Is there an echo in Baton Rouge?

Somehow, in a mere two weeks, Les Miles has gone from coaching the number two team in the CFP rankings to fighting for his job the rest of this season.  It sounds like things have been building for a while, which has a familiar ring to ears in our neck of the woods.

Although I’m not sure I’m ready to buy this:

“If Miles is terminated without cause before January 1, he would be owed $15 million, payable over eight years… his assistants would have to be paid roughly an additional $2 million for six months’ salary…

It’s a staggering sum, but apparently not a deal breaker.”

And some say Louisiana is an impoverished state.

If Miles gets canned, how insane is the coaching market going to be this winter?  Could Jimmy Sexton’s smile possibly get any wider?

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  1. AntiJorts

    This can’t be right! Only UGA does things like this…

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  2. @gatriguy

    Imagine if Ron Zook were trying to follow Spurrier while at the same time Spurrier was back and winning everything in sight at Tennessee. That would be comparable to the situation Miles is in.

    Les Miles would be unemployed for about 5 seconds, assuming he wanted to coach again. Personally, I think he would be fantastic in Gameday whenever Corso is ready to hang it up.

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  3. Bright Idea

    How many of you would like to replace Richt with Les Miles if both are fired?

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    • The Nelson Puppet

      No! LSU runs a Pop Warner football team’s offense.

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      • @gatriguy

        LSU comes closest in the conference to recruiting on the LOS with Bama, and they’re getting their doors blown off. Miles is like Richt in that he’s been suckered into trying to beat Alabama by playing like Alabama. No thanks.

        That said, I like the cut of Miles’ jib and think he would land on this feet just fine. He would be an excellent fit at VT.

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        • Will (the other one)

          Given his Big10 (sic) ties from playing at Michigan, I wonder if Illinois or Maryland would try and go after him (not that I think they’d get him, though Maryland could throw a lot of Under Armor money at him.)

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    • charlottedawg

      I would. Hiring les would be a home run. Better resume and recruiter than Richt. Proven head coach. If Miles was fired Georgia should do whatever it took to hire him and he wouldn’t be unemployed for long.

      Same is true for Richt if we let him go and he wanted to stillcoach.

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      • paul that says shart

        I don’t think Miles is a better recruiter than Richt. Louisiana is loaded with talent and the only fight he has for those players is Saban. Richt has to battle against 5 SEC teams and probably 3 or 4 ACC and he still does a good recruiting job.

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        • Uglydawg

          This is truth, Paul.

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        • Will (the other one)

          Well, for a while he had to fight Texas, but that went down when Mack Brown lost the ability to recognize a good QB, and Charlie Strong got stuck with half a team.
          (Though I think the catch for Les is his teams aren’t great with mediocre QB play, and he has some real issues getting either good QBs, or a good enough OC to adapt to the QB he has.)

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      • Jeff Sanchez

        Ask yourself if UGA would have still had Honey Badger, Jalen Mills, Jeremy Hill, etc on the team

        Apples and oranges

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    • Highly unlikely both are out looking for a job, but if we’re absolutely getting rid of Richt we easily could do worse than Miles and likely will do much worse than Miles when that time comes. However, the way he’s handled a the discipline of players in the past and how LSU does things doesn’t necessarily jive with how Georgia likes to do things so who knows if he would even want to come to Athens and whether Georgia would want him. Jeremy Hill is the perfect example of this. He would never have been admitted to UGA after what he did in high school and he damn sure wouldn’t have been allowed to stay on the team via a vote by the team after his second strike. Don’t even get me started on the Honey Badger and having numerous failed drug tests swept under the rug with little to no disciplinary action. No chance in hell that would happen in Athens.

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    • Otto

      Not my 1st choice but I wouldn’t complain.

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    • Athens Townie

      Les Miles is a better head coach than Mark Richt. No doubt.

      But I don’t think I’d be excited about replacing Richt with Miles. His offenses have been stale for years and I’m not sure if he could recruit Georgia as effectively as he’d need to.

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  4. mikebozo

    Very loud about Miles down here right now. QB development is right at the top along with last weeks loss to the Hawgs but mostly it is the multiple losses to Bama

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  5. Don’t forget the Trillion dollars borrowed from our future generations that was dumped into that dump after Katrina. It surely wasn’t all spent or moved out of the state.

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  6. Russ

    Glad that others outside the state now realize we’re not the only crazy fanbase.

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  7. Scorpio Jones, III

    Season tickets to the symphony are considerably less expensive than football tickets. There’s hardly any whining. Just music.

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  8. ugadawgguy

    They’d be insane to dump Miles. Remember the DiNardo years?

    But by the same token, my guess is that LSU people might currently be saying “Georgia would be insane to dump Richt. Remember the Donnan years?”

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    • Otto

      My LSU friends have been asking why we keep him.

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      • Athens Townie

        I hear you. In my experience, LSU people are amazed with our tolerance for long-term mediocrity.

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        • Jeff Sanchez

          That’s cute of them.

          We basically had the same year / record in 2007, and they were smart enough to go 12-1 in 2003 instead of 2002 like we did.

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          • Athens Townie

            I’d trade our record and championships during Richt’s tenure for LSU’s record and championships during Richt’s tenure. Wouldn’t even need to think twice.

            You?

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          • ugadawgguy

            Seriously…LSU and Georgia have been strikingly similar programs for quite a while.

            Since Les Miles has been at LSU, he’s won nine more games than Richt has won at Georgia (Miles is 110-34, Richt is 101-41). During Richt’s total tenure at Georgia, he’s 143-51 to LSU’s 153-43.

            The main difference between the two programs over the course of that time, in terms of national titles — really the only area in which LSU has done better than Georgia — has been luck. As Jeff points out, LSU won a national championship in 2005 with the same record we had in 2002, and Georgia was 11-2 in 2007, with a loss to eventual national champion LSU (who went 12-2).

            LSU’s been slightly luckier than Georgia since Richt has been here. Substantively, these programs have been on a very similar course, with the sole outlier of Georgia’s terrible 6-7 season in 2010. During Richt’s tenure, he’s had four seasons of 8 wins or fewer. During that same time period — including the Saban years — LSU has had three seasons of 8 wins or fewer.

            Is 9 wins is your cutoff for perceived competence? Richt has had five seasons of 9 wins or fewer, the same as LSU. 10 wins? Richt has had ten seasons of 10 wins or fewer to LSU’s eight (seven under Miles).

            The commonly held misperception that LSU has been a vastly superior program to Georgia under Richt really pisses me off, because it’s plainly incorrect. Their win-loss record is very similar to ours during that time period, but some of their losses have been more fortuitously timed than ours. That’s the difference.

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            • Athens Townie

              Depends on your metric for success.

              Les played in two BCS National Championships, winning one of them. That’s pretty damn impressive when you’re fighting your way out of the SEC West.

              Mark has played in zero. However, I believe many people overvalue the national championship as a metric for success.

              But what is more damning…is the slide into a long period of mediocrity. Let’s face it. Mark’s last decade has been dramatically less productive than his first five years on the job. The trend is not in our favor.

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      • Russ

        My LSU friends think we’re nuts to even consider getting rid of Richt.

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    • Will (the other one)

      Hey now, Donnan was 2-0 vs DiNardo.

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    • 3rdandGrantham

      Well, CMR’s record over the past 9 years is roughly equal to Donnan’s in terms of winning percentage, so to compare that to Miles/DiNardo, in which DiNardo was a total dumpster fire of a coach with a losing record, is more than a bit of a stretch.

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  9. Go Dawgs!

    LSU isn’t that stupid.

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  10. Merk

    Miles was living on the D producing and with Chavis gone the D has taken some steps back. His O has been mediocre at best for several years now. When you consistently do not produce a QB it makes it hard. Outside of ZM who was the last LSU QB who was actually worth a crap? This year is the same, all they had was Fournette and as soon as they faced a D that stopped him, the O stopped.

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  11. Hogbody Spradlin

    “If Miles gets canned, how insane is the coaching market going to be this winter?”
    If Miles gets canned, how insane is LSU?

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  12. Jeff Sanchez

    fwiw, the circumstances of LSU’s loss to Arkansas last week was WAY worse than any loss we’ve had this season.

    Lost at home, at night, to an unranked team with a losing record WITH their Heisman candidate RB in uniform

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  13. AthensHomerDawg

    It’s tough at the top. Bamma fans were disturbed by their stumble against Ole Miss.Turnovers will break you,

    Since Georgia’s last SECC title in 2005, we’ve played in two more. Sniffed a run at the NC game. (I know, I’ve heard it already about spike the ball…enough)
    LSU has won 2 played in 3 and played a team they had already beat for a NC.
    Florida has won 2.and went to the big dance.
    Auburn has won 2 and played in 2 NC games.
    Alabama has won 3. Played in NC games losing once.

    The hillbillies haven’t won an SECC since 1998.Lol.
    Currently the nerds have more SEC championships than the chickens. Now that is funny.
    Georgia ranks 3rd in number of SECC (12) With only the Hillbillies and ALabama ahead of us. Bama has 24.
    LSU is 4th with 11

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Southeastern_Conference_champions

    Just win baby

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    • Otto

      Again:

      According to the ESPN graphic, the top four teams in winning percentage when losing entering the 4Q from 2005 to the present:

      .511- LSU (24-23)
      .346- Texas (18-34)
      .300- Ohio State (9-21)
      .292- Boise State (7-17)

      As of Oct. 29 2014

      .313- Dooley (26-59-3)
      .153- Goff (5-30-1)
      .318- Donnan (7-15)
      .196- Richt (9-37)

      Richt’s teams since 2005 when trailing entering the 4Q have won just 6 of 35 games, or a winning percentage of only .171

      http://patrickgarbin.blogspot.com/2014/10/when-les-is-more.html

      I don’t see Les matching theses stats either:

      In 122 seasons of football and 1,251 games, including 413 losses, Georgia has lost just nine games in its history when it led by at least 14 points during the game:

      22—1978 Bluebonnet Bowl (vs. Stanford): led 22-0 in 3Q, lost 25-22
      21—2015 vs. Tennessee: led 24-3 in 2Q, lost 38-31
      17—2006 vs. Tennessee: led 24-7 in 2Q, lost 51-33
      16—2008 vs. Georgia Tech: led 28-12 in 3Q, lost 45-42
      16—2012 Outback Bowl (vs. Michigan State): led 16-0 in 3Q, lost 33-30
      14—1967 vs. Houston: led 14-0 in 4Q, lost 15-14
      14—1991 vs. Vanderbilt: led 17-3 in 2Q, lost 27-25
      14—1994 vs. Alabama: led 21-7 in 2Q, lost 29-28
      14—2009 vs. Kentucky: led 20-6 in 3Q, lost 34-27
      14-2015 vs Tennesse led 24-3 in 2Q, lost 38-31 – update*

      6 of 10 were under Richt

      http://patrickgarbin.blogspot.com/2015/10/blowing-it.html

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  14. PTC DAWG

    Miles and Richt will be in the same spots in 2016.

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  15. Bulldog Joe

    Damn. Anyone clear this with Herbstreit?

    He’s the self-appointed expert on Miles’ career aspirations.

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  16. Miles’ greatest strength in the past, IMO, has been his ability to build a top notch staff. Cameron has been a big question mark, but not being able to retain Chavis was a huge blow. Then when he got Steele, I remember thinking that was the beginning of the end for Miles. Steele is adequate but he’ll never have their D play at the same level that Chavis had been able to do. So basically he has two “adequate” coordinators now, and that’s going to reflect in their results. I’d still be surprised if he were actually fired this year, but I do think the writing is on the wall if he keeps his staff as is.

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  17. Jared S.

    What a non-story/manufacture controversy. Les isn’t going anywhere. 1) There’s no way they fire him, 2)If he was tired of LSU, he would’ve left last year and gone to Michigan.

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  18. Will (the other one)

    I’d say the big worry if UGA does decide to move on, and LSU’s tailspin leads to a break with Miles is: LSU’s probably the more attractive job.

    The “LSU way” is a lot more forgiving than the “Georgia Way” (look at how many failed pee tests it took to get the Honey badger booted off the team). And the LSU AD spent a bit more on assistants earlier than McGarity ever did.

    Plus: you get a pretty talent-rich state that borders Texas, at a time when UT is really down and TAMU is struggling.

    GA produces more talent, but has a lot of schools nearby vying for it, plus a local police force that seems determined to charge players with anything they can (I can’t imagine any LSU player getting an “emerging from an alleyway” citation, and passing out drunk on a toilet is a normal Baton Rogue evening.)

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    • Go Dawgs!

      How much of “The Georgia Way” comes from Mark Richt, though? It’s been 15 years, so I can forgive people from not remembering the phantom suspensions of Quincy Carter and MIchael Greer, the rumors of rampant drug use that Jim Donnan either wouldn’t or couldn’t clamp down on… I’m sure that a lot of things come from the corner office, but I think a lot comes from Coach Richt, too.

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      • Athens Townie

        Good point.

        It’s not so easy to differentiate between the Georgia Way and the Mark Richt Way at this point.

        15 years is almost an eternity in the SEC.

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        • LOL. While he may embrace the policy, that directive came straight down from Mike Adams’ office when he overhauled the entire student drug / alcohol policy in 2003 in the wake of the kid dying in Russell Hall from an overdose. I only remember this because I was living in Creswell when it happened and remember the swift change to the student policy. The athletic policy must mirror the overall student policy or else it probably could be considered some sort of NCAA violation.

          I swear – ya’ll let this complete obsession with continually justifying booting Richt to the curb block the actual, real facts from your minds. It’s pretty amusing.

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          • Athens Townie

            1) If you think the alcohol/drug policy is all there is to the “Georgia Way” then I want to be on whatever alcohol/drug policy that you’re on.

            2) There are aspects of the Georgia Way that are administration-driven (e.g., drug/alcohol policy) and others that are Richt tradeMarks (e.g., negligent roster management). By the way, can I get a LOL for that pun?

            3) I actually don’t care about “booting” anybody to the curb. Richt can collect another $20 million for mediocrity and I won’t call for his job. That’s not my thing. I will however continue to mock our situation and criticize the guys who earn $4 million a year to win football big games and earn championships (but don’t).

            4) And, while we’re clarifying, I will never blame amateur athletes for the failures of the millionaire coaches.

            5) On a lighter note, and since you’re UGA alum, let’s get the “y’all” thing spelled right…once and for y’all. 😉

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      • MLB2

        He didn’t seem bothered by player misbehavior when he ran the Criminole offense. I blame Adams.

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  19. jase

    If Miles goes somewhere else I’d bet my testicle that goes somewhere he doesn’t recruit or play against Saban. He’d be a good fit at S. Carolina. They prefer other teams seconds.

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  20. Derek

    I’ve read a lot of stupid around here but Les Miles > CMR takes the cake. CMR has a better record overall. A better bowl record. More division titles. As many conference titles. And by the way, head to head, but for a bs celebration call CMR would be 4-1 vs. the Hat.

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    • Otto

      but..if.. only they… the Georgia Way under Richt

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    • D as in Dawg

      Thanks for contributing your stupid comment.

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      • Derek

        The sound of screaming chimps throwing feces I see. I’m sure head to head match ups are pointless to note. Good counter argument D. Your mangling of my name in your subsequent post surely places you in an intellectual sphere with which I am unfamiliar. It reminds me of a scene in a movie called A Fish Called Wanda when John Cleese responds to a series of angry cursing with “well aren’t you a vulgarian?” The reply “you’re the vulgarian you fuck!” Stupid is truly an amazing thing ain’t it? It’s often too stupid to recognize itself.

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      • Otto

        Reply with a post filled with stats and crickets,
        Reply to if a frog had wings ….. post with snark and you get flamed by Disney Dogs. Sometimes you have to know your audience.

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        • Dog in Fla

          “Reply to if a frog had wings ….. ”

          That reminds me of the parable of death a/k/a the time when

          Jeb Bush Brings a Crab to a Frog Metaphor –

          Then, Mr. Bush went for the frog metaphor. And that’s where the problem for him began.

          “It’s like the crabs in the, you know, whatever —the crabs in the boiling water,” Mr. Bush tried.

          “Frogs,” an audience member shouted out, helpfully.

          “The frogs,” Mr. Bush continued. “You think it’s warm, and it feels pretty good and then it feels like you’re in a whirlpool—you know, a Jacuzzi or something.”

          He concluded with a morbid twist: “And then you’re dead. That’s how this works.”

          http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/18/jeb-bush-brings-a-crab-to-a-frog-metaphor/

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          • Athens Townie

            Excellent segue

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            • Dog in Fla

              That reminds me of another parable 🙂

              And Jeb! shall lead the new and improved invasion on a fully-armored Segway® i180 Human Transporter

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    • D as in Dawg

      I guess Ron Zook is way better than Mark Richt. Good point, Dericht.

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    • Go Dawgs!

      Winning or not winning that game where they give you a piece of crystal really blinds a lot of our fans. But the truth is, even winning that piece of crystal doesn’t satisfy the torch-and-pitchfork crowd. Gene Chizik didn’t even last long enough after his national title for his ring to need polishing the first time. Les Miles won a national title and played for another, and there’s apparently a large group down there that wants to drop him off of a fan boat into the bayou.

      I’m with you on Mark Richt being a better coach than Les Miles, but I will say I wouldn’t mind having Les if both coaches suddenly found themselves out of work. I think Les is amazing. It’d certainly be fun.

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      • Derek

        Whatever you may think of Les my point is that saying that Les is clearly better than CMR is patently false. He won a natty with two losses and Saban’s last recruiting class. I would argue that had we played his national championship team in Atlanta in 2007, we would have beaten them soundly just like we did his 2005 team. Les is in fact a step down from CMR. The degree to which that is true is debatable. Suggesting he is a step up from CMR is just plain (and demonstrably) dumb.

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        • Otto

          Les has never had a losing record at LSU unlike Richt (6-7) at UGA, Since Les arrive in ’05 they are tied with 2 8-5 years and a 9-4 year, all the while being in the West which has been producing majority of the SEC champs.

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          • Derek

            5 head to head match ups are pretty significant. But for flagging AJ for a BS celebration call CMR is very likely 4-1 vs. the Hat. Even with that BS he’s still 3-2.
            Also, does Les’ record at Oklahoma State matter? I would note that Mike Gundy has done much better in Stillwater than Les did.
            No doubt Les is in a tough neighborhood, but losing to the team you have to beat 5 straight times is nothing brag about. CMR hasn’t dropped 5 straight to anybody.

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            • Otto

              Richt is 3-2 to Les, 1 game above 500 in a small sampling, both teams have had mediocre years but again Les has never had a losing year despite playing in the toughest division in football.

              Richt is at 3 straight to Bama and counting, Shame Richt hasn’t played the SEC champ during the regular season every yr since ’05. BTW looking around Les has only lost more than 2 consecutive games to 1 team, Bama. Richt has lost 3 in a row to Bama, and UF, I don’t see how Richt’s record against Bama could be any better than Les’s

              Should we pull up Les’s head to head record with our common rival Florida?

              BTW Richt’s only SEC title was with Donnan’s recruits and hasn’t won the SEC since Les was hired at LSU. In fact Les won one of those head to head.

              Les inherited a 3-8 OSU team, and I am sure T Boone’s $$ didn’t help Gundy at all.

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            • Will (the other one)

              OkieST on really turned it on when Gundy turned the offense over to Holgo, and T. Boone’s money started showing up in the facilities. (Houston beat OkSt the week after the largely shut our offense down, and Gundy hired Holgo away from them that offseason. I think Gundy had served as his own OC before then.)

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  21. BR Dawg

    I Live in Baton Rouge and I can tell you first hand that the vast majority of the fans here detest Les Miles. They always say the same things, he can’t out coach anyone, he wins only due to having more talented kids on his roster vs their opponents, he can’t recruit a quality QB and his offense is predictable at best. Hell many times I have heard fans here say they would rather have CMR than Miles.

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