“Just have people sit no matter what.”

Behold what passes as concern for the student-athlete.  (h/t)

Another mid-major head coach, who lost one of his best players to a BCS school this past offseason, told ESPN he would be “slowing down the graduating process” for his players in order to ensure that he doesn’t lose another to the high-major ranks.

When asked to elaborate specifically on what “slowing down the graduating process” would entail, he said instead of enrolling a player into a pair of summer school classes in two sessions, they might not have that particular player take summer school at all — or take just one class per session. Another prevailing thought is to put players in just the minimum 12 hours of classes each semester.

“What kid is going to argue and want to take more classes?” one mid-major coach said. “There aren’t many.”

The problem with your cynicism, fella, is that the kids who want to make use of the flexibility of the graduate transfer rule are exactly the ones who are going to want to take more classes. Which should lead to some amusing conversations down the road, to say the least.

The problem in a nutshell is this:

“I think that would penalize the kid,” North Carolina’s Roy Williams said. “Let’s face it: This is a great rule for the kids and a terrible one for the coaches that lose these kids. In principle, it’s OK. But it’s not very good for college basketball.”

Translation — when the going gets tough, coaches would prefer to screw principle.

There is a legitimate concern here, that of coaches actively engaged in chasing players at other programs.  But there’s an obvious tell, as well.  Note that all the proposals being tossed out involve penalizing graduate players by limiting their opportunities.  If the real problem is poaching, why not simply punish the coaches doing that?



Filed under Georgia Football, The NCAA

16 responses to ““Just have people sit no matter what.”

  1. 92 grad

    The amateur version of free agency, clearly it needs to be controlled because we can’t have a loophole where the athlete has all the power and the coaches and ncaa don’t. Gotta love it.

    How is it any different than a random student in the business school graduating early so that they can land a TA position at a powerhouse law school somewhere else? Or, a scholarship music student graduating early so they can go to grad school at northwestern?

  2. Scrambledawg

    Roy, what’s good for college basketball left the room over 2 decades ago.

    A top 10 program is nothing more than a 6 mo heating lamp to keep the top HS Srs warm for the NBA.

    Because I grew up loving the sport, I’ll still tune in for March Madness. And because I love my dawgs, I’ll watch them whenever they’re on the tube. But let’s not pretend there’s much of anything “good” about college hoops anymore.

    • gastr1

      Yet, Brain Injury Ball is so much better for everyone involved. Gotcha.

    • gastr1

      Should have thought of this before the previous post, but really…it appears you’re complaining about players doing what is their frigging right, i.e., leaving early for the NBA to make as much money as they can in an incredibly small window of time– the same thing these coaches are bitching about, that student-athletes consider their own interests ad careers more than the sanctity of their “programs” or the careers of their coaches. Rich.

  3. Wow, talking about the Trumpanian Philosophy, LOL.

  4. ASEF

    At least Roy is admitting the rule is great for kids. I think Roy’s point us that college basketball has much smaller rosters and scholarship allocations. Losing a senior off a basketball team can blow a massive hole in years of recruiting and development. So, the impact of the rule is much larger in college basketball than college football.

    UNC almost won a national championship last year with no 1-and-dines and a three time Academic All American running the show. There’s still a lot to like in college basketball.

    • Connor

      So what? Kids can be dumped from scholarships without mercy, blowing a massive hole in their actual life. Making a multi-millionaire’s job marginally easier at the expense of unpaid teenagers is appalling.

      • gastr1

        +1. Right on, Connor.

      • ASEF

        Um, where did I say the transfer rule was bad? I explained why Roy meant by “bad for college basketball.” He’s not saying the transfer option should go, and neither am I. He’s noting that the transfer rule has some downsides for the kids and those left behind, which would include teammates and fans. Undeniably true.

        That’s the problem with these “Get Mad” posts. People lose their ability to read or even think outside the, “But I wanna be mad, so let’s have this conversation only in shades of black and white” frame.

        I see kids transferring high schools all over the place here. It usually doesn’t work out for the kid any better, and sometimes it goes horribly wrong. It’s occasionally beneficial for the receiving coach and program.

        The right to move can’t be argued. But the benefits can be badly overstated. Which doesn’t justify coaches stepping on a kid:s right to move. Happy?

        UNC had a PG walk out on the team in Feb to transfer to UCLA over losing his starting gig. When UNCs PG went down in the NCAA tournament, it had no backup. Arguably, that transfer lost a shot at leading his team to a national title. He did “meh” at UCLA and now plays overseas – and he’s forever the kid who walked out on his team.

        Just because the media doesn’t play up those stories doesn’t mean they are nit happening.

        • gastr1

          You’re apparently missing the point that has been made several times– that coaches, who have significantly more media leverage than players, always make it sound as though the players are harmed by having choices when it’s really their own well-paid keisters they’re concerned about. The UNC transfer may have regrets, who knows, but I bet having the ability to leave in that situation is not one of them. Having the freedom to choose your own destiny, that’s a funny kind of “harm.”

          • ASEF

            And you are missing the point, made several times: yes, “freedom to choose” as a principle supercedes “non-freedom to choose” 100 times out of 100, but limiting the discussion of transfers exclusive to that binary is as ridiculous as its opposite position, banning transfers altogether.

  5. South FL Dawg

    Well, don’t shoot me but this reminded me of Jan Kemp. She got a lot of grief but she was speaking the truth; at the time we offered remedial courses that were mostly taken by athletes and didn’t even qualify for degree credit. That was before the NCAA had the rules in place that they have today requiring a certain number of credit hours towards a degree in order to stay eligible.

    Another thing….I’ve had a couple of friends over the years tell me that their kids who played sports in college were steered into easier majors. One of them was a women’s volleyball player at LSU…not even a revenue sport.

    All this is to say that coaches being selfish, while it turns me off, is nothing new and I think athletes need to take responsibility for knowing what they need to accomplish in order to graduate. Take ownership. It’s sad but understand that to the coaches it’s a business.

    • ASEF

      My son, a 15 year old 3 sport varsity athlete, overheard by his mother the other day:

      “Why would I want to go to college to play sports? You have no life. They own you. If you’re going pro, ok. I’d do it for my parents, but only because college is so expensive.”

      Kind of sums up all the conflicts, doesn’t it?

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