“The most I’ll remember is the guys I played with.”

There are a lot of things to point at in analyzing this frustrating 2016 season, but Seth Emerson breaks down one big one.

“Traditionally that’s the team that has 25 seniors, they got a pretty good football team because they’ve been in the program for a long time,” Smart said. “And when we have team meetings in here, I think we got 11 guys across the front row that are seniors.”

And as small as the group may be, they also didn’t exactly come together in traditional fashion.

There are three graduate transfers, two of whom will only be at Georgia one season: Nickel back Maurice Smith and left tackle Tyler Catalina. The other one, backup quarterback Greyson Lambert, transferred in last year.

There’s also one junior college transfer: backup linebacker Chuks Amaechi.

Right tackle Greg Pyke is the team’s only fifth-year senior.

The rest are six fourth-year seniors, survivors of the notorious 2013 class, which had 33 signees. (Eight players from that class redshirted and have one more left.

That’s out of 33 signees in 2013, by the way. Eight players redshirted and have one more year left. Five others had moved on to the pros or graduated prior to this year. The rest transferred or were dismissed from the team.

(And one member of the 2013 class will be playing for the other team on Saturday: J.J. Green, who transferred to Georgia Tech after his sophomore season.)

Eleven seniors, four of whom weren’t originally signed by Georgia.  That’s it.

Blame the Florida game all you want for Mark Richt’s dismissal, but for me the root cause of him no longer being in Athens was his approach to roster management over the last five or six years of his term.  The infamous 2013 class was a mad scramble to catch up the numbers and it blew up in his face.  He wound up paying the ultimate price for that.  Kirby Smart’s paying another price for it this season.  Let’s just hope the check’s been settled by the time 2017 rolls around.

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52 responses to ““The most I’ll remember is the guys I played with.”

  1. AO

    Hate believing it, but I think it’s 2018 before we get the sutures out.

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  2. 92 grad

    Perfect example of why at large casual fans say things like “oh, I don’t know about Kirby. Same old constipated offense and losing big games”.

    My father asked me “what the heck is wrong with Georgia?” I tried to explain this roster situation and the line of scrimmage deal and in less than 30 seconds I see his eyes gloss over. The problems right now aren’t interesting to casual fans. Sorta like politics, where tax reform is something everyone wants but when a news channel tries to analyze it if they dedicate more than 3 minutes to the topic they’re afraid people will change the channel. So, to keep ratings up we never get in depth analysis, and meaningful reform won’t ever happen because we don’t have the attention span to think it through…

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    • Uglydawg

      92…that is an excellent, maybe even great expose’ of the very root of many problems, from casual football conclusions to complex political and social issue conclusions. People are lazy. It the media gives them a short, pat answer with the flimsiest, yet brief and shallow support of that answer, they swallow it as quick as a NATS student will swallow a bugger. They are too lazy (or unconcerned because they really don’t care) to do or even listen to deeper insight. ..
      “I tried to explain this roster situation and the line of scrimmage deal and in less than 30 seconds I see his eyes gloss over”, would make a perfect Lexicon phrase to describe the frustration that the involved fan has with the casual observer that just want’s a rhetorical answer.
      (These are the same fans that go right about their boring business and forget the game right away..win or lose)

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      • BosnianDawg

        If you want your concept to stick with the masses, it has to fit on a bumper sticker. Unfortunately, that’s the case for most people because we are simply not interested enough to spend more mental effort on most subjects.

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        • Otto

          92 hit the nail on the head, been there trying to explain the situation. You get I thought we had a top class and then you go into detail and their eye typically glass over.

          Yes we had hopes in 2013 that Richt was going to sign more and fix roster management but he didn’t keep signing and the class didn’t work out.

          Smart can not fix it in 1 signing year. Further we should not expect Smart to evolve into Bama over 3 years. Before I get replies, Yes I do want a SECCG trip in ’18 or ’19. The complaint some had about Saban in the beginning was that he would have a couple of great years and a down year. However, Saban now his several full classes to reload. I will be fine with a down year after 3-4 more years if he makes the most of the up year.

          Butch catches a lot of flack around (much is deserved) but he has done a solid job of building some depth from an absolute turd of a situation.

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      • Sh3rl0ck

        It is actually worse than that. It isn’t just that they will zone out after 30 seconds, studies show that they need to be able to explain the idea, including supporting facts, in 8 seconds.

        It isn’t just lay-fans either. How many amongst the commentariat here believe the “Jim Chaney changed blocking schemes” meme? How many hold the mutually contradictory ideas that “Smart and Chaney are stubborn and are determined to run between the tackles even thought it isn’t working” and “Chubb and Michel had to intervene with Chaney by calling for a meeting to get him to run the ball”? How about the “ADGM only cares about the reserve fund” meme?

        This is why so many people, myself included, originally underestimated the Trump campaign. He used simple language to explain things with simple ideas that can be expressed in under 8 seconds. It is completely irrelevant that most of those ideas are completely wrong so long as they are emotionally satisfying. To this day, ask a die-hard Trump support about the TPP. They will undoubtedly say that China is a currency manipulator. It doesn’t matter that:
        1. They don’t know what that means
        2. They don’t understand what “Quantitative Easing” was
        3. China isn’t a part of the TPP

        For the general populace, simple, easy to understand, and completely wrong will always beat nuanced and factually correct.

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        • Tlkdawg

          We received a great deal of in depth analysis on the crimes of Hillary that have occurred over a span of 30 years, yet 62 million could not care less. If you are suggesting that Clinton was nuanced and factually correct, then I don’t believe you actually understand what those things mean.

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          • Sh3rl0ck

            Also, I should point out that I mentioned “die-hard” Trump supporters, not those they held their nose and voted against Hillary. Nothing I wrote in that message, or in my comment history, could be construed as pro-Hillary. I have admitted to being lifetime member of the Libertarian Party for a long time.

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            • Tlkdawg

              Sorry if I misunderstood the post. By singling out Trump voters, it appeared to be just another attack on all of the “illiterate” voters who helped vote Trump into office, something I’ve grown quite weary of over the past year. Sadly, I believe simple language and simple points are as deep as many in our population are capable of these days.

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              • Sh3rl0ck

                My comments are really directed at out understanding of cognitive science. It isn’t just “illiterate” people that make decisions based on 8 second memes. It is about 70% of the population including doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers, business executives, etc. They are making their decision emotionally and rationalizing it after the fact. I am as cold, calculating, and rational as anyone (i.e. I am a research scientist for a living) and I find my brain trying doing this on occasion despite the fact that I am aware of it.

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              • 81Dog

                Hey, “trump voters are stupid” fits on a bumper sticker. I guess it’s QED for the “nuanced political analyst.”

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          • Sh3rl0ck

            Hmm, my first post didn’t go through, but my second one did. I will repeat what I said.

            Gary Johnson’s campaign was nuanced and factual. It got him 3% of the vote. Hillary’s campaign was based on calling Trump a racist and a sexist. This too is simple, easy to understand, and completely wrong.

            For a better understanding of what I am talking about, I suggest reading the past years worth of posts on Scott Adams’ blog (blog.dilbert.com). He predicted a landslide victory for Trump in the General Election back in August 2015 based on the fact that Trump completely ignored facts and focused on pure emotional persuasion. He was right. The entire election played out as he predicted.

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    • Jp

      Speak for yourself and stop the we shit. Do you work

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  3. People have a hard time realizing that he decisions made back during 2009, 2010, 2011 led to the doomsday scenario with the numbers coming out of the 2012 season.

    You’re right: it was a scrabble just to get enough bodies in to practice (which is also why they placed such a huge emphasis that class on guys that would come in early just so they would have bodies for spring). The 2013 class was big on numbers, short on actual talent–it summed up Todd Grantham perfectly.

    UGA fought it off as long as they could with smoke and mirrors, but like all things in life, the bill eventually came due.

    That said, we have seemingly weathered this storm light years better than Tennessee did its disastrous 2008 class.

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    • Maybe it was their 2009 class….you get the point.

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    • Sh3rl0ck

      It wasn’t just that. They intentionally undersigned in the 2012 class because there were so many in-state players they wanted in 2013. That is the year that we tried but failed to sign: Robert Ndemdiche, Laremy Tunsil, Ruben Foster, Montravious Adams, and Carl Lawson. They wiffed on all of the top in-state prospects. Here are all of the 247 Composite Top 150 recruits we signed that season: Tray Matthews (highest rated at #79), Brice Ramsey, Tramel Terry, Shaq Wiggins. We signed Brendan Douglas and JJ Green that year because we were rebuffed by Derrick Henry and Alvin Kamara.

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      • Excellent point. It was an even bigger disaster that it appears on the surface.

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        • Sh3rl0ck

          But imagine what the defense could have looked like last year:

          DL: Robert Ndemdiche, Montravious Adams, and Carl Lawson
          OLB: Jordan Jenkins, Leonard Floyd
          ILB: Ruben Foster, Jake Ganus / Reggie Carter / Natrez Patrick
          DB: Josh Harvey-Clemmons, Trey Matthews, Shaq Wiggins, Dominic Sanders, Malcolm Parrish

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      • lakedawg

        Have to consider that we just did not pass the envelope as some schools did that year also.

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        • Sh3rl0ck

          Yes, some schools go the Auburn route (I’m looking at you, Ole Miss), but that is not an excuse for intention undersigning when you know that you are already half of a class under the 85 limit.

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  4. PTC DAWG

    6 out of 33, D, JD.

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  5. Bob

    No doubt the 2013 debacle has created a lot of our problems. That being said, beat Vandy and Tennessee and we are 9-2 headed into Saturday with a New Years Day evening in New Orleans a viable option. We are not as talented as Alabama…I get it. Neither are 12 other SEC teams. Other SEC teams not named Alabama have had flop recruiting years too. This team, playing this schedule should have a better record than we have, 2013 class or not.

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  6. Mark

    It’s funny, but I recall at the time statements like, “Finally, Richt gets it! No more undersigning!” As if that 2013 class was a huge step forward, conceptually, anyway.

    So hindsight has revealed the class to be what it was. But was anybody pointing to it as a disaster in the making back then?

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    • We didn’t really have any way of knowing that Trigga was a dumbass, Wiggins had a bad attitude, JJ Green would transfer to Yech, etc, etc, etc.

      The point holds: we signed a huge class that was propped up by sheer numbers, not talent. Once the numbers started fizzling out, the wasn’t any real substance there to save it.

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      • Mayor

        I think it is a little more complicated than “sheer numbers, not talent.” For example Trigga was (and still is) a capable SEC DB. He just plays for Auburn now. Same with several others (JHC, etc.). The real issue was character–or rather lack thereof. CMR took some guys he wouldn’t have ordinarily have taken in the ’13 class just to get the numbers up. They could play but they lacked character.

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  7. Wonder how many he would have kept if he could operate under the same set of rules as Bama……..

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    • I was wondering how long it would take for someone to blame Richt’s shitty roster management in McGarity.

      I thin McG is clueless and unqualified. But Richt drove the car into the ditch all on his own. Roster management, the 2014 Jax no-show, the squib kick, Faton….McG had nothing to do with those key reasons CMR got canned.

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  8. doofusdawg

    read and react coaching.

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  9. The roster issues are real. I would also say that we all were ecstatic in 2013 with the class especially the numbers. The roster issues don’t explain the disaster that was the Vanderbilt game this year. Frankly, they also don’t explain the last 2 face plants in Jacksonville.

    Beat tech, win a bowl game, and the season pretty much met my expectations. I have to give Kirby credit. After the WLOCP, this season sat on at the edge of an abyss I never thought possible again … 1990. He with those seniors pulled it back.

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    • Uglydawg

      Agree ee. If we can beat GT (and esp. if we can win handily) and win a bowl game…I’ll be OK with the season. I think KS was kind of overwhelmed for the first half of the season, but is settling into the job..and will do well.

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  10. Gaskilldawg

    Folks talk as if we just signed anyone with a pulse in 2013. Everyone wanted Tramel Terry, a five star player of the year in South Carolina. Alabama offered Brice Ramsey. Everyone wanted Josh Harvey-Clemons, another five star. Everyone was happy we beat out other teams for Trey Matthews and Shaw Wiggins. Didn’t we beat Ohio State for Richard Seymour’s son?

    Had Tramel not tried to return that kickoff in the HS All-Star game, Seymour beeen happy at UGA, and JH-C, TM and SW had more discipline we would be praising that signing class.

    Yes, the 2016 results of that class hurt, but I cannot blame anyone for us signing the guys we signed. Nor can I blame anyone for us parting ways with those three who left.

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    • Uglydawg

      Good points..Gaskill.

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    • Excellent post. I don’t have access, but I would like to see an analysis of that signing class with the offers they had. It’s not like we were battling Vandy, UCF, and Virginia (sorry, Senator) for those players. Everyone also forgets Derrick Henry was committed in that class for a year (with Brice and JJ), but he decided he didn’t want to compete with Todd Gurley and a healthy Keith Marshall for carries.

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    • The Dawg abides

      JHC was a member of the 2012 class. He’s a redshirt senior at Louisvile.

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  11. HVL Dawg

    If you want to blame the 2013 class for putting IM in as tailback on 4th and 1 against Vanderbilt, well OK.

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  12. I would like to have been a fly on the wall for that conversation between Smart and the seniors after the Florida game. I don’t imagine there were very many pleasantries exchanged.

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  13. Dylan Dreyer's Booty

    It goes to show you that head coaching is complicated. Recruiting and roster management are critical. Can Kirby do it? Jury is still out, but he worked 11 years with someone that absolutely can do it. Hopefully, some of it rubbed off on him. I have come to expect that continued success (as opposed to a good season here or there) really is like turning a battleship.

    Kirby could have sold out on winning this year. He could have gone with a little more razzle-dazzle offensively. But I think he and Chaney and Pittman said, “we need to hold back a couple of these big dudes, we need to teach our QB what he needs to do to succeed week in and week out, and take our lumps this year in hopes of future success.

    Dawg, I hope it works. If it does, 8-4 in the battleship year will have been worth it.

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  14. AusDawg85

    Most of us voted for us to have a better record in the preseason as did many pundits, so I’m just not going to recognize this year’s record and demand we go to the Sugar Bowl. #notmyteamsrecord

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  15. The Dawg abides

    The decimation of this class is fascinating. Here is the breakdown of how it happened:
    33 signees – 2 did not qualify right off the bat. Rico Johnson and Devondre Seymour.
    4 JUCO signees that exhausted their eligibility – Toby Johnson, Chris Mayes, J. Rumph, Kennar Johnson.
    1 NFL early entry- L. Floyd ( which in no way should be considered a blemish on the class, gave 3 great seasons and was a top 10 draft pick.)
    Now comes the abnormal amount of attrition:
    1 medical hardship- Deandre Johnson.
    1 Dissmissal- Trigga Trey
    1 quit the team/ told to leave (depends on who you ask) – Kimbrough
    9 Transfers- T. Terry, S. Wiggins, B.Langley, A.J. Turman, S. Fluker, U. Lemay, J. Cardiello, J. J. Green, P. Bostick.

    So, in all a total of 12 players out of the 31 that enrolled in 2013 left the program early, not counting Floyd. That leaves the 6 seniors and 8 redshirt juniors.
    I’m also interested to see if any of those Redshirt Jrs. will be participating in the upcoming Senior day, foregoing their final year of eligibility. I’m just speculating, but some processing could be in play here.

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  16. charlottedawg

    i distinctly remember several folks on this board including the esteemed senator who around the 2012 season thought that the perpetual undersigning was some grand plan by Mark Richt to load up on the wealth of in state talent during 2013. Turns out that signing class was a panic move and oh by the way we only signed 2 of the ajc super 11 (kublanow and jj green)

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