I got ‘yer recruiting open thread right here.

What the hey, let’s try something different.

I have no idea what’s coming Wednesday.  My knowledge of the process has been limited to what I can glean from stuff posted for free, minus what recruits tweet.  (Gawd help me if I ever go there.)  Given that the bulk of that is glorified click bait, that’s means I likely know jack.

But those of you who spend your hard earned bucks on every recruiting site known to man or live next door to someone whose nephew goes to school with Derrick Brown, you’ve got insights to share with the class here at GTP, right?  So give in the comments.

For what it’s worth, there was one bit of free news from the weekend that I do find significant:  Alabama asked a longstanding recruit to grayshirt and he de-committed in response.  I have a hard time believing Nick Saban does that unless he feels awfully secure about how his recruiting class is shaping up.  And that in turn probably isn’t the greatest news for those following Auburn or Georgia recruiting.

The only other thing I can share here is I can see why Kirby Smart does well on the recruiting trail.  He knows it’s vital to win there, but he’s got a sense of humor as he goes about his business that no doubt serves him well.

Kirby Smart was the first Alabama coach to make contact with Tyler Simmons, playing a role in the Tide getting a commitment from the three-star wide receiver from Georgia.

That was before Smart took over as Georgia’s head coach.

During an in-home visit with Simmons Thursday, Smart, likely in a playful manner, told Simmons that he “needs to undo what he did” at Alabama.

Simmons probably isn’t the only kid who’s heard that in the past few weeks.

If you want my uninformed best guess, it’s that Smart’s gonna leave a few slots on the table.  I don’t think he gets every kid he wants in 2016 and I don’t think he’s going to take kids merely for the sake of filling out the class.  Your mileage may vary, of course.

Anyway, enough from me.  Use the comments to share, vent, brag, fret or whatever.  If you need a jumping off point for reference, this pre-signing day assessment is as good a place to start as any.

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61 responses to “I got ‘yer recruiting open thread right here.

  1. Argondawg

    This class is going to be what it’s going to be. Now we just have to wait. I have no doubt that this staff worked its ass if every moment they could to bring in a good or great class. I think in the end it will be a good class. Top 10 for sure. Now I want to see what they do with a full year to build. CKS and his staff hustled like hell whatever happens it won’t be for lack of effort.

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  2. Dylan Dreyer's Booty

    If I was prescient enough to know who was actually going where I think my talent would better serve me if I bought a lottery ticket. But I hope we do well.

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  3. Timphd

    All the pros are saying the big miss for Georgia will be Brown. He apparently tweeted out Rocky Top after his weekend there. Sounds like Bama is pretty confident on signing the linebackers that Kirby wanted too. Otherwise, it seems like a very good class with the potential to be even better than very good. A great surprise like Mack would be terrific and they really need Robertson and Hardeman to make it better. Some of the “flips” seem very plausible too, like Marshall, who would help make up if Brown goes to UT. Overall, not a bad first class, and Richt deserves some of that credit of course, but the new staff are doing what appears to be a great job.

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  4. Jared S.

    I also have no first-hand (or second, third or fourth-hand) knowledge related to any recruiting program, so I just read all the “free” stuff and get my hopes up when big recruits from Georgia commit to disgusting institutions like Florida or Tennessee…..or Auburn. Bleah. But I really do hold out great hopes for Kirby’s abilities as a recruiter. I think he’ll do well, even with his double-coaching duties and all the upheaval in the program. I figure we’ll end up with a consensus #8, 9 or 10 class for 2016. If we do I’ll be damn happy, considering the way things looked the end of October….

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  5. Bob

    Right, but #8 or 9 or 10 nationally means #6 or #7 or #8 in the SEC. That is my concern. Supposedly the class was #5 when Richt got fired. We hired the greatest recruiter in the land or so we have been told. I think you have to expect the turmoil and I am hardly disappointed…yet. But I do sense a lot of lowering the bar now that we have a new coach. Hope Wednesday proves me wrong.

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    • 10 nationally does not mean 8 in the SEC necessarily. Right now there are 6 non SEC schools in the Rivals top 10. While the top 10 is likely to shuffle come Wednesday, it would not be a total shock if there were still 4-6 non SEC schools there.

      Further, the difference between say 10 and 6 isn’t always that big. It can simply be a matter of “Rivals like 4 of our top 20 guys a little better than your top 20 guys”. This is where recruiting rankings are fuzzy and not especially useful.

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    • WNCCanine

      At the time of Richt’s firing all we can say is what was projected. It is not a valid comparison to use some random projection against where we actually end up. No guarantee that some of Richt’s commitments would be here on NSD. Smart has done a heck of a job.

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      I see no “sense of lowering the bar”. If anything Kirby raised the bar and cast a wider net. And much of what may be considered “Richt’s class” was substantially made of recruits who seem pretty loyal to Pruitt, as was the case with last year’s class which was very heavy on highly ranked D players.

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  6. @gatriguy

    I’m ok with this class being a little light. I think Kirby has a much better understanding of roster management than Richt did and is ok leaving some spots open in 2016, knowing what he wants to get in 2017. Going forward, I expect that he will slay big time in February.

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    • A “much better understanding”. Based on what? Why do you think he has a much better understanding? Why was Richt’s undersigning a bad thing while what could be a short class by Smart is considered a good thing?

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      • Otto

        Certainly a point there. However, another point with Richt was he often lost recruits due to being late to offer and thus the last one to enter the party. Fashionably late often doesn’t work in recruiting.

        As with just about everything with Smart and Richt before him it takes makes more than 1 class, or season to make decisions. Smart has seemed to go after OL more heavily which is a transition I like.

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        • As with just about everything with Smart and Richt before him it takes makes more than 1 class, or season to make decisions.

          Exactly. The only assertion we can validate is that one of Richt’s weak spots was roster management. We have no clue about Kirby – he could be equally as bad, worse, or better. We won’t know for at least another year or two.

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        • Everyone has hits and misses in recruiting and Richt wasn’t any more guilty than anyone else. His problem( though not to me) was that he honored commitments to kids and families. That’s why we often got left at the altar by recruits.

          It’s a shame that his recruiting and roster management is used against him by fans of the program he coached for 15 years. To me, it’s more indicative of the kind of fans and boosters that are out there which isn’t something I’m too proud of.

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      • 3rdandGrantham

        Please tell me you’re kidding. CMR’s roster management for quite a number of years was nothing short of horrible. Heck, we’re talking self-imposed severe NCAA probation ala USC and Penn State for no reason whatsoever type of horrible here.

        I don’t know what kind of coach Smart will turn out to be, but if nothing else the bar in that area is set very low with nowhere really to go but up.

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        • Kidding about what? Just because you want us to stoop to the level of everyone else in the conference doesn’t mean I do. I believe in punishment when necessary, not ignoring it for the sake of wins. Are you actually blaming Richt for the NCAA run-ins. It seems like you are and we have nothing else to discuss.

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          • Otto

            It isn’t just discipline, it was offering late, not offering enough, not recruiting enough lineman. Richt’s recruiting philosophy is a major reason why he is no longer coaching in Athens.

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          • 3rdandGrantham

            For many years we had a roster of scholly athletes in the 60’s and 70’s, while the rest of the SEC (and most other major programs) were firmly entrenched right at the 85 mark. Just because I would have liked to have seen us also field a team of 85 scholly athletes doesn’t mean I want to “stoop to the level of everyone else..” That, with all due respect, is an absurd at best assumption.

            As for NCAA run-ins, I have no clue what you’re referring to there. I was simply stating that, due to CMR’s gross negligence when it comes to roster management, based on scholly numbers we essentially self-imposed NCAA major sanctions on ourselves for no reason at all, including in 2012 when we reached our nadir of only 65 on scholly, the exact same as USC that year while they were suffering under major NCAA penalties. Only when Pruitt came onboard did we finally start to turn that ship around, so to speak.

            Now, does that automatically mean Smart is better than CMR is in that regard? NO. But I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt based on his many years with the top program in football, and based on his remarks since the opening presser concerning recruiting, etc.

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        • 3&G, I agree with you on the previous administration’s problems, but I think the comment above is saying, “How does anyone know at this point if CKS has a better grasp on roster management?” I don’t, and I don’t think anyone outside of the football offices has a clue about the answer to this question. Similar to many questions, this one will be answered over the next 4 years by the results on the field.

          I think not to fill this class up is asking for some of the same problems we’ve seen on the roster for the last 8-10 years.

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          • Otto

            How can you expect a coach to fill up the class with quality recruits, even if he joined the staff ASAP, especially when not offering soon enough was one of Richt’s faults? I think Smart will improve UGA’s roster management but at the same time we don’t know how much he can sell himself rather than Saban’s program, and if he can come up with the process at UGA.

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            • I think the previous administration had fixed the problem of not offering early enough (clearly an influence of Pruitt). Look at where this class was in late ’14 and early ’15. If you read my comment about filling the class up in context with other comments I made, I hope he has a good idea of what ’17 early enrollees are going to take any open spots that are intentionally left vacant. All of this doesn’t take into account likely attrition after spring practice and spring semester. If we have 23 spots and sign 20 plus lose 4-5 guys on the existing roster for whatever reason, you’re right back to having under 80 on scholarship entering the fall (and that assumes all 20 qualify academically). If off-season attrition goes to 8-10 as a result of the transition and the likely more aggressive approach to releasing players, we’re in a world of hurt from a depth standpoint.

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          • 3rdandGrantham

            I don’t (know if he has a better grasp than CMR previously), but as mentioned the bar has been set so low there that I’d be utterly stunned if he doesn’t. His various comments concerning recruiting alone over the past month certainly give me some confidence, and I strongly suspect we’ll be far, far more aggressive when it comes to recruiting than previously. And yes, that also might mean a bit of a tense spring/summer as we get the roster down to the 85 mark due to oversigning in the years ahead…but we’ll have to cross that bridge when we get there.

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            • Agree, 3&G. I’m sure roster management is an area where we clearly can’t get worse. I like being aggressive on the recruiting front. I don’t mind sweating out the spring/summer to get as close to 85 as consistently as possible.

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      • Sanford222view

        I would hope Kirby ‘has a much better understanding” based upon working under Saban for so many years. I am not saying to screw kids over like Bama has done once they deem they won’t pan out but Richt was weak in the roster management department because we often undersigned. Richt didn’t learn to play the percentages with roster churn until it was too late. Before the last few seasons we were late to the game of several recruits and didn’t sign enough players to account for spots that were likely to open up due to dismissals, transfers, etc.

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      • @gatriguy

        Do you think Kirby will ever field a team with 68 scholarship players? If call that a “much better understanding”. YMMV of course.

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  7. Cosmic Dawg

    I have high hopes for CKS but I have yet to hear it mentioned that he may have been a great recruiter because he was recruiting for Bama and Nick Saban. Even I could tell that story. So much we cannot know about him until he develops a body of work of his own. Fingers crossed, expect about the same as with CMR, however.

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  8. Careful Brad

    I think Brown is a longshot for us but I do know some coaches on the Lanier staff. Someone mentioned about a supposed “top 3” that Brown made that did not have UGA but the coach said that a top 3 doesn’t exist so I’m feeling a little Lloyd Christmas right now.

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    • Unbelievable to go from virtual lock to a long shot with the state’s most highly rated player especially with a defensive-minded head coach and his position coach/recruiter remaining on staff. This isn’t a Deshaun Watson situation where he was hearing from Clemson early and we were waiting.

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  9. lakedawg

    It appears that in order to not leave to many open spots staff is taking a few last minute projects particularly along o-line which we have done in past with one working out and several not. Senator is tight Bama will lid up as usual including 3-4 we really needed.

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  10. A failure to sign Brown would not be good for this class and would be akin to not getting Trent Thompson last year. The other thing is that if we’re leaving slots open, we better have a damn good idea of who in 2017 is going to fill them as difference-making early enrollees.

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      Getting Brown would be terrific. But this looks to be a very good DL haul with or without him.

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      • WCD, there is definitely a good haul of DLs in this group, but my comment really goes to knock on the program for the last 5 years regarding some of the state’s top talent. The analysts and the pundits will be right back to talking about how UGA can’t keep the best talent home.

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        • W Cobb Dawg

          Agree. I was hoping we’d land the #1 GA player for the 3rd straight year. If he’s heading to ut, that’s not a good thing at all. We can’t keep em from getting a couple players in the 10-25 range here and there. But it’s disturbing when they nab a top player in GA. I’m still hoping Brown signs with us.

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  11. Russ

    I still figure there will be transfers once players get a full taste of the new staff, so not sure leaving spots open in the recruiting class is the best idea. That didn’t always work out so well in the past.

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  12. South FL dawg

    The new staff has been working its collective tail off. In some cases we got the benefit of Kirby’s relationship with kids he was recruiting to Alabama, but in other cases we lost out on kids that only the old staff had a relationship with. It is what it is this soon after a transition.

    I think we’ll finish with a top 10 class, but the ranking is only one thing. We are still trying to fill needs in a couple of spots. I don’t remember a signing day with this many open spots; Wednesday is going to be very interesting.

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    • Bulldog Joe

      No doubt they have worked hard in an attempt to make up for lost time.

      However, it does not change the fact they have been given only a knife to go into the gunfight of player compensation. Especially with instate prospects.

      If B-M is serious about being competitive, this needs to change during the off-season.

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  13. Could I make a humble request for the commentators? I don’t follow enough even to know the names and positions, so if we name names could we include the position and ranking perhaps? Example. This Twisitification (ILB -1*) is a lock for a walk on position on the B team scout squad.

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    • Normaltown Mike

      impossible.

      Don’t you know that all recruits are “can’t miss” prospects projected to “make immediate impact”

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  14. Otto

    Senator, someone has to say it, Good to see we can now keep up with recruiting news here as well all the goings on in the UGA football world. 😛

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  15. Keith from Cornelia

    It helps to get the top players in the program at Georgia,however I am very excited about coach Kirby’s staff to develop the players from the weight room and agility to the position coaches.It is all about getting these players ready to compete on a high level if they have the heart and drive 3 stars can become 5 stars. COMMIT TO THE G

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    • Lrgk9

      Martha not Yolanda is an issue with Brown’s momma.

      All the Rivals Vault insiders, Athensdawg88, MsDawg, Tyler Cloud, Slobberknocker, BulldawgBob, etc are saying we are in a good spot to land a top 5 class.

      3 or 4 more 5stars are in play as well as a couple of flips and a couple of unknown silents.

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      • LakeOconeeDawg

        What he said….. ^^^
        “Martha not Yolanda is an issue” is dead on. CKS had a lot of fence mending to do to even get us back in the picture.

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  16. Turd Ferguson

    I don’t know about anyone else, but if Smart & Co. aren’t able to assemble my ideal recruiting class despite having only 2 months to do so, that’ll be all the proof I need that firing Richt and hiring Smart were two of the biggest mistakes in Georgia football history.

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  17. Sanford222view

    If you want some pretty good Cruitin’ info with a UGA focus check out this website. http://www.fieldstforum.com/

    It is free and delivers a good amount of the rumors and leanings of the players Georgia is interested in signing.

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  18. My only contribution to ‘crootin is this PSA to grown ass men that have jobs and should know better: “Don’t tweet at ‘croots!”

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  19. SemperFiDawg

    Over/Under on how long every thread deteriorates into a Richt vs Smart slapfest? Seeing how they’re still fighting over the firing of Fulmer at UT, I’m guessing 2 years minimum, but if Kirby struggles……….

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  20. Chickamona

    I know some are underwhelmed that Kirby hasn’t been able to really elevate UGA’s class above where Richt had it, but in an alternate universe where Richt keeps his job, he would have had some serious headwinds potentially against him:
    – Hot seat talk: if he had been retained, there would be a lot of talk that going into 2016, he was firmly on the hot seat. That’s usually not great for recruiting (though 2011 he did managed to overcome that)
    – Kirby to SC instead, which creates domino effect and competition. If Kirby took that job instead, entirely possible that Pruitt still decides to take the Bama DC job to get out from a “toxic” situation that he may have had some hand in creating. Plus, if Schotty was retained, who wants to keep carrying the team with a dud OC?
    – Coordinators: Clearly something went wrong post-Florida game and the staff, in its 2015 form, was not sustainable. So, Richt may well have had to fire Schotty and even push Pruitt along, or inexplicably keep Schotty and also potentially endure staff defections who wanted to leave a dysfunctional and endangered staff. Pruitt sounded like he wanted to stay, but still a chance he would have moved on, due to all these other dynamics.

    Richt did a great job with this class and was capable of overcoming adversity to put together great classes before. But just worth noting that had he been retained, there could have been some tough dynamics that made some of our commits vulnerable to being picked off and some other guys who decided to pass, so we might not have been in any better shape.

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  21. Swanguard

    Cam Newtion,Conner Shaw,Blake Sims,Joshua Dobbs,Deshaun Watson and now Jake Fromms.QB’s from within 2 hours in Georgia that Richt didn’t recruit or recruited late.Alabama is the only team that can win without a great QB and I think this will change with the new coaches.

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    • Otto

      I think that has changed more due to Jr.’s playcalling. They depend more on big plays rather long clock killing 4 yards at a time drives. You also see much less QB under center and even less in the I.

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  22. shane#1

    Getting Brown has been iffy from the start. I don’t think UGA gets the big Mack, but Davis would be a win. His talent would boost an already good linebacker corps. I want some more big old linemen and WRs and another running back. I am not crazy about recruits called an “athlete”, but sometimes they work out. On the plus side, the Dogs may be okay at tight end.

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    • rchris

      Brown had UGA as his leader for quite some time so I don’t think getting him “has been iffy from the start”. He was rumored to be a silent commit later on and as recently as 2 weeks ago was considered a lean for Georgia.

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    • Terry Godwin was listed as an “athlete.” I think he’s turning out to be pretty good.

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  23. rchris

    Kirby needs to land the guys who were heavy leans or silent commits like Derrick Brown, Mecole Hardman, E. J. Price, Brian Burns, and Michail Carter. You just don’t let those guys get away once you’ve almost hooked them if you’re any good at recruiting at all. He also needs to replace the guys he let slip away (like Devwah Whaley, Malek Young, and Randrecous Davis) with guys of equal ability or better. Finally, we were favorites to get Demetris Robertson if he didn’t qualify for Stanford. If he doesn’t we certainly should be able to pull in this home state talent.

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