A fine mess: about the boosters

Holy mother of crap – this article indicates things are moving much faster away from Richt than I thought.

And while Georgia’s defense has played relatively well — the Bulldogs are fifth in the SEC in total defense (321 ypg) and second against the pass (183) — defensive coordinator Jeremy Pruitt is not above reproach. According to more than one source close to the program, Pruitt increasingly has been the source of friction not only within the football office but throughout the athletic department.

Pruitt denied having run-ins with fellow coaches, as has been asserted, but declined comment.

Richt was asked Tuesday if he had been dealing with disharmony or dissension on his coaching staff. He did not forcefully deny it.

“Not really,” he said. “You know … there’s always things that happen in the heat of the battle and all that in every game. I think if you put a microphone on everybody, if you’ve got a play-caller upstairs and you’re calling a game and every word was recorded, you know, there would be like people get hot about this, that or the other. But it’s just typical game-day type stuff. But we’ve had no issue there.”

Obviously, any and all dysfunction falls at the feet of Richt. One of his strengths — being easy to work for — is turning into a weakness, say some sources close to the program. They worry that Richt has not moved quicker to quell the dissension, or to make structural moves to fix the offense, such as moving Schottenheimer to the press box during games, or taking over play-calling himself, or giving it to someone else on the staff. Richt called plays the first six seasons of his tenure before handing off those duties to Bobo.

That’s a lot of background chatter directed to members of the media, more than I’ve ever seen, from insiders.  It’s McGarity, the man who gave that infamous interview to Mark Bradley last year, who’s tight-lipped.

This isn’t to say Richt’s gone, but no doubt there are battle lines being drawn over his future.

Meanwhile, Richt’s support has dwindled considerably among individuals who are intimately connected to the program through financial support and/or past or current service.  The level of discontent among them with regard to Richt in wake of the Florida game is “very high,” according to one source. Some longtime Richt advocates flipped afterward.

That said, there is no immediate movement afoot to initiate a change at the top. Among those who most loyally support the program, Richt is given credit for his 15 years of mostly good work and exemplary representation as the face of the football team. They take into account the fact that Richt has won at a higher rate than almost any other coach UGA at a time when SEC football is more competitive than it has ever been.

It’s one thing to read that kind of stuff in a blog comment thread.  It’s another to hear it from the people who supposedly have some degree of juice inside Butts-Mehre. From them, it’s an effort to work the refs, i.e., McGarity and Morehead. That’s not good for Richt.  But you know what?  It’s probably worse for the program.

This isn’t going to work out well, I’m afraid.  No matter what Richt’s fate may be.

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  1. You know I said it awhile ago – I don’t know why some think that the big money boosters live on a different plane of oblivion where they don’t have any of the same feelings as the rest of us little money people who post online. That this info is now in the press just tells me that the discontent has reached critical mass and we may be a lot closer to seeing the end of Richt than we thought.

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  2. Biggus Rickus

    Given the number of comments around the interwebs from people who say they were ardent Richt supporters who are finally fed up, I don’t know why it’s that surprising that some of his support with the powerful boosters has dried up as well. They’re fans just like us plebs.

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  3. Raleigh St. Claire

    Why is it necessarily worse for the program? The program is in horrendous shape right now?

    New energy and a new voice could be GREAT for the program. New energy and a new voice did wonders in 2001.

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    • Derek

      Well that and David Greene. I’m sure that it’s because of CMR that David did so well and also because of CMR that our current crop of qbs suck and that some new coach could get 10 wins out of one of these three stiffs.

      The biggest reason Donnan lost his job? Quincy carter. The biggest reason CMR started so well? David Greene.

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      • TennesseeDawg

        Donnan got canned because he couldn’t beat our rivals. Richt hasn’t been doing that either lately

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      • The only thing I can say is that I think you would be spot on, if it were just a case of poor qb play dooming us. But we are just so unsound in so many facets of the game. It’s the same special teams blunders costing us again and again. And a failure to recruit properly in terms and talent and numbers on the offensive line. So even if we get better qb play, I’m afraid it still won’t make up for other deficiencies.

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        • Derek

          We aren’t perfect everywhere that’s for sure. I do think we’re good enough to win. I also recognize that there’s been a mix of both poor recruiting and bad luck on the o-line. I do think the trend has been promising. Put it this way. With Murray on this team were talking about the seccg and playoffs, not firing the coach. I really believe that it’s that big of difference here. This is a damn good team overall with one huge glaring weakness.

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          • I think you are correct in that a transcendent offensive player can make the difference between a 3 to 4 loss team and an sec champion (i’m thinking about someone like Cam Newton for example). But even when we had studs like murray and stafford, their immense talent and dedication still was not enough to overcome the other deficient areas of the team. Some of that was not on Richt, if you consider him to be absolved in terms of responsibility for defensive performance. For example, our defense played poorly under martinez while stafford was there and then poorly for much of the first half of 12 and the entirety of 13 under grantham (I’ll give him a pass on 10 as they were installing a new system).

            But I just can’t get over our inability to recruit the talent and numbers along the lines of scrimmage (granted I do agree this appears to be improving) and our seeming inattention to detail or stubborn unwillingness to change the issues on special teams.

            I’ve just lost faith that we can ever really overcome these issues under the current leadership.

            I wish I still believed that Mark was they guy for us. But I’m just getting so tired of trying to rationalize things that just aren’t working.

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            • and to clarify, when I saw “overcome”, I’m just referring to winning an SEC title, not a natty. I just want us to win the SEC. A natty would just be wonderful, but I think that standard it too subject to things outside our control to judge a coach’s success or failure on

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              • Derek

                It’s true that there have been times when we’ve had really good players in some places and glaring faults in others. It’s also true that we’ve been inexplicably non-competitive in too many games. The slaughter at Brice Williams and the 2007 UT loss being among the most glaring. The losses this year may seem like those but they really aren’t. I do think that the trend of the roster has been up the last two years. We’ve just been really bad at qb.

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                • I guess maybe the perception as to whether these losses are the same or different is at the heart of the divide about Richt. Those that are ready to move on see the losses as just more data points showing that Richt is not capable of fielding a championship team anymore in his career. Others see things as improving, but that Richt needs more time to build.

                  It’s just that after 10 years of the same type of excuses it becomes fatiguing. At a certain point, that fatigue drives a wedge. I’m sad to see it happening to our fan base. I remember the good years when most everyone (who is sane) was happy with the job Richt was doing.

                  I was a sophomore at UGA when Richt took over. I was there for the great early years and then was in grad school during the Stafford years. I wish things could go back to the old days, but I fear they never will.

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    • So you think booster infighting will help? Sorry if I don’t share your excitement about that. I’ve seen too many programs paralyzed by that kind of crap.

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      • Raleigh St. Claire

        I think pushing for change when change is needed is a good thing. It looks the program already is paralyzed.

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      • Losing paralyzes the program. Losing paralyzes fan support and recruitment. To me, booster infighting is just part of the natural death spiral. Conflict among boosters sadly, is probably par for the course. I suspect there will be much more conflict before it is all said and done.. especially with a Coach like Richt who people feel passionately about. And no, I don’t expect it to help anything.

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        • Raleigh St. Claire

          The source of all of the program’s problems right now is the product on the field, which lies at the coach’s feet.

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      • That is a serious fear. It would be an embarrassment for our school. I think one thing I’m sensing from reading comments, talking to fans, listening to radio, etc. is that a lot of people are just getting really tired. It’s exhausting to go back and forth on this. Booster infighting would make things even more fatiguing. I think there needs to be some clear direction one way or another.

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  4. UGA85

    CMR’s passive, CEO style is coming back to bite him in this moment of crisis. Why hasn’t he taken charge? Why has CBS been allowed ongoing control of the offense? Decisive, focused, intense leadership by CMR was needed, likely going back to the Bama fiasco. CJP is likely tired of this laid back response to failure. I don’t blame him and just hope he somehow can stay during the turmoil to come.

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      Pruitt’s got 3 championship rings. He’s worked his butt off after taking on a job that was in disarray. He’s not the type to sit back and let Richt make trash out of all his hard work and his bright future prospects.

      My suggestion: kick Richt upstairs somewhere – like he did with guys like Eason and Van Halanger. Then let Pruitt take over as HC, who in turn can make his own hire for OC.

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      • @gatriguy

        Fran let it slip a little on C&C yesterday: Pruitt is gone. The bloom is off that rose. If he gets any D-1 HC offer or if another huge program come sniffing, he’s taking off.

        It’s stunning how quickly this has happened, but I honestly don’t think any of this is new. I think the 2013 season and staff was just as Fubar, ditto 2009.

        The difference is that Richt’s roster management has finally bit them in the ass at the same time that the schedule sandwiched tough games to the point that there isn’t enough talent to cover it all up.

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  5. Mike Cooley

    This is why I’ve rolled my eyes when people here have said, “Richt is not going to be fired. He will still be here next year and no changes will be made. It can’t be done. It’s too expensive. Etc.”. Nobody who said those things as if that was the last word on the subject had any idea as to whether or not Richt would be fired. It looks like there is a whole lot more weariness of the same old same old than some were willing to believe. One thing is for sure. These are interesting to,ex to be a UGA fan.

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    • Biggus Rickus

      I think most expected Richt to pull things together enough to not be embarrassed by an offensively limited Florida team and win 3 of these last four. I don’t think most people were prepared for just how bad it seems to have gotten.

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      • Mike Cooley

        Maybe. But to me that Tennessee game was the canary in the coal mine. I know Nick went down but that did t explain that epic collapse.

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        • Mike Cooley

          Also, who here saw the events of last December coming? Nobody. So how could they speak with such certainty about Richt’s future?

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        • Biggus Rickus

          True, but it wasn’t unprecedented. A similar thing happened in ’06, and they managed to be competitive with a similar Florida team later in the year. Granted, ’06 was a long time ago.

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  6. AusDawg85

    Just waiting for McG to give Richt his “full support” comment, then we’ll know the end is near.

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  7. JN

    Obviously, the things being insinuated about Pruitt could be a negative. But am I the only one who thinks they could just as well be a positive, depending on the situation.

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    • Mike Cooley

      Agree. I may be wrong but I read that as Pruitt not being as tolerant of the stuff Richt does that doesn’t work as everyone else and being vocal about it. Pruitt is a hot head and we know he doesn’t mind speaking up.

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    • Biggus Rickus

      Possibly. I’d give him more… credit, I guess? if his defense hadn’t regressed a little bit as well this season.

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      • The Truth

        Yeah, I’d like to see JP funnel some of that aggression into teaching his team how and expecting them to tackle well.

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      • Other than the UT debacle, I feel like they have played better overall this year, than last year. Again, outside of UT, we haven’t had a game quite like the Florida game last year, the first half of the USCe game, and the tech game. It seems like the defense has a plan at least. Also, I know maybe talent is not equal, but look how the starting transfer Ganus, who it can be said is the qb on that side of the ball, has played as opposed to Lambert, who has regressed as the season has gone on

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        • Biggus Rickus

          I wasn’t arguing that he’s a worse coach than Schottenheimer. He just hasn’t done anything that makes me think he’s an awesome defensive coordinator. He’s done mostly okay. You’re also forgetting the Alabama game and the very average pass defense we saw leading up to that game. Shutting down Missouri, who might have the worst offense I’ve ever seen in the SEC, and containing Florida for three quarters isn’t particularly impressive.

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          • I’m not saying at all that you meant he is worse than Schotty. I was commenting on the concept of regression. I just haven’t seen how we have regressed on defense. I see Pruitt coaching up young kids, some of whom were not highly touted coming out of high school (Sanders comes to mind) or came from a lower tier program. I’m comparing this to watching an offense that appears to be sliding downward.

            The main thing I want to see on Saturdays is that it looks like we are getting the most out of what our players have to offer. Those kids work really hard and it’s a shame to see them put in situations where they are not likely to succeed.

            In regards to the BAMA and Florida games, I got the feeling in both, that the defense held up as long as the could and then after the offense couldn’t support them, they collapsed.

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            • I should also note that there is one thing that the eventual defensive “collapses” share in all three of the losses this season. They were all preceded by disastrous special teams plays: the blocked punt against BAMA, the Michel fumble on the kick return against UT, and the muffed punt against Florida.

              When our defense keeps getting placed in positions where they are able to hold, but then we give up points or put them in a terrible position, I at least have a reason as to why they may be failing. I don’t think it excuses bad tacking like we saw against UT, but there are other factors at work.

              But, to the original point, I just don’t believe I’ve seen evidence of regression out of the defensive unit this year.

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              • Biggus Rickus

                I think some players in the secondary who improved over the course of last season were worse this year, Sanders especially. Maybe Swann was an important cog that held he secondary together in pass defense last year, but you’d think some of the guys who have been in the system a year would make fewer mental mistakes. Also, by advanced metrics, it has regressed. from 17th to 30th. I think that’s largely because they’ve forced fewer turnovers, but still.

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  8. Dog in Fla

    What really matters is who’s riding shotgun with Mark in his pickup

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  9. Granthams replacement

    This is like the end of the Goff and Donnan coaching careers. OC is gone Nov. 30th. OL coach could go with him. WR and OLB coaches groups have not performed as expected also. 3+ losses everyone is canned, other wise the OC is the scapegoat and Richt gets the 1 year vote of confidence.

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  10. Scorpio Jones, III

    “But you know what? It’s probably worse for the program.” No truer words have you ever spoke, Bluto.

    If there is going to be a change, the folks who make those decisions already know what direction they are going.

    It is time for the president or whoever wants to be the front man for the program to step up to the plate. Fish, or cut bait..the longer the waffling goes on the more damage is done.

    One of the worst things the powers that be at Tennessee did was to waffle about firing Phil for two years.

    It was a stupid decision, but you can’t leave the football team hanging…everybody on the team, all the coaches knew Phil was in trouble, yet they drug it out, and drug it out.

    Horrendous

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    • Biggus Rickus

      The worst decision Tennessee made was hiring Lane Kiffin. His recruiting nonsense and leaving after one season forced them to hire someone like Dooley, who ran the program into the ground.

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    • No Country 4 Old Dawgs

      The article lays out that the offense being in disarray and any dissension within staff ranks needs to be handled directly by Coach Richt. I mean is Richt’s hand being forced here to reclaim play calling duties? With the potential of having to terminate a hire made less than a year ago? How much of this is conditional in protecting Richt’s own position? And how much of the dissension is simply Pruitt’s dissatisfaction with the offense staff’s approach to fixing it vs. another long time offensive assistant’s dissatisfaction with Schottenheimer’s overall performance as O.C.?? All of which sounds very far off from the typical ‘Georgia Way’ of dealing with in season issues, and may portend to a potential rudder to UGA’s ship…an uncomfortable Richt.

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  11. @gatriguy

    Something is going on with Pruitt. I’m not sure if it’s a Fulmer/Majors situation, if he’s just disgusted by how soft the program is, or if he’s just an insufferable asshole, but here is too much smoke for something to not be going bad.

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    • Granthams replacement

      The softest is killing him – “we lose 7-3” screams the OC sucks.

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    • Well hell yeah there is. He is probably furious. Expecting a 17-20 point cushion for his young D–should not be a tall ask.

      The glaring lack of offense has made the defense look worse than it should. Everybody has been on some kind of team with that one dumbass that made the whole team look bad. Its frustrating.

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  12. Mike Cooley

    Pruitt is definitely an asshole. But hes an asshole that really, really cares about winning football games. I’m not saying he needs to be HC. I’m just saying I like his approach a lot better than Richt’s.

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    • Chadwick

      I agree. He’s an asshole, but he’s digging like a mothrrfucker to make his unit better. The other side of the ball braintrust is scratching their balls and asking for patience. Pruitt is fed up with Richt’s nonchalance attitude to his job. I don’t blame him. Richt had handle this like a pussy.

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  13. sniffer

    I think the only consideration the power brokers and administration have is, “if we keep him, can Mark Richt turn this around?”

    Nothing I’ve heard from him tells me he has it in him. As much as I hate it, I’ve lost faith in his ability to turn it around.

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  14. ASEF

    Into a leadership vacuums steps… chaos.

    This is a huge test for McGarity and Morehead. Increasingly it looks like McGarity pulled back from the program to allow Richt and Co to assume more control and have more say – and the car drove straight into a ditch.

    And yes, the ditch was twice as wide and four times deeper than it would had been with a servicable QB.

    Off-field fireworks. It’s not just for Internet chat rooms anymore.

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  15. Granthams replacement

    The “power brokers” have less and less power every year as the SEC network $$$ grows. The TV money is now greater that the ticket sales and donations. Its not like the influencers to hire Goff when the budget was 1/3 of the 2015/2016 revenue.

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    • No One Knows You're a Dawg

      This is something I’ve wondered about.

      In this golden age of gushing television revenue, giving a couple million dollars to the athletic department you’d think just wouldn’t carry the same weight it used to. “Great, thanks. We’ll throw it on the pile.”

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      • Will (The Other One)

        Wasn’t the infamous booster check cut when Donnan was fired in the $200,000 range? You can’t even buy a QB for that money now, right Auburn?

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  16. Will Trane

    Pruitt is very good.
    Finebaum and SI writer think McGarity will look SEC West, Mullen.
    Lot happening with this many names.
    Many of us t think Right is gone.

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    • lakedawg

      There you go again with us. Just speak for yourself, you know about as much as fine sum and SI and they are not very knowledge vile.

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    • adam

      I wouldn’t be even slightly surprised to know that Mullen wants to be the HC at Georgia.

      But I was take my chances with Justin Fuente, Tom Herman, Kirby Smart, or Sonny Dykes before I hired Dan Mullen.

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  17. SOGA Dawg

    I have no idea how to solve this problem. I do know that we should be able to compete with Other strong programs East and West. The money’s there, the facilities are either there or are being built. This is not just a football problem. Basketball and Baseball should be better also but they aren’t!! Why?? My point is that maybe our problems are above the coach level??? Just a thought… Go Dawgs!!!!

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  18. Chadwicj

    I read that article and it sounds like everyone is finally getting on the same page in regards to Richt.

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  19. I don’t know Leebern or the BM insiders but I went to high school with the kid of Jim Nalley of the car dealership empire and have heard people say he’s a big money guy. If father is anything like son then he’s not someone that is exactly an academic or even worried about the “Georgia way” and I’d bet there’s more guys out there like him than you’d think.

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  20. I’m actually disappointed to hear the speculation about Pruitt but in any organization if you don’t have a strong leader the underlings infight among themselves.

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    • Bulldog Joe

      Of everyone, Pruitt and Lambert have the biggest justifiable reasons to be pissed after that debacle.

      Good to hear Pruitt is asserting himself.

      I expect Lambert is asserting himself on the practice field instead of the media, which is good as well.

      Pulling for both of them to lead us to a win this weekend.

      Win or lose, what needs to happen will happen.

      Jere and Greg are on it and are wisely not including the media.

      Go Dawgs.

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  21. Richt is done

    Richt has got to go right now and promote Pruitt to interim HC and officially name him HC at the end of the season.

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  22. IAmAChubbyMan

    “This isn’t to say that Richt is gone.”

    Lmao. Of course he is gone. He is a zombie. A blind homer to the very end, you are.

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  23. Baitstand

    The toothpaste seems to be out of the tube.

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  24. Will Trane

    Pruitt is only coach on that staff not worried about a job.
    How many teams would want him? Many.
    He may be too strong for some but he is building his side.
    If you want to call someone a name it is Richt.
    He drug this program around long enough.
    He has caused the situation.
    He should go.

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    • Normaltown Mike

      Richt’s gotta drug problem?

      Holy shit.

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      • lakedawg

        WT will make up any thing he can to show his hatred for CMR and Dawg program. Probably some sissy kid thinking he is big shit hid behind his keyboard.

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        • I’m fairly certain that the fine gentleman who runs this blog asked us nicely to stop this kind of name calling just the other day. So, can we move on past the name calling and actually have an intelligent conversation on matters of substance.

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  25. Derek

    Sterling Bailey: “I’m not interested in what outside people have to say. They’re not in the locker room or drawing up X’s and O’s. Until they show me they have something football worthy to say, I’m not listening to it.”

    Can we add “football worthy” to the lexicon. I like it. Far too few “football worthy” comments around here. In fact, it should be aspirational for all future comments. First ask is it “football worthy?”

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  26. Obvious

    What is the hold up? Question to be answered is, can Richt win a natty? It is obvious that he won’t and he can’t. Then what is the hold up? it is time to move on and fire him.

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    • Derek

      How close/far away from one do you have to have been to know the answer to that? I know one thing for sure, the HC we have will have been closer to any natty than the next HC at UGA. Bank on that.

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      • dawgman3000

        And you know this how? What sort championship has Richt won recently for you to believe Richt is any closer to winning anything meaningful in the near future? We all post our OPINIONS here and your OPINION that Richt will any kind of championship is just that, your OPINION.

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        • Derek

          There is no “future” in my post nor “opinion.” The fact is that he’s been close. His replacement, today, tomorrow, ten years from now will not have been as close to a natty as CMR. That’s just the truth. We aren’t getting a replacement who either has a ring or been on the verge as a head coach. It’s truth. Try and handle it. Never said CMR WILL win a natty in the future. The question is why do we think “coach X” has a better shot at it when we know CMR has been closer than his replacement will have been?

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  27. Mike Cooley

    It is really giving you ass burn isn’t it Derek? Take your Midol.

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    • Derek

      This is not “football worthy.”

      Besides I’ve seen plenty of people get all rah-rah behind something very stupid. Like Iraq. Fucking stupid. I pointed it out then. I’ll point out that I was right now. I can’t help but try to stop stupid people from doing things that aren’t in their best interests. It’s a little frustrating but it’s really kind of fun to see just how painfully dumb people can be and how they are capable of being jackasses and perhaps occasionally funny, but have a total inability to form cogent, rational arguments about practically anything. So thanks for checking but my ass is fine, my fingers are healthy and ready to go!

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      • Mike Cooley

        Yeah I bet you hope this all goes down just like you’ve said it should in all these many dissertations you’ve written here while telling us how smart you are. Otherwise it’s all going to be just as embarrassing for you as it has been to us for you.

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        • Derek

          I’m not like chili and do not put my interests above the people who are actually impacted by the success and failure of the football team. I am simply stating, for better or worse, what I think is in the best interests of the program. I, personally, am irrelevant. What is important is the future of the program, not my opinions. If I thought I could say the opposite of what I think and we’d win out, I’d gladly do it.

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  28. myredscooter

    The AJC is about 1 thing; clickbait articles that sensationalize
    The AJC has no inside sources
    The AJC has never broken one big news piece about UGA football that proved to be true
    Not 1 ex-football UGA icon has spoken out and said Richt has to go (this is the #1 indicator of a real hotseat, unprompted tweets)
    Rumors had Richt getting fired after the Bowl game, instead he got a raise
    Were Richt to get fired, he’ll make a cool mill a year for several years. So he’s not going to resign. He sleeps like a baby.
    If Richt were going to fired, he wouldn’t have made it through going 6-7 in 2010.
    Urban Meyer after he lost his Qb, went 7-5 in 2010, losing 31-6 to Bama, only scoring 7 against Miss St & Fl St, got blown out by S Caro 36-14. So he faked a heart attack, and migrated to a much easier conference and schedule. Brantley was awful in 2010, throwing more int’s than td’s. Got so bad, the tight end played Qb, Reed, but could barely complete 50%. Meyer was 86th in offensive scoring vs ranked teams that year. If it can happen to Urban Meyer, any coach can have a bad year.

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  29. lakedawg

    Hang in there Derek, hard to argue with a bunch of kids with a key board. They have no knowledge other than what the AJC posts, and do not give a crap about the Dawg program.

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    • dawgman3000

      Oh so I guess you are an insider yourself with access to the B-M crowd and they told you that everything is OK and on the up & up

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  30. myredscooter

    Look at Les Miles, I guess he sucks too.

    2014
    Lost 41-7 Auburn
    13 against Alabama
    0 against Arkansas

    Went 7-5.

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    • I understand your point, aside from the fact that Les has won a natty and played for another one when we have never been, but….

      This isn’t about other schools. We need to be asking ourselves if Richt is the best person to coach UGA going forward. If we compare past records, I’d be happy to take Richt’s compared to Miles’, but this is about our future.

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      • myredscooter

        I see your point but, if you’re right,

        Bob Stoops sucks too

        He went 8-0 vs unranked teams
        and went 0-4 vs ranked teams in 2014.

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        • That’s simply the same argument in different clothes. I would love to engage in an analysis of why Richt is the best option for us going forward. So that I’m not hiding the ball, I’ll tell you what I’m thinking:

          We have problems on offense (mainly offense line) that have been present for most years since Donnan’s recruits phased out.

          We have issues on special teams that seem to be systemic and Richt appears to lack the willingness to properly address them (he is competent to do so, but I believe his strong will, which is also one of his great assets, is blinding him to doing what it would take to fix the problem) I think the senator has covered these types of issue many times over the years on this blog.

          There are other issues in recruiting numbers at certain positions, but I actually feel like that’s improving, so I would have hope there.

          But I think my main problem is that I just don’t think we get the most out of the players we have and we are not sound. I just want to see us be sound to the point where we make other teams beat us. Not lose by beating ourselves.

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          • myredscooter

            systemic? do you know what that words means? this team finished in top 5 in 2012, and top 10 in 2014? Systemic issues? Huh?

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            • Ok, fine. What does a top 5 finish and a top ten finish have to do with special teams issues?

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              • myredscooter

                What does special teams have to do with anything, Richt’s topped Saban in field goal % the last 3 years. Are you saying Saban sucks?

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            • Since I am a little slow, I took the time to look up the word systemic:

              of or relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part

              If you can characterize the repeated failures on special teams over the years as anything other than systemic, well, you win the prize.

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              • myredscooter

                When people say Richt has systemic issues, yet he had great years recently in offense, special teams, and defense, they do not understand the word. If it’s systemic, it would reoccur every year. No way a coach with “systemic’ issues finishes in the top 5 in 2012, and top 10 in 2014. no way. I don’t deny he’s having a tough year SO FAR. Still COULD end up 10-3 in the top 20.

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          • myredscooter

            can’t develop talent? why does he send more guys to the NFL than almost anyone?

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            • Because he is a good coach. He does develop talent. I don’t think we are able to get the most out of that talent though of late.

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              • myredscooter

                ok, he can develop NFL talent, but can’t help guys reach their potential? Got it.

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                • What exactly does developing NFL talent in 5 % of the players on a college football team have to do with getting the most out of an entire team during a college football game. This is exhausting.

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                • myredscooter

                  So, your theory is that although Richt send more guys into the NFL than virtually any other coach, he can’t develop potential? Really, that’s your theory? Have you seen how AJ is doing, and Stafford, and Gurley, etc?

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                • I understand your point here, but I don’t think it’s the proper argument to be making about why we should keep Richt. The ultimate goal is to win games and to get an SEC championship. If that means a high finish in the polls/play off berth, that’s great too. Developing NFL talent is not the purpose of UGA football. We’re not a farm team for the league.
                  The players you name are interesting because every single one of them is an otherworldly talent. Mel Kiper (your mileage may vary on him, but he’s been doing this for a while) had Stafford as an NFL talent in high school. He was only in Athens for 3 years. Not exactly the amount of time you usually think that it takes to develop a quarterback. AJ and Gurley were also here 3 years, both missing time due to suspension that they might otherwise used to “develop”. This did not seem to lessen their draft status.
                  How about other players who were not as noteworthy while at UGA, but found success later in the NFL? Geno Adkins and Charles Johnson come to mind.
                  Maybe a better recent example of your argument would be a guy like David Andrews. He might be an example of development.

                  I guess the real problem I’m having is this seems to be so black and white with your arguments here. I’m trying to engage in a rational discussion on the blog, but it just keeps devolving into a numbers game. sigh.

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                • myredscooter

                  you’re the one who said the main issue is developing talent and potential. Richt is a pipeline to the NFL. I don’t see how your theory make much sense unless you think you are much smarter than the NFL guys at accessing talent, because they love to draft guys Richt coaches.

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                • and by the way, can you name a particular player we “developed” into an NFL talent who didn’t have NFL talent to start with.

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                • myredscooter

                  David Pollack.

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                • JTP

                  Too stupid; didn’t read.

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          • myredscooter

            Oh, your issue is not beating ourselves? Richt finished #4 in 2014 in turnover margin, #22 in 2012, #19 in 2010, no ‘systemic’ issues there either, if that’s your thing, Richt’s your guy.

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        • And I’d rather have either of those schools’ records, along with their national titles.

          Your point?

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  31. myredscooter

    Gary Patterson must suck too.

    2012 went 7-6
    2013 went 4-8
    scored 7 against Texas
    scored 10 against Tex Tech
    scored 10 against Ok St
    88th in scoring offense.

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    • He doesn’t suck. And neither does Mark Richt. He is a great coach and a great man. A class act and a true leader. One of the finest coaches UGA, or the SEC at large, has ever seen. I love Richt and wish things were different. But something feels broken at UGA. It just feels different than a simple bump in the road on the way to future success.

      Something feels different about that Florida loss. I can’t quite put it into words, but it just feels like it’s over for Richt at UGA. 15 years is a long time

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      • myredscooter

        interesting, a coach who finishes in the top 5 in 2012, and top 10 in 2014, should be ‘over’. Got it.

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        • I’m not concerned about where we finish in a poll. I’m concerned about fielding a team that gets the most out of the best players that we can recruit and retain at our school. When I say it’s over for Richt, I meant that I’m concerned he is not showing the capability to get the absolute most out of our guys. That’s all you can ask of a coach. Not specific win totals.

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          • myredscooter

            not concerned where we finish in a poll? Huh? for real? sure seem to be complaining a lot.

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            • A poll is someone else’s opinion of the quality of our team. It’s perception, just as we both have a perception of the team’s overall quality. My point is that the best we can actually hope for and all that can truly be controlled is to get the best that we can out of our team using the available resources to us. It would seem natural that getting the best out of UGA would likely lead to a high place in the polls that you keep referencing.

              I think we are capable of better than what we have seen on the field.

              Maybe we could phrase this discussion with a different question: Elaborate and explain why you think Richt is the best person to lead UGA forward. What makes you think that he will be able to delver the best that UGA is capable of?

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          • myredscooter

            AJ Green just made a scholarship donation. He obviously disagrees with you.

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    • Biggus Rickus

      It’s almost like Gary Patterson built the TCU program up from nothing, to the point they were accepted into a P5 conference in 2012, and then he had a few growing pains for a couple of years before nearly making the college football playoff last year and being 8-0 this year. Perfect comparison.

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  32. myredscooter

    Spurrier must suck too.

    He went 6-6 in 2014, 1-3 vs ranked teams

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    • You’ve made your point, see above. If you want to actually engage in a productive conversation about UGA’s future, that would be great. If not, this isn’t a fun game to play.

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      • myredscooter

        I guess Saban sucks, because in Saban’s 1st 15 years as a Head Coach, he only finished in the top 10 6x, where richt has done it 8x.

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  33. Obviously if you don’t believe that Richt is UGA’s personal lord and savior then you are stupid or a kid right, lakedawg and the person that hits the return key too often? I’d say that insulting anyone that disagrees with you is about as childish as monkey bars. You really love you some MR.

    We get it. I don’t hate the guy or wish him I’ll. I’m just not blindly loyal to him or content with mediocrity. Sorry.

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    • myredscooter

      so one bad year = sucky coach. Oh well, I thought Stoops, Spurrier, Patterson and Meyer were decent, we’ll have to disagree. you look kneejerk.

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      • Chadwick

        10 years for an SEC championship is the poll that matters to me. That and not even winning the East on a consistent basis when the two biggest threats are way down. That’s what matters to me.

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  34. Skeptic Dawg

    I most certainly did not see things spiraling out of control so rapidly. I had heard rumor of finger pointing from within the team, but never imagined that the coaches were involved as well. If nothing else, this week just got more interesting. Here is hoping for the best for the program and university that we all love. If there were ever a time for the Dawgs to Hunker Down, it would most assuredly be this week.

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    • myredscooter

      Heard all this same stuff in 2010. Richt ended up turning it around, finished in the top 5 in 2012.

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      • Skeptic Dawg

        That is true indeed. However, by the looks of things, the landscape has changed quite dramatically. Additionally, 2010 was the first dump in the road for Richt in the eyes of many (2006-2010 to be accurate). Those with the power to affect change now have a larger sample size to view in that regard.

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  35. Fran Tark was on the radio today talking about the dysfunction of the coaching staff. No clue who he gets his info from and he didn’t name specifics. He did include that he’s not a fan of Pruitt, and that Pruitt is an upstart.

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    • myredscooter

      Can you find ANY ex UGA player icons who have recently tweeted that Richt should be fired? Any?

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    • Bulldog Joe

      So Fran doesn’t like Pruitt…

      Another reason to be confident Pruitt is on the right track.

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      Tarkenton bitches about everything. Have you listened to the guy over the years?

      Pruitt has nothing to worry about. Out of every coach on the staff, he’s going to land on his feet with another high paying gig – maybe as a HC. If Pruitt didn’t care enough to raise hell, that would bother me more than anything else. If and when Pruitt leaves, UGA’s program will have lost its hardest working and most effective coach.

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  36. myredscooter

    Richt’s gone up against the No 3, No 7, No 13, scoring defense 3 out of the last 4 weeks.

    With a brand new OC.

    With a brand new Qb.

    Without Chubb mostly.

    And some seemed ‘shocked’ the offense isn’t setting records?

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    • Chadwick

      Set records? They can’t score. They give the opposing team the ball. They can’t gain a yard in three tries. They are rudderless. And? The team is going to face highly ranked defenses every Saturday, every year. That’s not new.

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  37. WarD Eagle

    Haven’t read the article, but I’ve seen snippets of similar. Is this a non-story drummed up by an enterprising writer based on “some say”, “unidentifiable booster”‘ etc?

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    • I don’t think so. Seth is a solid beat writer. He doesn’t have an axe to grind.

      If you read that piece carefully, there are a lot of people talking, from almost every conceivable place around the program.

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      • WarD Eagle

        Fair enough. He isn’t naming names, but one can understand why.

        I thought this was interesting. “Georgia is currently averaging 29.4 points per game. That’s ninth in the SEC and a significant reduction from last season, when they led the league with 41.3 points per game.”

        …and they had a 3-4 year starter senior QB, leading Heisman candidate TB with 3 5-star subs.

        This year they have new OC, a rookie QB, regardless of year, lost their best TB midway, are playing much improved teams in the SEC, and haven’t gotten the bounces they got last year.

        This doesn’t mean the offense isn’t necessarily worse because of Schottenheimer, but that is normally expected in the first year.

        UGA may have regressed (duh, see above) and there may be many reasons to fire Richt, but losing a couple games badly shouldn’t be the only reasons. Yet, that seems to be the case.

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        • To some extent, I agree with you. But as my post about Georgia’s October stats indicates, it appears that the regression on offense is accelerating.

          Richt made a bad decision on hiring Bobo’s replacement. That’s fixable, in and of itself. The question remains to be seen if it indeed gets fixed.

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          • WarD Eagle

            There’s an upcoming game that will resolve that regression.

            I can’t say Schottenheimer was a bad hire, but he was a surprising hire for me. In general, I don’t think NFL coordinators are cut out for college.

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  38. Midgadawg

    On top of all this – who really has confidence in BM to make a good decision – look at our past history – any good hires. Who folds to the NCAA on a consistence basis. If Richt goes clean out the smugness that seems to ooze from BM. Airing of articles like this is not good for the whole program and the school – it’s certainly good for discussion folder. Just hope we can move on in some direction – somebody’s got to man up ….

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  39. Mayor

    It appears that CMR has used up whatever good will he had left. It is amazing how quickly that happened.

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    • Mayor, I agree. The speed at which this is going is almost shocking.

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      • @gatriguy

        Well, I agree, the speed with which this has gone off the rails is surreal. It makes me think that a lot of Seth’s article has been dammed up for a while. I don’t think we’re done with unsavory news coming out either.

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    • Skeptic Dawg

      Mayor, one could argue that the situation Richt finds himself in has been a slow moving train wreck that began in 2006. I think that the speed of the finality is pretty amazing though. At this point it appears that the best possible outcome for all parties involved would be for the Dawgs to win out and Richt gracefully step aside.

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