Okay, who hid the box of crayons?

In a season of imponderables, perhaps the biggest mystery is why the offense has performed so poorly.  Just a few stats:

There hasn’t been a decline in third down conversion rates, red zone conversion rates or explosive plays, but considering how anemic the 2015 offense was under Schottenheimer, that’s hardly progress.

While I get that there are certain structural flaws in the personnel at hand this year, it’s still hard to grasp why a team with the running backs and tight ends Georgia has at its disposal can have the low points it’s had in 2016.  And by now, it shouldn’t be unreasonable to expect to see some progress out of true freshman Jacob Eason.  To the contrary, a review of his game log passer ratings shows that his play has stalled.

I never expected Jim Chaney to be a genius when Smart announced his hire, but I saw enough in his background to think he would be at least more competent at his job than what we saw last season.  To say the least, that hasn’t materialized.

The question I have at this point is how much of that rests on Chaney’s shoulders and how much of that lies with Kirby Smart.  As Seth Emerson notes, some of the in-game playcalling after Georgia took its last lead of the game was beyond comprehension.

Instead, Georgia went run-run-pass – and punt – on its next two possessions. Florida took the lead back. The chance to really put the Gators behind the 8-ball at halftime was blown.

Chubb didn’t touch the ball between the 12:25 mark of the second quarter and the first play of the fourth quarter.

In the second half – a game that remained in striking distance – Georgia ran the ball just six times, while passing it 17 times.

Sure, some of that can be blamed on an offensive line that appeared unable to block its way out of a paper bag, but the lack of creativity in the playcalling from someone with years of experience in the college game is inexcusable.

Then you hear Smart talk and you wonder in what kind of box Chaney’s playbook has been placed.

Georgia was criticized by some for only running the ball 19 times. It went three-and-out in the first half at one point on three of four drives where Georgia went run-run-pass, run-run-pass, run-run-pass. On the other series in that stretch, Georgia began the drive by seeing Jacob Eason get sacked.

“What do we have to do to run the ball better?” Smart said. “We’ve got to give our offensive line a chance by what plays we design and call. Maybe that’s more perimeter runs. We tried that and we had a backer run through on a toss play. More direct runs where we can be more physical and downhill at them and we weren’t able to do that.”

Star running back Nick Chubb is averaging 4.85 yards per carry, down from 8.1 last season and 7.1 in 2014. Sony Michel’s average yards per carry is 4.74 from 5.3 last season and 6.4 in 2014.

“I think they get frustrated, I think it’s tough but I thought Nick and Sony were both very positive to the O-line in the huddle,” Smart said. “They know that’s their bread and butter. They know those guys have got to play better, play harder and we’ve got to help them by playing smarter.”

From an overall offensive philosophy, that boils down to nothing more than same old, same old.  Play better and the rest will take care of itself.  And maybe that’s true, at least when the day comes that Chaney has a dominant offensive line.  In the meantime, it sure ain’t pretty, regardless of who’s planning the trip.

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135 responses to “Okay, who hid the box of crayons?

  1. Biggus Rickus

    Okay. Let’s look at this:

    “Instead, Georgia went run-run-pass – and punt – on its next two possessions. Florida took the lead back. The chance to really put the Gators behind the 8-ball at halftime was blown.”

    I wanted them to spread them out and throw to set up the run when it became apparent early that they couldn’t block them, so I’m with him so far.

    “Chubb didn’t touch the ball between the 12:25 mark of the second quarter and the first play of the fourth quarter.

    “In the second half – a game that remained in striking distance – Georgia ran the ball just six times, while passing it 17 times.”

    So they were supposed to continue to run the ball ineffectually after halftime? The problem they had in the game was that they couldn’t block Florida at all on anything as the game progressed. The last time there were plays to be had was their next to last possession of the first half. Eason missed one (under some pressure), underthrew a ball that could have gone for a touchdown – though Ridley could have slowed up to catch it if he’d judged it correctly – and a drop on third down. After that, there was nothing there. Eason lost faith in the protection, and for good reason, as it broke down most of the time.

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    • So they were supposed to continue to run the ball ineffectually after halftime?

      I presume that’s a rhetorical question.

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    • Geezus

      I keep hearing people talk about what a mistake it was to get rid of Richt (who’s also 4-4 btw) because he won 10 games a year and how much of a step back the program has taken since Kirby took over. I simply do not agree with that perspective. The issues that we are seeing this year are the same ones that have plagued this team for the last 4 or 5 years: 1) undersized and thin in the secondary, 2) undersized and thin at receiver (with a tendency to drop balls), 3) under-performing O-line, and 4) a train-wreck that is special teams. One recruiting class and one spring/fall camp cannot fix that. I expect that we should see improvement in year two and marked improvement in year three – that’s the window that I will used to judge Kirby. Losing sucks, but I believe this season was inevitable based on recruiting over the last 7+ years.

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      • Makes you wonder how Georgia won 10 games last year.

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        • Biggus Rickus

          To some extent they got lucky. The games after September last year were little different from this season, but they scratched out wins against the crappy teams. Really, if Georgia had beaten Vandy 19-17, this October would have looked almost identical to last October.

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          • Snoop Dawgy Dawg

            Not in defense of fCMR
            It’s almost like attention to detail and coaching matters in close games.

            the difference from last year to this, is somehow, in an ugly fashion, we managed to win. this year, CKS is learning that being the top guy entails decisions that have to be made fast, that directly affect the final score, and it ain’t as easy as it looks, and there are a million variables that can go wrong and end up in a loss.

            My hope was mid week and off season attention to detail would help boost CKS in this transition year and help maintain fan support as he put his stamp on the team. Unfortunately, the things we hoped to see in an immediate impact have been missing, and we’re left with a completely demoralized and discombobulated team.

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            • Geezus

              I wouldn’t say they are demoralized (there was a tremendous effort throughout the Florida game), but I definitely think their eyes are open wider.

              RE: CMR – I agree about attention to detail. I also saw Richt struggle with that detail and last minute decision-making in years 13, 14 & 15 of his tenure.

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        • blueridgedawg

          Yes, funny how that happened Senator. Run, run, pass, punt repeat etc.

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  2. I’m not convinced Chaney will do anything with a dominant offensive line. He’s awful and can’t carry Mike Bobo’s crayons.

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    • Biggus Rickus

      I think he’s probably average, which isn’t good enough when you have personnel issues. I don’t want them to fire him for the reason stated by gatriguy below, but I’m not happy with him so far.

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    • Biggus Rickus

      Also, I miss screen passes. It seems to me that tight end and running back screens could be moderately successful, and they’re never called.

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      • gastr1

        Is it the lack of WR blocking? If your receivers can’t at least get in the way, screens won’t go anywhere. Though you’d like to see them try just because nothing else ever works, obviously.

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        • Irwin R. Fletcher

          I think it’s the lack of WR catching that hurts more than the fact they can’t block.

          The O-Line is soooo bad right now. They couldn’t block a 4 man front and Florida had penetration on just about every run call. I don’t know how you play call out of that.

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          • Athens Townie

            This is the same difficulty I’m having.

            Is there really a way to scheme your way out of this problem: awful offensive line talent, true freshman QB, undertalented/undersized WRs versus a strong defense? I get we can scheme around things a bit when we play poor defenses, but Florida is stout on defense.

            The RBs and the TEs are great, but if the OL is getting blown off the ball on virtually every play … I’m going to hold off on evaluating Chaney for now.

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        • Biggus Rickus

          That may be the case. I think the line might be better suited to block for screens, though.

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  3. The OL is obviously an issue, but I wonder just how confused Eason is. Every time he comes off the field and is talking to a Chaney, Chaney starts shaking his head.

    Could he just be that out of his depth when it comes to coverage?

    I honestly don’t know. Chaney didn’t blow my skirt up, but I saw his offenses at Tennessee score points.

    Ultimately, I think Kirby wanted Enos, couldn’t get him, but really, really wanted Pittman and decided to make Chaney part of the deal.

    It’s hard for me to imagine he won’t be back though. Four OCs in 4 years is a disaster. If nothing else, they need a couple of years of continuity.

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    • Normaltown Mike

      Eason doesn’t appear to know how to make a pre-snap read and he doesn’t appear to make progressions on his pass plays.

      He was most effective Saturday when he ran out of the pocket, scanned the field and could fling the ball downfield (with poor mechanics as Gary pointed out). That’s what he did in HS and it worked but HS football doesn’t have SEC DE’s running you down.

      Undoubtedly he’s got all the arm talent in the world, but he’s not remotely polished as a pro-style QB.

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      • You have to admit, that 50 yard spiral he threw that hit the pylon was a beaut.

        I wonder if he won a bet with that throw.

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      • simpl_matter

        He had zero INTs, stepped into the pocket on occasion, and threw it away rather than take a sack several times. He’s getting better.

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        • Athens Townie

          I agree. He is improving in some areas.

          But at the end of the day — he’s a true freshman QB in the SEC playing behind an awful offensive line.

          What’s reasonable to expect?

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    • Bobo would have had Eason ready to play this year. Maybe he can be Eason’s OC and QB coach as a junior to help him prepare for the draft. Chaney is going to get him killed.

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      • Biggus Rickus

        That’s a bold claim. Stafford was nowhere near ready to play as a freshman. On the whole, Eason has had a more successful transition so far.

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        • What I mean is that I believe that Bobo would have improved the mechanics and the ability to play the position better than Chaney … The game still hasn’t slowed down for Eason.

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          • Biggus Rickus

            Eh. Maybe. It’s tough for the game to slow down when you can’t rely on your protection.

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            • Very true … but this is really the first game where he consistently wasn’t trusting the protection.

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              • Normaltown Mike

                for good reason (to be fair).

                The UF d was as good as advertised

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                • Absolutely … no argument there

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                • At this point, I’ll focus on at least one positive: no turnovers in last 2 games.

                  I will say that he is much more careful with that ball than Stafford was at the same point.

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                  • Different team, different time, but Stafford’s coming out party his freshman year was the Auburn game, where he had a lot of success with QB draws (even though he fumbled on at least one of them). Most of the sacks he has experienced have been from the edge, so maybe this would work.

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                    • Otto

                      Agreed Auburn was his coming out party. Florida he showed his arm but the INTs were costly.

                      I maybe in the minority here but Chubb has been ineffective whether due to OL or injury. Eason has had the most success out of shotgun where he played in HS. I wanted shotgun and throw 1st in the 2nd half. He won Mizzou with that mentality, the ground game wasn’t going anywhere against Florida.

                      We may have watched a replay of ’06 with Stafford getting close on his arm, only to throw an INT but we would have offense. The pass may have opened up the run as well.

                      The most exciting news was Pittman is recruiting a JUCO OG. I didn’t expect a SEC CG trip but I did expect a win over Vandy and to feel comfortable going into Kentucky. Now I just want to make a bowl, and sign a good class.

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              • Biggus Rickus

                It’s also a game after he played well against Vandy. Outside of the South Carolina game, he’s performed well for a true freshman.

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                  • Scorpio Jones, III

                    And you do see him do a couple of things every game that he did not or could not do the game before. At least he won’t have to deal with a defensive front like Florida’s for a week. Auburn’s may be better.

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                    • Until Saturday, yes, but I still think Chaney is terrible.

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                    • Athens Townie

                      I think it’s a little early to evaluate Chaney (at least for me).

                      He’s supposed to make something serviceable out of:

                      true freshman QB, one of the worst offensive lines I’ve ever watched at a serious SEC program, undersized/undertalented WRs

                      The TEs and RBs are a great strength. But our weaknesses are so glaring in other areas.

                      If Chaney’s offense isn’t better in 2017 (and particularly) 2018, then I’ll be very concerned for him and for Kirby.

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              • Irwin R. Fletcher

                this is really the first game where he consistently wasn’t trusting the protection.

                This assumes there was any protection there to be trusted.

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          • Got Cowdog

            I’ll say!
            Poor Bastard was running for his life Saturday. The O-line has some issues, to say the least. Like my old coach used to say about my third string brothers and I, “they’re little, but they’re slow.”
            It reminded me of the scene in “Romancing the Stone” where Danny Devito’s character is running from the po-po, firing a pistol over his shoulder upside down and backwards without looking.
            He had to be on his horse as soon as he got the ball. I think the kid has some grit, even with the pressure and his line getting blown up, there were no issues on the snap and he did not throw a pick.
            As far as Gary D’s ( automatically for the people…who are playing Georgia) issues with his mechanics, squat your happy ass behind center with that sort of pressure and we’ll see what your mechanics look like.
            Geez…….

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    • Debby Balcer

      Agreed we need some stability at the coordinators level. All of our kids have had continual change in position and coordinators.

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  4. “With the RBs & TEs that the Dawgs have we should be able to
    (Run The Damn Ball}”. I have said that before. But truth Is truth.
    Kirby needs to change the Offense & the Offensive Game Plan.
    I was hoping he would during the open date period. He did not.

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    • Kirby needs to change the Offense & the Offensive Game Plan.

      To what?

      They can’t run outside. They can’t run between the tackles. They can’t pass protect with just the 5 OL, meaning those vaunted TE’s have to help block. Even when they stay in, the TE’s and RB’s don’t always offer the best pass protection. The WRs can’t catch outside of a couple of guys that aren’t tall enough to ride all of the rides at Disney World and a true freshman that is now hurt. You want them to run with the highly talented running backs, but we can’t line up in power formations. When they spread the field, it just opens lanes for the defenders to run downhill. They can’t run power, they can’t run iso, they can’t run counters, they can’t run sweeps. For the season, Georgia has had 23% of its carries stopped at or behind the line of scrimmage. That ranks 116 out of 128. The opponent-adjusted Adjusted Line Yards (run-blocking measure) has Georgia 94 out of 128. They rank 100 for Adjusted sack rate (pass-blocking measure). There are only nine offensive lines in the country that rank worse in both statistical categories (two Power Five: Arizona State and South Carolina).

      Given those limitations, give me the offensive philosophy and game plan that will be the true winner. Is there an offense that doesn’t rely on blocking at the line of scrimmage or catching thrown balls?

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      • Scorpio Jones, III

        Touche…+1

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      • scuba

        If what we are doing is not working and I am assuming you would grant that. How can it hurt to try something different? Our best play from my seat Saturday appeared to be the broken play quarterback scramble. This offense is DOA as currently being delivered. I don`t pretend to know why we are being so stubbornly predictable with our play calling. I do know unless we try something new the results will not improve.

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        • dubyadee

          Or maybe, you know, call the same plays but block them correctly. Might not be great, but it would help. I watched a bunch of our running plays three or four times. You know what I saw? A bunch of missed assignments. I don’t mean guys getting beat because they are not strong enough or quick enough (though there was some of that), I mean guys missing their assignments and not blocking anyone.

          And doing some compare and contrast with the last few years, I have gained a new appreciation for zone blocking schemes.

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      • Athens Townie

        Great post, Trey.

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      • Q

        Good point about OL.

        But not catching thrown balls isn’t a talent problem. If these kids couldn’t catch in high school they wouldn’t have been recruited. Coley or the team psychologist or both aren’t performing.

        Re OL: How did the OL go from serviceable last year to atrocious this year? Probably wasn’t John Theus leaving.

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        • I think it is much harder to replace a former 5*, four-year starting OT like Theus than we think. That is on top of replacing a six-year (in the program) veteran like Kolton Houston on the other side. Pyke was a guard last year, now asked to block the edge. Catalina was blocking for 1-10 Rhode Island last year. That seems like a slight crater-sized dip in talent and experience to me, but I’m a know-nothing homer.

          WRs dropping passes has been a UGA tradition for as long as I can remember. I don’t know why we would expect anything different from this crew.

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          • Q

            1st paragraph seems fair, but why is Kublanow worse? And wasn’t the previous staff high on Wynn?

            Yes to WR issues. Other than Tony Ball our WR production (therefore coaching?) has been trash.

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      • Otto

        Shotgun, quick passes, pass to set up the run.

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      • Got Cowdog

        Well, punting is always an option….. No, wait……

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  5. What Fresh Hell is This?

    Structural flaws in personnel? I don’t see us having a dearth of talent, and there are plenty of OCs that scheme their way around lack of talent.

    What’s glaring is Chaney’s total lack of imagination and more importantly, deception. We run from obvious run formations and pass from obvious pass formations. Chubb is consistently having to beat 9 and 10 at the line. There’s nothing wrong with running on first down but does it have to be in I formation with a fullback and only 1 receiver wide? Here’s an idea, could we have Chubb and Michel on the field at the same time? Could we actually throw to the tight ends? Or let’s do something crazy and spread the field and run instead of throwing it and give Chubb/Michel a little space to operate in.

    We are the definition of vanilla.

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    • Q

      Yea. It’s maddening. If I had a 3 month free trial of a superpower, my second choice, after a spinning glow-in-the-dark ding ding would be to call our plays like I can on my PS3.

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    • Irwin R. Fletcher

      I don’t see us having a dearth of talent, and there are plenty of OCs that scheme their way around lack of talent.

      Name one OC that has survived in the SEC without talent?

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  6. IndyDawg

    I hope we’re not back the “buttah” Goff years. Painful and pitiful.

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  7. Q

    “More direct runs where we can be more physical and downhill at them and we weren’t able to do that.”

    In what universe would that have worked?

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  8. tonyqbr

    Looks to me like Kirby has instructed Chaney he wants his offensive identity to be run first, and then throw a deep ball a few times
    to burn them after you lull them to sleep with relentless run calls.

    Problem is, Chaney doesn’t have the talent to do that in 2016, he lacks an oline limiting slow developing play calls, and his oline
    also limits the run game.

    Kirby needs to figure out where to prioritize his time, he can’t split it evenly on off/def/spec teams, he has to start somewhere, and to me,
    he needs to really focus on his defense.

    The biggest difference in 2015 & 2016, yes the offense has fallen from 48 to 72, but the defense has fallen from 8 to 23, and special teams
    from 48 to 125.

    Looking at UF 2015, you can get by with a @70 offense and a @100 special teams, as long as you have a top defense.

    This is the easiest fix, Kirby needs to focus his time on defense, get that unit into the top 10.

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  9. Bill Glennon

    I don’t understand why no personnel changes have bee made on the OL. Not even any tweaks. If your starters get knocked back 6 yards and are turnstiles, how can the backups be worse? If you are willing to bench your punter, how come you can’t bench an OL?

    Are the backups that were recruited by a lot of these same SEC schools all busts? Is this a situation where we brought 10-12 OL into the program and they all happened to be complete busts? I guess its possible. I don’t have any other explanation for how we can have essentially no competent OL on a roster with supposedly the best OL coach in the country.

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    • Bright Idea

      I’m with you on this OLine. Since the UNC game left tackle is a glaring deficiency but only 6 guys have been given a chance to play. At some point try somebody else. It makes me think there is nobody.

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    • Do you think they’re intentionally not playing the best guys?

      Not trolling, that’s a serious question. I legitimately don’t know.

      I just think the young guys aren’t physically ready yet and we had some busts/poor development in the upper classes.

      It’s just a prefect storm unfortunately.

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      • Dylan Dreyer's Booty

        We do have a number of redshirts and many of those are offensive linemen, including 5* Cleveland. We wouldn’t be the shortest and lightest O-line in the conference (see an earlier post by the Senator) if those guys were included in the mix. At least, I don’t think so. I think it is a legitimate question.

        At this point, if that is what has been going on, it’s not time to panic and pull those shirts – the season is toast anyway. But c’mon Kirby/Chaney, mix it up a little with what you have.

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        • Sorry, DDB, but the smallest / lightest offensive line doesn’t explain the inability to move Nicholls off the line of scrimmage.

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          • Dylan Dreyer's Booty

            Maybe not, but if you are just using the same line as last year, but without Theus and with Catalina in his place, you aren’t moving many people off the line of scrimmage, particularly if you are teaching a blocking scheme that needs some size. I think the point is still valid.

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        • My feeling is that Kirby wants to build to where an OL redshirts a year, sits/plays situational a year, and is ready to maul by RS So. year. So maybe we’re just not throwing them out until they are 100% where they want them to be.

          Whether this is true or even the correct approach, I honestly have no clue. It’s hard for me to believe we couldn’t kick Wynn to tackle and get Pyke back at guard, but idk. I guess then you have another problem at Wynn’s guard spot.

          The OT situation particularly really kills this offense. I don’t think they were caught flatfooted, bc they did go get Catalina, but I’m not sure they realized it would be this bad.

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          • lakedawg

            What happened with Dyshon Simms, played in 16 games his first two years including several starts when Theus an Houston nicked up. That 2014 O-line averaged 260 yds game, with 3 of that starting now plus Simms. Just bull shit thT we regressed that much. Think Bobo and Friend were huge losses more so than players.

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        • Russ

          We’ve had the smallest OL for several years, going back to 2013. In 2011, we had the largest OL in organized football (including NFL). In all those years we had a serviceable running attack. The only person that could stop Chubb’s streak of 100 yard games was Chaney.

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  10. The Quincy Carter of Accountants

    From 2009 – 2015 Jim Chaney coached three teams, Tennessee, Arkansas and Pitt. In those years his average offense was 385 yards per game, 5.7 yards per play and 27.6 ppg. This year Georgia is averaging 373 yards per game 5.18 yards per play and 23.3 points per game.

    So you can look at this in two ways in my opinion 1) This offense is a dumpster fire by the standards of championship football programs (or hell, Mike Bobo) or 2) this offense is slightly below average for Jim Chaney.

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    • Ricj

      Well, the best statistic there is ypp, and 5.18 is a big step down from 5.7. Chaney is bad, but this is surprising even for him.

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    • D.N. Nation

      I’d sacrifice a goat to bring Bobo back. To think there was ever a time when people on DawgSports complained that Bobo’s offense was “scoring too quickly and not giving the defense time to rest.”

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  11. Granthams replacement

    Most OCs can’t be effective at playcalling when at least one DL is in the backfield on every play. Chaney has brought Eason along faster than I expected

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  12. Hal Welch

    Well… you certainly don’t want to begin the play with 8 offensive players in the “box”, a tight box at that then motion the 9th one into the box and hand the damn ball off to run between the guard and center. What did he expect would happen? And I’ve seen that from him consistently all year. When something doesn’t work you change it. When tight formations get stoned you move into a spread formation and you tinker until something works. For Chubb and Michel to touch the ball 11 times between them all day it’s not the formations or personnel that aren’t working.,.. it’s the coordinator. He thought he’d disguise the offense perhaps by hiding his two best players on the bench maybe? Chubb doesn’t touch the ball for nearly two quarters of play? C’mon… listen we aren’t that good we know that. But Kirby wants to play old school ball which is fine, give the ball to your best player(s) and if they beat you shake their hands. Satruday’s playcalling and gameplan were amateur at best.

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  13. tonyqbr

    Richt’s issue is he tried to win the SEC with pass first offense Pro Style oriented mix.

    While innovative, and good for recruiting, no one ever made that formula work.

    Richt’s identitiy is #1 offense, #2 defense, then special teams.

    That identity can work in the SEC, as Auburn proved in 2010, but not with a Pro Style offense,
    instead with a running Qb and spread offense.

    Richt’s Pro Style Offense first oriented identity was doomed to fail, and never got it done in the SEC with a national championship.

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    • Scorpio Jones, III

      So you are saying Richt’s pro-style is different from Bama (pre-Hurts) pro-style?

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      • tonyqbr

        Difference between Richt & Saban are:
        1- Richt’s offense first mix, Saban is defense first
        2- Saban recruited better
        3- Strength & Conditioning and mental toughness with Cochran is unrivaled.
        4- Admin support at Bama vs Idiot McGarity at Georgia.

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        • Saban loaded up on the offensive line and won NC with Greg McElroy, AJ McCarron, and Jake Coker. For whatever reason, we just never figured the OL out, even after we saw what happened in 2003.

          Of course, losing out on Tunsil was an absolute backbreaker from a talent perspective. Whether we could have kept him eligible with our drug policy is debatable

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    • 69Dawg

      The only flaw in your argument is that Alabama has won with a Pro-style offense. Up until this year they didn’t need to change but now Saban has (see below)

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      • tonyqbr

        1) Alabama is a defense 1st mix, Richt’s was an offense 1st mix, meaning, Richt’s offenses usually ranked higher than his defenses.

        Not so with Saban.

        Yes, you can win with Pro Style, but not with the offense first mix Richt chose.

        richt is offense, def, sp teams
        Saban is def, offen, sp teams.

        2) Saban outrecruited Richt.

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    • Richt’s issue is he tried to win the SEC with pass first offense Pro Style oriented mix.

      You seriously don’t have the first clue what you’re talking about. Since you love stats so much, go check out the run/pass mix from 2014. Or 2015.

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      • tonyqbr

        From 2007 to 2015 on, Richt’s offenses usually outranked his defenses.
        http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/fpi/_/id/61/year/2007

        Every time but 2 years 6x off, 2x def..

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        • That has nothing to do with “Richt’s issue is he tried to win the SEC with pass first offense Pro Style oriented mix.”

          You are getting tiresome with the barrage of statistical data you substitute for meaningful analysis. Consider this your second strike.

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          • tonyqbr

            What’s your solution to to turning things around?

            I get tired of everybody piling on, with no solutions offered.

            I’m a true fan, not just when times are good.

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            • Rick

              If Kirby Smart is not a good head football coach (which at this point seems likely, though not certain), there is no short term solution. Tennessee, Auburn, Florida, Miami, SoCal, Texas, Michigan and many other UGA-like programs have had to come to grips with this multiple times this millenium. Now it’s our turn.

              The distressing thing is that there aren’t even medium term solutions as long as ADGM is drawing a paycheck. If our fans convince themselves that this team is talentless, Nick Chubb lost a step or has given up, it’s all the last guy’s fault and we would have been this bad no matter what, McGarity keeps his job.

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              • Biggus Rickus

                Most Georgia fans don’t think the team is completely without talent. The problem is that it’s clustered in specific areas. I don’t think the OL is good enough to make the offense go against any defense with a halfway decent front seven. That gives Chaney a little leeway in my eyes, so far. If things don’t improve next year, then I think you can start drawing some conclusions about the coaching staff.

                The split over Richt last season has carried over into this season. Some Georgia fans were kidding themselves about absolutely anyone being able to win as many games as Richt. Some fans were kidding themselves about Richt putting everything together if only given more time. The question always came down to whether 8 to 10 wins every year was an acceptable level and if you were willing to risk truly disastrous years for the hope of something more. Smart may turn out to be the disaster one would hope they could avoid, but this season isn’t going to tell us one way or the other.

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                • Rick

                  “8 to 10 wins every year” is a bizarre summary of a tenure whose median season was 10-3 and a top 10 finish in both polls.

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                  • Biggus Rickus

                    Put aside the first five years, which was the best run of his career and a level he never came close to matching again. In his final 10, these were the records:

                    2006: 9-4
                    2007: 11-2
                    2008: 10-3
                    2009: 8-5
                    2010: 6-7
                    2011: 10-4
                    2012: 12-2
                    2013: 8-5
                    2014: 10-3
                    2015: 10-3

                    He averaged 9.4 wins and 3.8 losses.

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                    • Rick

                      Wait, so even cherry picking the very worst possible range for no discernable reason (what, he was winning with Donnan’s players?), you still are left with a range where the guy won a minimum of 10 games, the very top of your ‘8 to 10 wins’ assessment, in 60% of those seasons.

                      Tennessee meanwhile hasn’t had a single 10 win season since George W Bush was in the white house, hell they’ve only won more than 7 games once in that time. Maybe when we’ve endured a similar run we’ll be a bit more appreciative.

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                    • To narrow the window even further, in those last five seasons, he averaged 10 wins and 3.4 losses. And you’d have to think the average would have been even better had the injury bug not bitten the 2013 team as badly as it did.

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                    • Biggus Rickus

                      Senator,

                      Fair enough. I was still not exactly optimistic that he was going to win an SEC title ever again, and after blowing the East in 2014 I was done with expectations. You may be apathetic now. I was apathetic two years ago.

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                    • Tim in Sav

                      Wow….Richt won 10 games last year. Remind me, I forgot, where did we finish ranked in the top 25?

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                    • Macallanlover

                      Because you judge how you feel by the fools who do polls, right? Forget 10-3 versus 6-6, I need my mommy to tell me I did OK and should feel all right. Jeez, what a sheep.

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  14. 69Dawg

    In what fantasy land does a hands on detail oriented HC not tell the OC how to scheme the offense. Kirby’s problem is he left Alabama one year too early. Had he stayed for this years Tide march to the championship he would have realized that his much beloved Saban has let Kiffin totally change the Tides offense. They still have a great Oline but they are running RPO plays and spreading out the O. The most interesting thing we will see in the next year will be what Kirby has Chaney do with our all world 2017 QB commitment. Do we use him like Kiffin is using Hurt or do we totally ruin him like we did Ramsey by trying to make him a Pro-Style QB. That one decision will determine our future and Kirby’s. Eason may not be in the plan long run.

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    • Derek Dooley 2.0

      Kirby’s real problem is that he is over his head. He should have gone the lower level route first. And left his alma mater with the opportunity to truly find the most qualified, experienced HC available.

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  15. tonyqbr

    To the Senator’s point, Muschamp’s D’s at UF were great, but his offenses just sucked.

    look at 2012 Muschamp’s best season:
    Def #1, sp team #2, off #60

    So, thr gith mix seems to be for Kirby:
    #1 defense
    #2 offense
    #3 special teams

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    • This is in no way related to any point I’m making.

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      • tonyqbr

        Ok, thought you were focusing on how Georgia’s offenses were being strategically planned by whom.

        My point is, as Muschamp found out, defense alone won’t get it done, so if Kirby is micromanaging Chaney,
        outside of his expertise, he should back off, focus on defense, let Chaney run the offense.

        Kind of worked out for Gus at Auburn this year.

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  16. AusDawg85

    Shorter Kirby: Our guys aren’t playing hard enough, smart enough, physical enough. They’ve got to get better. And maybe we could call better plays, but when it doesn’t work once, it proves my point that it’s the players and not the call.

    Tough love indeed.

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  17. Irwin R. Fletcher

    Is it worth pointing out that UGA averaged 17.7 ppg after the September last year? I just don’t know how we can expect to compete without SEC level talent at O-Line and WR. You look at all the misses we’ve had at that position the last two-three years…Demetrius Robinson, Kyle Davis, Tre Nixon, Preston Williams, Van Jefferson, Darius Slayton…Martrez Ivey, Mitch Hyatt, Chidi Valentine-Okeke, Chuma Edoga, Greg Little, Landon Dickerson, EJ Price, and Willie Allen.

    You had huge, gaping holes to fill and the prior staff (and the staff taking over for them during the cycle in 2016) couldn’t close on ANY top talent at the WR spot or on the O-Line. They have to close better in 2017 or mediocrity will be the phrase for the next 3-5 years when the new coach comes in.

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    • Napoleon BonerFart

      Talent is certainly an issue. But I haven’t seen anything from the coaching staff that makes me think that they can scheme around holes. I’m sure Kirby/Chaney will look smarter with an offense loaded with 5 star players. But there are a lot of teams scoring more than UGA is without the players we have.

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      • Irwin R. Fletcher

        But there are a lot of teams scoring more than UGA is without the players we have.

        Like who?

        In conference play, here’s what the numbers look like:

        Name       G       Points/G
        

        1 Alabama 5 42.6
        2 Mississippi 5 33.6
        2 Auburn 5 33.6
        4 Texas A&M 5 31.4
        5 Florida 5 30.0
        6 LSU 4 29.0
        7 Tennessee 5 28.2
        8 Miss State 4 24.8
        9 Arkansas 4 22.8
        10 Georgia 6 21.2
        11 Kentucky 6 20.8
        12 Missouri 4 17.3
        13 Carolina 6 14.7
        14 Vanderbilt 4 11.5

        From an offensive talent standpoint…somewhere between Tennessee and Mizzou feels about right when you look at the O-Line and the WRs. I don’t think there is anyone above UGA on that list other than maybe Miss State that I’d argue has less talent on the offensive side of the ball that UGA.

        In fact, let’s look at my complaint about WR and O-Line talent and compare it.

        Players signed in the top 15 at OG and OT since 2014..Bama 8; LSU 6; Arky, TAMU, Ole Miss, and Auburn 3; UF, UT, Mizzou, UGA 2 (Wynn and Cleveland); UK and USC 1.

        Players signed in the top 15 at WR since 2014: Ole Miss, Auburn, Bama, TAMU, and LSU 3; Tennessee 1; Florida 1.

        And before anyone asks..Godwin and Hardman are both listed as “Athletes” on 247.

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      • I’m not sure Chaney could look smart with the 1980s San Francisco 49ers or today’s New England Patriots. The day he leaves Athens is the day this team gets better. He’s as bad as Schottenheimer.

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    • dawgfan

      It’s a real shame we lost Robinson and Price out of last year’s class. They would probably both be seeing significant playing time, if not starting, and would be in position to really help out in 2017.

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  18. Redcoat Ricky

    Bunch of whiners, damn, this season wasn’t about wining the BCS trophy. Bunch of whiny ass cry babies. Toughen up.

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  19. dawgfan

    I’m afraid that since our offensive line can’t physically hold up against a decent front 7 and our receivers can’t get off the line against decent corners, we are screwed no matter what scheme we run when we play a good defense. This offense is just offensive.

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  20. Dylan Dreyer's Booty

    From an earlier post today:
    …Eason rolled out he wound up in what amounted to a RPO situation that left the Gator defensive backs on that side in no man’s land…”

    That was the offensive highlight of the game, but the way it’s worded it sounds like it was planned, but the way I saw it, he didn’t roll out, he scrambled to his left to extend the play, and Ridley was ridiculously open, but Eason had to make a difficult throw for most people to make so that could happen. So, why not roll him out some? On purpose? I am not saying anything should be a designed RPO; we just need to make a team think it might be and bring some coverage to protect it. And while Eason is no running QB, if they will give him 5-10 yards of greenery he can take those and slide. We just have to do something.

    Oh, and if Long really punts well in practice, CKS needs to leak some video of it so we can see it because it is hard to imagine. I am having a hard time taking Kirby’s word on that. We spent a scholarship on this guy.

    I get that the Process might work well – and we might enjoy it – if we currently had personnel available for it to work, but watching this is painful, and worse, boring. We looked decent against UNC, but all the rest of the teams we play have figured out ways to stymie what we were doing in that game and we have no other options. Or if we do, maybe we are saving them for Auburn or Tech.

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  21. doofusdawg

    I think the answer to how much of Kirby’s fingerprints are on this offense and specifically Saturday can be found in his pc. Kirby said something like Florida’s defense was designed and excels at defending the spread. This statement brought back bad memories of the last regime in Athens. I commented numerous times that we had lost a game in the game planning… deciding not to attempt things that we didn’t think would be successful. With Kirby’s comment it hit home again. Our only chance was to run it up the gut.

    Kirby is definitely involved in the offensive game planning whether or not it’s what he honestly thinks gives us the best chance to win or just part of the process. And that makes me sad and not very optimistic for the rest of the year.

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    • Brandon

      Hats off to you if you had any optimism left for the rest of this year after Vandy. I’ll still watch because I’d watch if we were 0-8. But the Senators post about the apathy was pretty spot on. This was the first time since 2010 I haven’t made the trip to Jax and after the game just shrugged it off and went and enjoyed the remainder of the night at a Halloween party. A few of my UGA buddies were also there who normally would’ve been cussing up a storm, yet, no one even talked about the game. I’ll remain optimisitic for the future because I don’t believe its fair to judge Kirby or any of the new staff yet. If we don’t see improvement by the middle of next year though, I’ll begin to get concerned about the future of the program. In the mean time I think I’ll probably stay away from the blogs for the rest of this year at least. I can’t stand to read posts from so many ignorant fools screaming for peoples heads who have no idea what they are talking about or have never played the game but somehow know all the intricacies and exactly what it takes to be a winning SEC coach. Its gotten old.

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  22. CB

    Two things. I believe that Michel may now be our best back in the wake of Chubb’s post injury woes, and we really miss Malcolm Mitchell because all of our receivers either can’t catch are aren’t physical enough to block.

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