… then it shouldn’t take too much to find the right guy to step in and fill Mark Richt’s shoes, right?
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Get The Picture · Bloviation for the Dawgnation
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Anyone who thinks winning 9-10 games a year just involves getting of the bus..well..I think they could be a little crazy.,
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Love these articles, they are very dumb but they are exactly how things need to proceed. The next coach should absolutely be held to the same expectations that we had for Richt. We need to start going through coaches rapid fire. It’s going to be a lot of really terrible seasons that I won’t pay attention to, but eventually McGarity’s successor (or his successor’s successor) will strike it lucky.
That, or just hire Petrino. I see no reason not to at this point.
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The next coach should absolutely be held to the same expectations that we had for Richt.
You do realize Richt was given 15 years under those expectations, right?
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Absolutely! If he keeps pace with Richt, keep the dude for 15 years (or more, in my opinion).
But if he doesn’t, say his first three seasons don’t stack up to Richt’s long term average, cut him loose. None of this ‘give him time to get his guys in here’ – screw that. He’s getting a good team, and if he can even keep half the guys recruited so far as a base he’ll have a solid first year recruiting class.
So if he starts with, say, an 11 win season and a 7 win season, fire his ass. We’ve made an unprecedented move in firing Richt, so no coach here is coming for job security anyway.
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We’ll probably do like Kansas State (Snyder), and Tark’s Minnesota Vikings (Bud Grant). Hire a dope who wrecks everything, then ditch him and re-hire the previous/successful HC to rebuild the program.
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Sadly, I feel that would actually be the quickest way back to 10+ win seasons, after GM screws the pooch and hires a defensive coordinator to lead our program. Bobo, at least, knows how to run a college football team, as he has been HC for a year. Also, as stated by others, we could keep Eason and shore up our offensive woes, while possibly keeping Pruitt and ditching Sale
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Rick is right, but why are we talking 3 years. Folks, we are SUPPOSEDLY hiring a head coach who is better than the “under achieving” Richt. There is talent galore and the schedule is easier. Anything less than 10 wins next year is totally unacceptable. This ain’t UVA or Iowa State or Syracuse. We have just fired a coach who won at least 9 games. With the talent coming back, why is anything less than 10 wins remotely acceptable. Not saying fire the guy after one year, but he sure as hell ought to be on the hot seat. What is this 3 year crap?
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Fine…new coach needs to win the SEC in his 2nd year.
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Heh, even I wouldn’t go that far 🙂
Using a noisy variable like championships is what got us into this mess. Winning percentage (particularly conference winning percentage) is far more sensitive and accurate, although it’s still not very good. Richt’s median season is 10 wins and a top 10 finish. That’s the standard for the new guy, but now that it’s clear even that isn’t good enough for our fans we should have a quick trigger if he doesn’t meet it immediately. Our Urban Meyer or Nick Saban is out there, we just may have to go through 15 years and half a dozen coaches to get him.
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First 8 win or less year, especially if one or more losses is a blowout, I may come down with a severe case of the chili-squirts, and will post several times a day about the need to fire whoever that coach may be. Gonna be fun.
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Oh, the poor senator 😦
I’m just going to embrace the apathy after the hire is announced, so that I simply won’t be here to be a pain in his ass.
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Ok I saw what you did there. “Chilisquirts” needs,to be in Lexicon!
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Unfortunately, I think firing Richt made this our new expectation. This, along with the fact that he’s a Dawg, is why I don’t think Smart will be our HC. I’ve been wrong before…
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SEC in first or second year, NC by third year or so long, next candidate. That would be my comment to new coach. We just let a 9 win average go. No SEC for 10 years . Win NOW.
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Winning 10 games just by showing up is not the goal is it? The new coach has to win 13 or 14 games just by showing up.
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“Georgia could sleepwalk to 10-2,” Jeremy Attaway of SB Nation’s Dawg Sports said. That’s the kind of crap that got Richt fired. Everyone wants to believe that it is so easy. Then when it’s not, well we “underperformed”. Richt worst enemy was his success. We’re about to find out how easy it is. I remember the 90’s, that was a cake walk.
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Familiarity breeds contempt. All these idiots along with the rest of us are about to get a taste of true mediocrity I fear. I hope I’m wrong, but the odds are much greater that McG flubs this hire and we wander the desert hoping for bowl eligibility this next decade than him hitting one out of the park.
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Those of us who suffered as students under the Ray Goff era damn well remember mediocrity…
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Hell that was not mediocrity that was just plain bad
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Butts, Dooley, Goff, & Donnan did not have the won / lost record Richt Had.
I sincerely doubt that the next Hc will have a better won / lost percentage.
A lot of you got what you wanted, now you have to live with It.
As an avid Dawg Fan, I hope that I am wrong.. Time Will Tell.
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Any coach coming in is going to know they are getting an offense that has questions at every position except rb and a defense that was improving, but will be losing 3 of the starting LBs. With this they will be expected to turn out 10+ win seasons. They will also get the strictest drug policy in the conference, a frugal athletic department and an entitled fan base.
Just see that as being a hard sell unless the athletic department opens up the checkbooks.
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And some phantom(s) in charge telling the AD what coordinators to hire.
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4 DLs graduate too: Mayes, DeLoach, Bailey, and Dawson. This is more rebuilding than reloading.
We certainly can’t afford to have an average recruiting class. Pruitt, Bmac & Brown may have some negotiating mojo vs. McG after all.
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Listening to Chuck&Chernoff yesterday their stance was “don’t expect the new guy to have the same winning percentage but this is the right move.”
After saying for a year that anybody can win 9-10 at UGA the first day during change in leadership they change the narrative.
I wish there were better local listening options but Mike Bell has the maturity of an 11 year old.
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Crazy Ira and the Douche
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Sirus/XM has a college sports channel that is outstanding. I listen to it for the majority of every day and find it informative and interesting. Unfortunately some of PAWWWWWWWLLLL’s listeners have figured out how to dial a different number and show up on some of the shows reinforcing the SEC stereotypes.
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10 wins a year IS easy!
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Pruitt is now a candidate for the USCe job…money quote is that Richt recommended him AND
http://georgia.247sports.com/Bolt/Pruitt-emerges-as-a-candidate-at-South-Carolina-41601264
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Oh great another USCe coach with a hard on for us. This just gets better and better.
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It would be hard for him to recruit to Columbia….oh wait, he’s recruiting right now.
Honestly, if this whole replace your coach thing is going how it looks like it is going…it is a complete dumpster fire. The only thing missing is the Smart taking the job at Carolina AND hiring Pruitt as his DC and then UGA getting rebuffed by candidate after candidate until we are forced to hire Laner.
You get the feeling it’s either done behind the scenes or we are teetering on a precipice hoping that Jimmy Sexton doesn’t shift his weight.
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We are forced to hire Laner, and BOOM! is our new DC.
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Oh, it could get worse than that—“I’m proud to introduce your new head coach of the Georgia Bulldogs…Chris Hatcher.”
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AJC reporting it’s Kirby. Good…at least it seems like McGarity had his man and got him.
Now I don’t believe that Chip Towers came up with the description of Kirby being a ‘healer’ of torn Bulldog fans on his own…
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So we’re left with McG – and Schotty’s under contract.
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New guy has 4 years to reach the SEC title game. First season, 8 wins is acceptable. Second season, it better be 10. By the third year, if he’s not in the title game, he gets “one more, now that HIS recruits are veterans.” Fourth year, he has to reach the title game. If he doesn’t, he’s gone. If he does and loses, he gets one more. If he does and wins, he gets another recruiting cycle (4 more years).
Unless he loses to FL more than twice. If he has a losing record to FL, get him out of here.
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Oh, dear god, the ‘he needs his guys’ excuse will stretch 10 years of futility into 20. AND you care which specific team he loses to?
I would make fun of you for shit like this, but I can’t because you’d honestly probably be a marked improvement over our current AD.
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As for “caring which specific team he loses to” – yes. Richt’s biggest issue was losing to Florida. That’s why he lost his job. 2002, 2005 would have resulted in Natty opportunities if not for losses to FL. 2014 and 2015 would have been trips to Atlanta if not for losses to Florida. He went 5-10 against Florida.
In the SEC, it’s “Beat Bama” …
In the EAST, it’s “Beat Florida”
So yes, you’re damned right I expect the new guy to do it, and do it in spades…or he’s gone.
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Well, in the east it’s ‘Beat Georgia’, right? We’ve had the best record in the division 40% of Richt’s years, and have the best conference record in that time by a mile.
Thankfully, we just beat ourselves. Mission Accomplished!
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And yes, that is the new standard. At least you are giving him four years to my three. I watched what Willingham did to my alma mater and it can go down the chute very quickly. Win and win now.
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4 years to reach the title game? Richt was in it in 2012…if we wanted a title appearance every 4 years, why did we fire the other guy? In fact, Richt averaged an appearance every 3 years.
Instant. Results. Otherwise firing Richt was stupid.
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Precisely. We just doomed ourselves to never being able to get head guys from the next tier down like Patterson or Dantonio because it isn’t worth the risk. It’s up-and-coming coordinators or non-P5 HCs for us from here on out. Those are high variance moves, so we will likely have to make a lot of them.
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You guys really don’t understand the concept of “this is the stupid fucking way our AD thinks” do you?
Why do you think there were quotes around the “HIS PLAYERS” line?
Firing Richt was stupid. That’s all it was. Patently stupid. If the next guy isn’t in the CFP within 2 years, fire him and bring in a new guy. We’ve decided that all we want at UGA is a title.
That’s it. That’s literally all we want.
So, fire everyone who doesn’t bring you one within two years…because that’s the benchmark. That’s what Urban did. That’s what Saban did. That’s what Chizik did. There’s an outside chance that McElwain could do it in 1.
So, that’s new standard. No coach reaches a third year without a title. Anything less, and you shoulda kept Richt. You decided that “doing it the right way and having a shot every few years” wasn’t enough. So, Fire Everyone until you get that title.
Go Dawgs.
pathetic.
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McGarity: “Hmm, so you are saying hire Gene Chizik?”
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You have won the internets today, sir.
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+1
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Richt didn’t get fired for not winning a national title in 15 years. He did not get fired for not winning the SEC since 2005. He probably did not get fired for not winning the SEC East as a heavy favorite the last three years. He got fired because his team was humbled at home by Alabama, blew a 21 point lead in Knoxville, and got embarrassed by Florida in JAX. This is after a year where he lost to a horrible USCe team, got run over by a pathetic Florida team, and literally gave away a win to GT.
Sorry, but your narrative that “all we want is a title” is not true. I for one would like to see the new coach not get his pants pulled down on an annual basis for starters.
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So you would have kept him with a 21-20 loss to Alabama, a 38-31 loss to UT where we rallied from being 21 down to losing by 7, and a 17-14 loss to Florida?
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Exactly, he got fired because losses make people angry, look at how emotionally charged every sentence is – ‘blew a lead’, ’embarrassed’, ‘humbled’, ‘lost to a horrible team’, ‘got run over by a pathetic team’, ‘literally gave away’. They were losses. Losses suck. No coach loses even 30% of his games by close margins to superior teams, and that can be quantified to show that Richt was in this respect no different from any other coach. But there is no point quantifying how good or bad he is, is there? Mark Richt was fired because ANGRY FIRE NOW.
Bill Connelly put it perfectly: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/11/30/9817910/mark-richt-fired-georgia-football-coaching-search
The job of an AD is to shield us from emotional decisions. GJ, McGarity.
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You left out “curb stomped.” Let’s face it: we succumbed to loud, angry idiots.
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I mean, we’re all loud, angry idiots on the inside, but…..yeah, that’s what happened.
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…and I believe that was his intent from his first day.
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“I mean, we’re all loud, angry idiots on the inside…”
There’s more than just a dollop of truth here. Well done.
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One person did…
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I’ll be sure to use “curb stomped” in my next description of the Alabama game.
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Your getting the Chilisquirts Du? I’m
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I get it now. Thanks for clearing that up.
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@ Dukes. Agree win and win now. Chase that title no matter what.
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Sorry. I expect, and demand, no less than 22 wins for the first 2 seasons. He has to do better than the 10 win a year floor that got the last guy fired. Since 10 wins this year was underachieving and we will have a better coach next year, 8 wins will be a failure and 10 will not be acceptable.
If he wins 9 or fewer he will not meet the “be in contention for a championship” standard, either, and will have failed.
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He didn’t win 10 yet this year, and with that offense I wouldn’t bet the farm on it happening unless Pruitt pitches a shutout and we have a pick 6.
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So just so I get this straight your argument against people assuming he would win the bowl is that you assume he would lose the bowl?
Solid.
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Nope. Just pointing out that he, in fact, has not won 10 games this year as was STATED. That seems to be the only benchmark for some and there should be no confusion.
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It was the second part of the sentence I locked in on.
Anyway…10 wins a year isn’t saying he won 10 this year…but you do realize he’s won 49 over the last 5 years and been to two SECCGs?
If the new guy doesn’t top that, it’s a failure, right?
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Cherry picking accomplishments are we? Don’t leave out all of the epic failures in big games and bone headed mistakes. Does the the new coach get a pass on total lack of clock or roster management too?
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Just so I get this right…I’m cherry picking by listing actual wins and actual appearances in the SECCG while you are being completely balanced by asking rhetorical questions about ambiguous ‘failures’….?
Whatever. If the new guy doesn’t win championships despite impeccable roster and game management and lack of bone headed mistakes, you aren’t going to be lobbying to keep him because of his clock management skills (unless you are actually Mark Bradley …zing!) so don’t act like that is what this is about.
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Look man, as much as it pains you, Richt is gone. Gone baby gone! You need to go argue for some other guy who didn’t get shit canned yet.
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That’s what is so funny to me. I’m not arguing about keeping Richt. I’m setting forth what I can only assume is your standard for the new guy…and you are getting defensive and deflective about it.
…folks arguing for a standard so they can justify letting Richt go now want to run and hide when it is applied to Kirby. Open question still to you…if the Kirby doesn’t top Richt’s resume from the last 5 years, is it a failure?
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Good grief at all the fondness for ass-kickings from UF and the annual face-plant games. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I’ll support the program even if it wanders a bit in wilderness.
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Hey you’re right. Hillbillies wandered a bit and they won 8 this year. Go Bootch!!!
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Yes!
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I promise it is worse getting taken to the woodshed by Florida as an unranked team versus going into the game thinking you have a shot. You know why 97 was so special? Because NO ONE ever thought UGA had a chance in a game in Jax.
And the problem with the wilderness is that you can get lost in a hurry. And when you get lost…that’s when you starve or getting eaten by hungry bears.
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I could argue that it is even worse to go down to JAX with fake juice like the dumb black helmets and still get waxed anyway. A loss is a loss. You guys are starting to sound like you WANT the new coach to lose so you can continue to moan about how Richt was done wrong and yell “I TOLD YOU SO!!!”
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+100
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I don’t want the new coach to lose. Quite the contrary.
However, the reservations I had over firing Richt haven’t gone away. The biggest issues have always been ‘who are we going to replace him with/who is making the decision on who we are replacing him with/what are the expectations.’
The common refrain for folks that wanted to keep Richt was that we were scared to be great or ‘nothing ventured, nothing gained.’ My counter to that has always been I think the chances of UGA hitting a home run after Richt and winning the SEC/NC in the next 3 seasons are lower than Richt getting over the hump in the next 3 seasons. Part of that was due to the fact that I thought ADGM would screw up the hire. The jury is still out, but man I’m pessimistic right now and it’s barely been 48 hours.
Interesting now that the shoe is on the other foot…Richt supporters have the hypothetical ‘what if’ while those that wanted Richt fired will have actual data to support their decision…and you immediately go to the ‘you want UGA to lose’ card. If you lobbied for Richt to get fired and are already lobbing off responses like that, you need to get thicker skin and own what you lobbied for IMO.
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It sounds like a win-win for me. If it works out then great. If it doesn’t, well then, I told you so.
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It kind of is, but it’s really loss because I’m just not going to care that much either way. Impatience and fury have won the day decisively, reason has lost, and nothing can change that.
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Fuck no. I will spend thousands of dollars next year on between contribution, tickets and travel expenses. I will not want to lose games for any fucking reason.
The guys whose level of support is buying a cap and watching games at a sportsbar are the type who want to lose to prove a point.
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https://twitter.com/BearsActHuman/status/633126688658976768
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My first attendee game was in ’71 against Auburn. I was at UGA for the Herschel years. I watched Dooley led teams slip into mediocrity and saw Russell passed over for the job which I feel was the greatest mistake EVER made for UGA football. I watched Knapp and a committee fucking lead us to Ray who was so out of his depth when he took the job. I’ve held season tickets from Dooley, Goff, Donnan and Richt. This program was left by Richt in better shape than he got it and I grateful. It doesn’t mean the next coach won’t succeed in spades or that they won’t struggle, but if the next coach can address the few issues that seemed to befuddle Richt I think the program will legitimately improve. If it doesn’t? I’ll still support the team. I don’t want to see the program paralyzed by the fear that things could get worse instead of better.
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Tip of the cap to you, my friend. Good to know your perspective and frankly gives me more respect for your opinion about the wilderness knowing you’ve experienced it before.
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Yes a good view. Been attending, with season tickets, except when out west, since 1954. Remember the seasons of losses to Tech and the Griffith years. Still will support win or lose. A lot of this has to do with attending some schools that really screwed the pooch with some hires and on the other side some great hires too. That being said, I think the standard is now win and win now. Just the way it is across the country.
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The most georgia thing would be for Pruitt to go to USC and hire Bobo as OC, the Richt to go to Mizzou and both beat UGA often.
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Honestly…Smart goes to Carolina…hires Richt as the OC, Pruitt as the DC…Carolina puts tons of $$$ behind the program and they basically take the 2016 recruiting class from UGA and lay the foundation to dominate the East for the next decade.
IF someone wanted to show up McGarity and show how it ‘could have been’ at UGA…and someone had a school with a complex to back it…well, it would work.
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This is going to be so much fun? to watch, I regret i’m as old as I am.
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Ahhh ur not old…well aged! 😉
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ding
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The improvement that we’re hoping for – and that we hope (though question) B-M can deliver with the new hire – is only incremental. Big changes aren’t necessary. The new head coach’s responsibility is going to be 1) Not screw up the good things that are already in place – and, thanks in large part to Richt, there are many – and 2) Get right the details that Richt seemingly couldn’t. If the new coach can do this – essentially, resulting in one (sometimes two) more quality wins a year – then UGA will be a full-time member of the elite instead of just the pretty good. Can this happen? Sure. Will it happen? We’ll see. Finding those individuals who get all the major details right isn’t easy because there aren’t many of them. There’s always a risk you’ll do worse not accepting “pretty good,” but it’s not like this program is a tear down. It’s more like a well-kept early 20th century mansion that “just” needs new wiring.
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Well said I totally agree
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I don’t get it. The MadHatter and Richt had contracts thru 2019. One buyout was 4.1 and the other 15…Mark needs a new agent?
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I think a lot of it was just that CMR was comfortable and did not care to push the athletic department for ridiculous contracts. Also Richt was never going to leave UGA to go coach somewhere else, unless as has occurred now, he was canned.
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he didn’t have an agent he negotiated his own contract.
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Senator, thanks for the good times here (and the bittersweet) and I’m appreciative of the blogging slack given. What was fun has become mundane blogging in a mixed exultation of change. My heart ain’t in it.
Fannie Mae and Priscilla have become the objects of attention in our empty nest (wife has two great children in So Cal and my three are strewn from Tex to Mt to No Cal) since they all will be with their separate families during the Holidays. Fannie Mae’s dulcet voice arises once again from our Wed nite choir practices with an energetic accompaniment from Prissy that floats across the lake at dark from our truck-operatic stage complete with loud classical music. Christmas decorations are going up with help from both girls clasping red flowers in their front teeth while carrying them to the decorative site black fence (now growing more red) around the patio.
I wish all bloggers here the best of Holidays beginning with Hanukkah on the 6th and continuing through Christmas to the New Year. I will keep up with our UGA news here, but only for info and not input. Senator, my new Daughter-in-Law will keep us in the spirit and tradition beginning with latkes recipes and details of the Celebration of Lights that will keep me thinking of yall while wishing the best for you and your family.
See you next year- maybe (just so this statement represents a threat instead of platitudes). It has been enjoyable reading most of yall’s inputs and views even in crisis times.
Merry Christmas to you all!
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I’ll miss your input Cojones, and will be sad to no have your take on situations represented here. We’ll wishes to you, and yours.
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May the Kharmic Bitchez bring you peace, prosperity and a good new hat for Christmas Cojo. Believe me I get where you are coming from, there. 😀
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Enjoyed your posts Cojones and wish you happy holidays as well.
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Don’t do it, Cojones.
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Merry Christmas to you too Cojones. Keep the faith bro. Check in when Fall rolls around.
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Gonna miss you Cojones, you are always entertaining.
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Well damn. Enjoyed the banter and exchanges with you. I’m probably not far behind you though. Ya know, it wasn’t gonna last forever. Right? How long can Bluto maintain his pace and patience? IDK.
Him and Bernie are my favorites.
My kids are grown. Oldest looking for med intership. Youngest finishing his 2L and needs more suits for his intership this summer. How many suits does a lawdawg need? Jeepers! I’d like to peer into Bluto’s closet.;-)
Keep well and God’s speed Balls. 😉
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Merry Christmas Cojones hopefully in the new year t here will actual football to talk about and not the sad state of UGA. Enjoy those grandbabies your priorities are in the right place.
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‘Tis the season, so be sure to keep those cojones warm.
See ya back here when the time is right.
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Enjoy the family and good health. Priorities sound in great order.
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This hire has much more at stake than all the others referenced in the article combined, so the track record of the other hires are not as relevant compared to this one.
Greg will play a key role, but others are involved as this is the key revenue-generator for the entire athletic department and is also a key revenue generator for the university.
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Hope you’re right. But whenever I see McGarity’s name it reminds me of ‘new coke’.
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We are going to lose a defensive coordinator because Greg McGarity could not get along with him…because he made The Georgia Way break out in hives?
Its gonna be a long winter.
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Just wait until he calls a press conference to announce Brian Van Gorder as the head coach…
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He is being talked about for USCe
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It’s not about winning 10 games and everyone here knows it. You’re just itching to bust the new coaches balls the first year if he doesn’t win 10.
Richt didn’t get fired for winning 10 games. He got fired because too many 9-10 win seasons were torpedoed by embarassing performances that ruined our title chances.
The new coach doesn’t need to average 10 wins. He just needs to average better than 1 SEC championship in 3 appearances every 10 years.
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Let’s not forget consistently fielding a roster of 85, thus enabling us to bring an actual gun to a gun fight (instead of a knife, slingshot, etc.)
Attention to detail matters too. As Senator said so damn well yesterday, with CMR, seemingly every glaring problem would finally be addressed far too late…just to have yet another problem quickly arise which would linger for just as long.
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“You’re just itching to bust the new coaches balls the first year if he doesn’t win 10.”
This is true, not so much because people want to see Richt’s successor do poorly, but because this is the bar UGA/McGarity has set for Richt’s successor. People think I’m crazy when I ask this, but I’m serious: who would WANT this job this year? The bar is set impossibly high. Everyone is saying that this opening is now the best opportunity for an HC, but I don’t think it is. The way I see it, this Georgia HC position is not currently the most attractive HC opening in the country. It may be in, say, three or four years when UGA (quite possibly) fires whoever succeeds Richt. But it’s not attractive this year. His successor basically has three years to:
Win an SEC Championship
Failing that, at least appear in the SECCG
Failing that, at least match Richt’s W-L record, while maintaining his level of class
all the while holding together or BESTING his very good 2016/17 recruiting classes, and maintaining his level of class
I don’t really see any HC candidate on the scene who’s anything close to a “sure thing” to achieve any of this. There is no Urban Meyer, or Nick Saban, or even Jim Harbaugh. (And I wouldn’t want any of those dudes as UGA’s HC, anyway…) Am I missing something?
Again, this doesn’t have anything to do with whether Richt should have been fired. That’s a moot point now anyway. The question is, now, whether the next guy’s gonna be any better? If I were a betting man, I’d put $1,000 on “no.”
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I’ve said this before, but you could dig up Bear Bryant, prop him up on the sidelines, put that goofy hat on him, and likely win at least 5-6 games next year at Georgia. Look at that schedule. Vandy, Kentucky, USCe, Mizzou, GT, and 2 cupcakes does not sound so daunting to me. If McGarity could retain Pruitt, then he and Bear’s corpse could maybe win 7-8.
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And the second he proves not to be…McGarity should be fired immediately. Like if Greg’s new guy comes in year 1 and fails to make a bowl game–exactly one year from last Sunday, there should be media leaks at noon confirming his termination. Then we should run him out of town with torches and have a parade once he is gone.
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I think you missed my point Jared. The bar isn’t “average better than 9 wins a year.” We had a coach who did that. And despite that win average, his greatest accomplishment in the last ten years, the only thing we had to hang our hat on, was a close loss to Alabama in 2012.
Who would WANT to come here? My guess is any coach who wants to hang his hat on championships and not 9 win seasons. And you’ll hear that from the new coaches mouth, I’d guess, soon enough.
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I think you missed my point. I didn’t say the bar was “average better than 9 wins a year.” I clearly delineated what the bar appears to be:
“Win an SEC Championship
Failing that, at least appear in the SECCG
Failing that, at least match Richt’s W-L record, while maintaining his level of class
all the while holding together or BESTING his very good 2016/17 recruiting classes, and maintaining his level of class”
And I said the new coach will have exactly 3-4 years to accomplish these things. Short of doing these things, he (and McGarity) will widely be judged a failure. I seriously doubt that many (sane) coaches would want this challenge. They’re set up to fail. And not fail in general, but fail to meet very very high expectations.
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It’s THE question…what are the expectations?
Richt took over a program from Donnan that had talent but had some of the similar problems the program faces today…at least that’s what the folks that wanted a change would say.
If the program is in a better state now than when took over (which seems to be universal), why wouldn’t we expect an SEC championship in the first two or three seasons? My expectations for Richt next year were to compete for an SEC Championship…why would they be less for a new coach?
McElwain, Muschamp, Mahlzhan…they’ve all been to BCS bowls or the SECCG in their first season. So did Les taking over a 9-3 LSU team. Richt did it in his second…so did Saban and Urban and Chizik. That’s what we want, right?
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Any standard for how he should do between SEC CG appearances, or is a 2007 season no better than an 6-6 season?
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6-6 should get you fired. Richt should have been fired on the heels of the 2009 season and I’d hold any new coach to that too. The lone exception might be in his first season, under certain extenuating circumstances, like a coach leaving the cupboards bare. I don’t think UGA’s cupboards are bare but we’ve definitely got some issues in certain places.
That said, I don’t need the new guy to win 9-10 games every year. Get us to Atlanta on a consistent basis. That’s all I ask.
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I preface this question by saying (and meaning) that I’m not being snarky, I’m just trying to understand your rationale:
You say the new coach should be fired for being 6-6, but doesn’t need to win 9-10 games a year to be successful. He just needs to “get us to Atlanta on a consistent basis.” So, that means you think 7-8 wins is okay some years as long as he gets us to Atlanta, say once every two or three years?
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Yes.
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So doing it twice in a row is really a waste in your criteria? Dang! Richt should have just spread those 5 appearances out every 3 years and he would have had your approval.
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He has officially chilisquirted all of his brains out.
Let me get this straight: Your criteria for a “successful” coach is to get to Atlanta every 2 or 3 years but he is allowed to suck ass and go 7-4/8-4 the other years?
We just fired a coach that went to the SECCG 5 times in 14 years (which meets your “every 2 or 3 years” criteria on average) and averaged winning 10 games in the years we didn’t go to the Dome.
So what you are basically saying is that you want us to rehire Mark Richt?
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EXACTLY!!
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Well played sir
Chilisquirts indeed
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I love how you guys like to twist words.
First off, Richt was not getting us to Atlanta every 2-3 years. If you total up all his SECCG appearances, and divide by 15, then you have an average of 1 appearance per three years. But that’s not what happened, is it? Richt had 3 SECCG appearances from 2001-2005, and then only 2 from 2006-2015.
He fell off. There’s really no sense in arguing with you, because you’re just interested in “gotcha” quotes. But I said the other day, a new coach who could come in and do what Richt did from 2001-2005 would be great. But Richt couldn’t do it anymore.
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“Squirt,squirt,squirt…….” That is all I hear when I read your posts. Chilisquirts is an appropriate moniker for you since you are like the “squirts” everywhere.
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Boy, you’re a real wordsmith.
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Actually 2 in the last 5 years is every 2 or 3 years by definition, right? So IF he fell off, he came back by your own definition.
It’s fun to play the ‘draw the line at a year to fit your argument’ game!
Btw…I had no idea Sarah Palin was a dawg fan.
Richt’s numbers at UGA are what they are. No argument from me there. I just find it funny that you can’t actually define success. Your sure it isn’t Richt, but when you write down wins, SECCG appearances…it sure sounds like Richt. Just say it…championship in 3 years or start over. Now that we are hiring a new guy, I actually agree with that. Richt did it. So did most every other successful coach. Just own it.
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you’re sure
DANG IT!
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I don’t know of any coach ever, in any conference, who “consistently” put his team in a conference championship game while also posting consistent 7-8 win seasons…..
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If you weren’t trying to be snarky, why did you deliberately ask me a question and then change the question after I answered?
You asked me if I was OK with “some” 7-8 win seasons as long as we were going to Atlanta every 2-3 years. That’s different than “consistently winning 7-8 games.” You twisted that. Intentionally, so you and the rest of the butthurt Richt acolytes could jump on it and say “see! We should have just kept Richt! Stupid chili!”
Consider that the last time I ever give you a serious response.
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I thought Hondo Williams’ commentary last night was spot on. Look, at the end of the day, UGA pulled the trigger. It may be the biggest mistake, or a boon, it may be a mix of both. Eason at FL, yes that will burn. If McGarrity does not have his top two candidates online ready to start, he is the dumbest SOB I have ever encountered. If he were a woman, ya’ll would have her shot. The longer this takes, the more the bleeding. I been a dog fan since I was a babe. I have been through Goff, and Donnan. Donnan was lighting the Blunts for the players. God, help us all.
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“If he were a woman…”
Where the hell did that come from? Can we leave gender-baiting politics out of this please? Seeing as how it literally has nothing to do with any of this.
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I hate to agree with you, what the fuck was that?
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Stop reading this blog and go hire a coach, Greg.
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I am a woman and took it as truth.
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Deal is done, folks. Be patient and get off my nuts – Greg
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Just so I’m clear…qualifications of the coach (experience, etc.) don’t matter. Just waiting on results, right?
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I took it as a joke…then again, I am not incredibly over-sensitive.
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I need a bourbon
http://georgia.247sports.com/Article/Rush-Propst-talks-Richt-what-went-wrong-at-UGA-and-next-move-41602757
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wow, make it a double for me
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Propst damn good coach. Gets the most from his players. Should look at him as an OC maybe?
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again people who spent the last 4 years searching for any little slight to blame CMR for are now suddenly hypersensitive to anyone being critical.
no one would believe you if you made this stuff up.
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The last….how many years?
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Our lunatic fringe got duped into thinking we are greater than our history suggests. I believed with 2 more years of Pruitt, a mediocre offense would have been enough to potentially sneak by Bama or at least be competitive. Now I’m pretty confident that we’ll never get one. So much for every coach wanting to be at UGA. The national media loves to dick with you nut jobs and the sane fans suffer.
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Just as long as you realize the “lunatic fringe” You’re talking about includes the majority of the big boosters.
Did you ever stop to think that maybe the people who wanted to keep him were the lunatic fringe?
All a matter of perspective I suppose.
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The lunatic fringe knows no side. Look at the comments from some people around here since Richt was fired and explain to me how they’re any more sane than the hissy fits some fans throw after losses. Either everyone’s crazy or no one is.
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What year did you graduate????????
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’96.
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If the argument now is that performance by the new coach is allowed to be worse than that for CMR then the firing can be best explained that it was personal, not business. We didn’t do it to make the team better but rather because we just got sick of Richt.
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We fired Richt to mollify the loud talking useful idiots. I can only hope it costs McGarity his job..
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