Life of the party

Count me as someone who thinks allowing guns on campus on game days is a bad, bad idea.  Not because of politics, but because taken together, booze, youth and unchecked emotions tend to be a volatile mix.

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Filed under College Football, Crime and Punishment

53 responses to “Life of the party

  1. dawgxian

    Seems to me that a woman with a gun is less likely to be assaulted a woman without one

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  2. Hogbody Spradlin

    I think the campus ‘rape epidemic’ and its derivatives like the linked story are an exaggerated canard (yes I have a daughter going off to college next year),
    BUT,
    I’d be pleased to see guns strongly restricted in any situation alcohol is prevalent.
    Guns and booze. What could go wrong?

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    • Derek

      The only way to stop a bad drunk with a gun is a good drunk with a gun.

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    • Rp

      I am an advocate of expanded carry laws and have a permit myself. I must admit I do not know if there are laws against carrying while intoxicated. I can only find laws against hunting and sport shooting while intoxicated.

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  3. Rp

    OMFnG!!

    “Campus rape remains prevalent. Earlier this year, an Association of American Universities survey of 150,000 students at 27 universities found that, since enrolling in college, 13.5 percent of senior undergraduate women and 2.9 percent of senior undergraduate men had experienced “non consensual penetration involving physical force or incapacitation.”

    Does anyone on here actually believe that 13.5% of women and 2.9% of men are penetrated against their will while in college. Very tired of activist groups perpetrating BS statistics based on non-scientific surveys. Usually “I was pretty drunk” is enough for these groups to classify a sexual encounter as non-consensual so they can derive the desired conclusion and promote their agenda.

    As for the primary study cited, I am willing to allow it may be true as it was at least based of FBI data and not a telephone survey. I am still skeptical about the conclusions however.

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    • These stats are exaggerated; the women on “Game of Thrones” don’t get raped with the frequency that these statistics say college women do. However, it does happen, and there was that monster that kidnapped and murdered that poor UVA coed a while ago. I’m going to teach my daughters to shoot defensively and encourage them to carry once they leave the nest.

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    • Sh3rl0ck

      Not to be crass here, but those numbers sound about right when you interpret “non-consensual penetration involving physical force” to include things that happen during consensual sex. The idea that 13.5% of women have had a guy, either intentionally of accidentally, try to stick it in her ass, and 2.9% of guys have had a girl try to stick their finger in his ass when giving him a BJ is not far fetched.

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  4. illini84

    Spend your life in fear and teach your kids to live that way too.

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    • Irishdawg

      Is that directed at me? What the hell do you know about what I teach my kids? Making sure my children are not easy victims is not “living in fear” you self righteous jerk off.

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    • Brownesman

      This is the typical liberal response. Claim you’re paranoid for carrying a gun all while saying men are raping women 2 at a time.

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  5. QSD

    I like to drink. I like to carry. I don’t do both at the same time.

    When I carry, I am more serious and careful. But, I know that would not be the case with everyone. It is a little bit of a dilemma.

    Maybe, a special permit for carrying on game day? We need more trained and armed people in stadiums and other venues to prevent a Paris style attack. We can’t pay for enough security, so armed citizens are the answer.

    btw, what are the stats on legal concealed carry people getting into unprovoked shootouts? I doubt it happens very often. Maybe, we just let people with concealed carry, carry.

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    • Would you like to have this good gal at your tailgate?

      How about that good guy?

      I’ll take my chances with the terrists. ‘Cause in the real world, I’m a lot less likely to encounter them.

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      • Rp

        Sorry, two stories short on details. It is not clear if the shooter struck the victim in the head or the injury was caused in the altercation with the carjackers. You also cant say if the shooting stopped what would have been a more severe beating of the victim. Not enough information for conclusions. This is the type of vague story that so much political opinion is based on. The woman at the Home Depot hurt no one, and the characterization of her “shooting up the parking lot” also seems to be unsubstantiated.

        On the other side of the coin we have Ft. Hood, San Bernadino, and Chattanooga resulting in multiple fatalities. While I do not dispute the odds of death by terrorist are low, there is no rational basis for your position that legal permit holders are more dangerous than Islamic terrorists.

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  6. Just another tool in the hands of those wishing destroy/radically alter the game of football in general.

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  7. Grafton

    The pussificatoin of America. Gun manufacturers love the fact that more and more people are becoming more and more scared of their neighbors. I’m much more likely to be shot by my neighbor cleaning his gun than by a ” Paris style attack” QSD mention earlier. Why? Murica, thats why.

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    • Rp

      QSD is right. Trained citizens carrying could aid in stopping such an attack, so why not carry if you are competent. As for getting shot by your neighbor, sorry but the stats just don’t support that. Firearms accidents and homicides in this country are not a significant threat to most folks. Gun deaths are declining at a massive rate in “Murica.” Of the gun deaths that still occur, the vast majority are either gang related (i.e. you have to be in a gang to get shot) or suicides. I know it is hard for some to accept, but many folks own guns out of prudence and not irrational fear. As more continue to do so, our society has become safer. Here you go (ironically, this article cites less drinking as a reason for decreased gun violence):

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/weve-had-a-massive-decline-in-gun-violence-in-the-united-states-heres-why/

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      • Trained citizens carrying could aid in stopping such an attack, so why not carry if you are competent.

        It’s those last four words that mean so much.

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      • Grafton

        I am a veteran and I’m fully aware of what good guns can do and what bad gun can do. I know from years of training that I am more likely to shoot myself accidentally with my own weapon or one of my kids finding it and shooting themselves, than I am of using my gun to stop a crime. The same folks who say “I’m a responsible gun owner” will probably get in there car today and look at their cell phone while they are doing 70mph. That is why we locked our weapons up in the armory before we went home at night because even highly trained individuals are not 100% responsible all the time.

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        • Scorpio Jones, III

          the number of gun deaths in this country yesterday.

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        • 69Dawg

          Yes that sure helped the Marines in Tennessee having the guns locked up in the armory. To add insult to stupidity they punished the Marine that had his own weapon and returned fire on the perp. One thing is true the bad guys with guns will always be for the government keeping the as many people as possible without guns.

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      • Derek

        45 Americans have died as a result of international terrorism since September 11th, 2001. How many Americans have been killed by other Americans via firearm in that same time period? The chances of my being killed by isis is practically nil. The chances of my being shot by a fellow citizen is far too damn high.

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      • Ben

        What about trained officers? How does the police officer, arriving at the scene of an incident, tell the difference between the good guy with a good and a bad guy with a gun? Help me out here, O Wise One.

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        • @gatriguy

          Simple: the one with the darkest skin is the bad guy. #trump2016

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          • AusDawg85

            Don’t be racist. A properly trained officer would simply ask “Who’s the Muslim?” first.

            /I apologize in advance for this very un-PC poor taste attempt at humor to all ISIS affiliated readers.

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        • 69Dawg

          Because the good guy will drop his weapon and raise his hands before the police have to intervene. A problem with police shootings is the lack of drug testing of the officers, roid rage and guns are an evil combination. When the motto of most officers is “I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6” it is getting real bad out there.

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  8. @gatriguy

    I’m sure rational, dispassionate, respectful dialogue will follow from this.

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  9. Hogbody Earp

    Right after I wrote the comment above, it occurred to me that just from the pickups and suv’s on North Campus on game day, you could probably arm a division. With rifles AND sidearms.

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  10. DawgPhan

    The rape stats thing is tough because just like gun violence people dont keep accurate stats on it.

    Look no further than UGA this year reporting a much higher than anticipated number of sexual assaults, their response was to change the way they report the numbers.

    I do think that the amount of unwanted sexual contact that women endure during college is tremendous and should not be discounted. If might be an over the shirt boob grab or a hand down the pants that gets pushed away, all while everyone is as drunk as can be.

    Everyone has to do a better job of making sure that guys know that continual consent is required and if you are unsure then it is not consensual.

    As for guns, every one thinks they are a responsible gun owner, but most arent. Seems like most folks think that acquiring their gun legally makes them responsible. They also seem to think that it makes them Jason Bourne.

    Everyone talks about criminals getting guns, but a lot of those guns started as legally purchased “responsible gun owner” guns until that responsible gun owner left them unsecured in their house or car where someone stole them and put them into circulation in the black market.

    If all gun owners were indeed responsible the local criminal would not be able to acquire a gun so easily.

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  11. PTC DAWG

    The fact that some think they need t be armed at a tailgate, makes me not want to tailgate anywhere near them.

    And yes, I have a GCWL.

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  12. AusDawg85

    I fully support the right for women to bare arms….legs, tummies, etc.

    #tastelesshumor

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  13. I love it when people step on my toes .
    Using the above logic…… “responsible gun owner” guns until that responsible gun owner left them unsecured in their house or car where someone stole them and put them into circulation in the black market.”……so if I’m getting this right it was my fault fault when rather than bringing my 40 cal. into Northside Tavern I irresponsibly left it in my locked car only to to return to a shattered passenger side window, I stupidly looked first for my computer(still there) and than realized the glove box was empty, Forgive me for being irresponsible. Let’s turn our safety over to the state/police/government. It took me friggin 4 hours and two trips to even get an APD officer to meet me to take an entering an auto and stolen weapons report.
    Looking at the bigger picture, I’m still trying to get the nexus/connection between campus rape and guns at football games because it sounds like a non sequetor (sp) of monumental proportions flowing onedirection or the other. Guns combined with drinking is a bad combination regardless of it is on campus or at home. I know lets pass a law that outlaws stupidity…that’ll work. One proviso ,I get get to decide who is stupid and who just make an honest mistake.

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    • DawgPhan

      But to answer your question, yes you were being irresponsible with that firearm by leaving it where it could be easily stolen. Your glovebox is not a secure location for a weapon.

      Your careless actions have put another weapon in the hands of a criminal or terrorist. The people in your community are now less safe because of your poor judgement.

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      • Gravidy

        I’m old enough to remember when blaming the victim was a bad, bad, eeeevil thing to do.

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        • exactly… blame the victim ….that was me. There is no such thing as secure by your definition. I can pop any lock on a glove box with a standard crowbar which is probably what they used to break my window, Help me out here should I have strapped the gun to my hip and taken it in the bar or should I just drive an up armored hummer with a gun safe in it .Your definition of responsible escapes me. If you don’t like the 2nd Amendment admit it and we’ll discuss that but quit being half again too smart to not know when you are blaming a victim.

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          • DawgPhan

            You were the victim of a car break in. That’s unfortunate and I hate that you had to experience that.

            You were irresponsible by not securing your firearm properly. That was true regardless of if someone broke into your car or not.

            There are many options for securing a weapon in a vehicle. I am sure you can find one to your liking that offers more security than your glovebox.

            Breaking the cycle of legal gun > stolen gun will keep people safer. The responsible ones in the cycle should accept some responsibility.

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  14. Semper Fi Dawg

    I don’t chug vodka.

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  15. RedHotChiliDawg

    It may be asking a lot for people to make decisions based on facts, but this LA Times article is extremely sobering.

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1008-shermer-gun-data-20151006-story.html

    A couple of excerpts in case you don’t want to read the whole article:

    “Since 1970, there have been 1.35 million gun fatalities in the US. 1.39 million Americans have been killed in all wars since the American Revolution.”

    We’ve killed each other more often in the last 45 years than our enemies have in the last 200+ years.

    “…the fantasy many of us have of facing down an attacker with a firearm is belied by the fact that a gun is 22 times more likely to be used in a criminal assault, an accidental death or injury, a suicide attempt or a homicide than it is for self-defense.”

    In the meantime, Australia hasn’t had a mass shooting since 1996 when the Port Arthur shooting caused the country to enact sweeping gun controls.

    I know it’s not a popular opinion in Georgia, but surely we can do something to stop this madness.

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  16. I’m at a football game and a Paris type situation erupts. Do I have any faith that a number of people carrying concealed weapons are going to shoot the perpertrators, without shooting up a number of people themselves. And they are going to accomplish this with pistols going against automatic rifles. Nope no faith. This is from someone who has fired a lot of different type weapons and continues to do so. As someone stated above, carrying while drinking or drunk not a good combination.

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  17. Bazooka Joe

    This would be the craziest, most insane thing to ever happen. The last thing we need is more guns. And no, I am not some anti-gun person, I have firearms myself and have no desire to lose them, but Ill tell ya what – when I went to get my concealed permit and took the course (and funny thing is Georgia doesn’t even have a lame course !) – by the time I left I was more concerned about the other idiots in the class than thugs on the street. These people were absolute nuts and a majority of them really had no business carrying a firearm as it was obvious they really wanted to use it and were looking for exactly where the line was so they could get away with it (or they were so scared of everyday life they will end up pulling it and taking a shot at an innocent person because (and I quote) ” a black man was walking towards me in a parking lot”.
    For every bad guy that gets stopped because of a citizen with a gun, 10 will die because some normally law abiding idiot got a gun that had no business owning one

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