Paralysis by analysis

Yesterday, Georgia’s beat writers were doing their job.  Which meant they were asking Mark Richt about his future.

Richt was asked at his regular Tuesday news conference if he feels like he’s coaching for his professional life in this game:

“Who me?” he said laughing. “Who made you ask that question? I know you didn’t think of that one. My focus is beating Georgia Tech right now. That’s my answer to you.”

And asking.

The second: Does Richt expect to be Georgia’s head coach next year?

“My focus right now is Georgia Tech. Who made you ask that one?” Richt said.

And making Richt think they were gonna ask again.

Then the microphone was handed to this reporter, who wanted to ask a question about the offensive line, but Richt did not know that yet.

“You’re gonna ask the same one? We  can end this thing as fast as you want,” Richt said. “I’m here to talk about the game.”

Like it or not, it’s news and the questions were fair game.  None of that bothers me particularly.

But this does.

Georgia is set to break ground on its long-awaited indoor athletic facility on Dec. 14. It’s a building that Mark Richt has pined for and quietly lobbied for during his 15-year tenure as head football coach.

But as of this week, with one game left in the regular season, it’s still not a settled question whether Richt will be around to attend that ceremony, much less coach in the gleaming new facility when it’s ready.

His bosses continue to be silent on the subject, holding to their policy with all coaches in all seasons. The belief among many close to the situation is that no decision has been made either way, and that Saturday’s game at Georgia Tech will have a big say in it.
[Emphasis added.]

Say what?  You’ve got a coach with a fifteen-year track record to evaluate and you’re taking the approach that his career may hang in the balance depending on how his team plays in one game against a 3-8 Georgia Tech?

If that’s the case – and there’s no reason to think Seth’s reporting on the subject is anything less than solid – that’s a clear sign of folks in an organization who are reluctant to make a major decision themselves, but rather hope instead that developments (or maybe Richt himself, I don’t know) will make it for them.

That ain’t no way to run a railroad, if you get my drift.  But I can’t say it comes as much of a surprise.  Butts-Mehre has a track record, too.

And this is why I keep harping on Georgia football’s problem being something other than Richt himself.  I don’t care which side of the divide regarding his fate you find yourself.  Either way, it shouldn’t be hard to grasp the idea that letting things twist in the wind like this is the worst way to manage the situation.  (Really, it’s kind of impressive that the coaching staff has managed to keep the next recruiting class together so far.)

It’s also why those of you who are convinced the football program can’t get any worse if Richt goes ought to be honest with yourselves about whether that’s really the case.  I don’t mean that in the sense of simply making a bad hiring decision, either.  I mean it in the sense that the same people who can’t come to grips with what to do about Mark Richt are the same people who will have to go about making any hiring decision to replace him.  Why would you have confidence in that process?

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  1. Mayor

    Excellent post Senator. Like you I have no confidence in the suits at B-M. If CMR goes an awful lot of them need to go, too.

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    • AthensHomerDawg

      Who is the main suit charged with the decision to retain Richt or release him?
      How does he arrive at that decision?
      I think we straddle the fence…finish the IPF and let some of these other schools settle in with their new hires. Carolina can’t afford to stumble. Not if they really believe they can ever contend again for the East.
      Our Offense is a mess. Bobo left and took ALL his crayons with him. We can’t afford to stumble either. Remember when we had to replace Dooley? Yeah…that was attractive wasn’t it?

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      • rchris

        Replacing Richt would make replacing Dooley look like a coronation, and not just because of B-Ms incompetence. Think about how a prospective coach might evaluate the situation at Georgia: 1Good recruiting area but a lot of unscrupulous nearby schools like Bama and ‘Burn that might use very underhanded methods to insure UGA’s failure so they can poach. 2Unrealistic administration that has just canned the coach with the best winning pct. at their school ever, the guy with the most bowl victories, a guy who had multiple conference championships, a guy with high ethical standards so there’s no backstory to cause it. What if I came in and was equally successful, would they can me too? 3Good facilities but only middle of the road for the SEC. Also a history of middle of the road athletic budget spending. Our job might not be as attractive as B-M thinks it would be.

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  2. I have zero confidence in BM making good decisions. This is typical mind set. Beat the nerds. Make a change. Should be simple.

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  3. 92 grad

    It’s remarkable to think that what you surmise as letting a 15 year career hang in the balance against Tech is even a possibility. Thank you for making this point.

    I also applaud your assertion that taking the statement at its worth means the powers in charge refuse to even give thought to the question. The stock answer is so absurd, unrelated to the subject of the query, that I find it insulting and it reflects poorly on the job performance of the AD.

    The only solace I find is that this juvenile “I’m not saying anything” is protecting the players on the team. They, above all, deserve the final game week and all that comes with it.

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    • Will (the other one)

      It isn’t exactly one game deciding everything. It’s just how confident should you be if you can’t beat a 3-8 Tech team that might not even have its starting QB, is riddled with injuries, and has quite possibly the worst offensive line of any team we play all season?

      On the heels of multiple disasters around and during the Cocktail party, losing to this Tech team should be the final thing tipping the scales towards “you gotta go.”

      I don’t have a lot of confidence in B-M either, but I think saying “he’s our coach no matter what” this week would be far worse if the game did take an unpleasant turn. That said, after what I hope is a win, they do need to come out with some “Richt is sticking around” statements — none of this meaningless bowl game decides hiring/firing — and do what they can to hold on to the defensive coaches.

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  4. The AD is a poster boy for the Peter Principle in action.

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  5. charlottedawg

    I mean this seriously, y does mcgarity still have a job? The guy hasn’t made a good hire, has hhorrible pr skills, and was shocked when following the same course of action for Gurley yielded the same result as AJ. Leaks to the AJC about your subordinate’s job security.In every aspect of being an AD he’s failed. Maybe folks in the know of the inner workings of BM can enlighten me as to why my cursory glance is incorrect but on the outside looking in Greg sure looks like an incompetent manager.

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      • Russ

        Then who else is it? The athletic board? Big money donors? Leeburn? It seems to me Morehead is on the ball, but I wouldn’t think he’d have to run the athletic department. Sure, I can see him signing off on major hires, such as the head football coach, but I can’t see him picking up the phone and McGarity what to do.

        So who else is it?

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        • Will (the other one)

          General consensus is it goes to the BOR (who, remember, had no problems with Adams forcing Dooley out over a decade ago).

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      • charlottedawg

        Fine. The problem goes beyond mcgarity. it still doesn’t answer the question of why he should be employed by the school. The only plausible explanation i can see is that mcgarity is just a monster at fund raising. I guess i just don’t see the value mcgarity brings to the AD role.

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  6. Turd Ferguson

    I don’t think anyone disagrees that the higher-ups are basically incompetent. But this has always felt to me like an argument without a conclusion.

    Anytime I’ve ever been a part of a group decision, there’s always been that one guy in the group who shrugs his shoulders a lot, and reminds us all how disastrous it could turn out, no matter what we decide to do. That’s what this argument feels like.

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    • So, what, you think B-M will simply get lucky… if not this time, then next time for sure?

      My point here is that firing Richt won’t change a thing. I’m glad you’re apparently okay with that. Somebody in the group should be, I guess.

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      • Mayor

        Actually, looking at things objectively, B-M got lucky when CMR got hired. 15 years of football averaging almost 10 wins a season, 2 SEC Championships, 6 SEC East titles either outright of shared. I doubt they would be as lucky the next time.

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    • peacedogattack

      The conclusion is this:

      The higher-ups continue to go about this in the worst way possible. As they have tended to go about all other matters in their time. Whatever things they go through next – say a coaching change – is likely to be impacted.

      The argument here isn’t “we shouldn’t make a coaching change, because the suits suck”. The argument here is, “what are the odds we come through this – no matter which way we go – without causing ourselves more problems”. Those odds are non zero, and that’s true for both of the principle paths that lay before us (fire Richt/keep Richt). But, man, you simply can’t feel good about it.

      Or let me lay out a hypothetical out for you. Furious at the end of 2013, McGarity cans Richt which causes a lot of shock. From the outside, here’s what it looks like: AD cans long time, super successful coach who yes had a few down years of late. Said coach asked for more resources in a highly competative environment where (1) a shitload of revenue comes in through several channels and (2) most of the other schools in the conference spend a good portion of those revenues on the football program. Except at Georgia, the place that just canned it’s highly successful head coach. At Georgia, Richt asks for Alabama’s recruiting support staff (an assistant for each coach, and probably some support personnel for them) and gets 3 people. And then the compliance office won’t even let them do half the things the guys at Bama do.

      At Georgia, Richt asks for an IPF several times over the years. “Nope”. Meanwhile, everyone else is building one (yes, this is absurd on one level. Though busing to flowery branch to practice a couple of times a year is also absurd).

      At Georgia, Richt asks for a host of “quality control” assistants. Other schools are using them in spades. He maybe gets a couple of guys.

      At Georgia, Richt asks for more money for assistants. Other schools are starting to pay up. He gets some. But it’s not a crazy amount (Grantham contract notwithstanding. I think McLendon only recently passed the 300k mark; that’s crazy).

      At other schools, the ADs are demanding results (sometimes nonsensically so). At Georgia, it’s just “eh. . .”.

      So then at the end of the 2013 season, the attractiveness of our job (recruting base, facilities, resources) is in fact greatly over stated. Because this is a highly competative environment where we don’t demand enough or give enough of an effort to see people wildly succeed. And to cap all of it off the admin cans our very succesful head coach who can’t get the things we want. That coaching search would have been a disaster crossed with a travesty crossed with a pod people invasion.

      I don’t know what Morehead said to McGarity when he sat him down after that interview. But I imagine he said some of this stuff. And so that brings us to a year later. Suddenly, we’re spending like crazy (for us, and even then some!). The fact that we’re finally willy to part with some of those precious dollars matters. But it’s only been a year, Richt hasn’t had a full chance at working in this better enviroment. Further, while it has truly been a bizarro sort of a season we have a shot at 10 wins.

      And still, we have an Admin who doesn’t appear to demand. Or insist. Or even strongly suggest. We have an Admin who might legitimately be thinking “well, let’s see how the next game goes”, for four straight weeks now.

      It’s nonsensical.

      What, incidentally, would a better admin do?

      “Mark, why on earth do you want to hire an NFL OC who hasn’t ever had real success in many years of experience as an OC at that level?”

      “Mark, why are you using these strategies when they keep failing?”

      I’m sure Saban never gets those questions but he’s earned that. Richt hasn’t really earned it for his part. You can at least try to get him to earn them not being asked, help him get to that point with smart sending (you don’t have to match Bama dollar for dollar, staff for staff, move for move. There’s economies of scale). Or you can decide it’s time to make a change.

      This admin? It’s just waiting to see how things shake down.

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      • The argument here is, “what are the odds we come through this – no matter which way we go – without causing ourselves more problems”. Those odds are non zero, and that’s true for both of the principle paths that lay before us (fire Richt/keep Richt). But, man, you simply can’t feel good about it.

        Jesus, somebody gets it. Finally.

        My point isn’t just that things won’t change if Richt goes. They won’t change if he stays.

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        • Turd Ferguson

          In other words, like I said, the argument doesn’t have a conclusion. At least, not one of any practical significance. It’s a bunch of words that essentially reduce to this: no matter what happens, “you can’t feel good about it.”

          Got it.

          I must’ve missed the part where anyone claimed to feel particularly good about the future of Georgia’s football program. In fact, if anyone could be accused of such a thing, it’s the blind-as-bats Richt apologists around here who, for some insane reason, think a decent recruiting class is going to make some huge difference in 2016.

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          • The argument has a conclusion. Things won’t improve until there are wholesale changes in the administration of the athletic department.

            Again, if all you care about is Richt being gone, fine.

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            • Mayor

              People can say what they want about Richt but the problem isn’t Mark Richt. If they are not going to have a seismic shift in what happens inside B-M firing CMR and getting a new HC, while keeping the same crowd at B-M, is about as useful as rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Conversely, if the changes at B-M are significant, either in approach or personnel or both, then is it really fair to can Mark Richt without at least giving him a chance with the changes being made.

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              • Turd Ferguson

                “People can say what they want about Richt but the problem isn’t Mark Richt.”

                This is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. Underlying this whole argument is the assumption that we’ve got to choose between Richt and the administration. As if only one of them could possibly be responsible for keeping the football program from reaching its fullest potential.

                Acknowledging that there are serious problems in addition to Mark Richt is perfectly compatible with also thinking that Richt shouldn’t be the head coach.

                This is just the latest way to protect Richt from any and all criticism.

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                • rchris

                  Richt is the most successful coach we’ve ever had: Best winning percentage, most bowl victories, and one of the few who have won more than one conference championship. He’s also one of the few coaches not named Les Miles, Nick Saban, Bob Stoops or Urban Meyer who have won more than 140 games in the last 15 years. Over the last 5 years we’ve had more wins than Nebraska, Notre Dame, USC, TCU, Virginia Tech, Auburn, Michigan Penn State, Texas, Florida, Miami, and Tennessee. Of the eight power 5 teams who have won more games the past 5 years, only 2 – Oregon and Ohio State – have won more than Richt during the entire 15 years he’s been here.
                  The way to build successful enterprises of any type is to retain the most capable aspects of your organization while identifying your problems and eliminating them Richt is not part of the problem – he’s part of the solution.

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          • simpl_matter

            “blind-as-bats Richt apologists around here who, for some insane reason, think a decent recruiting class is going to make some huge difference in 2016”

            I think you are misstating the argument, nobody I’ve read here thinks a good recruiting class makes a huge difference the following year. Takes 2-3 years to get the majority of a class up to speed. Can Jacob Eason win a Natty as a true freshman? Well, it’s happened before…ONCE, to be precise. Jamelle Holieway, Oklahoma, 1985.

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          • If all you took from my post was “It’s a bunch of words that essentially reduce to this: no matter what happens, “you can’t feel good about it.””

            Then you did not get it. At all.

            And it is an argument with a conclusion. You appear to not like or not care about the conclusion. Maybe because it doesn’t fit your narrative (which “apologists” sells quite nicely, point of fact).

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            • Turd Ferguson

              I was referencing the part that Blutarsky himself quoted, and then followed with an approving, “Somebody gets it. Finally.”

              Like I said, we’re all aware of the fact that the problems with Georgia’s football run deeper than just Mark Richt. Folks like you and Blutarsky like to congratulate yourselves every time you point this out, as if you’re revealing some previously hidden truth that no one had ever thought of before.

              You also like to act like it automatically nullifies any discussion to the effect that Richt might not be the right man at HC. But anyone with a few firing neurons can see that these are separable topics for discussion.

              And for the record, no, it’s is not an argument with a conclusion. At least — as I said to Blutarsky — not a conclusion of any practical significance. Quite the opposite, in fact. It’s an argument the sole purpose of which is to shut down arguments with practical conclusions.

              As far as I can tell, there are two kinds of Richt apologists. There are the idiots, who place all blame for losses on the players. Coaches can do no wrong. And then there are the slightly more thoughtful apologists, who simply try to shut down any criticism of Richt by saying things like, “Well, regardless of how mediocre you think he is, it’s not getting any better as long as the administration is the way that it is.”

              That’s all this is.

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              • Then you aren’t getting my point. At all.

                I don’t care if Richt’s the head coach or not. I don’t dismiss the criticism of him either. Hell, I’ve dished out plenty of it myself. And the idea that I’m shutting down arguments is hilarious. I sure haven’t slowed you down.

                What I am saying is that those who argue dumping Richt is going to save Georgia football, if not now, then sometime in the near future, are engaged in as much hope as those who say Richt’s about to turn that corner, if only. Either is about as likely as the other, because whoever the head coach is has to answer to the same administration. Until that changes in a real sense, you’re as guilty of dreaming as the apologists you feel so superior to.

                I write this not because I expect to change your mind – that’s clearly a waste of time and effort – but because I’m really tired of the bullshit apologist accusations people like you toss in my direction. It’s not enough that I’m critical when I think it’s due; I’ve got to stand on the ramparts along with you and demand Richt’s head because what you really want is the vindication you’d get from me doing so. Fuck that noise.

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      • 81Dog

        this is the best analysis I’ve seen. Richt has been like a fighter with one hand tied behind his back the several years, while everyone else has both hands and throws a few kicks, too. Let him have a year or two of operating with the same tools everyone else has (and this means keeping Pruitt is highly important.)

        If the suits keep CMR and run off Pruitt, then we are right back to tying a hand behind CMR’s back. Best that President Morehead sees this, takes a deep breath, and gives McGarity and the rest of the good ole boys in suits the heave ho. We need people in the admin who are working to support the coaching staff, not looking for ways to stab them in the back.

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    • McNease

      Likewise I’ve never grasped the argument “Well, I don’t know what to do, but…..we HAVE to do something!”

      No, no you don’t HAVE to do anything. You have to show evidence, or at least attempt to argue, that the thing you propose to do (and not in the abstract) is better than the do-nothing strategy. Arguing for substantial changes based solely on “I don’t like the current situation” is a great way to get fired, but it’s free when you’re just a fan I guess.

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      • Turd Ferguson

        “Likewise I’ve never grasped the argument ‘Well, I don’t know what to do, but…..we HAVE to do something!'”

        Really? You honestly cannot grasp that thought? Seems pretty simple to me.

        Suppose you’re driving somewhere, and you realize you’re lost. But it’s unfamiliar territory, so you’re not exactly sure how to correct your route. So you think to yourself, “Well, I don’t know exactly where to go, but … I know that continuing on the route that I’m on isn’t going to get me there. So I have to do something different from what I’m doing now.”

        But maybe you’d rather just pull over and do nothing.

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        • McNease

          That’s a terribly inapt, or stupid rather, analogy. The football program isn’t lost. Everybody knows exactly where it is. Instead of analogies tell us in reality what you want to do and a good argument for doing it instead of the program continuing. So far your argument for doing something is that the program may implode for a decade but may rise like a phoenix and become something it never has in its history. That’s certainly a plan but you are completely blind as to why some people might not be willing to get on board. A better analogy would be gambling. You are willing to push all in with a 2,7 off suit before the flop and to make the analogy even more apt you aren’t even playing with your own money.

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  7. Hogbody Spradlin

    The only thing Seth said is that “his bosses are keeping quiet.” What’s going on here beside reporters fueling each other’s speculations?

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    • Hogbody Spradlin

      Who are “many close to the situation”? That kind of weak assertion is the same level as “some would say”.

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    • Cosmic Dawg

      Agree. Other than clamping down on chatter from an organization of several hundred people who work at a public institution, what exactly should be the message coming out of B-M? For all of you critical of B-M, how would YOU handle it, assuming you are on the fence about CMR?

      Also, it’s not ” one game”. Decisions happen at the bleeding edge. The one hour you decide to knock off early today will not be the reason you get fired, but it could certainly be the final straw that motivates your boss to let you go.

      I have changed my mind about CMR’s judgment and if he should stay a couple times this year. If people look at the man’s record + his intangibles and are not even somewhat conflicted about his future (either way) I don’t think they’re seeing the whole picture.

      It’s ok to be unsure , or at least a little less sure of the right course than many of us claim to be sometimes.

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  8. AthensHomerDawg

    If you thought this season was funky wait till the offseason. With the number of coaching vacancies all over the country, fire departments everywhere will be busy putting out all the dumpster fires caused by coaches leaving to fill those vacancies. Should be an interesting offseason.

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    • Macallanlover

      I have already ordered extra popcorn for the December clown show in anticipation of a shortage. 13 vacancies that will begat about 20 new coaches at D1 schools as the dominoes fall. And it would be fair to assume there will be more to come. Then add in a multiple of that number of new coordinator and position coaching changes. Spring practice should be chaos on many campuses. Hard to believe but pre-season rankings may exceed the normal level of uselessness.

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  9. @gatriguy

    Here’s what I think is going on: when at UF, McG saw that Urban’s perception of Richt was that he is unorganized, lazy, not particularly bright, and content being good and not great. So he came in with a preconceived notion.

    Richt then proceeded to completely reinforce what McG already thought.

    McG hasn’t had the stones or support or political capital to pull the trigger (and make no mistake, he’ll need all three–no one likes he guy that fires a Sunday School teacher).

    He’s been sitting around waiting for Richt to hang himself (which he damn near might have done after pissing away Tech last year, but it sounds like McG moved too soon on that).

    At any rate, I have no idea if McG is capable of hiring a coach that can win SEC or maybe a national title; however, I do believe he is correct in believing his current coach isn’t going to win either in the current landscape he’s facing.

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    • WF dawg

      That’s certainly possible. Another scenario is that, unwilling to pay the buyout, McGarity would prefer to keep Richt but feels he needs a win against Tech to pacify the constituents who are clamoring for change. It’s important to say that under either scenario, the point holds that the leadership could be, ahem, more decisive.

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    • TXBaller

      +1mm Gatriguy

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  10. Bill Glenn

    You make a fair point. I am no fan of McGarrity. But, if I was AD at UGA, I would prefer that Richt lost enough to make my decision easy and self evident. It would help heal the divisions in the fan base and give the new coach an opportunity to come without controversy.

    Any AD wants a mandate to fire a coach rather than coming in and kicking over a beehive, especially a coach with a cult following. It may not be “leadership” but it is reality.

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    • Sorry, but you shouldn’t get paid half a million dollars a year to operate in the hope hard decisions go away like that.

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      • Bill Glenn

        I agree, but when you have 40% of the fanbase who thinks “we were 1 play away in 2012 and Eason will be the difference”, then the program could be a disaster with no Eason, no competent QB on the roster and a new coach who 40% of the fanbase wants to fail out of spite. McGarrity may be looking out for himself, but there are larger concerns at play.

        I’m not giving him a pass, the downside to inaction and “wait and see” is that we don’t move and see a coach we could have hired, say Kirby Smart, go to another program and kick our tails for years. Dithering could be fatal as well.

        Greg is going to have to make a decision, to act or not act, and his legacy will be defined either way. He will be held responsible for the transition, regardless of his actual involvement.

        FWIW, I know Morehead quite well, though I have not spoken to him in some time, and I can tell you that he is one of the most competent men I have ever seen. He is a fine human being too. If he is in charge of this process, then we will be fine.

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        • I got news for you – if Richt goes, the fan base is going to be divided no matter what. Losing to GT on Saturday won’t change that.

          And your “a new coach who 40% of the fanbase wants to fail out of spite” is unfair, I think. Plenty of folks will be unhappy over Richt’s departure, but I can’t see large swaths of them actively rooting for Georgia to flop. What’s far more likely to occur is sullen apathy.

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          • I don’t know. There are a lot of people on message boards who seem to take more pride in Georgia losing so they can tell us how right they are about Richt’s suckiness.

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          • Bill Glenn

            I’m sure it is not just based on the outcome of the game Saturday, any more than Donnan’s fate was sealed by the 2000 Tech game. Donnan was fired for Quincy, Auburn 99, “we’re gonna get it done” and “Lauren, stop talking about the cramps.”

            I don’t see the upside for the administration to come out and either say “Richt’s our guy” or “Richt is coaching his last season” at this point. Candor and transparency may be preferred, but strategically it would be stupid.

            If you have decided to let him go, then do it Sunday. If you want to keep him, give him the vote of confidence Sunday. 4 more days to “twist in the wind” is not a huge deal. Don’t distract the seniors from beating Tech.

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            • I don’t have a problem with the admin keeping silent about Richt. But that’s not what my post is about.

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              • Irwin R. Fletcher

                Has anyone considered that if they are hanging on the outcome of the Tech game…then there is no reason to assume they won’t be hanging on the outcome of the bowl game, too.

                So UGA beats Tech and then gets beat by Penn State, Temple, Michigan, whoever…

                They are really in the position where they have to definitively make a statement after the Tech game and live with it until 2016.

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          • Otto

            I don’t see 40% wanting the new coach to fail out of spite, they have shown the propensity to shrug their shoulders and not hold a grudge. The new coach would have a fair chance to earn their trust.

            McGarity would be the greatest one at risk if the hire fails or struggles.

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      • Cosmic Dawg

        What if he’s just as conflicted as we are and actually wants to see the season play out? This is not Muschamp at Florida. Does he have to make a decision on the fans/media timetable just because inquiring minds want to know?

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        • Again, he’s not paid to be conflicted.

          What’s he gonna see in the Tech game that makes that big a difference in his analysis? Is a win enough? Does it have to be in regulation? Does Georgia have to cover the spread?

          I’m not asking B-M for a timetable on a decision. I would like for there to be some rational analysis and an acceptance of responsibility behind the decision, though. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

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          • Uglydawg

            Pinning it down to what happens in one game in a year where both the teams in that game are badly flawed is just plain stupid.
            And it’s incredibly wrong to put the players in that situation.,,
            Please tell me this isn’t the case.
            My guess is that CMR hangs it up all by himself if he’s given that ultimatum.
            Maybe that would make McG’s job easier.
            15 years is enough evidence. Look at trends, look at reasons for failures and successes and look at the whole picture. There’s a lot to being a head coach…and CMR is excellent in most areas. I do think he’s hit a flat spot and has even regressed a little bit..but if he’d had Pruitt and Bobo together, he’d have won a NC. He’s still got Pruitt with some great players coming in. Give him an OC that is the equal to Pruitt and he’ll win big.

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          • Cosmic Dawg

            The point is that in every coach’s career, there probably is indeed a single loss that seals his fate, but it’s on top of a lot of other things.

            So if McGarity is, either through subjective or objective criteria, perfectly 50/50 on CMR right now, it would make sense the Tech game could have a lot of weight, but only because of its timing. In reality it is surely no more important than AL, TN, FL, or AU.

            In one sense, McGarity is not conflicted. CMR is our coach at this moment, which is a decision McGarity has made by default. It’s not like he’s told the press he’s conflicted.

            But the whole analysis seems set up to where McGarity can’t win.

            If he’s conflicted, suggesting his criteria is subjective, you think he’s paid too much to be conflicted.

            On the other had, if you’re asking him to have specific, objective criteria (eg, two losses to Tech in a row plus two losses to Florida in a row plus X number of losses over a two year period = fire the coach) then couldn’t the outcome of the Tech game complete some box on his decision-making tree?

            I’m no fan of McGarity, but I don’t know what you guys would prefer he do differently, here. I would certainly rather him err on the side of fairness, and part of his job should absolutely be to make sure the fan base supports his decision, so the idea that he may want to give CMR enough rope – or slack – and let things happen more or less organically doesn’t seem like a lack of leadership so much as giving CMR every chance to save his job, and for McGarity to be certain he’s making the right decision either way.

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            • If he’s conflicted, suggesting his criteria is subjective, you think he’s paid too much to be conflicted.

              No, I think he’s paid too much to be a passive observer who hopes events will overtake his having to make a tough decision.

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              • Cosmic Dawg

                Being conflicted doesn’t mean he’s being passive, and aren’t “events” (ie wins on the field) precisely the criteria by which most of us expect him to make his decision?

                I get that we don’t want him waffling indefinitely. And I get that we don’t want him making a decision based solely on the Tech game. I just don’t think we should assume he’s doing either of those just because we’re not big McGarity fans. None of this was even a question a mere 2 months ago and the season’s not even over.

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    • Dog in Fla

      “especially a coach with a cult following”

      Now I Get the Big Pitcher

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  11. Grathams replacement

    Last year Morehead told GM to give Richt what he wanted. When Richt loses Moreheads support he is out. The talking heads are trying to sell fishwrap or premium subscriptions by guessing as to what’s happening in the BM. At best GM tells Richt to get rid of Sale and possibly Shittenplayercaller.

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  12. 3 lies I hear often that make me cringe.

    1) it can’t get worse
    2) talent isn’t a problem
    3) hiring someone to take us to the next level should be easy for a program like this

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    • Excellent post, jabo.

      1) It can’t get any worse – Tennessee (and I’m not sure they still have the answer) is exhibit #1 for that.
      2) talent isn’t a problem – we are paying for a recruiting class (2013) that hasn’t really panned out. Sure, part of that is the staff’s fault and some of it was poor decisions by players
      3) hiring … should be easy … – those who say “give a coach 3 years and rinse/repeat” don’t have to deal with the financial impact of the buyouts necessary to implement that. I still don’t trust GM and the board to get the hire right.

      None of this is to say whether CMR should stay or go. Caveat emptor, Bulldog Nation.

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      • Brandon

        These 3 lies are typically only heard from casual observers rather than fans who get their so called UGA “news” from Bill Shanks

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    • rchris

      Excellent post and to the point.

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  13. I think the decision has already been made. The suits are just withholding it until after the Tech game. Winning or losing Saturday has no bearing at this point. CMR was gone after the UF game. So half of the equation will be eliminated but as the Senator makes clear, the problems at UGA will still be far from taken care of.Other than concerns over BM, my other concern is how dismantled will the 2016 recruiting class become/

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    • simpl_matter

      The UF game made up their minds? I give them more credit than that. Chubb was lost for the year and then Sony broke his hand on the first play, we were shooting spit-wads against one of the top defenses in the country. I think the jury is still out.

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  14. Irwin R. Fletcher

    So I commented this week on the exact same thing…and my point is this….they better know if they are going to fire or keep him AND they better know, if they are, who they are going to hire with almost 99% certainty. Honestly, the worst case scenario is that they fire him and then announce they are engaging one or more search committees. That solidifies that they don’t have a clue.

    If they don’t know who they are going to hire and/or have floated the possibility of a search committee and I’m Morehead or the Board or whoever, then you can’t fire Richt now. Let him bring in a great recruiting class, fire Schotty or whatever, and then bring in new administration to make decisions on Richt, Fox, etc.

    FWIW-I think the outcome of the Tech game is less about looking for an excuse to fire him…I think they’ve decided they want to keep him BUT know they won’t be able to do so if he had lost to GA Southern or loses to Tech. Thus the ‘no decision has been made’ because they don’t want to be in a corner. So I agree with the premise that they are making sure they have cover, but I think it cuts the other way on this one.

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    • Will (the other one)

      Exactly. Hopefully. And as long as we’re wishing for positive outcomes, I’d like a blowout win vs Tech, and then the announcement that Schotty (and possibly Sale) won’t be returning in 2016 the next day. Then Stanford’s OC/Oline coach gets hired a week or two later, and WKU’s OC comes on as co-OC and QB coach, Lilly semi-retires into an advisory / support staff role, McClendon gets to coach TEs/recruit, with a raise, and Tony Ball comes back as WR coach after LSU cans Miles.

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    • No One Knows You're a Dawg

      It may be that the decision on whether to retain Richt is conditional on his willingness to make changes on his coaching staff-specifically the OC and/or DC. If Richt’s willing to do so, he stays, if not, he goes.

      But McGarity et al won’t know Richt’s position til they do their end-of-season chat with him. Hence the delay in making a final decision.

      (I think most of us would want to see see a change at OC but not at DC. But given that it’s the DC who’s been ruffling feathers, I could see McGarity insisting Pruitt, rather than Schotty, go.)

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  15. Skip

    HIs fate rest with Tech game? Are you kidding me?
    Coach Richt- 144-51 74%
    Coach Dooley- 132-57 68%
    Coach Butts- 117-69-9 60%

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    • Governor Milledge

      Exactly. Richt isn’t going anywhere with a 9-10 win season until/unless there’s a serious drop off in ticket renewals – THEN there might be reason to go a different direction

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  16. Brandon

    I just really want to hear Chili or Charlotte’s answer to this question…

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    • I would like to hear Charlotte’s perspective … He’s a pretty reasonable commenter.

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      • Brandon

        Agree. Those two just stand out to me as the most blatantly opposed to Richt. I’d like to hear why they are so hopeful and confident that BM will hit a home run and have this program contending for playoffs annually as soon as Richt is canned. Or maybe they don’t care if we are terrible for a decade, “as long as we try”. Because we are clearly not trying now.

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        • charlottedawg

          Thanks for the endorsement ee, the check is in the mail ;).

          Look, i fully understand that hiring a head coach is a crap shoot and we can certainly do worse than Richt. And no butts mehre does not give me coincidence that they can run the process well. But i think it’s time for Richt to go because I believe his best days are behind him and i think he’s reached his ceiling. Richt’s first 7 years were great, transformational even. I fully give him credit for that. But I don’t see us winning another sec title with him at the helm.

          Yes he hasn’t had the support he ideally should have but roster mismanagement (by extension failure to recruit and develop the talent needed to win the sec), bad coordinator hires, & having at least one game a year where his team looks completely unprepared are the responsibility of the head coach. These problems are persistent and to me keeping Richt means throwing up a white flag and resigning ourselves to never reaching our potential as a program.

          No great coaches don’t grow on trees but i would rather us go through a couple and try to find the next urban Meyer or Nick Saban than throwing up our hands that we can’t be better than thirdor fourth best in our conference. Especially given the vast advantages our program enjoys. To use a biblical example I’d rather risk wandering the wilderness trying to find the promised land than die a slave to pharaoh.

          Also not that it’s pertinent to the discussion but i really would’ve preferred that Richt fixed the problems and it was him that won a national championship for Georgia. But with each year that possibility seems more and more unlikely hence why I want a change. It does not make me happyand it will still be a sad day for me if Richt is fired.

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          • Debby Balcer

            Urban Meyer and Nick Saban would not have done what they were able to do elsewhere here. Our drug policy alone would have prevented it. That policy is unchanged. At OSU he already has issues with his team in spite of winning the big one last year. A Saban type is not coming to a school where they don’t have Carte Blanche to control their program. The fact the Coach Richt has done what he has done while hamstring is overlooked by those of you who who believe that magical coach x can come in and achieve a national championship in spite of UGA’s culture. UGA and LAY are throwing away proven commodities for a chance at being Alabama.

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          • Russ

            Well said. I can see your reasons, and understand them. I’ve come close to them myself but I still hope that Richt can get it right and would rather take my chances with him than without.

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  17. Otto

    I don’t have absolute confidence that B-M can make a better hire. However, I know a worse hire will likely be easier to replace than Richt and possibly some of B-M with him. Richt sells himself on being a nice family man who build great men and he does the part of selling himself very well.

    I don’t understand the thought process of keeping a coach because you fear something worse, in other context that is an abusive relationship..

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    • Irwin R. Fletcher

      I know a worse hire will likely be easier to replace than Richt and possibly some of B-M with him

      So not just unafraid of the post-Fulmer meltdown at Tennessee…you want to embrace it, as well? Good plan.

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      • Grathams replacement

        GM isn’t hiring Laner. UTs meltdown was due to the 10-12 kids quitting between the 3 coaching staffs in 2 years. GM would hire a coach with similar values to Richt not polar opposites like Fulmer and Laner. I believe it’s Moreheads call on Richt, GM is just a highly paid secretary with horrible PR skills.

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        • Otto

          Agreed UT’s failure was due to fall out from Lane, UGA isn’t hiring Lane. Morehead does have the power. He may find another way to fail. Fletcher See my further comments below

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          • Irwin R. Fletcher

            I agree…but then they doubled down on Dooley. I guess that’s the point I’m making…you say ‘we can fire the guy in 3 years and get rid of AD’ and the counter to that is ‘is could take multiple tries not to get a 3 year guy’. Bama went through DuBose, Franchione, Price, Shula, and then tried to hire RichRod before landing on Saban.

            You could pull a Tressell and get the right guy on the first shot. You could also pull a Zook to Meyer. But the point is that it likely takes skill on your administrator’s part to not end up in the wilderness.

            To one of your points below…I honestly think that if the AD doesn’t have someone like Mullen or Jimbo lined up who may even be willing to keep Pruitt and the D staff (and who they would potentially be willing to stay and work with) then it’s a stupid conversation. Not saying that I think Richt should go…I’m truly on the fence…but I think if they had that kind of move ready, they wouldn’t end up with a split if they made the move.

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            • Otto

              I think Richt played nicely with Adams, and Morehead being an Adams disciple likes it that way. I don’t think the AD is the problem but the President and an alumni base who suffered through Adams. I maybe naively hoping for change but I’m not wasting my $$$ aiding their current direction and am voicing my discontent rather than just walking away. As someone who grew up going to Athens every Saturday, and was at the WLOCP to see the transition from Dooley to Goff, it is all I can do. I sincerely hope the next generation of UGA alums will move to support the program.

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    • I don’t understand the thought process of keeping a coach because you fear something worse, in other context that is an abusive relationship..

      Again, not my point. Read my post, please.

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      • Otto

        May not be your thought process but that is the thought process of many

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        • “May not”? Gee, thanks. 😉

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          • Otto

            I have read plenty of comments on this and other UGA blogs, “I don’t want to go back to the Goff years.” I am willing to risk that. Any thought on my 1st paragraph?

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            • Otto

              ..and before anyone asks yes I was in Athens to see GT win a national title and to see Spurrier hang 50 on UGA as well as Goff’s 2 loss season.

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              • AusDawg85

                GODDAMMIT MAN! Last time…the gnats DID NOT WIN A NATIONAL TITLE. Colorado won in 1990. Seriously, of all weeks you get this wrong? I’d ban your sorry ass for this alone.

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              • Uglydawg

                I don’t fear the chance that Georgia’s program will regress horribly under a new coach. I fear the near certainty that it will.

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            • “I don’t have absolute confidence that B-M can make a better hire” is pretty weak sauce, IMO.

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              • Otto

                I want to trust McGarity and I trust him more than most of B-M/Presidents office, big money etc. I actually like his rumored #1 hire but there are many moving parts. If it fails I would hope some that whoever made the wrong decision would be removed from the process. I am willing to accept a decade of struggle to get the program focused on winning.

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                • Appreciate the honesty there, which is more than I get from some.

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                • simpl_matter

                  “I am willing to accept a decade of struggle to get the program focused on winning.”
                  I would argue the program just started doing that last year. For all the long-suffering Eeyores, what’s wrong with giving CMR 2-3 years to work with the new players and personnel? We finally have a recruiting budget and support staff that is on par with Bama. You know, Saban didn’t come to Bama and win right away, they were 7-6 in his first year. A football program is more like a battleship than a racecar, big changes in direction take time to complete.

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            • Rebar

              I wish those wanting to get rid of Coach Richt would do a comparison of Georgia Football the 15 years before Coach Richt got here and the 15 years since he got here. I’m an older fellow and I vividly remember the Goff/Donnan years. Those were terrible years and should leave any level headed fan seeing we are better off with Coach Richt. I am not willing to abide anymore Goff years!

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            • rchris

              Heck, I don’t want to go back to the Dooley years. Richt’s winning percentage is higher and he’s won more bowl games.

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    • Fear sometimes is a rational response, Otto. Your comment here implies that it’s irrational not to account for the risks. As I have said I’m a Georgia grad and fan first and a CMR fan a distant second, but if you don’t get the hire right (see 1989 – Goff, Ray), you better be ready for a rough ride.

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      • Otto

        and my reply is I am ready to risk that rough ride. Hopefully the rough ride would result in more taking initiative on the next hire. The rough ride maybe the discomfort some boosters need to actively back the program rather than belly ache in their suite.

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        • That’s a reasoned perspective, Otto. I’m not sure I’m ready at this point to struggle for bowl eligibility or 4-7 records in exchange for something that may or may not be better, but I totally understand your way of thinking.

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          • Otto

            Thank you I can respect that.

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          • Otto

            I see no reason why UGA can’t be more like Stanford, well coached fundamentally sound, winning, graduating, without arrests, over signing, taunting before games, endzone dances, or 15 yarders for cheap shots when the game isn’t going your way. Stanford doesn’t win the PAC every year but they are competitive and rarely get blown out (Oregon is about the only team to do that). It would take a push from alumni to get the program there.

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            • I agree – David Shaw would be at the top of my list if we made a change – I love how the Cardinal plays. FEAR THE TREE!

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            • Russ

              In my view, the difference between Stanford and UGA is incremental at best, and that’s only been in the last several years. If we had Stanford’s results here, we’d hear the exact same complaining about not winning the big one or competing for championships, or whatever. Stanford has their inexplicable losses, too. That’s why they don’t win championships.

              I admire Stanford’s program for many of the same reasons I admire ours. And that’s why I think it will be hard to change here.

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        • Napoleon BonerFart

          You welcome the risk. Some don’t. Both are rational positions. With changes, UGA could be the next Stanford. But we could also be the next Tennessee.

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    • Red Cup

      That is not the point. I am now officially ambivalent about whether CMR goes or stays. B-M is a hot mess. The whole place needs a good scrubbin’. I have ZERO confidence the suits at B-M making a good hire. They are not going for any “big name” for sure. Too cheap and too much competition for that. That is why I am bummed about the situation. So for now all I want is to go and beat the stinkin yaller jackets. I will continue to go to the games, support the players and whoever happens to be the Dawg coach. Tailgate with friends, enjoy adult beverages and just be grateful I can still do this and have fun.

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  18. Normaltown Mike

    FWIW, I was in sky suites on Saturday and the disgust was palpable. More than once I heard comments like: “I ain’t paying for this $hit” or “I told Greg….” and “I told Jere….”

    We may not have a single booster that controls the AA, but we have a lot of people that write big checks that have given tacit support for GM to do whatever he thinks is right.

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    • Um… any of ’em actually decide to carry out the threat of not paying anymore? ‘Cause that would make a difference.

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      • Normaltown Mike

        I have no idea. I don’t pay for tix so I have no idea when renewals are due and contracts for suites, etc.

        I would say that in the dozen years that I’ve been in those boxes (and it’s always as a guest and has always been at one of the inconsequential games), I’ve NEVER heard people express disgust.

        Maybe it’s idle talk, but the crowds I’ve observed up there aren’t the screaming/frothing throw your Coor’s Lite at the TV kind so to see/hear a near universal discontent was new.

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        • I both pay for tickets and have been in the sky box. The people in the sky box are both disinterested and ignorant of the game of football…. do NOT listen to what you hear upstairs.
          All this conversation about Richt’s future makes me want to remind the hyper verbal anti-Richt crowd that every action has more than one consequence. It is often repeated that Richt will not be fired until season ticket purchases start going down BUT what happens if the loud talking negatrons win and Richt is fired.Has it crossed anyone’s mind that that in and of itself might cause the purchase of season tickets to go down because I can guarantee that if Richt gets fired after winning 10 games …..season ticket purchases will go down by at least one….and I don’t believe I’m the only one.
          And this just goes in the for what is worth department……if any of you hyper knowledgeable think that Pruitt will be anything other than a head coach next year with all these opening is missing some basic supply and demand principles.

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    • Cojones

      Yep, the good ole boys mixed into the BOR are creating this whole scenario that’s causing a hard time for me to controll my anger. They haven’t let up in 5 years and it’s obvious that they charged McGarity to get rid of Richt when they hired him. We have already heard the words from the “open door” incident featuring the “knowing” conversation BOR members had with McG, principally, our former player, the vascular surgeon. Dr. Thomas Lawhorne has continued to be a busy fellow who can’t seem to read a page from his coach’s past(Dooley). This same shit was started by Adams vs Dooley and no one has learned a damned thing since.

      B-M and the BOR have colluded in the past for this resultant (lose talk and speculation about Richt’s future) so I’ll just join into the mix. Power corrupts, but it takes money to fertilize that sentiment. Some of the boys just have to flex their money pouches, become a toothless Auburn in the process and then cast our fandom into the waters for now bowing correctly towards B-M. You #&%*$@$% did this several times before by not supporting Richt and now that Morehead says “Rectify this!”, you play games to try for the same outcome when you openly tried humiliation and disrespect toward our football coach who happens to have power of his own. Many people contribute because Richt is the head of our program. Whenever he retires, he should become our AD, so I’m open to sending the message to McG to hold it down until Richt is ready for McG’s job.

      It is absolutely disgusting what those egos are doing to our school and to our coach continuously. We aren’t paying for their shit either. Throw the bums out before they ruin our program.

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      • Normaltown Mike

        Do you buy tinfoil hats or make your own?

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        • Cojones

          I buy them in the same place you buy yours.

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          • Normaltown Mike

            well said.

            But I don’t get what you mean about some conspiracy of Regents arrayed against CMR.

            He’s had 15 years and has run out of people to blame.

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            • Dog in Fla

              “He’s had 15 years and has run out of people to blame.”

              That means it’s time to call up 85% of the troops to defeat the “Who made you ask that question?” coup attempt

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      • @gatriguy

        Richt as AD? Tell me you’re fucking kidding. I want his lazy, disorganized, good enough is good enough culture to have even more influence like I want a bullet in my head.

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        • Cojones

          With his experience, he would at least know how to support a CFB program.

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        • Debby Balcer

          Where is your support for those claims?

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          • @gatriguy

            No conference title in 10 years.
            3 poor, if not disastrous coordinator hires
            Roster management bordering on program malpractice.
            Special teams-does this really need an explanation?
            A atubborn refusal to move on from his precious 1994 FSU playbook which requires him to go to TX, FL, WA, NC, etc. to find a fit at QB while GA dual threat QBs continue to win titles.
            A complete inability to work with anyone that pushes back.
            Thinking that sticking feathers up his ass will make him a chicken like Saban.

            Do I need to keep going? What is your evidence that he would even remotely be qualified to be AD?

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            • Debby Balcer

              I could start with the poll that coaches would want their son’s to play for Coacsh Richt. What his peers think of him is relevant. You say lazy and disorganized and I see no proof of that in the stats you give. He has a different style then you want. I get that but your support for lazy and disorganized is shallow.

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  19. I have a suggestion for curing the”Georgia Way” once and for all! McGarity is a Georgia boy, he is a part of the “Georgia Problem” and should be the first to go! Richt can win 10 games but its not the “right” 10 games! He’s gone too, along with most of his highly paid assistants! Now what do we do? Let’s hire an AD to do things the right way! Let’s not worry so much about his or her pedigree! We want it done right. New football coach will help us become better! All our programs have to strive for perfection to get better! Joel Eaves was an “Auburn man” who sure as hell made Georgia better! So was Vince Dooley! Now we are on the right track! We’re not so worried about the “Georgia Way” We have been fooling ourselves for quite sometime now! The “winning way” is better than “Georgia Way” after all!!!

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  20. MLB2

    Everyone who has suggested withholding donations and season ticket purchases might do better forming a new UGA booster club independent of the university and start giving the money to 4 and 5 star recruits to persuade them to come to Athens. That would have a far greater impact than firing the coach and you would be behaving more like your idols at Bama and Florida.

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  21. MarkyMorr

    I’d offer a few points.
    1- No decision IS a decision. Remember last year? AD’s indecision cost us Bobo. Wonder if Pruitt or Shotty or Richt has feelers out there and goes ahead and makes a move in the next 2 days. AD usually waits until after the Bowl game to publicly support Richt. That will be too late if that’s his plan again. Grantham bolted before Bobo. We have lost a lot of assistant coaches with AD’s no talk until after Bowl game policy.
    2- AD thinks he needs to keep the coach on edge, so he does this by not publicly supporting him. He hopes it brings out the best in Richt. AD leads by fear, not a good match for Richt who values loyalty.
    3- AD is not helping recruiting. Recruits simply have to keep other options open. And can’t be sure to trust anything the AD says now.
    4- 1 game should not change their decision. 1 more win won’t change people’s minds who thinks he needs to be fired, and 1 more loss won’t convince anyone who thinks he should stay.
    5- I don’t put any stock in anything the AJC says, especially Seth Emerson. None of his predictions have ever turned out to be accurate, and he is one of the least insightful & insider journalists regarding Georgia football. Richt or the AD does not trust the AJC, with good reason. They are a sensationalist rag trying to survive. 680 has reported the exact opposite. Their insiders say that those close to the situation say Richt isn’t going anywhere. And 680 is convinced Richt will be back, and 1 game will not and should not decide his fate, or else you have extremely weak leaders. I tend to agree with Oliver over Emerson any day of the week. He knows Athens better and has been here longer than Seth. The AJC also wrote that Richt was likely gone last year according to their insider sources. And that Pruitt was supposed to be fired a few weeks ago. Wrong both times.
    6- It is beyond obvious AD is leaking info in media to put pressure on Richt to win more games. It’s a lousy way to lead. And I can’t think of 1 fan or coach who likes the AD and thinks he deserves to keep his job. The AD has not accomplished anything in basketball or football since he’s come along. And Richt won 2 conf championships WITHOUT the current AD, so Richt isn’t the problem.

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    • I tend to agree with Oliver over Emerson any day of the week. He knows Athens better and has been here longer than Seth.

      Hoo, boy.

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      • MarkyMorr

        Less an endorsement of Oliver, more of an indictment of Emerson. Both guys are sensationalists, but Oliver’s been here longer, and on this issue, tends to use a LOT more logic than Emerson. Emerson’s whole rationale is one we cannot verify “many close to the situation” so it’s outside of the realm of logic. Oliver’s lays out his logic. I prefer that. At worst, Shotty needs to go, no rational person can say Mark Richt isn’t an excellent Head Coach (judged solely by wins), even this year, without Chubb for the most part and without an experienced Qb, he will win a lot of games. Richt’s done well with good Qb’s (Greene set record for most wins, then DJ won the conf championship, Stafford got us to a No 2 finish, Murray came 5 yards from a BCS Championship). Does Richt struggle with inexperienced Qb’s like Cox, Mason, and Lambert? Of course. If Chubb stays healthy, might go 12-0 in spite of inexperience at Qb, but those 2 factors together, inexperience at Qb and Heisman rb injury, was a killer.

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        • Cojones

          You have Oliver and Emerson twisted. If you read a lot of either you would know that.

          Can’t say I differ with the rest of your discourse. Right-Down-The-Line.

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          • MarkyMorr

            Dude, I heard Chuck Oliver say this yesterday on the show, that it’s beyond insanity to base a decision on 1 game. Oliver also said yesterday Richt will be back for sure in 2016 from what’s he’s hearing. And Emerson in the piece cited here says his insiders say this 1 game will determine Richt’s outcome. I’m not confused.

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            • I guess it’ll take Georgia losing on Saturday to find out who’s correct then, eh?

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              • MarkyMorr

                If that happens, we will find out who’s right, but I hope not. Depends on who GT plays at Qb and their health there. if their Qb is healthy and plays well, they have a shot, otherwise, we win by 14. Eiehter way, it shows how dumb it is to run the triple option, if your star Qb is injured, you’re done.

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              • rchris

                Even if Richt loses to Tech, he’ll be .800 against them.
                Dooley was .760 against them.
                Donnan was .400
                Goff was .714
                Griffith was .000
                Butts was .455

                If you look at it objectively there’s no reason we should be considering firing this guy. The only ones who benefit from this kind of talk are Bama, ‘Burn, Tech, and Tennessee.

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            • Cojones

              Didn’t say Oliver didn’t say something correct ever, but if you have read or listened to him for years, including recruiting, I’d venture to say you wouldn’t have that opinion of him based on yesterday’s statement. Just the opposite with Seth. You may differ some from time to time, but Seth is one writer I trust to tell his truths without trying to scramble our senses. He has projected players into positions before they are announced, he keeps up pretty much with the facts and there is less editorial comment to fllter through in his writings.

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        • BMan

          “If Chubb stays healthy, might go 12-0 in spite of inexperience at Qb…” Um, Chubb was healthy for the Alabama game, and we got our asses kicked. No matter what side of the Richt debate you’re on, at least don’t say stuff that’s just patently false. The remainder of your post is just about your preference of a radio guy with “his man in Athens” (Pliver’s words on many occasions) versus a print guy with “sources close to the situation.”

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    • MLB2

      Oliver over Emerson? Really? AJC and all the sports radio stations are equally terrible.

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    • I think Oliver vs Emerson is a red herring. I think there is a larger point to take away from Oliver saying this and Emerson saying that. And it’s one to take away from the recent “Black Wednesday” fiasco as well.

      There’s probably multiple factions insides B-M/the BOR/amongst the decision makers right now. They’re pursuing disparate agendas. This is not shit you get at Bama. If Jeremy Pruitt or some other coach didn’t leak the Wednesday shenanigans (and I do not believe they did but lack any hard evidence pointing in any direction), that means it’s was BOR/B-M. That leak accomplished exactly nothing, except making louder a narrative that suits some people. It certainly doesn’t gain an unhappy assistant anything. And while it one faction (if they exist) cannot control another, we’ve got factions who can’t make up their own damn mind about what they even want.

      This shit happens in this manner at dysfunctional places and nowhere else. This is true regardless of whether Richt is back or not.

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      • Russ

        Oh, it happens at Bama, too. Remember all the Kiffin rumors after the Ole Miss game? Even BD commented on it. But winning squashes a lot of rumors. Or at least winning in dominant fashion does.

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    • Dawgy45

      Please tell me 680 has hired a new guy named Oliver because surely you aren’t referring to Chuck Oliver who didn’t have the balls to own up to his line of questioning directed at Richt in a post-bowl press conference a few years ago when Richt called him out on it. There’s no way you mean the same Chuck Oliver who, for two days, hammered Richt for violating school policy by allowing Branden Smith to play despite a mandatory 1 game suspension following an arrest, when in fact a mandatory suspension is not school policy. It’s fine with me if you don’t like Seth’s reporting, but to offer Chuck Oliver as an example of where to turn for good information is beyond ridiculous. There are plenty of good sources of information out there but after a couple of twitter exchanges with CO I have to conclude that he is not one of them.

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    • Dawgy45

      ” 680 has reported the exact opposite. Their insiders say that those close to the situation say Richt isn’t going anywhere. And 680 is convinced Richt will be back, and 1 game will not and should not decide his fate, or else you have extremely weak leaders. I tend to agree with Oliver over Emerson any day of the week. ”

      Once again it has been demonstrated that Oliver doesn’t know his butt from a hole in the ground. You should seriously consider a new source of information.

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  22. Bulldog Joe

    We are going to count our pennies at the end of the fiscal year.

    Then we will make our decision.

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  23. Bright Idea

    I just wonder how much longer we can keep having this discussion before it completely destroys UGA football. The only reason it has not already been destroyed is the players seem immune to it and keep on playing. In this era, that is amazing.

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    • MarkyMorr

      I agree. If AD stays silent until after Bowl, we will lose Shotty or Pruitt or Richt or key Asst’s or a combination. Recruiting will take a huge hit after 8 negative weeks of negative publicity. Players will transfer. More friction will occur between Richt and media and Richt and Admin. That’s the minimum damage.

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    • Cojones

      BI, your posts are on top of it for several days. Don’t count on anyone but a few being able to project for the future like you make your case. Please keep it up because it’s a damned sight more adult than a lot ofd the feckless crap being tossed about.

      Remember the argument a couple years ago from posters who said what we write never gets read by the recruits/players which was disproved before the week was over? One 4* decommitted and another verified that he had articles placed where he read them, including the comments. These people who want Richt’s head are fan abusive in their lack of knowledge about our program, coaches and their wild downer comments.

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      • Bright Idea

        Richt’s biggest fault was getting too comfortable and complacent after the Sugar Bowl beatdown of Hawaii. He didn’t want to go anywhere so he never fought Adams on anything for the program while he had the capital to do so. Since then it has been nothing but an ongoing argument over his status. The only timeout was for Evans and the red pantie episode. Fire him and it starts over with the new guy so what’s the difference?

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    • Cosmic Dawg

      I’m starting to realize every top 25 program is this way. As someone pointed out above, Ohio State is falling apart after winning the whole shooting match last year. LSU. It’s just ridiculous – every single game has a team that loses, but few fans of the top programs have the fortitude to accept losing, and I’m often the same way. Where did these expectations come from?

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  24. Jared S.

    Richt isn’t going anywhere after this season. And he knows it! All you’ve got to do is compare his demeanor at his press conference with that of Les Miles. Les knows he’s toast. Richt knows he’s going to have at least one more shot.

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    • MarkyMorr

      I agree. No way Richt makes the cross country visit to mislead Eason. No way. Richt’s in until the end of 2016, like it or not.

      He has earned a shot to see what he can do with a healthy Chubb and a true Pro Style uber talented Qb Eason.

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  25. rchris

    In the 15 years he’s been here, which coaches have won more games than Richt? Which ones have won more bowl games? Who has played for more conference championships in that time? Who has won more conference championships? Not many, and all future Hall of Famers. In the past five years, how many Power 5 coaches have won as many games as Richt at the same school? How many of those coaches would be willing to leave their school for Georgia? Other than the year they bought, and the miracle year, how has Auburn done since firing Tuberville? How has Tennessee done since firing Fulmer? What’s Nebraska’s record this year? Where is Georgia currently ranked in this year’s recruiting? What is Richt’s winning percentage compared to Dooley, Butts, Mehre, Griffith, Goff, or Donnan? Be careful what you wish for.

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  26. doofusdawg

    Excellent post. CMR playing for his job each and every game is really nothing more than cover for adgm to make a hard decision. I really do think that adgm wishes we had lost to Southern so that the decision would have been made for him.

    But then again I think that cmr was somewhat relieved… maybe in the deep bowels of his mind… that Davis dropped that touchdown pass vs. ut… so that he didn’t have to make the decision of whether or not to go for two.

    Capitulation has many forms.

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  27. El Dawgo

    With all the money that BM is supposedly throwing around, why have they not invited in someone competent at PR. Saying nothing always speaks more loudly than saying something. They are pitiful at shaping any narrative surrounding UGA football. Its no wonder the fanbase is so split right now; so is all the talking heads at BM. Circle the wagons, support UGA football, have a common talking point, and don’t hem-haw around making a decision. Fire, hire, keep whatever-but come out and say it.

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    • 92 grad

      The team deserves to have a normal week with their coaches. Fake juice “playing for the coach” is unfair to the commitment those kids have made to themselves and everyone associated with Georgia.

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  28. If the Dawgs lose to Tech, Richt is Gone? If the Dawgs beat Tech,
    Then I imagine that It will be: Win the Bowl Game or Richt Is Gone?

    My biggest concern remains to be: What happens to this above average
    2016 Recruiting Class that the Dawgs are putting together?

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  29. Personally I hold out hope that letting Richt go will be a liberating experience for the cowards who want to wait for him to have an epic collapse so they can fire him without fear of criticism. I agree, the Tech game should be meaningless in this decision. But like I said in October, this is what I was worried about. That we’d stumble into 9 wins and our feeble administration would be afraid to fire him because it might be a criticized move.

    You’re right. Things won’t change if Richt stays and they may not change if he leaves. I’d still rather give it a shot though.

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  30. AusDawg85

    What happened to Scorpio?

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    • Dog in Fla

      He vanished but before doing so, she told him he could leave his hat on even though the protective coloration made him more difficult to see. In any event, he just left it on the coffee table

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  31. W Cobb Dawg

    Its about the assistants more than it’s about Richt. With CMR, it’s the assistants that run the O, D, STs, recruiting, and the myriad other tasks necessary for the program. Unlike saban, who has his fingerprints on every detail, CMR is more of a figurehead. It’s up to our assistants to do the heavy lifting. I’m more concerned about Pruitt staying put than I am about CMR.

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