I was reading another excellent Ian Boyd post about how North Dakota State shut down Bob Stitt’s offense in the rematch, when I got to this passage:
Our own Bill Connelly had a fantastic article earlier in the year about where returning experience matters in today’s game. As it turned out, returning experience at QB, WR, and DB was more valuable than returning experience at OL, DL, or LB.
Why is this the case? Because teams are emphasizing complexity in the passing game and simplicity up front based on the rationale that the passing game is where football games are won today and a better place to invest practice time and attention. In response, defenses spend a lot of time teaching pattern-reading coverages to counter these offenses.
Trench warriors may benefit from extra time in the program to build up the necessary strength but when everyone’s run game playbook is pretty similar and fairly simple, talent can get up to speed much more quickly.
Now, obviously it’s a bit of a stretch to apply that as a one size fits all type of analysis, but it does make me wonder what Bill’s correlation charts might hint about the roster strengths and weaknesses Kirby Smart inherits as he takes over the program.
Bottom line? There’s some good news and some bad news.
On the offensive side, the bad news is that returning starters at quarterback and at receiver are relatively big deals. Strangely, returning starters at running back is of little consequence (although my head tells me that’s probably an undervalued point for offenses that are heavily run-oriented, like Georgia’s).
The good news on offense is that returning starters on the offensive line is pretty much worthless, or, in Bill’s words, “the correlation between line experience and offensive improvement is actually negative.” If you think about it, that was certainly the case in 2015.
As far as the correlation on the defensive side of the ball, there’s a rosier picture for Smart to see. There isn’t a level of the defense where returning players don’t lead to an improvement, but the improvement is most noticeable in the one area where Georgia has almost everyone back, the secondary.
This suggests that experience in the front seven isn’t as big a deal as it is in the back of the defense. It is pretty remarkable that the correlations between returning DBs are almost as strong as those for the defense as a whole. I didn’t see that coming.
And, for 2014, at least, the data suggested that the ability to get hands on passes was more valuable — or at least, less replaceable — then getting hands on the quarterback. I didn’t see that coming either.
Now, this is only one year’s worth of data, so the usual caveats about small sample size apply with a vengeance (or, as Bill described it in his post, more interesting than useful), but it’s still something worth chewing on, especially since in Georgia’s case there isn’t likely to be a significant change in philosophy on either side of the ball next season.
Not sure how much to count on this data…but at least it gives us hope that we don’t have to take a step back next year, even with an inexperienced HC. If 9/10 wins is the norm while KS gets his coaching legs, we can retain respectability…and great recruiting classes. I’m not ready to drink the Kool-Aid just yet but I am hopeful.
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I agree that RB experience does not matter. They have the lowest wonderlic (intelligence) scores in the NFL and it doesn’t matter. When there are injuries, teams pick up random RBs and plug them inmediately into the offense. Doesnt seem to happen with literally any non-kicking position except QB (where it always goes poorly unless it is an extremely experienced veteran).
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I agree. In run oriented offense, in particular, it’s one of the easiest positions to learn and play early. Remember every wishing Moreno had not redshirted? I think Bill is spot-on with that. The exception being fCMR’s pass protection excuse. He did learn a valuable lesson atter the ill-advised redshirt for Knowshon.
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What random running back did UGA plug in for Chubb?
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Sony Michel. He averaged over 100 yards a game after the Chub injury. Now, he wasn’t as good as Chubb, obviously, but he wasn’t the problem with the offense.
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IIRC, plugging in J.J. Green and B. Douglas for Henderson, who happened to have been plugged in for Gurley, didn’t really fill that hole.
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Excuse me: Not Henderson (a Dawg from way, way back), but Marshall. Got my Keiths mixed up.
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Great players are not easily replaced. JJ Green and Brendan Douglas WERE serviceable replacements. I don’t think college has reached the pro game’s level of interchangeability at the position, but it’s still an easier position to play and doesn’t require experience. Gurley was pretty much as effective as a freshman as he was as a junior, for example.
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My point wasn’t that talent does not matter. Talent is supremely important. In fact, my point was that it’s pretty much the only thing that matters.
talent !=n experience
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Well, if that is what you think you are wrong. Good talent without good coaching=2013 & 2014 Florida. Decent talent with good coaching=2015 Florida. Big difference.
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He’s talking about running backs, and he’s also talking about talent vs. experience. Coaching and experience are not the same thing either.
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You know, 2015 is the third time in the “latter Richt years” we had a touted, veteran OL under perform. Remember the biggest OL in football underwhelming that season?
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I never thought I would say this, but we missed Will Friend this year. The offensive line struggled without Boss Andrews as well. Kublanow never really looked great at center this year but looked good when moved back to guard.
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And yet, Chubb had a pretty good season going till Obknoxville…guess Nick was pretty good at finding the creases.
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Chubb is fantastic at reading blocks and shedding the first contact. He’s much like Gurley in that regard. He’s much quicker to the hole than Marshall and Douglas and that helps the line a great deal.
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Nick has the best field vision of any running back I have every seen. I am told Barry Sanders had that same vision, I only vaguely remember seeing him on TV. He is quick to the hole, yes, but he also sees holes that others don’t see as quickly…many times when they get to a hole it is gone, Nick on the other hand is also gone.
Nick Chubb is a pretty good running back…hope we get to see him again, soon.
I take it as a good sign folks have reported him walking without crutches?
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I think it’s a good sign. I know the people involved in his rehab and I’ll break my own rule against asking about stuff to find out. I do know that they’ll prep him heavily for the mental side of returning. That’s a big issue, trusting your legs again. He own character is certainly a positive in this journey. One tough young man.
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Walter Peyton had the best field vision that I can recall, Chubb would be in his class no doubt.
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Gale Sayers. Definitely.
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Oh yeah…Walter and Sayers…forgot those guys…Peyton for sure had that amazing vision. I saw Sayers in his last years in Fulton County stadium vs that team that played there then…what’s the name? Sayers had so much speed he blurred now and then. Really. Blurred.
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No doubt, Scorp. The kid is a beast when he has the ball. Better vision than Gurley and hits the hole hard and goes. Not the top end speed or the “angry” running style of Gurley, but he is a man and hard to bring down.
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Friend should of been the OC after Bobo left.
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It’s kind of weird to imagine what the difference is between Chubb and Marshall. I think a 3 yard gain by Marshall is usually a 6-8 yard gain by Chubb. The only explanation in my mind is just the speed to the line/gap.
Chubb also looks much harder to bring down, but that might just be his angle he keeps behind a blocker.
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Chubb has it all great vision, quick to the line, great cutting, low center of gravity, great balance, punishing finish and enough speed to beat all but the fastest of secondaries. If he can get his head back in the game he will be great again.
Marshall is fast but he does not have the vision and runs to the holes whether they are there or not. He reminds me of a fast version of Richard Samuel. He also seems to lack balance so that a good hit brings him down. I really can’t figure out how he has not been given the carries this year.
Douglas, while a hard runner lacks quickness and vision which results in a lot of tackles for loss.
All of these would be better with a better offensive line that actually had real tackles instead of 5 guards.
Another thing we are lacking is WRs. Our guys never create any separation thus requiring our QB to perfect the back shoulder throw. I think we either don’t scheme for match ups or we don’t have the right route trees. How many times do we see our WRs having to try to catch passes with DB’s wrapped all over them. The progressions are not right or something. We seem to always have our TE’s as the last resort instead of the main receiver. By trying to look long on every play you end up in a panic or a sack.
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Yeah, that’s the thing about experience. You may have X number of returning starters, but if they sucked last year, does that really make you happy?
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So bama has no business in the playoffs after losing their starting QB, Amarlo Cooper, some starting DBs, etc. Got it.
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fu’s Grier gone. How much easier can it get to win the sec east?
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For whom? UT? ‘Cause it ain’t gonna be Georgia with a new OL and a freshman QB.
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Mayor, under normal circumstances I would agree with you. However, I am very excited about the Pittman hire and have hopes that he will be able to fashion the best OL that we have seen in many years. Further, with a strong OL the 2016 Dawgs should, I repeat should, look completely different than the 2015 version by providing ample pass protection AND opening holes for the RB’s. Yes, a first year head coach is likely to have a few questionable moments along the way, but hopefully there will be enough quality coaching around him to overcome those moments. For me, the coaching change brings a hope…something that had been lost some time ago.
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Call the rescue squad…I need oxygen. Skep…you ok?
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