From the Butts-Mehre Department of “That Was Then, This Is Now”…

Weasel words.

Up until recently, Georgia never put restrictions on where an athlete could transfer, even if it was to a rival school. Now that stance has been “adjusted,” athletics director Greg McGarity confirmed.

The adjustment came after a meeting with Kirby Smart, the new football head coach, who was dealing with a player who wanted to transfer.

“Kirby brought me up to date on this when we were discussing our stance, and so that stance has been adjusted,” McGarity said on Friday.

It’s nice Kirby’s keeping Greg in the loop, doncha think?

More weasel words.

McGarity cautioned that was a “stance,” not a policy, one that will be reviewed on an individual basis.

“We are not totally restricting transfer opportunities for our student-athletes. We will take each request on its own merit to determine if any restrictions should be placed on the release due to any extenuating circumstances,” McGarity said. “Student-athletes are afforded the opportunity to appeal the decision through the institution.”

That’s much different from what McGarity said two years ago, after Georgia Tech denied basketball player Robert Carter a release to speak to Georgia about a transfer.

“The University of Georgia doesn’t restrict a student-athlete from any school that is seeking a transfer,” McGarity said at the time. “The student-athlete’s best interest is at the forefront of our program. If they’re not happy here we’re not going to dictate where they can and can’t go.”

Whatever Kirby says, Greg.

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UPDATE:  Chip Towers raises an interesting point.  Remember the last time McGarity made that noble comment?

Until now, Georgia had made it clear that if one of its student-athletes was not happy here, they were free to go anywhere else they wanted. Even Georgia Tech.

They let running back J.J. Green — certainly a more productive back than Turman — transfer there just last year. Afterward, UGA Athletic Director Greg McGarity spoke of striking an accord with the Yellow Jackets, who a year earlier had refused to let the Bulldogs communicate with basketball player Robert Carter about a possible transfer.

“We’re in agreement there should not be any reasons to not grant the wishes of any student-athlete who might want to transfer between our institutions as long as there has been no tampering,” McGarity said in December of 2014.  “As long there’s been nothing done to recruit a current student-athlete, as long as it’s on the up-and-up – which is the case as I understand it with J.J. he only downside is that student-athlete may come back and have a great game against you. But if they’re not happy at the University of Georgia, they should be happy somewhere else.”

Does that mean the cold peace with Georgia Tech is now off?

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  1. doofusdawg

    I doubt Kirby cares about Turman going to Miami but he clearly wants to establish precedent that other current players and perhaps future recruits know that Miami is not a transfer option.

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    • Why would Kirby care for future recruits to know that?

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      • GATA

        I have always admired our prior policy (per KS, now ‘stance), especially when compared to UGA rivals. As much as I wanted to view this through the “the times, they are a changing” lens; to me this seems only viewable through the “petty” lens. I would have preferred (1) Coach Smart / ADGM to admit a change in policy whereby players will no longer be able to transfer to another SEC school, while (2) admitting / allowing an exception to the players currently on the roster that signed under CMR’s tenure (no UM restriction). This methodology would (1) ‘look / feel’ as if UGA is getting tougher / keeping up with the Joneses (positive perception, my opinion) and; (2) provide ‘look / feel’ of maintaining a program where player’s interests are the priority. I would not restrict against a player wanting to transfer to the flats…in my opinion, they are not worth even acknowledging…also, too petty.

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      • doofusdawg

        We are evidently focusing a lot of time and attention in south Florida. I would think the last thing Kirby would want is to spend all that energy on a kid… get him to commit and then have him get homesick and want to transfer back home. That and the incestuous relationship with the two schools due to CMR and company… you just never know what could transpire in the future.

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      • Otto

        I don’t believe this about future recruits, but about current players. They can’t leave to play for the prior coach like the L’ville transfers did. They will be more likely to work for playing time under Smart.

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      • I’m not saying it’s wrong or right but I think the point that KS is making is that if you liked the previous regime more than the new one then tough shit.

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  2. I Wanna Red Cup

    HAHA- its a “stance” not a policy. Just like McGarity’s head up his ass is a stance.

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  3. Alex

    But why should he get to hold a player captive if that player wants to play for the coach that recruited him and who he has a relationship with?

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  4. sectionzalum

    What a disgrace. Fire both of ’em.

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    • Rick

      Agreed. The only way this stops is the fans of the school doing it speaking up. For a decade now when this shit happens, the fans of every OTHER school deride it, and make excuses when their own school does it.

      What am I supposed to be a fan of?

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  5. Argondawg

    I would rather Kirby call the shots than McGarity. We can bitch all we want but the new Sheriff has a different set of laws. I am ok with that. I also think that if Trenton Thompson,. Lorenzo Carter, Sony Michel and Isiah McKenzie and Nick Chubb all wanted to transfer to Miami to play for coach Richt everyone would shit themselves if no restrictions were in place. Its easy on a 5th string tailback. Kirby needs to set some precedent. The kinder, gentler days at UGA are f’ing over. This thing is being run like a dictatorship. We signed up for this shit and now we got it. AJ seems fine with it. Why are most on this board bitching 10 times more than he is?

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    • sliceshs

      It’s their life (they are students, not paid athletes). I’m not happy as a fan if they left and would want to beat their new team regardless.

      Also he apparently doesn’t seem fine with it…he’s appealing it:

      http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/georgia-rb-says-he-can-t-transfer-to-miami-or-florida-181827286.html

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      • Debby Balcer

        Amen. This is their future and their ability to show their talent. It is selfish for us to control their future. I am disappointed in Kirby. Not surprised about McGarity I always knew he was a weasel.

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        • You are just happy you finally have a reason to dislike Kirby. Congrats. It sure is gonna burn your behind when he brings an SEC title home.

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          • Debby Balcer

            Wrong. I love the DAWGS and support my team believe it or not liking the integrity of the program before today and wanting the program to be successful with integrity are not mutually exclusive. I want my team to be successful but I want it done with integrity. I do not want it to fail no matter who the coach is. I never root for my team to fail.

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          • sliceshs

            I wasn’t wearing rose colored glasses with Richt* and I’m sure not going to be that way with Smart. I’ll cheer for the team but disagree when something is not right whether on or off the field. Did it with RIcht, will do it with Smart.

            do think Richt was a great person

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    • Derek

      I always appreciate the projections of people who assume that people who disagree with them would change their tunes IF the facts were a little different. I’m sure it helps getting through life as a jackass just knowing that under the surface of every seemingly good person is a jackass just like them who are unwilling to admit it.

      Frankly I think the mandatory one year sitting out policy keeps transfers from being routine. If all 85 guys wanted to bolt, and sit out a year, as far as I’m concerned they can go. I don’t want anybody playing for Georgia against their will.

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      • Argondawg

        So now you are name calling someone who disagrees with you? I think the jackass theory has merit. Just not the way you think it does.

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        • Derek

          If I were bigger than you you wouldn’t call me a jackass.

          See how that stupid shit works? I couldn’t give a rats ass what you want to call me. I’m not sensitive like some around here. Have at it.

          I don’t think the argument that “you’d change your tune if nick Chubb wanted to go to Miami” Is very persuasive. We’ve had a good positive policy changing for reasons that nobody has justified with anything close to an argument. Most of what I’ve read around here is “glad kirbys a dick cause I’m a dick and you’d be a dick too if it was X wanting to leave and it’s about time we had a dick around here cause I’m a dick and so I kinda like people acting like dicks for no good reason cause that’s how I live my life.” I’m unpersuaded.

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          • AArgondawg

            Are you even remotely capable of having a disagreement without calling someone a jackass or a dick? What are you 12? I get that Nick Chubb or AJ Turman is all the same to you. I don’t buy that for a second but I understand that you want to believe it. You feel that it is the most moral position. I get that. It’s BS but I get it. It is really quite irrelevant what we prefer. I am not saying that I think a more hardass approach is the best way. i have mixed emotions about it. I trust Kirby to make the best decisions for the program until he proves me wrong and nothing he has done so far leads me to believe that he is petty. He seems to have reason and purpose behind his decisions. I looked forward to seeing what your next insult might be.

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            • Derek

              How do I top “you’re full of shit?” I think I’m gonna cry…

              I appreciate your unquestioning faith in authority. So long as the trains run on time right? What could go wrong?

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              • Eric johnson

                Seems like your comment section has finally turned into the Rivals Vent, Senator.
                I miss the old days.

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            • Mark

              I find it fascinating that you are telling Derek what HE thinks.

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    • TN Dawg

      Your perspective would carry more weight were it not for McG’s statement.

      If we are weighing it on a case by case basis, then yes if Chubb, Carter, Michel, etc, I suppose that case would be for denying transfer.

      But what are the special circumstances with a 5th string tailback? It’s hard to imagine what scenario would allow players to transfer freely, if a bench rider that never has played doesn’t qualify.

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  6. lakedawg

    Complete chicken shit on Kirbys part and of course ADGM keeps his pattern of going with what looks best for him at the time. CMR has clearly gotten in Kirbys head already, hope we do not have to play them in a bowl any time soon.

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    • So if MR had gone to UF or any other SEC rival then you’d be cool allowing free transfers to any of the guys that wanted to go back to playing for captain milquetoast if they don’t like the new sheriff in town? I doubt if in 5 years KS could give a shit about Miami. It’s about taking control of the locker room.

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      • If the boss you like to work with went to another job after being run out of town on a rail, would you want your current employer to tell you that you can go anywhere else but follow your boss? If you felt that it was important, you would tell your employer to kiss your @$$. Oh, yeah, these guys aren’t employees.

        This is the first Dumb move of the Smart era. I wonder if any of the beat writers will have the nerve to ask Kirby about it at his next press conference.

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  7. 92 grad

    Oy, on the surface, y’all have a good point interpreting this stuff as petty, immoral, or whatever.

    In reality, this year, it is a stance that makes sense. CKS is going to have a “red phase” (any vets around?). That is, he is making the locker room very uncomfortable and likely riding the thin line between his team being fired up and losing the locker room, mutiny. Remember, these are very young adults who are empowered. Kirby is getting them used to being uncomfortable. It’s more about removing the temptation to go play for CMR, removing the little shadow of doubt in a kids mind.

    I will say this though, it darn well better be temporary. 1 year max.

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    • 3rdandGrantham

      That’s a fair point, but I would counter by saying there certainly are ways to make the players uncomfortable while still retaining 95% or more of the roster. Besides, any player that looks to transfer knows full well that they must sit out a year, which is quite an ordeal and tough sacrifice to make. Also, this is Miami we’re talking about, a program that is a mere shell of its former self and far away from home for most of the team. Heck, the fact that you’d be leaving an always packed 93K+ Sanford for a dumpy NFL stadium with 1/3 the attendance alone should make any player think twice about leaving.

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  8. 3rdandGrantham

    Vehemently disagree with this new policy, stance, or whatever they’re calling it. I can understand UF, but as other have said, the optics with the Miami restriction just screams petty and perhaps borderline juvenile to me.

    For the longest time, many of us proud fans and alums took pride in the fact that UGA held itself to higher standards than the rest of the football factories in the SEC, but it obvious that those days have quickly become a distant memory with the changing of the guard from CMR to CKS.

    Whereas before we kept a nice pile of chips tucked securely in our possession, while occasionally throwing a few here and there in the middle of the table; we’ve now decided to go all in, and have essentially told the rest of the SEC that we’re through playing the aw shucks nice guy with a heart of gold.

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  9. Reipar

    If this is who we are we better win big and soon.

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  10. Aladawg

    Hell of a way for McGoofey and CKS to unite the bulldog nation. This is pissy, petty and all over a kid who wouldn’t get a chance to play here. Making an example in this case is classless. I’m liking less of what I’m seeing after a good start. They are both saying to those of us that want UGA to continue to have class, kiss my a__! This will only divide the bulldog nation further. He better damn well win quick or both will be gone soon.

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  11. I truly don’t understand what people stand to gain from having the most “moral” college football program. I’m honestly asking without any snark:

    1) Why is this something to strive for? What benefits are obtained for the program, for the players/coaches, for you?
    2) Where does your sense of morality originate? How do you decide what is right vs wrong? Is it what the pro-Richt circlejerk thinks? Is it what the anti-Richt circlejerk thinks? Is it your ethical standard from your work background? Is it your gut? What tells you what is the right vs wrong?
    3) Do you really, sincerely believe that UGA was squeaky clean under Mark Richt, Vince Dooley, or now?

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    • GATA

      1) I prefer UGA’s perception of ‘a clean program’ compared to the majority of the SEC and a select few other football factories. That public perception (can become reality) is of benefit to the program and me as a fan. My comment above and here relates only to player transfer restrictions. I really did like our “if you don’t want to be here, get gone” attitude as compared to almost all others who seemed to be afraid / ruling with an iron fist – it seemed as if UGA was more confident in itself than others.
      2) Simply a “you know it when you see it” – nothing Richt related for me.
      3) UGA has never been squeaky clean. I would argue that they are better than most programs that we aspire to become.

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    • Aladawg

      It’s about class, man, something you obviously don’t have and don’t understand.

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      • You don’t know me, yet you try to pigeon hole me and lecture me about class, hiding behind your anonymity… entirely without irony. Thank you for making my point.

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        • Cosmic Dawg

          When you ask “what we have to gain by being the most moral program” what do you expect?

          The point is not about what you gain, but who you want to be.

          Based on your comments here through the years, I am surprised at your cynicism the last couple days.

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          • My opinions have generally been pro-player, and I want people to be treated fairly and equally. I am just in awe at the reaction to Kirby placing a restriction on Turman’s transfer. The masses treat it likr he’s committed some horrible transgression because he doesn’t share Richt’s let ’em go philosophy, and we now believe he is chickenshit, classless, petty, etc. Kirby is abiding by the rules. If anything, this revealed that UGA was never a moral program. it was run by a moral man. He is gone. We will now operate like a football factory. If that is not what you signed up for, I suppose this is the Salvo that tells you times are a changin’. Either you stop being a fan to prevent your embarrassment at our new emphasis on doing what is best for the program at all times, or you will be miserable for the foreseeable future. I’m done. Peace to all.

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    • 3rdandGrantham

      I view morality, along with right vs. wrong in a similar fashion as how the U.S. Supreme Court defines pornography: you know it when you see it.

      As a proud alum, I view UGA as an academic institution of higher learning first and foremost, with the football program taking a distant second to this. With that in mind, I expect UGA to hold itself to high standards, unlike the myriad football factories of the world out there. Such standards have helped UGA dramatically increase its academic ranking and over standing nationwide if not worldwide.

      Was UGA squeaky clean under Dooley or CMR? Of course not. But we were certainly much cleaner than most other SEC programs. But excusing questionable decisions because you were never squeaky clean previously is akin to excusing, say, burglarizing someones home because you got a few speeding tickets a few years back.

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      • I find it odd that no one can give a definitive answer as to how they define right vs. wrong except to say it is up to your own perception (know it when you see it), yet that same person is 100% that their perception of right vs. wrong is the correct one, and not agreeing makes you classless or anti-humanity or the lowest scum of the earth, depending on who you are asking. I’m not pointing this out to you in particular, just a general observation that your comment prompted.

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        • Debby Balcer

          If I would not want it done to me child it is wrong. I don’t think you will find me in any circle jerk.

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        • 3rdandGrantham

          I didn’t say it was up to your own perception. Rather, I implied that right vs. wrong should obvious to anyone with a modicum level of intelligence. Take the following actions:

          Baking cookies for friends, stealing money from a strangers purse, hitting someone with a baseball bat during a verbal argument, helping a pregnant lady load groceries into her car, and shouting obsenities at someone who doesnt share your religious beliefs.

          Now, if you cant discern between right and wrong with the above examples, but instead would rather engage in a game of moralistic interpretation with the above scenarios, well, then I’m not really sure it’s worth continuing to debate you.

          Btw, I’m a Smart supporter and have been calling for CMR’s dismissal since way back in ’10, fwiw.

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        • SEBdawg

          There’s that whole “golden rule” thing. Most religions and philosophies recognize that as a good starting point for morality. Football is a game and doing the right thing should not take a back seat to winning. I fear that much like our nation,some or our fanbase’s moral compass is not pointing true. The “anything is justified” mentality is why every time I think about the main options the voters have in Nov I throw up a little In my mouth.

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    • dawgtired

      “Is it what the pro-Richt circlejerk thinks?”

      I will lose little sleep over Smart’s decision; I don’t have a dawg in this hunt…but I also don’t need CMR’s beliefs and actions to guide me in what’s ethical or of good character. My personal integrity and beliefs of what’s ethical was in place long before I heard of Mark Richt. And if actions of good character are done with the expectation of “gaining benefits”…then it’s NOT good character. You should do what’s right regardless of the impact.

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      • I totally agree with you about personally doing what is right regardless of benefits, etc. I’m more curious about the idea that your football factory has some moral high ground over the other football factories, and why that is a worthwhile pursuit.

        To me, it’s like saying my slut mother is not as STD-ridden as your slut mother, but I suppose for some it is of utmost importance that everyone believe our slut mother is the cleanest slut on the block. Whatever makes you feel good, I suppose.

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  12. Athens Dog.

    BM has been a train wreck since Adams. Hope Kirby can navigate it.

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  13. DC Weez

    I object to the term “Weasel words.”

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  14. Jim

    JFC people. We can’t beg for change and then nit pick what part of the new coaches plan we accept. Deal with it and move on. I for one did not like facing Mettenberger or Marshall one bit and there was more than one of us that complained about Richt letting both of them go to rival schools.

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    • Reipar

      Your argument would be better made if we could have stopped either of them from going to those programs. They both went juco first. Maybe pick some other examples.

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    • 69Dawg

      They went to JCs for a year Richt nor anybody else can control where they go after that. Get the damn facts straight at least.

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    • Gaskilldawg

      Richt didn’t “let[ ] both of them go to rival schools.” We kicked both off of the team. If we kick them off of the team they are not UGA student-athletes any more and we cannot control where they go next.

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  15. Bright Idea

    So this was school policy when Richt was around but now it is case by case? KS already has some kind of power.

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  16. HVL Dawg

    Friday night Mark Richt booted Miami’s kicker off the team for DUI. Maybe this is all about Marshall Morgan? Remember CMR loves him.

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  17. Moral victories never win national championship but 15 years of angst and grief. Be real here folks. Fans were just bashing Richt on his moral victories in the past years. Now I realized why media and bloggers has called Georgia fans the most frustrated. In the last 10 year I have not seen a team win the national championship and still claim moral victory. Wake up folks.

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    • I don’t think Richt’s transfer policy has anything to do with why we didn’t win a national championship. Why do you think doing the right thing and winning are mutually exclusive?

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  18. Bob

    Pathetic. And very sad. I thought Richt was way too lenient when it came to transfers, especially to rivals. But this is the opposite end of the spectrum. Do we know what the policy would be if he wanted to go to Bama or Auburn or LSU or UT? It appears to be classless.

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  19. TN Dawg

    If a college revokes your scholarship, do you have to sit out a year?

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  20. sUGArdaddy

    Gracious, guys…it’s about winning. If we are going to fire a near saint (and I mean that extremely positively) who went 10-3 his last 2 years, then we have to let the guy do what he wants. And he’s got to do what he thinks will win, as long as it’s within the rules.

    My guess is this will last 3 yrs, till Richt’s recruits graduate. The message: you can’t go run off to richt because things are too tough here. But, if it stays a policy as long as richt is at Miami, I’m cool with that, too. We’re competing with him for recruits now, and there will be a lot of inside knowledge of our program for a long time for him.

    Kirby is in it to win it. And I like winning. The high horse wasn’t nearly as comfortable as I thought. But those wins in the dome sure are. We don’t need to cheat, but we could use a little cold blood in our program. I want to do things right, but this doesn’t bother me at all, and I adored Richt.

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    • It’s within the rules, but I think it’s petty. I don’t think players who are anticipating to be contributors are going to run off to south Florida and give up a year of eligibility because they don’t like the new expectations. Just my $.02.

      Kirby said he needed to rerecruit the team to buy l-in to their plan. Now that some may not want to get on the train, he wants to tell them where they can’t go. I find that off putting.

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  21. Buddha

    Letting kids who are unhappy at GA transfer to wherever they want to go passes the smell test. Holding them hostage doesn’t. This feels like a step backwards and a step in the wrong direction.

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  22. WarD Eagle

    This is an issue I would like to see the NCAA enforce and require all schools to release any player with no conditions.

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    • AusDawg85

      And those with parole conditions can still attend Auburn! 🙂

      Don’t be mad…I’m just waiting for Kirby’s first acceptance of a “troubled young man in need of a 2nd chance” for that wall to be broken at UGA too.

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  23. DawgPhan

    So many of y’all in here telling on yourself.

    Letting a player transfer has never hurt Georgia.

    Placing a restrictions on a transfer doesn’t make Georgia a better football team.

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  24. PTC DAWG

    Nice to see someone take the bull by the horns in Athens.

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