“We got hit.”

I do not envy the place Missouri AD Mack Rhoades finds himself occupying these days.  His department is paying a price for the football players’ threatened boycott:  a hostile legislature, a decline in contributions due in some part to donors’ reactions to what happened and, as we saw last week, an administration that doesn’t seem particularly adept at managing the situation.

What he’s left with is trying to hold both ends against the middle, which is how you get to a mixed message like this:

University rules include sanctions, up to losing a scholarship, for athletes who do not meet their scholarship obligations.

“There is an expectation that our student-athletes practice, play, go to class and be responsible socially,” Missouri Athletic Director Mack Rhoades said. “There is absolutely that expectation of our student-athletes.”

The player boycott was an extraordinary situation and the athletic department is working to prevent a repeat, he said.

“For us, this is about creating an environment where our student-athletes never feel that they have to go to that measure,” Rhoades said.

On one level, there is definitely a certain amount of “what else can he say?” at work here.  As Bill Connelly notes, attempting to placate the Missouri legislature is a goal here, although that may be a fool’s errand.

And regarding further protests … Hank Foley needs to be careful. He appears to have convinced himself that he needs to talk tough to make the legislature happy — he’s prboably right, though I’m not particularly convinced anything is going to make the legislature happy, and they’re making Foley and Mike Middleton go through an elaborate song-and-dance before wrecking Mizzou’s funding (further) regardless — but he’s also putting Mack Rhoades in a tough spot.

I mean, do these really sound like the kind of people who are going to be satisfied with Rhoades’ proposed “environment”?  Hardly.

But think about what’s on the other side of the divide.  Say there’s another player boycott threatened and this time the school makes good on its threat by revoking the scholarships of 30+ football players.  That would result in about 40% of the football team being gone.  It would take years to replace the numbers, given the scholarship restraints in place, and that’s assuming Missouri would ever be able to regain traction recruiting black student-athletes after such a decision.  (The negative recruiting – “A kid can get in trouble with the law in Columbia, Missouri, and remain on the team, but let him speak his mind and look what happens!” – almost writes itself.)

In essence, the school would likely be creating its own private death penalty.  That should go over well with the rest of the SEC.  So Rhoades is justified in trying his damnedest to find a way to defuse the situation; given how the tone-deafness of the administration contributed greatly to the boycott threat in the first place, of course it’s a valid course of action for Missouri to recognize.  But what a tightrope to have to tiptoe…

Somehow, I doubt Rhoades thought he was signing up for all of that when he took the job.  If he can figure out a way to navigate through all of it without a scratch, he may become the first athletic director I can honestly say is underpaid.

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  1. Mark

    the whole “a student can speak his mind and lose his scholly” is nonsense. He can say whatever he wants to say. But he has to honor the scholly which means he plays and keeps his grades up. If a student refuses to honor his end of the deal by not playing, he shouldn’t expect the school to honor their end of the deal by keeping the scholly intact.

    March, protest, boycott whatever you want, so long as it is not violating the terms of the scholarship (i.e. going to class, playing, and practicing). This argument isn’t about free speech though many seem to want to make it about that.

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    • JCDAWG83

      I’ve said this all along. If a student on an academic scholarship decided to protest some perceived injustice by not attending class for a semester, the school would not continue their scholarship and it would have nothing to do with freedom of speech or expression. If a scholarship athlete is so incensed by something at the school, they have every right to protest by quitting the team. They do not have the right to continue to receive their scholarship.

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      • Easy for you to say when you’re not running an athletic department that makes millions.

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        • JCDAWG83

          The AD has a choice, he can take a stand and prevent future, never ending boycott threats from student athletes or he can coddle and cave and spend the rest of his tenure kissing the asses of a bunch of 18-22 year old entitled prima donnas.

          Of course, he can always resign.

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          • You assume that somehow the school can prevent future boycotts by adopting a policy. What makes you think that’s possible?

            As far as ass kissing goes, what do you think goes on with recruiting these days?

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            • Mark

              The school has every right to yank a scholly if someone isn’t fulfilling the requirements of the scholarship. That doesn’t mean yanking it is a wise decision and that is the tightrope that the AD has to walk. If the players were actually paid, this would be a much easier situation for the AD to navigate.

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              • The school has every right to yank a scholly if someone isn’t fulfilling the requirements of the scholarship.

                I think even that is a tougher call than you make it sound when the school had a hand in creating the conditions that led to the boycott threat.

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                • Mark

                  I didn’t say it was an easy call for the school to yank the schollies. I just said they had the right to do it. If players want to strike, the school doesn’t have to pay. Of course, I see it as employment and am a big believer in the free market. It is way past time to pay the players their due and then situations like this would be much easier to handle for both sides, IMO.

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          • Does’nt everybody kiss these kids asses.

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      • Derek

        I know that subtlety and nuance is difficult for some but I think you’re missing two major points: 1) it’s not the the university’s interests to revoke scholarships under these circumstances even if they could not be sued for infringement on a constitutional right. As the senator has tried repeatedly to explain to the hardheaded, what happens if they did go that route? Other than a non-existent football program that is? You can shoot draft dodgers on sight if you’d like, but the chances are that you’ll lose public opinion quickly. The world is not 2 dimensional. 2) does anybody think that the legislature would be freaking out over this if the football players were protesting in support of a conservative position? For example if the president of Missouri took to wearing a beret and a Che t-shirt a was promoting an end to capitalism, a protest of “we’re not playing until the commie is fired” would probably lead to nominations for congressional medals of freedom. Moreover can you imagine the uproar if anybody tried to strong arm these protesters with threats? So the first problem in your position is short-sidedness and the other is hypocrisy.

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        • JCDAWG83

          1) Sometimes, a decision that is painful in the short term is necessary in order to prevent more serious problems in the long term.
          2) I don’t know what the legislature would do, but the right thing to do would be to have the same stance on players boycotting regardless of the issue. Send a clear message on what is and isn’t acceptable behavior and be consistent in applying the rule.

          If all decisions were based on winning the public opinion battle, slavery would still be legal and women would not be allowed to vote.

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          • DawgPhan

            jesus christ. what is it like to hang around this guy and his friends if he thinks that the public opinion is still largely in favor of slavery and women should be able to vote.

            that’s incredible.

            thanks for letting us know you are a legit crazy person. h/t

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            • JCDAWG83

              My point was that if the legislators had followed public opinion at the time they allowed women to vote and abolished slavery, those things would not have happened. In 1860, I imagine the overall public opinion would not have been in favor of abolishing slavery and in the early 1900s, public opinion would have run staunchly against allowing women to vote.

              My post had nothing to do with today’s opinions.

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              • DawgPhan

                crazy how people think that words have meanings.

                “If all decisions were based on winning the public opinion battle, slavery would still be legal and women would not be allowed to vote.”

                This definitely implies that you think that slavery is still a very popular and that most think women shouldnt vote.

                Of course you have spent countless words arguing that football players should be treated as slaves, so this doesnt really surprise me.

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              • Derek

                Excuse me dumbass but Lincoln was elected president as an abolitionist as the nominee of a party founded upon a platform of promoting the abolition of slavery.

                Women’s sufferage became law after the enactment of the Nineteenth Amendment. Amendments to the bill of rights don’t happen without popular support.

                It does no good to derive opinions from facts you made up in your own head.

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    • As I noted in one of the earlier posts, it’s funny how we find ourselves talking in a contractual context when it comes to this.

      And a boycott isn’t about free speech? Ho-kay.

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      • JCDAWG83

        The boycott is not the issue, no one denies their right to boycott as a free speech issue. The issue is the university continuing to fund their scholarships when they are refusing to participate in the sport they are receiving the scholarship for.

        This is not a free speech issue, this is a funding issue.

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        • If they didn’t exercise their First Amendment rights, there would be no threat to their scholarships being funded.

          That’s like saying blacks sitting at lunch counters in the fifties and sixties wasn’t a free speech issue, but an imprisonment issue.

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          • Mark

            Senator, you are way off here. Its like saying that a worker should be paid by the company while they are on strike. Its not free speech. Its employment. You can’t say its employment when arguing for player pay then turn around and say its free when arguing for their speech. Its one or the other but not both.

            Now, if the university fired them because of what they said, then we would have a free speech issue. Firing them for refusing to play is something entirely different.

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            • I’m arguing for player compensation because they don’t have that.

              You’re arguing they’re employees when they aren’t considered employees by the same people contemplating the withdrawal of their scholarships.

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              • Dana

                It’s called “breach of contract”. The football players threatened to not uphold their contract terms, and it should not be ignored. There should be consequences for their actions.

                Concernedstudents1950 isn’t going away, and not all of their demands (many of which are outrageous) have not been met.

                There are other, less damaging, ways to voice your opinion regarding perceived wrongs on campus.

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          • JCDAWG83

            There is no parallel to the lunch counter argument. If the blacks had demanded to sit at the lunch counter and have their lunch paid for by someone else, the parallel would be closer. The players can exercise their first amendment rights all they want but if, in exercising those rights, they decide to stop participating in the sport they receive their scholarships for playing, they cannot reasonably expect to continue to receive the scholarship.

            No one is saying they should be kicked out of school. They should be allowed to remain in school as long as they are academically eligible to remain and pay their own way. That would give them full freedom to protest in any way they saw fit.

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            • If the blacks had demanded to sit at the lunch counter and have their lunch paid for by someone else, the parallel would be closer.

              They demanded to sit at the lunch counter without being forcibly removed and incarcerated. As someone might have said at the time, if they decide to violate the law, they cannot reasonably expect to continue to enjoy their freedom.

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              • JCDAWG83

                Unlike the lunch counter issue, the players are not being denied any kind of right. The players will not be removed from school, they will not be imprisoned or otherwise punished. They will simply have made a decision to forego the financial rewards they are receiving from the program they decide to boycott. It seems entirely reasonable to me that any individual cannot expect to continue to receive financial benefit from an organization they decide to stop participating in.

                An athletic scholarship is based on the premise that the athlete will continue to participate in the sport they are receiving the scholarship for. The scholarship is not based on the athlete’s past performance or the athlete’s mere fact of “being”.

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                • What if the athlete believes the school is violating a premise related to the athlete’s participation in athletics?

                  I’m not arguing the athlete isn’t taking a financial risk here, by the way. As somebody else noted earlier in this thread, the Mizzou kids knew what they were risking.

                  The problem is that I don’t think Missouri’s administrators or politicians know what they’re risking.

                  And, again, I find your insistence on a contractual relationship between S-A and school amusing, to say the least. Particularly when the S-A is prohibited by the NCAA from engaging professional assistance in negotiating the relationship beforehand in the name of amateurism. Somehow, that doesn’t sound entirely reasonable to me.

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                • JCDAWG83

                  I don’t think the Missouri players had any issue with the football program or how it was treating them. I also think the admin and politicians are aware of the risks but they see the need to prevent the athletes from holding them hostage with future threats.

                  We’ve talked at length about the relationship between the S-A and the school. I think there are two paths to take. One is the NFL model, where the players are employees. I don’t like that idea and see too many issues with honesty, academics, etc and I would probably lose most of my interest in college sports if it became nothing more than the NFL Light. The other path is more of a high school model where the players would have to be admitted to the school before they could be on the team. While the level of talent and play would suffer, I think that model would be more interesting to me. I think it’s going to have to move in one direction or the other eventually.

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                • I’m not trying to change your mind here. You’ve long had a position about player compensation and I respect that.

                  But the idea that threatening players with this because the risk of future player threats is worse than the consequences of kicking 40% of the football roster off the team isn’t rational. There’s no way Mizzou football would ever recover.

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                • The scholarship is not based on the athlete’s past performance or the athlete’s mere fact of “being”.

                  So much for the medical scholarship, then.

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      • Mark

        No a boycot isn’t about free speech. Why? Because at that point, your speech is no longer free. You are receiving a benefit for performing duties. The NCAA has gotten away with not calling it a wage, but it is a wage. They are not entitled to a wage, when the duties are not performed. They can say what they want, but the minute a worker goes on strike, the benefits of the job stop. Right now the benefits are not adequate for the labor involved and players should be paid a LOT more than they are. However, to equate free speech with “if I stop working you still owe me” is going too far, IMO. That’s not speech, its wanting a handout for no longer working. Speak it, yell it, organize, boycott other things, but do not expect to be paid for your duties when you refuse to uphold your end of the bargain. If its worth giving up the benefits for, then by all means go on strike. Just don’t expect to get paid when you do.

        Of course, we all know how crazy Missou would be to simply revoke the schollies in mass. I suspect many will try to reach a middle ground somewhere.

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        • They can say what they want, but the minute a worker goes on strike, the benefits of the job stop.

          This is what I’d call convenient amateurism.

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          • JCDAWG83

            It appears your argument is, the players have some sort of God given right to the scholarship regardless of whether or not they actually participate in the sport they are given the scholarship in. Do you also feel that athletes should be able to quit going to class and continue to play on college teams for a few years in order to audition for professional sports teams?

            What responsibility do the players have to continue receiving their scholarships and what recourse should the university have when the players do not live up to their responsibilities?

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    • Was the school going to fire the coach for supporting his players wishes and their choice to exercise their right to free speech? This is absolutely about the right to free speech.

      The leverage that they had as players was what made their choice to exercise that right to free speech so effective. Their power came from being scholarship athletes which had the potential to disrupt the revenues of the University and community.

      Unlike Jan Kemp though, these athletes don’t have the luxury of trying to litigate this in court if they wanted to call their bluff. NCAA eligibility rules exceptions would have to be afforded to players since it would be in court of years.

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  2. Wait … they players might still have leverage? That is a travesty of justice – they should just be quiet, don’t have an opinion for anything, play ball, take the classes we tell them to take so they don’t miss practice, don’t take drugs, don’t expect to be paid, understand that collegiate athletics is a business that makes money for everyone in the system but the athletes so they could lose their scholarship at anytime for violating the “rules” or for just not developing as player or because of a coaching change, and sign over the rights to their likeness from the ages of 18-22 in perpetuity to the athletic department who will can sell licensed merchandise with said likeness without ever giving a portion to the athlete, while being treated to a different set of rules than other students because of their celebrity status on campus – I mean don’t they realize how great they have it?

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    • JCDAWG83

      Yeah, they should all quit, that scholarship is worthless, what good is a college degree anyway? I guess you are not a fan of college sports at all? I mean, how could you be a fan of any system that exploits and takes advantage of young people like that?

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      • I never said the scholarship is worthless and I am a fan of college sports. I find the NCAA’s continued rule of amateurism to be especially distasteful given the amount of money raised for everyone else in the system but the athlete.

        In most cases for football players, basketball players and most women’s sports, the scholarship is good value to the athlete. However, just because something is a good value, it doesn’t mean that it is a good moral or ethical value.

        Amateurism has been abandoned by every other major sporting organization in the world because the principles and foundations it was based on were about exclusivity and not inclusivity.

        I find it especially distasteful that a group of politicians feels the need to step in to tell these kids how and when they are allowed to exercise their First Amendment rights.

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        • JCDAWG83

          The legislature is not telling the kids how and when they can exercise any rights. The issue is the funding of the students’ education, room and board when the students decide to stop participating in the activity that they are receiving the scholarship for.

          Every single player has the right and ability to quit the football team in protest and remain a student at the University of Missouri. The athletes should not have the expectation that they will continue to receive scholarship benefits if they stop participating in the sport.

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  3. Mark

    Good point on him having to navigate a morass though. If he can pull this off, kudos to him.

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  4. Gaskilldawg

    The thread evolved into a dispute over something that was not in dispute in November. The players acknowledged that they could be kicked off the team for boycotting. No player said otherwise. One of the things that made the threat of a boycott effective was the fact that the players were prepared to sacrifice financially (the economic effect of the university not being able to fulfill its contractual duty to show up and play was huge, too.)

    The arguments above summarized as follows.
    1. Players recognize they could lose scholarships.
    2. Counterpoint repeated over and over again above: The players could lose scholarships.
    Not much of a debate.

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  5. W Cobb Dawg

    At this time I’d keep my mouth shut if I was the a.d. I’d have a firm policy of holding my finger up to see which way the wind is blowing to address any future issues on a case-by-case basis.

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  6. DawgPhan

    Ummm…

    small point, but isnt the scholarship for going to school? Isn’t it just a happy coincidence that these kids are also good at a sport that generates billions in revenue?

    Hasnt that been the argument that the schools and the NCAA have always been making?

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    • JCDAWG83

      I don’t think so. The scholarship is awarded because the student is an excellent athlete at a particular sport and the school is willing to pay for his/her tuition and expenses in return for the athlete competing for that school. If the athlete decides to stop participating in that sport, the scholarship goes away.

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      • DawgPhan

        I believe that you are wrong.
        The point is that the schools and the NCAA have been arguing in federal court for the last several years that the scholarship is for being a student and not for playing sports.

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        • JCDAWG83

          I haven’t heard that argument. I’ve thought their argument was the scholarship is adequate compensation for playing the sport. It would be hard for them to make the “scholarship is for being a student” argument when athletes lose their scholarships if they quit their teams.

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          • DawgPhan

            “Northwestern considers its students who participate in NCAA Division I sports, including those who receive athletic scholarships, to be students, first and foremost,” Northwestern vice president for university relations Alan Cubbage wrote in a statement on March 26, 2014. “We believe that participation in athletic events is part of the overall educational experience for those students, not a separate activity.”

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            • JCDAWG83

              OK, I don’t think that statement says he thinks the athletic scholarship is for being a student. I read that as he thinks the athletes are students, not solely athletes.

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              • DawgPhan

                So as long as the student maintain their academics during a protest they should be meeting their obligations for their scholarship.

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                • JCDAWG83

                  No, the scholarship is given because of their ability in their sport. If they stop playing the sport, they should lose the scholarship. The same as a music student on a music scholarship who decides they want to quit playing music.

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  7. Walt

    I’m really surprised the legislator who is proposing the legislation to prevent further boycotts is a Republican. Those are usually the kind of nut job crazy laws proposed by liberal left wing democrats.

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  8. Bright Idea

    This whole argument can go on forever but here is what I think I know. The same group that would tell the players they are being used like a plantation system are the same ones that used them to get the president fired. The players got used when 95% of them probably didn’t know the president was disliked by a certain group until they were led to the guy on a hunger strike.

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    • The players got used when 95% of them probably didn’t know the president was disliked by a certain group until they were led to the guy on a hunger strike.

      Honestly, how would you know?

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      • Rp

        I would love the hypothetical of giving the players a 10-question test on the known facts surrounding the whole affair. Would you bet your house on an aggregate score of higher than 50 percent?

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  9. SWGADAWG

    I support any player’s right to boycott over anything. I also, support the right of those in charge to revoke/suspend or whatever if the player refuses to play in a scheduled game or refuses to practice.. Any other balance is a way to pick a side as governments do many times. If the grievances are egregious enough the player should stick to his conscience and refuse to play (boycott). The consequences of such actions should guide and inform the player as to the path he should take. Some things are worth quitting over, some aren’t. That’s life. It’s a power struggle….nothing more. Let it play out and let the true value of each position be played out. The only other option is to let someone make a political/moral judgment for those involved and that never turns out well.

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    • Rp

      This is one of the reasons the civil rights protesters of the 60’s have my respect and today’s mostly do not. The protesters in the 60’s knew they could/would be beaten, killed, imprisoned and ruined. They had the courage and conviction to do it in the face of those threats.

      Most of today’s protesters do it for self aggrandizement, personal satisfaction, and financial gain. There is little risk of negative repercussions.

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  10. doofusdawg

    Sounds like what is missing here is that the lawyers were not brought in early enough to set the grievances and issues that could be covered by a strike… along with the compensation during the strike… the amount of practice time to be allocated toward the strike… and eventually what time the kids have to get up for workouts.

    But what takes the cake is the commentor who accuses the other that he wants to bring back slavery… Then you chastise the next guy about keeping it civil.

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    • I thought I chastised him for name calling.

      The comment in question was poorly phrased. He was called on it and tried to explain his remarks. That’s how it’s supposed to work around here.

      Sorry if I find a difference between that and calling another poster “dumbass”.

      Enjoy your cake.

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  11. TN Dawg

    I love a good discussion on Free Speech that centers on the University failing to properly address someone using prohibited racial slurs vehemently enough.

    I suppose all speech is equal, but some speech is more equal than others.

    It’s like a episode of Mizz-landia.

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