So, we’ve reached the point where what was once a joking matter — Georgia being bowl ineligible for the first time in twenty years — is uncomfortably close to becoming a reality. We’re being made to re-calibrate our expectations of what Georgia football is about.
I had no idea when Kirby came in to remake the culture of the program, it included me. But after ten years of blogging, that’s where I find myself.
Ten years of this, and for the first time ever I’m not even angry over a(nother) disappointing loss. Instead, I’m simply disinterested in how the rest of the 2016 season plays out. I’m running on empty; player development and recruiting rankings are a poor substitute for the product on the field. Go figure.
It’s too early for a postmortem about Kirby’s first season, so all that’s left is getting together with friends for a few more Saturdays to enjoy each other’s company. Beyond that, I got nothin’.
Apologies in advance if I seem a bit detached for the next couple of months.
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We can all dream about being a fly on the wall in McGoofys, Boneheads or the cathartic (athletic) associations offices hearing how they will spin our road to the 2018 National Championship. Perhaps Johnny Griffith is available to comment.
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It’s not working.
The only way this gets fixed is for the Athletic Board to throw Greg a retirement party and hire an AD who wil bring in his own experienced head coach.
Kirby Smart can then get hired by a non-P5 school and get the OJT necessary to become a successful head coach.
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…….se.lah!
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Well said.
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I’m a dawg fan for life, but I spent more time watching the Miami-Notre Dame game yesterday than the Georgia-Florida game. I reached “disinterested” in this season after the loss to Vandy.
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Same with me except it was the Washington-Utah and Baylor-Texas games.
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MD (Dawg fan for life), while the curiosity of watching your former HC was greater than watching your life long school/team, these observations must have been noticed in South Bend: deplorable OL, leads the nation in dropped passes & a defensive line/secondary that leak like a sive….ironic that those characteristics are common in both Coral Gables and Athens? I say no.
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I agree, I wouldn’t call it ironic. While you could make a case to lay all of UGA’s woes at Richt’s feet, I don’t know that you could do the same with Miami given that he’s in his first year there. If anything, the common thread is coach Coley, who was OC/QB coach at Miami before being the WRs coach at UGA. Maybe the dropsies are an infectious disease, and Coley’s the carrier?
In any case, my disinterest in this year’s Georgia team stems from failure to achieve the goals I wanted them to. A criticism of Richt was that he had sufficient talent to win championships and underachieved with it, so I’d hoped to see Kirby at least maintain the same win-loss record. As of now, it’s mathematically impossible to reach 10 wins, and seems unlikely that we will reach 9. I would’ve liked to see us quit setting what I call “negative records”, such as giving a coach his first SEC road win (Derek Mason at Vanderbilt) or being held to the lowest total rushing yards against Florida since the 1930s. Apparently even that hope was too high.
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I didn’t realize the guys on the offensive line were a bunch of Trump supporters. 🙂
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This is so ridiculous. Richt’s Georgia receivers were not drop prone, neither were the defenses chronically bad. The OL have been a weakness, but mostly only the last few years, and even then our tailbacks were crushing it.
You can’t give CKS all the excuses for it being his first year with a new team and not extend them to Richt. Sheesh.
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Yeah, but what did Richt get at the U and what did Smart get upon arriving at UGA?
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Senator, I reached that same point earlier this season after several years of ongoing disappointment and having more and more of my money sucked out by the Athletic Department with less and less enjoyment. During the Vandy game, my family and friends noted how calm I was after the loss and that in past years, I’d have been pissed for days. I’ve reached the point of indifference, which should be extremely scary for McGarity, etal.
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“The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference.” –Elie Wiesel
That has to be potentially terrifying for the UGA athletics establishment.
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I’d argue apathy is something they were trying to cut off at the pass last year when there were 35,000 GSU fans in Sanford.
Obviously, we’re right back there.
Bad offensive football is tough to watch. We just can’t score.
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I would agree … the problem is once apathy sets in, you have to work hard to get it out. All Kirby has done is say trust me and stay the course.
Bad football is tough to watch. This team with some exceptions has gotten worse as the season has progressed. That’s not a good place to be if your job is to improve. People don’t pay the money and use their time to watch a rebuild that may or may not work out.
The program is not in a good place right now and hasn’t been for the last 24 months.
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Yeah, no argument. I’m staying the course because I’m in it for the long haul. But these last 2 years of not being able to score is tough.
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Last years point average would have been enough to beat Florida. And Vandy. But carry on.
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Last year’s team scored 9 against Missouri and 3 against Florida. Spare me. The offense this year is awful. The offense last year is whatever half a step up from awful is. Terribad?
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I’m with y’all. I used up my last bit of patience pulling for a coach I loved and wanted to see win at UGA more than anything, and while I accepted that it was time to move on after we did, I didn’t expect to be watching miserable, boring, losing football this season.
If the team was showing improvement or losing in exciting ways (Tennessee doesn’t count; they just lost to Carolina. Also, that beatdown in Oxford looks worse every week), I could live with it. This team isn’t exciting; they’re bad.
I’ve got two young kids and a busy weekends, and I’m not carving out any more time for this football team until the coaching staff starts getting some improvement out of them. At this point, though, I don’t think that’s happening. The most we can hope for is that Chubb and Michel both get out of here with no injuries and they go on and get paid in the NFL so we can hold up yet another bit of blown potential as part of The Georgia Way.
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Look at the bright side.The program has not been in a good place for the last 5 years. Think Richt would be doing substantially better with this material? I doubt it. If things do not improve substantially next year, Smart will have to get rid of Cheney. He does not have the “Willy Martinez” factor in his favor. Next year Bobo will be canned and Smart can hire him. Every Dawg fan will be happy and that hiring may give Smart an extra year. Happy times are here again.
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I don’t think we would have lost to Vandy, but we may not have beaten North Carolina with Richt. I’m not going to get into the “what if” scenarios because I don’t think it’s productive.
I would be totally on board if Kirby and Mike were leading the program. I didn’t like the Chaney hire from day 1 and the effect of that hire seems to have bled through the entire offensive staff.
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B-M was happy to take the Georgia Southern fans’ money for the sellout.
It’s all the same to them.
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No, most of those GSU fans were sitting in Georgia season ticket seats.
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I think detachment is the most apropos thing I have heard in weeks. Excellent capture of what many of us feel.
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What player development do you speak of? They’ve all gotten worse and to top it off they dont look interested…no enthusiasm…seems as if the head man has lost his team eight games in..
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Ditto. That was the happiest I’ve been leaving the Gator Bowl. Or perhaps I should say “least sad”.
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I’ve reached the exact same point, Senator. The good news is I’ve rediscovered a bunch of t-shirts in my closet that I don’t normally wear on weekends.
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Coach Donnan’s and Coach Goff’s first seasons were like this one.
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That’s really encouraging! In another words we have only 12-14 years before get a competent coaching staff. Heaven can wait!
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Not like Donnan’s. 1996 record wasn’t good but there were signs of improvement throughout the season and a late season big win over an arch rival on the road (Auburn in OT). Donna was installing an entirely different O scheme and had no SEC much less UGA experience.
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True, but he had head coaching experience, an upperclassman at QB, and recruited well, despite his late start.
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No, Goff beat Florida (and Tech) in his first season. And Donnan beat Tech and a pretty solid Auburn team. Technically Smart could beat Auburn and Tech, but who thinks that’s going to happen now?
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Senator, while I will always pull for my beloved DAWGS this particular team is hard to watch. I expect more as a fan. I see little improvement in most of the offence. I get the feeling the players are not the only ones on the field not knowing what is going on, coaching appears inept too. Like I said this team is hard to watch. I hear the Basketball team will be good this year. Yawn.
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Hot garbage. I am looking ahead to next year.
I do believe this staff is stubborn to the point of cutting thier nose off to spite thier face. We are on pace to be the worst team since 1993. That is saying a lot.
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I can’t believe they would be doing this, but it almost looks as though they want to demonstrate to everyone–including the players themselves–that they don’t have the right personnel, as if to prepare the whole team for getting fired, so to speak.
Certainly the whole OL and kicking game need to be dismissed.
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I agree with you but why then are Kirby’s OL recruits not whipping these older players in practice to the point they crack the starting line up? At this point in the season, they should have enough practice time to make an impact. The fact they are not is a scary prospect for the future.
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Agreed. Holding up that mirror is looking at one scary windmill.
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Apathy has set in for most of the fanbase. The offense is a complete joke and the effort is slack at best.
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Effort by players? I don’t see that. I thought they played hard.
Effort by Chaney? Perhaps. But, and I mean this with 100% honesty: I think at this point Chaney and Kirby just want to keep Eason from getting killed.
I think it’s going past the point I’d bring stubborn to the point of trying to not get him plastered from behind.
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They better sit Eason against Aubuurn then because Lawson is going to “plaster” him
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Agree about the apathy, but disagree with the lack of effort. I thought the players played hard for the entire game and many left it all on the field against a better team. The defense played well enough for us to win, but coaching and play calling/preparation again seemed to be lacking especially on offense.
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I’ll probably watch the game Saturday night only to see if the season falls into an abyss I thought I would never see again … 1990 (my last football season in Athens). I’ll go to Athens to watch the Auburn game to see if somehow we put together a 2006 type of game but am already prepared to for an epic beat down if Gus wants to do it. I’ve already given my tickets away to a friend for the last two games due to family commitments and now sort of glad I have.
This team desperately needs to get to 6 wins not just to keep the bowl streak alive but to get the extra practices for the underclassmen.
I don’t know if Kirby has lost the team. He certainly hasn’t seemed to have lost the defense. They went out there time and time again after 3 and outs and crappy punts to keep the game close. I think they have lost the team on offense. When you’re told consistently how badly you suck by your leadership, eventually, it wears on you. I saw Nick on the sidelines a couple of times on TV, and it looked like the young man was thinking, “I worked my @$$ off to come back for this?”
We’re in for a long, cold winter of discontent in northeast Georgia.
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It doesn’t appear that Kirby ever had the team.
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Welcome to my world, I am afraid the team will follow if it has not already (disinterest). It sort of reminds me of the ’94 season when the team just gave up (Vandy-homecoming). “Leaders are born not made”……Oh well, basketball season is coming soon……
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We have recruiting, spring practice, G day game(96,000 again), our schedule next year will have only schools with Carolina on their letterhead, new margarita machine installed at the tiki hut….might even get a new 65 inch LCD at the hut on the Big guys birthday! The process has spoken! GO DAWGS!
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Thanks for your blogs Senator. I enjoyed it. I’m taking an earlier than usual winter hibernation. I do not know when I would like to wake up from a better dream than this horrifying reality of Georgia football season.
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I’m at the same place. I was driving home when the game started and felt the juice start flowing when Scott Howard called the interception. I’m bouncing down the road, but by the time I pull in the driveway, UGA had “regressed to the mean” and settled for a field goal and it was down hill from there.
I don’t have anything left this year. The idea that we would get better kept me engaged but thats gone. I may lurk a bit, but probably not. I like y’all, but we got nothin left to say that hasn’t been said. As Cubs fans always say, “wait till next year!”
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Labors of love are hard when the love ain’t there.
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I hate so much that I was wrong in my thinking that Nicholls was a “blip” on the radar for 2016. This isn’t underachieving. This squad is really that “not good.” Went looking in the annals for a 4 win (only) season…man, I was drunker than I thought in 1990! Don’t remember being this faithless back then, for sure. 2018, we for art thou!?!
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Well, I hate to draw too many comparisons.. but look what Muschamp did with less talent last night.
As for this year, my apathy is squarely in place, and I think this malaise extends from what we saw last couple of years.. so Kirby is the unfortunate recipient of a fanbase that has extended goodwill for a long time to the previous coach. We’re not patient any longer, and perhaps he deserves more time.. but it’s hard to give that when we see puzzling play on the field and suspect play calling. I’ll give Kirby this year, no matter how bad. But I have to say, it’s hard to see how we’re building toward a better team next year.
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Not to mention what McLewain did last year with an even worse offensive line than we have. Another reader posted in one of the other threads some excellent observations about the coaching job CJM did last year vs. our current situation.
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Not sure you can say his oline last year was worse. They didn’t have to bring in a transfer like Catalina. Also their defense continues to be elite thanks to Mushchamp’s recruits, not McLewain. But I get your point.
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All good points, and I guess my frustration is, why are we not trying different things to accommodate it? People that know X’s and O’s a lot better than I do have been scratching their heads. Chaney is a good offensive mind, just based on his history alone. Is Kirby overriding him or is it really just not possible to create something with this O line. I tend to give coaches much more of the benefit of the doubt, because I don’t know what it’s like to do their job. It’s easy to say ‘why don’t you try this or that?”. Like I’ve said, I’ll give the team this year, but it’s hard to see how we’re making progress toward getting this team to gel for next year.
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I don’t think Chaney is great at trying to scheme around his numerous deficiencies in talent but honestly I think we have the worst OL in the SEC. I was in favor of canning MR.
I don’t think Schitty or a new OC could have done much better with this group. I’m not giving up on KS yet but he damn well better be on the trail of a lot of linemen. I wouldn’t be sad if he replaced Chaney and Beamer.
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Chaney hasn’t done anything of note since Drew Brees left West Lafayette for San Diego.
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I think you’re right
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Everybody said Chaney was known, even renowned at his ability to coach and scheme to his players talents. Guess he pulled the wool over their eyes.
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Out-schemed it seems. Concerned the 1st half of the Nicholls game, been moving toward “alarmed” ever sense. It is like he has no answer, not a single idea. Kirby needs to demand something new that works, or pull the plug.
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I’ve been thinking that the reason Kirby hired Chaney was that he really wanted Pittman. That’s all I got.
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Chaney was the 2nd option after Dan Enos wasn’t allowed to interview because Bert put a non-SEC clause in his contract. Who knows if Pittman still comes with Enos, but Chaney damn sure wasn’t Kirby’s first choice.
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UF’s o-line last year was so bad they had to cancel the spring game due to not having enough lineman. I think 60% of his lineman on the fall roster were true freshman. At least our LT has 3-4 yrs of college football experience. The big difference was Muschamp left him a ton of talent on defense and McLewain was an OC, so he and Nusbaum tried to scheme around their problems. That will only get you so far as they found out down the stretch, but he got the most out of the players on hand.
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Yep. Three of the five Florida starters last year were true freshman. And another was a transfer from a 1-AA school. Shoot, McElwain lost his starting QB and had to start one that makes Luke Del Rio look like Tom Brady. Yet he won the SEC East. That is an accomplishment, even as poor as the division was last year. This year it is also a bit of a dumpster fire. But some team has to win it.
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McElwain also had head coaching experience. Don’t forge that part.
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They brought in a transfer from Furman, which is a bit better than Rhode Island, but still was a Div1AA school.
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I have been thinking a lot about this question of why my excitement level is lower. Part of it is whether you liked his coaching or not, CMR and to some degree CMB were like well-worn shoes, and if they were not expensive shoes they were comfortable and our favorite pair.
I was invested in the success of the program as always but I was also rooting for these nice guys and the mostly decent kids they seemed to surround themselves with. Part of it was access to the kids via interviews, feature stories, etc. I got a bit more invested in them because I knew their stories.
With Kirby basically doing his best to tell everyone he couldn’t care less what they think, the mood around the program has changed. They have a bunker mentality, “the process”, etc, and we’re surprised we don’t care more – well, it’s pretty corporate – and not much fun rooting for a corporation going to war vs your school playing football games.
In fairness, last year was joyless in its own way, even before the change. But don’t think it would have stayed that way.
There was a picture in the paper a few years back of Brandon Boykin leaping impossubly high into the air before a game like a frog. CMR was smiling nearby, iirc. They were both simply happy to be out there.
That spirit has been missing from the program for a couple years. I don’t feel quite as invested in these kids or coaches as I did in previous years, regardless of the w-l record, and I think it’s gotten worse under CKS.
Rational or not.
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+1000
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It’s interesting to play the ‘What If’ with CMR, but I don’t really know that we’d be that much better this year. No doubt, we’d be doing better with Richt right now than we’ve done so far, but the big question is are we taking a step back to move farther forward? That’s the difficult question. There is nothing about this ‘process’ so far that makes me feel like we’re building anything on the field. As for the ‘feels’ Winning will cure all ills, and restore joy. I just hope that’s where we’re headed and I just can’t see it.
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As the Halloween party was ongoing for a few, and wrapping up for most at my son’s home last evening, I found myself watching the FSU/CLEMSON game with my grandson. At the age of 12 he had no ideal of the punch to the gut he gave his poppa when he stated that other teams and fans seem to enjoy and have fun at games, while many dawg fans and players seem to want it just to get over. Saddest thing of all is that’s how I’m feeling this morning.
In my 69 years of life, and all of that I can remember a football fan, have I ever seen the life just sucked out of a program like what has happened in Athens. Blame who you want, but the life has left the program at the moment, and it can take many dry years to bring it back. Hope I have enough years left to see it.
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As a fellow 69 year old let me echo your comments. We may not be able to enjoy it when and if it happens.
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Amen
Even when we struggled under CMR, I still watched and rooted for us because he and the kids were worth pulling for. CKS has rubbed me the wrong way from the get go, starting with stinging us along in 2010 and then staying on with Bama after he was hired
So, for the first time that I can remember, I’m not planning my fall Saturday’s around UGA football the next few weeks.
The thought of missing the Tech or Auburn game would have been unfathomable to me just a few years ago, yet here we are.
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Sadly I am in the same place (after 30+years).
It’s just the way it is.
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Hear hear. Well said.
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True. You can be a controlling prick when you win multiple national championships but when you’re setting records for futility that rope gets mighty short.
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Preach. I can at least come here and find some sort of comfort knowing I’m not the only one feeling this way.
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Yep, I feel the same. Was working out while watching the game yesterday. At least I got something productive done. I had a strange feeling the whole game that it would end exactly the way it did. I really wasn’t pissed when the game ended, just sort of “oh well”. We have become Tenn or SC, maybe we will win the East someday and be overjoyed at our success.
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You people constantly complain about all sorts of issues (some that are not even specific to UGA) but when it comes time to put your money where your mouth is, you fall in line like the good little slaves that you are. We here at UGA look forward to receiving your upcoming Hartman Fund donations and ticket orders.
I’m going to partially quote the Rock here. I won’t tell you to “shut your mouth” but I will remind you to “know your role”.
As always, thank you for your support of UGA athletics!
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+1
If you really want things to change, stop giving UGA money. Stop buying merchandise and stop making donations.
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One of the first things CKS said after evaluating this team was that the O line was a problem. Most people yawned. He was right on. Against a decent defensive front 7, they can neither run nor pass block. Until that problem is resolved (2 or more years?), the Dawgs won’t compete against the big boys. He’s working on it, and I think he will field strong teams in the near future. The other concern I have is his stance on not giving scholarships to kickers. The punting is very poor, and the placekicking highly questionable. He needs to revisit that thought process in my opinion.
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VERY POSSIBLE that we lose to our “Big 4” rivals AND Vandy AND KY.
—when was the last time that happened?
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In 15 years, the absolute worst that Richt ever did was 2-2. Because he was a f*cking good coach. The fanbase forgot what true mediocrity looked like, so we fired him. Now we’d be thrilled to have mediocrity. What a difference a year makes.
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Richt was terrible over the past several years against any team with a pulse. I believe the record was 5-17 in his last 22 games against SEC teams with an above .500 record in conference. It was time for him to go. That said, it was just plain stupid not to do an extensive search and just hire a guy who has been a lifetime assistant just because he’s a Georgia boy and he worked for Saban. This article summarizes it well: http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/georgias-loss-to-florida-is-more-evidence-of-regression-under-kirby-smart-102916
Say what you will about our roster deficiencies in certain areas, but that doesn’t excuse the poor job Kirby and his staff have done utiliziing the talent we do have, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Chaney’s play calling has been awful – two runs up the middle and then make Eason a sitting duck in obvious 3rd down passing situations. Our formations give away what we are doing most of the time.
Bainbridge Bubba has shown that he’s good at one thing to this point – excuse making. If it doesn’t get a whole better over the next couple of years, McGarity can take the train out of town with him.
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Yeah, Richt had a less than desirable record against ranked teams his last 4 years, but he had great recruiting classes and had us playing in the SECCG during a 3rd of his tenure and in contention for SECCG in many others. I would take that over a do-over of the Goff/Donnan era any day. I agree, if it was really time to say good bye to CMR, then an extension search for a proven head coach should have ensued. I think UGA should have interviewed Herman and Fedora before settling on Smart. I don’t think it was a good hire and this season, with loads of talent, being pushed down the drain is the perfect example as to why.
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Richt had bad streaks against the top 25, and good streaks, just like every good coach in history save a select handful. He lost 25% of his games, why would it be preferable to lose them to bad teams?
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+1000. I guess people are now starting to feel what it was like to be a Dawg fan under Ray Goff. It’s only fitting that CKS has a season that is as fitting of the man who recruited him to Georgia.
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I was a dawg fan when Dooley was the coach
I was a Dawg Fan when Goff was the coach.
I was a Dawg fan when Donnan was the coach.
I was a Dawg fan when Richt was the coach
I am a Dawg fan when Smart is the coach.
I am a Dawg fan.
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And I can’t wait to still be a Dawg fan when the next coach arrives. Hopefully Sooner rather than later.
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I will be Dawg fan then as well
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Our “Big 4” rivals are now Vandy, Ky, Mizzery, and Sakerlina.
We still have an opportunity to have a winning record against them.
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Munson would be ashamed….
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The punter is on full scholarship.
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Both of them. 😉
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The punter is on a full scholarship that was extended by Kirby and his staff. I believe they even flipped him from VT because they thought so highly of him.
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He is, but that was not because of CKS. I believe he has stated that he doesn’t like to give (waste) a scholarship to a kicker. Am I wrong on that?
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He’s a freshman. Smart offered him the scholly.
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Florida was giving out schollys to OL like Halloween candy a couple years ago and they’re about to go to the SECC for the second year in a row.
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I said it above, I’m find giving Kirby this year, no matter how bad it gets, including losing out and no bowl. But next year is a whole different story. My biggest question – is Eason really getting better? Will he be able to hit the field on opening day and be a legitimate weapon.
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I think Eason is improving — I was certain he’d throw at least one terrible pick vs UF’s secondary, and it didn’t happen. Hell, the TD drive was all him improvising really. The problem is the play calling has not improved with him, and I have no idea what Colely does with the WRs but they’ve not improved either.
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THIS +1000
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Nicholls was a decent defensive front? Who knew?
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And the Mizzou rush defense that limited Chubb gave up 377 to Kentucky…
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Yikes.
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We hired the best O-line coach in the country; where’s the improvement? Chaney’s big fat ass is only concerned with vanilla plays. I don’t know what Tucker actually does, if anything. Even Chubb has a screw-it attitude. Only the place kicking seems to be getting better. Receivers can’t catch, and Eason is fighting for his life in every game. I’ll give Kirby his rookie season, but a coordinator and asst. coaching shakeup is needed.
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Actually Tucker and the defense have been more than solid this year. They played well enough to win yesterday. The offense is the dumpster fire worthy of your ire.
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Perhaps I could be described as Georgia Bulldog’s “ride or die” “bottom bitch.” 15-0 or 0-12, I’ll be there. I’ll watch the opening kickoff and the final play. I’ve seen “this one is forever” and home losses to Vandy. I’ve never wavered and will never waver. Bulldog born, bulldog bred and when I die I’ll be bulldog dead. I may get frustrated and I may get disgusted, but to become indifferent? Not gonna happen.
I used to let the losses ruin my life. Now I enjoy the wins and the losses almost never make it to Monday.
I don’t know whether we have a decent future with the current staff or not. It seems to me that we’re getting worse as the year progresses. That could be a result of good coaching taking advantage of a flawed team. Who knows?
I thought firing CMR was short-sighted and risky, but I have no interest in being proved right. I want to be proven badly wrong.
We’ve got a game in Lexington in 6 days. Let’s dust ourselves off and get win number 5.
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Good post. I wish I could say I will carry on with the same level of enthusiasm, but I can’t.
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No reason to be as enthusiastic as if we were in the playoff race. That’s unrealistic. I’m just saying I’m not going to stop caring whether we win or lose the next one.
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Hey, all we gotta do is win out and have about 50 teams or so lose 3 or 4 games to close out the season and we’re in! Don’t be so pessimistic. 🙂
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What’s strange is my enthusiasm has little to do with the w-l record right now. I’m still going to watch all the games, but the team and program just seem a bit foreign to me. As I wrote above, not saying this is rational.
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The most surprising thing to me about this season isn’t the W-L record. It’s the fact that so many fans are apparently surprised by how bad we are. Our starting LT is a transfer from fucking Rhode Island. I’ll say that again: we’ve got a transfer from Rhode Island starting at LT in the SEC. And he’s the one responsible for protecting the blind side of a true freshman QB … in the SEC.
I’m not gonna sit here and say that I knew we’d struggle against Nicholls, or that we’d lose to Vanderbilt, etc. But I figured it was going to be rough this year. The writing was on the wall before the season began. With a true freshman QB leading the offense, we all knew everything was going to depend upon the OL (a) opening up holes for our talented RBs and (b) giving Eason time to see the field. But the Catalina transfer should’ve let us all know exactly how capable the new coaches thought our linemen were of doing those things. I just feel bad for Chubb and Michel.
At this point, the next couple seasons of Georgia football depend almost entirely upon (a) Kirby and Co’s ability to evaluate and recruit OL, and (b) Pittman’s ability to coach the young guys up. In the meantime, I’m just happy to have legitimate connections to other universities, so I’ve still got interesting games to watch.
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First paragraph…spot on…been saying it..
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Ditto
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If the O line was a known liability from August, does an average to good coach scheme around that? Again if it is a known fact why are 60% of the run calls relying on a known weakness? 6 will not block 8/9, yet here we are beyond week 7 n the season and we are still doing the same things and are saying we have a bad O line. Does not appears the current staff WANTS to gameplan around that, and are perfectly fine with using it for a repeated excuse. No formations to take numbers out of the box. Line play regressing. If you believe Pittman is an upgrade from Sales (I do) hard to believe he has not been able to develope one offensive line during the season to supplant a current starter.
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I don’t disagree with anything you say here. But I do think it’s important to distinguish Pittman’s role from Chaney’s. I’ve been critical of Chaney since day one, even after our win against UNC. I think the guy’s play-calling has been beyond awful for most of the season. Yes, there are ways to scheme around a shitty OL, to some degree. And for some dumb reason, he seems not to want to explore them for any more than a play or two per game. My guess is that, once the OL play improves, and Eason’s able to shine, Chaney’s going to look like a genius. But I’ll still think he’s an overrated hack whose inadequacies are being masked by a talented QB.
Pittman, on the other hand … I just keep telling myself that the hype around this man has got to be real, and that he really is one of the very best at his position in the business. Unlike Chaney, there seems to be no questioning Pittman’s track record. So, as long as his reputation is legit, then (a) our OL talent must be even worse than people like myself feared going into the season, and (b) he’ll need some time to build this thing essentially from scratch. The current crop of OL recruits looks pretty good. Hopefully, he can whip them into shape relatively quickly.
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Pittman and McGee (based mostly on how good Herrien has looked) are really the only all-offense coaches who I’d want back. If Chaney and Coley sought other opportunities, I think that’d be best, even with a new learning curve.
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I don’t know about McGee. I would have much rather had B-Mac retained and moved back to RB coach.
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Agree but Chaney and Pittman have worked together before so I do not understand the disconnection between them when it comes to an offensive game plan. Doesn’t at least 1 coach speak up and say, between the tackles has not worked for 7 weeks, let’s try something else.
I can only judge what happens on Saturday’s this season so Pittman must be using vacation time and/or has been allowed to throw n the towel because improvement is not apparent and 3 months of practice time has not resulted in a redshirt or true freshman to develope to the point he can overtake a current starter. You can talk no talent, but that give a coach a chance to prove their worth. There is not a P5 team (minus Bama) that starts all 4 or 5 star offensive lines. They all need coaching up.
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I only think Chaney looks like a genius when he’s with the morning group at the Golden Corral buffet.
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I am not surprised that we have a freshman starting because the alternative is the guy we watched last year and still won 10 games. What is surprising is that we returned 4 guys that started most of last year on OL minus John Theus, who was average at best and supposedly hired the best OL coach in football and the line has regressed? Maybe Pittman can only coach 6′ 6″ 350 pound guys that run 5.0 fortys. Just not sold on Chaney and doubtful about Pittman.
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Turd, FTW.
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The audacity of firing the UGA coach with the highest winning percentage at that stage in his career (thank you CMR Victory Watch) only makes sense in the context of a substantial upgrade. It is unfathomable that we would roll the dice on an untested coach without clear, compelling insider football knowledge that this was a strong step in the right direction. Therefore, I have to believe in the process: I didn’t realise the price-tag would be this high; apparently, re-wiring a culture, re-building a program, clearing out the cluttered mess left from the last regime takes time. But obviously it was necessary, and without doubt it is difficult. That’s why we’re so lucky to have CKS on board. 2019 will be the year!
If I’m honest, however, the cognitive dissonance thrust in my face by what I see on the field and watch on the television gives me pause. Surely we should have seen at least some marginal, measurable improvements eight games in? But alas: that is to doubt the process and the brain trust, and I simply cannot exist with that degree of pessimism. The thought that this is a journey to nowhere? Inconceivable! CKS is working on behind the scenes, internal, culture and concept stuff that will eventually manifest in improved play on the field and wins on the scoreboard. We have to take the long view. We’ll get there. Carthage wasn’t razed in a day!
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Good stuff.
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Screw the “process” this is GEORGIA not ALABAMA and Kirby ain’t Saban
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Three more tailgates. Which we always win. But if any are night games that will be the extent of my participation. Joy has left the building.
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I can easily see us losing the rest of our games with the lone exception being Directional Louisiana. Making a bowl game is a reach
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I’m unhappy with this coaching staff as it relates to our record, but for now I’ll give them enough of a pass to say its the personnel, not the scheme. I can’t make up my mind whether this team has quit on its coaches or if it even matters at this point. The offense is so woeful IMO there’s not a play caller or scheme out there that can fix it. It’s not an SEC caliber unit. Panic or knee-jerk will not help the program.All we can do is see how coaches respond to current adversity and how they’ll begin to weed the non-hackers out of the program.
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So would you be okay with CKS telling every offensive player at the end of the season that if they want to transfer out he would not put any restrictions on them. I for one sujest that they should take a look else where because CKS and his Offensive chosching staff leave a lot to be desired. To tell the truth they suck.
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Cheer up buddy. Just think about the Tech game. Live for the hate.
We can still salvage the season.
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Surely you can’t be serious.
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I was thinking the same thing this morning. Guess it’s time to head over to Georgia Basketball Blog.
Hey! I’ve turned into the typical ACC fan!
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I was bewildered last year. We had the worst ten-win team I’ve ever seen and the coaching staff was a dysfunctional mess. The Dawgs were really, really bad in their losses and barely squeaked by mediocre teams in many of their wins. But, I admit to being deluded by the W-L record. I assumed Smart & Co. would be able to duplicate last year’s win total while hopefully improving the things in the program that needed improving. But, this season has made it clear that this team has severe talent deficiencies. Particularly on OL, we’re now bad enough that we can’t eke out the wins we could last year. I don’t think there’s a lack of player effort or buy-in, and I’ll give the coaching staff time before I deem them incompetent, but this team just isn’t very good.
None of this has made me indifferent. I’m still paying attention and almost certainly always will. However, a few years ago (I’m pretty sure after the pathetic loss to Colorado) I decided that I just couldn’t invest myself emotionally in a dozen kids running into each other on a grassy field the way I had been. I don’t scream and holler at the TV anymore and I’ve done a pretty good job not letting losses (or ugly wins) ruin the rest of my weekend. It still bothers me when we lose, but I’m trying to keep things – my life in general, the fact football is just a form of entertainment, etc. – in perspective. That perspective will be a happier one when the Dawgs become a championship contender again, but I’m not going to let the results – good or bad – rule my existence.
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+1
You ought only be just so passionate about something in which you are a passive observer.
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It sucked and without any offensive ingenuity it will get worse. I take solace in Tennessee’s window of opportunity slamming shut and Jones having two Richt like games. I don’t even thing CMR did it back to back. Herman and Richt have both let their teams collapse so they at least rids my mind of those possibilities. We’re on a slow turning ship…think I’ll sit in the sun as have another drink.
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All is not lost, at least you have next season’s home schedule to look forward to; Appalachian State, Samford, Mississippi State, USCe, Missouri, and Kentucky. Of course you can look forward to our annual neutral site @$$ whuppin too.
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What is sad is that I’m not sure that we can win any of those games. Samford hung 41 on MSU yesterday. I’m don’t think that we could score 41 on a good D-3 team. Our offense is pathetic.
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Living near Statesboro, it’s interesting to see the same talk in both Athens and Statesboro. What do they have in common? Two first year head coaches in two pressure cooker football programs. There will be bumps in the road. My hope is that they both learn from their mistakes and get buttah. With all the negativity surrounding both programs, I’m pulling for both to succeed. With all that being said, I feel like the Senator – very disinterested right now with the current state of affairs.
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After the way the GSU fans acted in Sanford last year, I’ll never pull for them ever again.
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Georgia Southern will play Ole Miss and Georgia Tech tougher than us.
The Eagles still run the football well and have a solid kicking game.
It’s already clear their transition time will be shorter than Georgia’s.
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They’re OL is probably better than ours.
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Kirby’s first mistake was allowing Saban to use him to get another national title. That put him behind in recruiting. He is still behind. Can he get ahead?
Yes. But he needs to project better. First his wife needs to clean up her man. He looks like a coach on grade school. Plus he is a very poor communicator to the public. Listen to that interview with Chuck Dowdle post game. But then Dowdle is another north Georgia geek. Kirby is not Saban. Saban has that persona and can recruit. Saban does not piss around. He looks like leadership.
Close the open door recruiting by other programs into Georgia. Build a damn fire wall. Bing Dukes at Auburn. Jarrad Davis at Florida. Davis crushed the oline all day. He is from Georgia. He wanted to come to UGA.
Look at the current roster. I have posted about the center position prior and during this season. They list a center who is under 275 pounds. Look down that oline position list. There are some young players there with size. Where is the development of these players by the offensive staff and Pittman in particular. You see other programs playing freshman. What has been going on with this staff for 10 months?
The oline is a huge problem. It should be and must be the top recruiting position. And I am not talking about 3 or 4 I mean 7 or 8. Get them in and prevent other schools from having them. Then in a game you can sub more often and get physical in games.
Evaluate if the coaching abilities of the entire offensive staff. The interior line and tight ends can not get into position quick enough and can not sustain blocks well. The running backs are very poor in blocking. They do not want to. Think back to Isiah Crowell. His high school coach is the running back coach. Again the Saban hold on Smart from December thru January hurt Smart in fully evaluating his staff and them being put on contract. Do not hesitate to cut ties now and at end of season.
Chaney is a poor OC. He has that history. Get out of this old days offense.
You can control a game via the score board if your offense is built to put up the points and your defense can bend but not break.
The history of the Georgia defense. How can you shut someone down on first and second downs and then let them wiggle off on third down. This happened under Richt and now Smart. One thing Vandy and Florida did was make third down plays efficiently. Even if the defense is put in short field, opponents 40 to 50. Shut them down and force bad punts. Where is Beamer and Tucker? There is no speed in pass rush and rushing kicks.
Other than depth and size Georgia is a slow team thru out the roster. It is not quick and it is not fast. I do not think these guys run enough in their conditioning and off season.
Give up going to Jacksonville. It only benefits the state of Florida and UF. Keep that money in Georgia and Athens and UGA.
Uniforms. Same cloth for half a century. Dooley made a change when he came in. Find a damn designer and get some changes. While at it does some work on Chaney and Smart.
4-4. Well, Smart we think it is worst than that looking down the road. You have some players and assets. But man you are wasting them. I would get rid of your football operations head, Mike Cavan.
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I think Ben, and Cosmic, above most closely reflect where I am. I understood the sentiment that after 15 years you sometimes need fresh thinking and re-energizing in a business/program. I mostly hated the divisiveness and bitterness that many brought to that desire for change, and I really hated the way it was handled and the lies we were told (decision riding home from ATL, and search committee). But change was coming either way. I found the hire especially risky when there were superior options available but everyone loves a coming home story and hey, the last coordinator hire worked damned well for us.
So I supported Kirby and took some comfort in the new energy, especially in recruiting, and the opportunity to be proven wrong about his selection. And I still hope it turns out well, but UGA was not a dumpster fire/reclamation project, so I didn’t expect this level of fall off before progress is seen. Yesterday was unsettling because I truly expected to see what changes would be brought to an offense that was in serious need of a makeover. It was pretty shocking to see almost the exact same thing we saw earlier in the season on offense. We have Nick fricking Chubb and Sony Michel, along with other offensive talent and we have 93 combined rushing yards on 56 carries in the last two games combined. And yesterday we had no first downs via the rush, none, That may be mathematically possible, but on the field of play I don’t think it can ever be duplicated.
So yes, I am in that apathetic group until there is some reason to be re-engaged. I will watch the games, but will flip back and forth to better alternatives and not record the UGA game for “further review”. The passionate fans on this blog will do something similar, at least most will. We cannot just drop this love of our life and not stay in touch. But I do think there is a real concern that some will reduce their involvement for a while, but will never return to the level we have been at in terms of emotional commitment. As someone said above, it is very dangerous to allow your supporters to find out there are other things to do with your time and money. That is what BM should be worrying about, you never get all the children back in the fold once they have gotten a taste of other life style opportunities.
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For the first time in my 50 years of being Georgia student or alumni, I turned the channel to another game before the game was over and could not tell my wife what the final score was, when she asked. I was told that we had three very talented tight ends,more great running backs than any team deserved and a phenom quarterback, who came in early. I was also told that our new coach would import the “the process” end we would be on our way. Did the entire program need to be blown up to get there? I do know that South Carolina beat Tenn. last night with a freshmen qb. that had one game worth of experience.
Say what you will about his night life escapades, but the Georgia athletic dept. has gone down hill since our last athletic director was forced out.
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Position coaches and players perform when they are threatened.
I let my frosh punter know his scholarship is going to be burned at end of season unless his performance changes big time between and now and of season. He gives up field position and yardage. Big disadvantage to offense and a very young QB. Guess he did not get that question on his SAT.
Tired of hearing the same old refrain from Smart that he can kick them in practice.
Well Coach hear is clarion call. He can not do it in a game, and that is where it counts.
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Receivers. You do not have any that can separate, block, and catch.
Every high school coach in south Georgia told you and Richt that the past two years.
Only guy you had was Mitchell out of Valdosta High and he plays on Sunday.
Tight ends. You do not have any. If you do no one knows they are there re blocking and catching. They disappear in games.
May look good in practice, but they are non performers in games.
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Hire Rush Propst now!
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I need him to at least give me high school wins.. Right now its the only thing worth rooting for
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Excellent work …
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If Georgia had a kicking game and a defense that can stop teams on third down they could have stopped UF yesterday.
Florida is an average team on offense. The defense wanted to stop the running game, and they did at times. But they allowed the QB make plays in the passing game. This team can not rush a passer. And the secondary is not a consistent shut down one.
Currently this Florida team is not the passing teams under Spurrier, but yesterday they looked like it at times.
Young defense. But it needs to get up some more speed.
It coupled with the kicking game is not good in game situations.
No doubt the oline and kicking game have hurt this team all year. It will not get better by year end.
That is very troubling.
What the last two games have proven is that UGA’s football program is in serious trouble.
Drop that UK game on the road. And it will be a disaster and will take a long time to crawl out of.
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You have huge issues with LBs and secondary when Trent Thompson comes back of the d-line and makes a tackle on a receiver 10-15 yards down field.
Never saw that before. But then again I never seen a lot of the plays out of a Georgia team that I have this year.
Florida got a lot of breaks yesterday. They should. They played like a roster that fully gets the most from players via their coaches. Plus their coaches will build on it.
Unlike UGA after the UNC game.
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Can I start the “Kirby is winning with Richt’s players” meme? Oh wait…
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Kirby is winning because the east is down?? Nope…
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At least he’s on pace to MAYBE match Richt’s worst season
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At least here had fire and emotion, unlike Richt, because that wins championships
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Last year Auburn’s coaching staff was under the gun. They were all on the verge of being fired. They got the message.
Last year UK’s staff was under the gun. They were all on the verge of being fired. They got the message.
If you are eight games into the season do you burn your oline senior starters and start building for next year. Might be better to do that now. Take the losses and find out where you are on the oline.
Same for other positions.
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Listening to “Champagne Jam” as I head out to brunch with a beautiful woman on my arm. Bottomless mimosas along with a gorgeous day in HTown will be the perfect “salve” for my wounds suffered yesterday watching what could possibly have been the worst football game ever played by my University. Thank God for memories and Herschel Walker!
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Totally understand how mad. bewildered, confused, and frustrated people are with the players, coaches, and the entire football program.
They wanted support. They had 93,000 showed up at a spring game.
Supporters and alums sold out for this program.
Unfortunately, nobody in the football program has showed up and sold out for us.
Just maybe the best solution is to walk away from it for awhile.
Ask Missouri. Want to see those stands yesterday. Look at the high lights of their game with UK, out next road game opponent.
But then again the AD and the B-M brain trust do not like to spend an autumn afternoon in Sanford. They prefer to go to an outdated stadium, a relic in history.
A place where the facility did not have the means to get a player off the field for UGA. Bet not one damn soul in the AD or B-M complex took note of that crap.
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After 4 straight 10 win seasons, It appears to me that a 6 win season
Is not expecting too much. The Dawgs need a Bowl Game?
Sorry, But the coaching Is what concerns me. The Florida Coach
came from Colorado State where Mike Bobo Is the HC now.
Hines Ward wants to be a Georgia Assistant Coach. Why Not.
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I quit watching the game at the half. I just lost interest.
No way was the Dawg Offense going to come back.
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My wife has been amazed at my lack of any concern with the outcome of any of the games since UT. Losing a game with 10 seconds left on the clock by a team coached by a defensive genius, ended the season for me. Oh I turned the game on for Vandy but knew it was over when they got the first TD. The football gods are not happy with UGA right now and are about to show it. If we lose to Kentucky, we will not go bowling and our streak will be over. Need I remind anyone how we laughed last year when Tech’s streak ended. Karma is a bitch. I shutter to think of the score Auburn will put on us for all the times Richt’s teams killed them. Tech will literally destroy us,hell Kirby couldn’t stop GSU’s triple option with Alabama’s guys he sure can’t do it with our undersized bunch of midgets. So yea I’ll watch but I’m not going to sweat it since the big donor’s are not worried. I just want this nightmare to be over.
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Senator-
You comments completely encapsulate my feelings at this time.
I am no longer concerned about winning as much as I am about spending time with friends.
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I’ve been in the same boat since halftime vs. Ole Miss, save for a brief blip vs. UT.
I’m not even upset, which is the most surprising part.
Yesterday felt less like a football game and more like an inevitability.
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You need to produce a reality show for netflix about the perils of the dawgnation… think of the characters. It would give us something to watch until 2018 when Kirby gets his players. My apathy has filtered to all of college football. Hard to watch relevant college football games and teams when I turn off the last half of the fourth quarter of another Georgia/Florida game.
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Here’s the silver lining. One of the following two things will happen:
1) Kirby isn’t really this bad. He will get more of his recruits in and next year we’ll start to see things moving strongly in the right direction.
2) Kirby is this bad. Surely that will be the end of Greg McGarity along with him, right?
This is why you don’t rubber stamp a popular community choice for HC and do a real search.
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Downside to #2 is the same people behind the change and search will still more or less be in charge.
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Way to ruin my one hope…
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Looking like this is how the season will end up (as predicted by ESPN FPI):
http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/teamratings
Wins over ranked teams like:
LA LAF #114
SC #69
KY #68
MZ #59
GT #52
NC #21
Losses to ranked:
#6 Auburn
#14 Ole Miss
#15 UF
#19 UT
#60 Vandy
So 1 good win vs NC, 1 bad loss vs Vandy.
7-5 is what ESPN projects.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/fpi?id=61&year=2016
UGA would end up @ #42 in ranking overall.
What’s interesting is UGA ranks in ESPN FPI:
Off #72, Def #23 Sp Team #125
UF ranks:
Off #69, Def #3, Sp Team #76
If the def becomes a top 5 defense in 2017, and sp teams improve to @ #75,
even if the offense stays around #69, looking at a top 10 team.
UF has been @70 ranked offense for 2 years, average to below average special teams,
but the defense has been top 11 in 2015, and top 3 in 2016.
That is the most realistic blueprint for Kirby, focus on defense, improve special teams.
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FPI is much higher on us than S&P+ which has close losses to NATS and UK..and not even cracking 40 points in the win over ULL.
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TonyQBR – you need to submit to random drug testing. The same OL issues everyone bitches about this year aren’t getting any better next year. We’ll have a new LT that will likely be a true FR or Div II transfer plus the incoming Pittman FR recruits, but it’s essentially the same offense/OL less Chubb and Sony who will likely leave for the NFL. The 1-2 last minute OL signees Pittman “found” haven’t even come close to seeing any real playing time this year. Our defense, while improving, isn’t anywhere close to being on par with Florida or Bama plus the same ST key guys return. Not to mention we’ll have the same core coaching staff with 1 year of experience. Using your statistical logic, if my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle.
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Here’s my thinking on how UGA vaults from #42 to a top 10 in 1 year:
1- Offense: WR’s will be bigger & better next year. That will stretch the field and open up the run.
OLine can’t be worse than this year’s. I am not counting on a lot of improvement, just @ #70 ranked offense.
3- Special teams will get a ton of attention in the offseason and get much much better. I am hoping
the team improves from #125 to #75 or even #100 like UF was last year.
4- I am pretty damn sure the defense will be a top 10 defense in year 2 of Kirby’s scheme. it almost always is
under Kirby, as hie’s the best DC in the nation.
I want to see Off ranked #70, def top 10, special teams 75-100. Very do-able.
UF has done that formula the last 2 years, Kirby is a better defensive mind than anyone over there.
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The UGA page S & P+ has not been updated on their site since 10/24 so your info is outdated.
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Wait? You mean we couldn’t put up points against one of the best defenses in the country with a true freshman qb and our worse offensive line in 20 years? No shit…..
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But they promised!
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With one more loss I think Will Trane will start typing in all caps again.
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This week was my first on a new job, one that requires me to work Saturday afternoons. It says a lot about this football season that instead of passing on the opportunity I saw a mild positive in the fact that I would have a solid excuse to not be watching the Jacksonville game.
They’re still my team, and I’m still a fan, but in the last two years that’s become more about which t-shirt I wear than what I look forward to on weekends in the fall. (And my t-shirts are getting older – I haven’t bought a new one for some time.)
So Senator, I can relate to your feelings.
If they beat Auburn I’ll still enjoy it… but I’ve got zero expectations that it’ll happen.
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Not going to beat Auburn, they got a top 10 offense and defense and special teams is much better too.
Give up that dream.
Could win the other 3 games left though.
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Glad you feel that way. I don’t see us becoming bowl eligible. Kentucky destroyed a Missouri team that we beat with a last second miracle. Auburn will humiliate us much like they did on the second half against Ole Miss. And Tech ran all over Vandy, who beat us at our homecoming.
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Careful with the transitive look on Missouri. When we played them, they didn’t know that they sucked. We didn’t know that we sucked either. At the time that game could have easily been between the two best teams in the east.
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You’re right, of course. The transitive always comes back to bite the prognosticator.
But the product we’re putting on the field just looks so bad right now….
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Already thinking about the hit I am going to take selling my season tickets next year.
I can’t pull the trigger on dropping them, but I can’t imagine going to the games either.
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