Can The Process be cloned?

If you listened to The Audible podcast I linked to yesterday past Stewart Mandel’s interview with Kirby Smart, you would have heard Mandel and Bruce Feldman discuss where Smart wants to take the program.  (By the way, Feldman makes an excellent point about how Aaron Murray might be the exact type of quarterback Smart looks for.)  The point they both arrive at is that Kirby intends to, as Mandel put it, “out-Alabama, Alabama”.

Andy Staples pretty much goes to the same place here.

Smart got this job not because he once played safety for the Bulldogs. He got it because he served as the defensive coordinator for the man who knows how to regularly get those last two or three wins. At Alabama, any season that doesn’t end with a national title is an abject failure. Smart helped Nick Saban capture four national titles in the past seven seasons. So, like former Saban assistants Derek Dooley, Jimbo Fisher, Will Muschamp and Jim McElwain before him, Smart has been hired to lead a program with the expectation that he will bring Saban’s formula and get Saban’s results…

Smart knows this, but long-term thinking is antithetical to The Process. The greatest challenge in the Alabamafication of Georgia’s program is getting the Bulldogs to think the way the Crimson Tide players do. While Saban’s skill at projecting and recruiting talent and then drawing up schemes ranks among the best in the game, his greatest gift is his ability to make a huge group of 18- to 22-year-olds perform consistently. He does this by making them forget the big picture exists. Instead, they concentrate solely on the next play, the next weight-room rep and the next English Composition paper. “The media is going to portray it as ‘Are you going to win the SEC East? Are you going to win the national championship? Uh uh,” Smart said. “We’re worried about practice No. 10. Then we’re worried about practice No. 11.”

Last week Smart sought a way to refocus his players before a practice. He feared they had hit a wall. He worried some felt too sorry for themselves to pay attention. So, before the Bulldogs took the field, Smart showed them a brief video in which Alonzo Mourning discussed his return to the NBA following a kidney transplant. After hearing about Mourning’s fight, a few hours of practice didn’t seem so bad. Smart will have to find something else to reinforce that message every day, and he knows he will have to communicate it differently to different players. “That’s where Nick is ahead of the curve on everybody,” Smart said. “He’s got a different way to reach every kid. He’s also got every accessory.”

Smart has yet to decide if he’ll use the same array of consultants Saban uses. (For example, Alabama contracts three different people to serve as mental coaches for its players.) But Smart will absolutely try to mimic Saban’s core principle…

Will it work?  Greg McGarity has made a big bet that it will.  If Butts-Mehre has indeed bought in all the way to letting the football program operate in a wide open manner, resource wise, McGarity’s judgment may indeed be vindicated.

But Georgia ain’t Alabama.  Not now, not ever.  There’s a lot of history and a lot of entrenched attitudes that Smart is going to have to work extremely hard to overcome.  That’s the big advantage Saban had over Smart in coming into the job at Alabama.  There simply wasn’t anything he had to fight when he started.

Kirby has to build a championship football program and change the Georgia Way, all at the same time.  That’s a lot for anyone to have on his plate, let alone a first time head coach.  Is he up to it?  And, perhaps more relevantly, is the athletic department up to it?

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106 responses to “Can The Process be cloned?

  1. ASEF

    So, if we use pro owners as analogues to school administrations, who does Alabama compare? Robert Kraft? And who does Georgia compare? Jerry Jones?

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  2. Hogbody Spradlin

    The biggest advantage Alabama has is that everything, everything right down to the custodian staff, is fixed, rigged, in the tank for Tide Football. The University of Georgia fancies itself as more intellectual and elitist these days, like UVA and UNC. Georgia will not support activities just for dumb jocks to the same degree as Alabama, especially since those dumb jock activities already bring nice cash flow without full support.

    (Flame if you want but the point has traction)

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  3. 92 grad

    People can call it anything they want, at the end of the day we just want to see a football team that is competitive, where there isn’t 1 or 2 phases of the game that require the 3rd phase to over compensate. (The O sucks so we need the D to perform higher than it would otherwise have to). The list of tasks that follow are what they are.

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  4. UGA85

    To me, if the SEC East stays as it is and has been, CKS will have no problem getting to nine or ten wins most seasons. Really, only UT and UF are true obstacles. So the question above is a good one. Can he get the one or two extra wins that he needs through consistent motivation and preparation? I would think and hope so, and I look forward to seeing the process in action on the field.

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    • ugadawgguy

      Richt had no problem getting to nine or ten wins most seasons.

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      • UGA85

        That’s true. We just have more available talent than so many we play, and we play in a very weak division. CKS needs to do more than win nine or ten games; he needs to beat the best teams in the East, like UT and UF, then compete and win in ATL. That was the standard for CMR, and that should be the standard for CKS.

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  5. heyberto

    To me the question isn’t can we ‘out Alabama, Alabama’. It’s can Kirby, by way of what he learned Alabama, generate a level of success greater than Mark Richt could. Does he have to reach Alabama heights? I don’t think so. Should we playing for SEC Championships every few years? Yes, and he has to win some of those. I heard Mandel’s podcast you posted yesterday, and they weren’t big on Georgia’s chances. I thought that was fair, not knowing what Kirby can do.. and maybe it’s the homer optimist in me… but I think the chances are a lot better for success than that. Maybe we won’t reach Alabama levels of success, but I’ve got to think that if we’re successful in getting the recruits Kirby is aggressively going after, we’ll be able to do better than we have in recent years.

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  6. Dolly Llama

    Maybe it’s just the Dawg in me, but I’m getting this sinking feeling that Kirby’s going to be a big fucking bust and we’re about to spend some time in the wilderness. All this “Process” bullshit has a heavy aroma of jinx baked right into it. (And, no, this isn’t some Mark Richt lament. It doesn’t bother me overmuch that he’s gone.)

    Hope I’m wrong, but I’m not jumping on the Kirby bandwagon until it gets rolling, at least.

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    • I fear the worst thing Kirby has going for him are the people who hired him.

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      • ugadawgguy

        Them, and by extension, the surrounding culture (e.g., local law enforcement, and so forth). The atmosphere surrounding the UGA football program is vastly different from that surrounding nearly every other program in the SEC.

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        • I am very disappointed that we haven’t changed our weed policy to align more closely with our SEC rivals. We aren’t proving anything other than we are behind the times.

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      • Russ

        That’s a good point, but given the zeal they exhibited in pursuing him and the gamble they took in firing a proven coach, I hope they are “all in” on Kirby’s process.

        There are certain things that just aren’t going to happen at UGA that UA seems to enjoy, such as courtesy calls from the cops, and unlimited budgets, but we’ve already seen many changes that we wouldn’t have thought possible before (hiring extra assistants, “Kirby’s Law”, 93k at GDay), so I’m cautiously optimistic. My worry is that Kirby may not get many chances to screw up, and any first time head coach is going to screw up some. If we start to get trigger happy, firing every 3-4 years in the search, then we could start wandering. We don’t have to have the same patience that we showed with Richt, but we can’t get too jumpy, either.

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        • PTC DAWG

          I think they are all in for the most part.

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          • dawgtired

            At least it looks like they are for now. Kirby will need to take this new ‘Georgia-way’ attitude and produce. If the powers-to-be are going to compromise their process to get the wins…then they better be getting their wins. A few East Championships will satisfy them for a while…but that won’t last long before they’ll want more.

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          • ugadawgguy

            Until the UGAPD and ACCPD operate the same way as local police departments in other SEC towns, Georgia is not “all in.” Until Georgia’s athletic discipline policy comes close to matching those at other SEC athletic departments, Georgia is not “all in.” Until the state legislature hogties the other football programs in the state in an effort to help UGA, as is the case for Alabama, Georgia is not “all in.”

            Until the football coach is allowed to control athletic department (and, to some extent, university) policy independently, Georgia is not “all in.”

            What Georgia is attempting to do is to emulate Alabama without changing a number of foundational components of the culture surrounding the football program. And that is impossible. What separates Alabama from nearly everyone else is that the football program DICTATES the surrounding culture. I’d like to see at least a little more of that in Athens, but it’s just not going to happen.

            So we’ll have to be satisfied with whatever football success is possible in spite of overzealous local law enforcement, a self-defeatingly strict internal discipline policy, and an ambivalent state government/Board of Regents whose goals often do not align with football success.

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            • What Georgia is attempting to do is to emulate Alabama without changing a number of foundational components of the culture surrounding the football program. And that is impossible. What separates Alabama from nearly everyone else is that the football program DICTATES the surrounding culture. I’d like to see at least a little more of that in Athens, but it’s just not going to happen.

              This is exactly what I’m saying about trying to out-Bama Bama. It’s just not going to happen in Athens given all the other structural components already entrenched. I’m absolutely with you that I would like to see a little progress on this front, but I also don’t want my alma mater to be like Alabama where football wags the entire University. If that means my alma mater foregoes a few crystal football displays in Wal-Marts, I can live with that.

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              • ugadawgguy

                I think there’s a balance to be struck — a happy medium to be reached.

                But right now, in this regard, the culture around Georgia football is VERY far away from the likes of Alabama…or Auburn, Arkansas, Tennessee, South Carolina, Florida, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, LSU, and virtually all of the rest of the conference.

                Or put it this way: let’s put SEC programs on a scale of 1 (no cultural/community/institutional/local police/state legislature support for the football program) to 10 (the entire state and community are completely in the football program’s pocket). Alabama’s a 10. Most of the programs in the league are between about a 6 and an 8. Georgia’s around a 5.

                I’d just like to see Georgia move to the middle of the SEC on that scale — to a solid 7, at least. And I am not hopeful that that would ever be allowed to happen, regardless of the head coach’s wishes.

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                • DawgPhan

                  There is no balance to strike if you are going to try and out bama bama.

                  We are going to try and run the same defense, the same offense, and recruit the same players. Except Kirby thinks he can out recruit Bama (Hint: he cant), except that no one has out recruited bama since saban stepped on campus and got it rolling.

                  So that leaves UGA trying to play similar offense and defense with lesser players. How does that formula beat Alabama? (Another hint: It doesnt).

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                • ugadawgguy

                  Yeah, what you’re describing is honestly a pretty good approximation of what I expect to see in the next few years at Georgia. Without that fundamental, total support from the surrounding culture, imitating parts of what Alabama does simply won’t work.

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                • That’s where my head is as well. I think Kirby can be an excellent head coach, but we as fans need to realize that just because he’s running the Bama playbook step-by-step doesn’t mean he’s going to any more successful than the previous guy. I think if he’s adaptable and is willing to get innovative like the Briles’, Malzahn’s, and Herman’s of the world – we’ll be just fine. I just don’t hold high hopes for any greater success by trying to beat Bama at their own game.

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              • @Audit: agree with this completely. As a resident of Alabama I do not want UGA to be like Bama is. There is a time to emulate and a time to be a whore to football. I will settle for the former. However, I do believe some fans and the $$$$ fellows do not feel that way. Some of the comments on here and other sites support that latter view. Bring that trophy and screw everything else. I would rather emulate Stanford. Yeah, I know I am dreaming.

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                • Debby Balcer

                  I agree too when we feel that winning at any cost is the goal we have lost me. There are costs that are too high.

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                • Bazooka Joe

                  Agree… we really dont want to “be like Bama”. Not only do we not want to be like them, it will never happen anyway as UGA will never give any head coach the power that Saban has in Tuscaloosa.

                  Not trying to sound elitist or anything (and I know thats exactly how it sounds…) but we are better than that.

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        • ugadawgguy

          Richt didn’t require much patience: he won the SEC in his second year. He didn’t need 3-4 years.

          I’m not a Richt apologist — just pointing out that the precedent has been set, and your fears are well-founded. The people who make these decisions at Georgia aren’t going to give Kirby the length of his first contract to win the SEC. If he doesn’t do it quickly, they’ll can him, and thus begins our program’s journey through the outback (no pun intended).

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          • Russ

            Good point about Richt. He did win early and often, but I guess the “funk” came later.

            Not wanting to rehash all the details, though I think it’s safe to say that firing a coach that is winning nearly 10 games a year means the powers that be are expecting more, and fairly soon.

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        • Tim In Sav

          Georgia has never been a ‘trigger happy” program, ya’ll may disagree with me but I think Jim Donnan was a fine football coach and he WOULD have won a couple of natl championships by now.

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      • Otto

        The Alums that homered the AD hire getting the UGA man linked to a program that did well in the Directors Cup?

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    • Jared S.

      I understand your apprehension. Only time will tell. I am also suspicious of trying to clone anything from Alabama, let a lone at UGA. I would say, however, that I’m cautiously optimistic. Overall, I’ve been impressed and pleased with Smart’s demeanor. And I really, really like his coaching hires for the express reason that he seems to have chosen who he’s comfortable with and who he likes, not who he was “expected” to hire. That speaks volumes to me.

      I expect we may finish 9-4 this season, with a bowl victory. If we do I’d be thrilled. But I won’t be crushed if we end up, say, 8-5 with a bowl loss. I think a scenario like that is probably be more likely. In any event, if we finish over .500 with all the upheaval and look pretty competitive in our losses without too many head-scratching/WTF moments I’ll be happy. I think it’s totally unreasonable for anyone to expect UGA to win the east. Could it happen? Sure. Anything’s possible. But the chance of any program winning the SEC East with almost a completely new coaching staff is almost ZERO.

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      • Derek

        I can find only one example in the last five months of a team winning the sec east with a new coaching staff. The deck is definitely stacked against us.

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        • Jared S.

          Well, I said “almost” zero. Haha

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          • Derek

            Lester won the west in his first year too. It can be done. Kirby has an easier path than most have as first year sec coaches. There are some roster issues to be sure, but the competition is manageable. If we win 2 of 3 vs. ole miss, UT and UF, we’ll be right there. The interesting thing to me is whether Kirby will be focused on winning immediately or laying a foundation, creating an identity and building towards year two. Saban would be doing the latter. I’m interested to see what Kirby chooses to do. Especially on defense. If he wants to play the same style that Alabama has been playing, there will be times where things will look very ugly.

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            • The Mad Hatter also came to Red Stick with head coaching experience.

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              • Derek

                As did Jim. Not sure that’s as outcome determinative as the strength of your roster relative to your opponents. Les won with Saban’s roster in a relatively weak west. Jim won a pitiful east that looks only slightly stronger in 2016.

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                • dawgtired

                  “slightly stronger in 2016”

                  Yeah, UF and UT appear to be up a little. USC and Mizzu are down. UK and Vandy about the same. UGA?

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                • Derek

                  Tell me how healthy Nick is, who our QB is and how our defensive line comes together and I’ll venture a guess. Right now worse, better and about the same are all distinct possibilities.

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                • ugadawgguy

                  Given that your second sentence is objectively true, my expectation is “about the same.” It’s right down the middle of the possible outcomes.

                  And man, I expect a whole lot of insanity from a large portion of the fan base — the portion who thought Richt was holding back Georgia from its birthright (12-plus-win seasons, multiple national titles, etc.) — if that happens.

                  Those people are going to lose their minds if Georgia wins “only” nine games this coming season, even if Georgia’s all-time win percentage is around 66% (including the inflation provided by Richt’s tenure).

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                • The Mad Hatter did have P5 head coaching experience and clearly had a full cupboard. McElwain had the CSU experience but didn’t inherit a good team offensively.

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            • sniffer

              Why are the two mutually exclusive?

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      • Jeff Sanchez

        Really? I’d be absolutely pissed if we finished 8-5. That would be ridiculous

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        • Just Chuck (The Other One)

          8-5 is a possibility and won’t surprise me if it happens. New coordinators with new terminology and new systems on both sides of the ball. How long will it take for our guys to absorb this? I can see losing some games early on while the guys get up to speed.

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      • dawgtired

        I will be disappointed if we only win 8 or 9 games with this schedule.

        And…”And I really, really like his coaching hires for the express reason that he seems to have chosen who he’s comfortable with and who he likes”

        I thought hiring/retaining people he “liked” or was “comfortable with” was one of CMR’s downfalls.

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        • Dog in Fla

          I thought hiring/retaining people who were in your wedding was one of CMR’s downfalls, which I predict will be nowhere nearly as popular as Downfall Hitler

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    • ugadawgguy

      I feel the same way.

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    • I’m with you, Dolly. I’m rooting like hell for Kirby to succeed because he is now the coach of my alma mater. However, I just don’t believe you can out-Bama Bama as long as Saban is leading that ship and it seems a fools errand to try to replicate it. The decision also doesn’t bother me that much (the people that act like they won something because of it are a whole other story), but if we were really interested in going a different direction I wish we’d gone out and got our Art Briles or somebody like that. I just see no value in trying to replicate the exact way Alabama does things.

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      • DawgPhan

        Or think about that chip kelly could have been available.

        sure he might not have come to athens or might not want to be a college coach again, but could you imagine having Kelly in Athens?

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    • charlottedawg

      Yeah I can totally see Kirby being a major bust as well. But even if he sucks as a head coach i think he’s probably always going to be an ace recruiter even if he was on the seat which means if Kirby gets fired a)the next coach probably still inherits a bunch of talent and b) mcgarity most likely gets fired as well (hopefully in complete disgrace, with no press conference just a tweet from the athletic department and a subsequent final whiny bitch interview with Bradley )

      I know this sounds like a complete homer but we’re the flagship school for a state the rest of the conference and country mines for talent. If We wander the wilderness it’ll look a lot more like Florida or USC as opposed to Tennessee or Nebraska where eventually the right coach will put the program on top simply due to our inherent advantages

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    • @gatriguy

      IMO, the only way that happens is if the group that didn’t want Richt gone lose their shit the first time Kirby loses a game. The simple fact is that Richt was done winning SEC titles in the current landscape. It’s going to take Kirby a while to get there, but he needs to be measures versus where we could realistically imagine the program being under Richt.

      Give him a few years, especially to change the “good enough is good enough” culture that had been cultivated. Attention to detail and preparation take time to develop.

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      • @gatriguy:I agree with you, but as stated earlier a vocal and loud part of the fan base does not. A few years. For that base no way. As some people have posted , Richt was the only thing keeping UGA from it’s rightful place—-the new Bama. A 8-5 season or 9-4 this year and they will be ballistic. Shit hits the fan.

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        • I Wanna Red Cup

          Well, if CMR was still here and went 8-5 or 9-4 if you go ballistic over that then it is fair game to react the same if we do that under CKS.

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  7. Jared S.

    I would have shown them the most famous Alonzo video of all time instead.

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  8. PTC DAWG

    Maybe, just maybe, CMR had something to do with the “Georgia Way”…we shall see.

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    • SAtowndawg

      Pretty sure MR had nothing to do with throwing AJ and Gurley under the bus…that’s all on the AD

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    • dawgtired

      The “Georgia Way” was in place prior to CMR but I suspect that Richt’s passive-good-guy demeanor enabled the “Georgia Way” to continue with no speed bumps to deter it. Kirby just isn’t making this easy on them. Most likely he has made it plain, that if they fired a 10-win man and hired him to bring championships…then they have to get out of his way and let him create a process that will do just that…

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      • @gatriguy

        The Georgia Way didn’t lead to 68 scholarship players in 2012 and a decade of repeated disastrous special team fuck ups. Richt’s inattention to detail and bullheadedness did. No amount of bitching about Adams or Evans or McG or anyone else is going to change the fact that Richt sank himself.

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        • dawgtired

          I don’t think anyone here thinks that ‘The Georgia Way” includes roster management and special team efficiency. But I appreciate the clarity you bring. If I understand correctly the “GAWaY” is about loosening the purse strings for support hires and infrastructure…and tight drug rules and the like. I’m sure CMR supported the drug rules but I’m betting he would have welcomed more money spent on additional support staff and such.

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        • Jeff Sanchez

          In a way it did….we don’t (and shouldn’t) oversign

          But that’s not to excuse CMR from poor management also

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      • PTC DAWG

        My point exactly. Like I said, we shall see.

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  9. I see a lot of “analyst” in this blog topic here touting the media idea that a new HC can never win an SEC championship let alone win the SEC East. That is what you call negative thinking if not a safe bet and a losing formula. If a team or HC start a season with that idea then one will truly not win anything of much significance nor break the glass ceiling as they say. Just being unrealistic here, LOL.

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    • Therefore, let’s win it all. Go Dawgs.

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      • Russ

        Oh, I’m sure by this fall, I’ll have convinced myself how we can win each game and go to the playoffs. I’ve done it every year since about 1980 so why stop now?

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        • Just Chuck (The Other One)

          Me too. I start every fall believing we will win them all. But then, I’m not really surprised when we don’t.

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          • Russ

            “I’m not really surprised when we don’t.”

            It took me many more years to get to this point but I’m there now. It makes my wife a lot happier with me when we lose.

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  10. Hogbody Spradlin

    So far Kirby seems to be the kind of fanatic who works 25/8 who you want as a football coach. Manic work habits are a somewhat necessary but not sufficient condition for a successful coach in the SEC.

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  11. Dylan Dreyer's Booty

    I think all y’all that buy the “out-Alabama, Alabama” meme are letting the journalists who started it lead you around by the nose. Granted, Feldman and Mandel are better than your average AJC hack, but they are both still just creating a meme to get clicks.

    In fact, Kirby doesn’t have to “out-Alabama, Alabama”. He may well be taking things he learned while he was there and using them at UGA, but he can do whatever he thinks will work. He doesn’t have to consistently win championships, at least not initially. The only thing he has to do – at least the first couple of years – is make us relevant in the national football discussion commensurate with the talent that we have available. I think he can do that. This year.

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    • Dog in Fla

      Some say that to be the Bear, you’ve got to beat the Bear.
      Some say he’s the Revenant who can make us relevant

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    • Bulldog Joe

      Agree. The ‘out-Alabama’ meme better fits Ole Miss and Tennessee, who are both well on their way to being there.

      Both programs are already aligned with The Process in the number of players they recruit and cull from the program, the COA and other competitive ‘benefits’ they provide, the cover they provide their players from a disciplinary and eligibility perspective, and the amount of support they receive through their boosters.

      Even with Kirby, I don’t see these things happening in Athens. He will have to create and leverage other advantages to counter these built-in competitive disadvantages.

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  12. DawgPhan

    been on the you can’t bama bama thing since day one. I didnt get there because of any sports writer, I got there because it is obvious.

    You can’t make up the experience. They are on the bleeding edge of being bama. Even if we get to the cutting edge of being bama we are still going to be behind. Right now we are probably trailing edge bama.

    UGA needs to drop probably $100 million into sports over then next 2 years just to get to cutting edge bama and everyday that we dont make that investment the number grows bigger. Being Bama is an exponential curve.

    We need to define our own way, innovate our way to the top. You can’t copy your way to the top.

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  13. Bingo. We can be competitive, but we will never equal Bama. At least not while Saban is there.

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    • Tim In Sav

      THAT’S the attitude that is holding us back. We can’t….We can’t. Tell me why we can’t, great school, great campus, good football tradition and the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country. I call BS that We CAN’T do it.

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      • Not saying we can’t beat Bama. Hell, we should have beat them in 2012. I am saying we are not going to win 4 NC’s in 7 years, or have a roster as deep as Bama. If Bama split their team up they could put 2 teams in the playoffs this year. So fuck Bama, I will be happy to win 1 NC every 10 years.

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    • 92 grad

      Nah, it’s bigger than that. Kirby is working towards putting a good football team together where the end goal is to play good football. Whether or not it is better than bama doesn’t fall into the equation. They don’t play an opponent, they focus on playing the sport and the opponent just happens to be there.

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  14. Debby Balcer

    The thing some of you forget is that Bama is fallable and there is more than one way to achieve a goal. We need to support Kirby leading lije Kirby and not expect a Kirby clone.

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  15. ASEF

    Lot of either/or posts today. It’s not an either/or situation.

    Kirby isn’t trying to out-Bama Saban. He’s trying to build a better mousetrap than the one that sent Richt to Miami. I haven’t heard anything out of Kirby that I haven’t heard out of any CEO hired to replace someone who did not leave voluntarily.

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  16. Bulldog Joe

    Note in this millennium, NO one has attempted to clone The Georgia Way.

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  17. Macallanlover

    I think Aaron Murray would be the perfect QB for just about any team in America, especially one that runs the offense KS says he prefers. Now finding, and developing him, is massive job. In 100+ years, we have found one, the original AM. And we still have fans who rip him, KS will have to get used to this unique type of fan.

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