Out of the gate: Muschamp vs. Smart

Harris Pastides’ unbridled optimism aside, which of the two Saban disciples now manning head coaching positions in the SEC East has been dealt a better hand to play next season?

SBNation’s Bud Elliott thinks it’s Kirby Smart, based on two factors.

  • Recruiting.  Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart steps into a great situation as Georgia’s head coach as the Bulldogs have signed 51 four- and five-star prospects in the last four cycles (51 percent of total signees), which is the best in the division. Florida and Tennessee are the next closest in the East, then there is a big dropoff to Will Muschamp’s South Carolina Gamecocks and Barry Odom’s Missouri Tigers.
  • Schedule.  While Georgia plays annual games against similar or worse recruiters in Auburn, another SEC West team and Georgia Tech, the Gamecocks must annually face two other teams that out-recruit them: Clemson and Texas A&M. Plus, whatever SEC West team South Carolina draws is also likely to have more talent than the Gamecocks.

Based on that, he thinks Kirby can improve on Richt’s average win total.  That would be nice.  As for Boom… well, “Luckily for Muschamp, South Carolina has no reason to have high expectations as it is has no real history of success other than a few recent years.”  Tell that to Pastides.

 

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42 responses to “Out of the gate: Muschamp vs. Smart

  1. Hogbody Spradlin

    “No real history of success”. I read the linked post, and I think Elliott is implying that South Carolina is likely to return to its historic form. However, even in the worst Sparky Woods Brad Scott Jim Carlen whoever else days, South Carolina gave Georgia a game.

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    • Scorpio Jones, III

      Get this pitcher….1959…my old man won’t let me go to Columbia…we get beat 33-0. Told ya, dad…. Kharmic Bitchez hard at work, even then. In Columbia, South freaking Carolina.

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      • Derek

        30-14. At least yours was a mere statement of fact about something that has already actually happened. You’re bound to get these things wrong on occasion. Imagine your embarrassment if you made an incorrect prediction about the future. That would be so much worse.

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        • Biggus Rickus

          That kind of pettiness isn’t very football-worthy, Derek.

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          • Derek

            Scorp knows he’s earned it. He’s been giving me crap about saying that Henry wouldn’t be an effective sec back for several months now. If I say the sun rises in the east he says: “sure and Derrick Henry is too big to play tb right. lol!”

            If you would have told me Henry would be all the rushing offense Alabama had, would get 40 carries a game AND be well conditioned enough to handle that workload (not a small feat for a guy that looks more like an olb) I might not have sold the guy short. He still fumbles too much and has more negative plays than more traditional backs so there’s that. Of course on the other hand, as I understand it, he’ll be in New York for some awards ceremony this weekend. What can I say? So I’m not Nostradamus.

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            • Scorpio Jones, III

              Ah hell, Rickus, he’s right, I may have mentioned his dumb comment about Henry now and then…although it may seem like more to Derek.

              The truth is, Derek and I have a mutual dislike for that football ignoramus from Vegas, so we at least agree on something.

              But to your point, you are right, the petty bullshit is diluting the value of this blog. I will try to refrain from whatever contribution I may have made to it.

              Bluto works hard to provide us with meaningful information. Its not the boys bathroom at middle school, there.

              And to Derek, thanks for correcting my memory…I’ve had the wrong score in my head for centuries. I blame Fran Tarkenton.

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    • kevinsauer

      “best shot”

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    • Russ

      Sakerlina was always a tough out, but they were “out” about 75% of the time. Lately, the ol’ Ball Sack had them playing better, but we all knew that was temporary. They have returned to their norm. A tough out, but still an out.

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  2. Biggus Rickus

    South Carolina may have no history of success, but they still have expectations. Going around .500 for 3 to 5 years will get Muschamp fired just like it would at any of the other SEC schools not called Vanderbilt and Kentucky.

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  3. Shouldn’t be too hard to feast on the East where the deans of coaching are now Booch Please and Stoops the Least tied at 3 years each. Muschamp’s lost to just about everybody out there already and with his OC hire it looks like lather, rinse, repeat. Easy call.

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  4. W Cobb Dawg

    So he’s saying there will be no joy in cockville…

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  5. Gurkha Dawg

    I think I am going to wait until after we beat SC before I mock them. I’ve been disapointed too often.

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    • Scorpio Jones, III

      The Kharmic Bitchez will be very disappointed in your attitude, Gurkha…they love them some bragadocio.

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      • Gurkha Dawg

        I thought the Kharmic Bitchez’s job was to spank you for too much bragadocio? I sure as hell don’t want to get on their bad side.

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        • Scorpio Jones, III

          Yes, exactly, I did not make my point clearly….the ladies love it when you brag, so they can do harm to your feelings because of it, when you don’t brag they get very sad. (Cute, but sad.) The Bitchez have hubris for appetizers, there.

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          • Scorpio Jones, III

            And, if I may, it is a basic tenet of Munsonology to believe the Kharmic Bitchez have a special interest in Georgia football. Some even go so far as saying we are the Bitchez Chosen People.

            I would never say that, of course, but some people do.

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  6. Spike

    This is .. wait for it… Boomtastic..

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  7. Krush Groove

    We’ve averaged a little over 4 losses a year for the last 7 years (4.14 to be exact). I think Kirby can improve on that too. The bar hasn’t been set very high.

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    • Gaskilldawg

      Here is a handy chart so you can look at our total record over the last “X” years, so you can pick whatever time frame to review without having to look it up.

      You chose the last 7 years. If you go back 5 years instead of 7 it is a 76.6% winning percentage. If you go 8 it is 70.9%

      Here is the chart. Use whatever lookback period you wish to make your point.
      lookback year period Total wins total losses percentage
      1 9 3 75.0%
      2 19 6 76.0%
      3 27 11 71.1%
      4 39 13 75.0%
      5 49 15 76.6%
      6 55 22 71.4%
      7 63 27 70.0%
      8 73 30 70.9%
      9 84 32 72.4%
      10 93 36 72.1%
      11 103 39 72.5%
      12 113 41 73.4%
      13 124 44 73.8%
      14 137 45 75.3%
      15 145 49 74.7%

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      • Krush Groove

        That data isn’t even correct. There were 51 losses total, not 49.

        In the last 10 years (going back even further than 7), 8 of those years had 3 or more losses. That’s 80% of the last decade with 3 or more losses.

        In the last 10 years, 5 of them had 4 or more losses. That’s HALF of the last decade with 4 or more losses.

        In the last 10 years, there were ZERO championships (conference or national). And only 2 appearances in the conference championship game.

        Again, the bar isn’t set that high right now. It’s pretty much back to where it was at the end of the Donnan regime. Let’s hope Kirby can lift us higher.

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        • GaskillDawg

          You are correct about the 51 losses. I must have made a spreadsheet entry incorrectly. Thank you for catching it.

          I am not asking you to draw a particular conclusion from this data, any more than a scale asks you to draw conclusions about the person weighed. The won-loss record is what it is. It is the bar; whether that bar is high or low is your call. You are free to draw whatever conclusions you wish to draw, not only from the won-loss record, to anything else. Hell, if to you the choice of the officially licensed Nike coaching shirts was a firing offense, then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

          Folks like to cite the records over varying time frames (record the last 5 years, or the record the last 7 years, or the record the past 10 years, or the record the past 2 years, etc. ) and I tried to do the heavy lifting for anyone wanting to calculate records. Apparently I did have a calculation error in there that I did not catch, making the table not useful.

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  8. hassan

    We have more athletes right now with a better recruiting class shaping up than SoCar. I would say that it isn’t a journalistic stretch to say CKS is in a better situation if comparing the two.

    I would also add that it’s not really relevant to try and stack rank the situations that the new staffs will be facing across the board. Each new coaching staff at every school making a change will have a unique set of challenges they have to address. To try and quantify that this situation is worse than that situation is borderline sophistry. But then again, writers gotta write about something.

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    • Jared S.

      Yeah, arguing about the nitty-gritty of some of this stuff is so pointless. Can we all just agree that we all enjoyed the Auburn and SCAR implosions this year, and we hope they continue???? =D

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    • Will (the other one)

      I think recruiting will be a lot tougher for them, even though Boom is a better recruiter than SOS was during his stretch there.
      When they won 11 games a few years in a row, Clemson was still known best for Clemsoning, Boom was at Florida, UT was worse, and no other ACC teams were any good.
      Now? McElwain looks like an upgrade over Boom, Clemson is in the CFBPO, UT is back to at least decent, UVA and VT made great hires, and UNC just finished its best season in 20 years or more — plus Richt takes over for Golden in Miami.
      I don’t see them getting the next Clowney any time soon.

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