 than in 2014. This nightmare is something else, but a big drop shouldn’t have been a surprise. Part of what made Mason so good was he had the respect of the team.

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  59. A10Penny

    The team is underachieving, and has since ’05 other than the last 4-5 games of ’07 and ’12. The time has come and gone.

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  60. If you are the powers at BM you have to do a balance sheet, to get in the final decision on Richt future. In short, count the pluses and minuses.

    Pluses for Richt:
    1. Too expensive to replace him. + 4,000,000 for a replacement.
    2. Recruiting class is quite good with 3 top commits already having signed their financial aid package. This is very important, because if these 3 commits renege in their commitment, UGA gets sited for NCAA violation which BM and McGarity is surely trying to avoid.
    3 .Richt has been known to turn the team around even after that dismal 2010 season and loss to CSF.
    4. The reason why this season seem so bad, the losses came one after another (so close together).
    5. We need to await any leaks form BM if any big money donors is leaving Richts camp. Just a guess out from the air + 5,000,000
    6. Ran a relatively immaculate program with no personal extracurricular activities that are potentially embarrassing.
    7. Excellent model for young men who really want a concerned coach on their side. Previously voted by coaches to whom they would like their sons play for.

    Minuses:
    1. 3 losses so close together. Offense with new OC and QB coach who appears clueless. -1,000,000
    2. Poor special team preparation.
    3. Did not achieve goal to reach the Georgia Dome. -1,000,000
    4. Appears hands off on the offensive plan— My take, What if BS was actually a recommendation of BM powers? Or as I said in my earlier post, BS daddy likes his son not interfered on.

    Conclusion, not enough as of November 2, 2015 to fire Mark Richt for this mess. Not yet anyway. There are more significant losses in the BM’s point of view than that of the fans. Fans just like to win therefore fire whoever because they will not lose millions, BM can lose millions in the bottom line with a wrong decision. Therefore they will have to weigh more cautiously the pluses and minuses.

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    • The truth be told, if the fans can determine Coaches futures, any team can have a potentially different coach every other losses.

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    • A10Penny

      It IS expensive, but t’s not TOO expensive to replace him. AU and Florida replace coaches left and right, and they’re doing fine financially despite having less revenue than UGA. And how much would revenues go up if the team was meeting expectations and/or exceeding them? I don’t know the answer, but it would certainly help offset the cost.

      The fact the losses came so close together may factor in for some, but last year the losses weren’t as packed, but were just as bad, IMO.

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  61. heyberto

    Late to the party on this, I don’t have a lot to offer that’s different from what everyone else is probably saying, but here’s what I guess I’m not hearing a lot of. Richt’s down teams have always seemed alarmingly bad, but always seem to find a way back to respectability, just not necessarily in the same season. I’m hard pressed to say I thought we’d be good this year when I heard a 2nd stringer from UVA won the job… and admittedly, I got my hopes up with the SC win. After Bama I thought… well, we’re not that good and after UT, I didn’t expect UF would be a win by any measure, so the sudden backlash was moderately surprising to me. Must be how we lost, which was bad, sure… but at this point, it wasn’t surprising and while coaching didn’t help us, I just don’t feel as if we would’ve won… at the end of the day, I don’t know what to think and I’m shocked that the UGA braintrust will throw the program into turmoil this season, and those rumors are starting to swirl. I have little confidence we’ll make a slam dunk hire. It’s tough to be a fan right now, though and I do wish we could all take a deep breath and just calm the hell down right now. If recruiting holds, I’m not too worried about Richt’s ability to lead a good team. We’ll see.

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    • Scorpio Jones, III

      Yo, Heyb…when has it NOT been tough to be a Georgia fan? 80-83? Damn if I thought that was easy, went up to Clempson and I thought the whole world had ended. Lucky my seats were pretty low to the ground so I could not jump off. And Penn State? Oh sweet Jesus, I still have nightmares about Walker Lee Ashley.

      But I never gave up on the football team, never hoped they would lose so my latest coach replacement fantasy would come true.

      It has never been easy being a Dawg fan, never. You just have to hunker down and do that thing I am suspicious of, there…you know, that hope thingy?

      You have to man up and be a damn Dawg, win, lose or draw.

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  62. athensandy

    So the AJC writers roll out their weekly clickbait toll articles

    “Mark Richt cannot turn it around”

    Really, he can, he has, that’s a fact.

    2010 & 2011.

    Can someone explain why this is so hard for some to understand?

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    • @gatriguy

      Go back and look at 2011 again. Richt got punked by the 4 best coaches he faced….again. It’s over, he can’t cover it up with talent this year.

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