Forget the ups and down of the 2016 season for a minute. Kirby Smart is about to take his first real test on upgrading the Georgia program.
It’s that time of year, with attrition beginning and some recruits beginning to sign, that these two words begin to take center stage: Roster management.
There are always two key numbers to remember, one of them hard, one soft:
The hard number: 85. That’s the NCAA limit on football players who a school can have on scholarship.
The soft number: 25. That’s the SEC signing limit per year, but it doesn’t mean a team is strictly limited to 25. Because the SEC rules allow teams to “back-count” early enrollees – if there’s room the previous year – you can go well over 25 players in one signing class. But that’s only if you under-signed in previous years and have early enrollees. Still confused? OK, think of it this way: You can sign no more than 125 players over a five-year period, and depending on the early enrollee situation, there is a limit each year, which won’t be much over 25. Still confused? That’s OK.
So where does Georgia stand?
… So as of this hour, and with the best information at our disposal, the count is Georgia being committed to 66 scholarships for returning players next year: 19 current freshmen, 5 redshirt freshmen, 19 sophomores, 3 redshirt sophomores and 20 juniors, redshirt or no. (Feel free to go through the roster yourself and check my math. I didn’t count Wilson, or Joseph Ledbetter for that matter. I also didn’t count certain walk-ons who haved play a lot, such as Blankenship, Trent Frix and Christian Payne. I did count Aaron Davis, who’s basically a starter, as well as J.R. Reed, the transfer from Tulsa who sat out this year.)
You’ll notice that 66 + 19 (the current commitments) = 85. So if Georgia wants to sign more than that, assuming the math is correct, there will have to be further attrition. And again, that’s likely to happen.
Roster management. It was Mark Richt’s Achilles heel, the biggest shortcoming of the second half of his Georgia career. And the consequences from it have had a ripple effect all the way into Smart’s first season, as Emerson describes.
For the first time in awhile, the 85 scholarship limit is worth watching at Georgia. It’s not been a problem in past years because of the massive attrition the program experienced from 2010-13, and the program not signing huge classes to make up for it. But when Jeremy Pruitt arrived a few years ago, teaming up with Mike Bobo and the rest of the staff, they helped prod Richt towards more robust recruiting classes, and that, combined with Smart and his staff’s push, means Georgia finally has that roster management problem that most good programs have.
In other words, Kirby’s had to play the hand he was dealt to some extent, but he’s starting to draw new cards to replenish his hand. Can he do the things he needs to do to smooth out the ebb and flow of class numbers from year to year that marked the period from 2010 to 2015? Well, that’s certainly something he should have a good handle on after sitting at the feet of the guru of roster management for almost a decade.
Fixing that problem for good may not cure all of Georgia football’s ills by itself, but if nothing else, at least it won’t be contributing to them anymore. And that would be a terrific place from which to build.
So the team doctor is about to diagnose career ending injuries for third and fourth stringers?
LikeLike
I don’t know about that, but I expect more than a couple of kids are being told their futures might be brighter at other academic institutions.
LikeLiked by 1 person
We’ve seen 1 leave already. I would suspect a few more will follow. Plus, I would assume Chubb is gone and sounds like Sony is 50-50.
LikeLike
I don’t doubt that, but I was thinking about what happens when the fourth stringer says, “Coach, I like the education here at Georgia, I am doing well in my major and I would rather graduate here than play at Valdosta State.”
LikeLiked by 1 person
I’d think the coaches would be fine with that and the player would at least know where he stood. If they truly wanted to run the player off, they could cut off his academic support (tutors, etc.) and generally make life at practice tough on him I guess. They would have to be careful with that though. The kid might be well liked and treating him bad might cause morale problems on the rest of the team.
I’m probably naïve but I don’t see them “running a player off”. If they started doing that, word would spread pretty quickly and other teams would use it against them in recruiting and it would lead to morale problems on the team. I can see them being brutally honest with a kid and telling him he wasn’t going to see playing time and if he wanted to play, he might want to think about transferring.
LikeLike
Welllllll…..he does have three years. Thats what I’ve read.
LikeLike
Three more in my book. If he hasn’t done anything by season four he probably won’t ever. There will be some validity to the “talent” argument next season but after that, this will be completely Kirby’s team.
LikeLike
Hasn’t hurt Alabama.
LikeLike
I have the gut feeling most 5 stars do not see themselves in danger of roster management and that is why Alabama is doing well in recruitment.
LikeLike
That’s right. Most of these kids worry about themselves. If the guy on the bench don’t cut it, friend or not, it’s just life.
LikeLike
Well…it IS just life. If you take a job and it turns out you can’t cut it on that job do you think management is supposed to just keep you on that job?
LikeLike
We talk about Bama’s “roster management” by medical redshirt and running off non producing players but never hear anything about it from any ex Bama players. I recall the big knock on Saban for a while was that he viewed players as “cogs in a machine” and “didn’t care about his players”. Our fans held up Richt as the kind of guy you’d want your son to play for because he really cared about the players and I’m sure he did. However, I don’t ever recall a former Bama player complaining about how Saban treated him.
LikeLike
Um, Maurice Smith.
LikeLike
He graduated. A different circumstance than just being released from scholarship. At least to me it seems to be.
LikeLike
The question was how Saban treated players and did anyone complain–Mo complained and left.
LikeLike
Keep grinding that axe.
LikeLike
Chris Black, Anthony Steen, Chuck Kirschman, Jeramie Griffin, Blake Barnett.
LikeLike
More.
LikeLike
You are right about that!
LikeLike
I am not talking about running them off in the way you suggest. I am talking about telling them that the only way they can stay is if the agree to medical disqualifications, as Alabama does.
LikeLike
Do those kids stay on scholarship? If so, I have no real issue with it.
LikeLike
My understanding is yes they do.
LikeLike
That is mine too, they can stay and get the UGA degree, or choose to leave and try to find playing time elsewhere…seems fair to me.
LikeLike
I guess we will see how much process we are getting for the money.
19 players in this class doesnt cut it. Assume we are also going to get at least 3 juniors leaving or other wise post bowl pre NSD departures and probably 1-2 more in the summer.
Can Smart get this class to 23-24 guys? It really needs to be if we want to get a top 3 class and to have 85 recruited scholarship athletes.
We sit @ 3 today. Auburn, LSU, Clemson, FSU, and USC all have plenty of spots left in their classes.
LikeLike
If you read Seth’s piece in its entirety, the staff appears to believe it will sign somewhere in the neighborhood of 27-28 with the next class.
LikeLike
That would be amazing. Certainly goes down as a big win. Getting to that number likely means that we got some pretty big names to commit.
LikeLike
Because there are EEs among that 19 “committed”, and there will be attrition. Being aggressive in recruiting means the early signing period will be very beneficial to UGA, imo. Always good to know that what “is in the house”, will stay in the house.
LikeLike
This is a good thing. Welcome to 2009 UGA.
LikeLike
Is there a comma missing, because I don’t really want to relive 2009 and 2010 UGA…?
LikeLike
Lol. Good catch and good point.
LikeLike
Oh god, we’re bringing back Cox?
LikeLike
Ginger Ninja > Lambert
LikeLike
I would have really liked to have seen what he could have done without the shoulder injury. So many of his interceptions were when he tried to throw the ball away but didn’t have the arm strength to get it out of bounds due to the injury. That could have been a 10-3 team.
LikeLike
The UK game and the Colorado game both should have been won that year.
LikeLike
Hey kid, you’d look good in a grey jersey.
LikeLiked by 1 person
As long as we’re honest up front, I don’t mind it. If we tell a kid in June that he’s grayshirting, shame on us.
LikeLike
…and by upfront I’m sure you mean a week before NSD.
LikeLike
The grayshirt process doesn’t work if you’re upfront about it, that’s the whole point. You keep kids in your back pocket and convince them to shutdown their recruitment, but if you get a better player to flip on signing day the first kid is SOL.
LikeLike
And now the designers at Nike have an idea for a new look for UGA next season: grey jerseys.
LikeLike
Kinda like UT’s grey jerseys? 🙂
LikeLike
Maybe we can have one of these moments of our own: https://youtu.be/qG2nsqrUla8
Wouldn’t that just be so awesome?
LikeLike
Looking at Alabama, the more of these seem to enhance the level of recruits. I think high level recruits know they can play on equal grounds vs more seniors of a team if they produce better results.
LikeLike
If recruits read this forum Smart may not sign a soul. They will think the bloggers are smarter than the coach.
LikeLike
Not my fault Kirby ran a sweep play with a 160lb wide receiver into the best linebacker in the country rather than use one of two of the top 6 all time rushing leaders in UGA history.
Pretty sure the folks in this here message board woulda come up with something better for that play.
granted, I was not an elite NCAA player in my college days in the early ’00s, so perhaps Chaney does know more than me.
LikeLike
well when you put it that way…..
LikeLiked by 1 person
Whatever. Personally I would have ran play action, but continuing to critique that play falls in line with arguments over the famed Mason bootleg at USC or the legendary non-clocking of the ball in the SECCG.
LikeLike
I provided a sarcastic, self deprecating response to his comment. while I disagreed with that play call, I thought my NCAA comment would reflect the tongue in cheek nature.
LikeLike
Sorry that I didn’t catch that. I need to calibrate my sarcasm meter again it seems.
LikeLike
Well I won’t be sarcastic–that call was an idiot call. Period.
LikeLike
Welllllll…..he does have three years. Thats what I’ve read.
LikeLike
You know you already said that, right?
LikeLiked by 1 person
He’s just having one of his echolalia moments, LOL.
LikeLiked by 1 person
“He’s just having one of his echolalia moments, LOL.”
FIFY.
🙂
LikeLike
Lol. Are we cross? You know I just couldn’t stand it if couldn’t be friends here at GTP. LOL.
IDK G. I’ve got a Samsung Note approaching 3 years old. Starting to get glitchy. I was upgrading to the 7. Then they recalled it and gave me an S7. Then they gave me a new Note 7. Then they took it back and d/c’ed the whole Note series. Idk what I’ll get. I’ve the Note since they came out. I use the pen alot. And I don’t like paying a grand for a phone. So I’ll try and be more cautious when posting from my phone.
….we good. 😉
LikeLike
Tombstone reference. Strong.
LikeLike
The two words could be oversigning and grayshirting.
LikeLike
It really strikes me as very simple. Kids who are not going to see significant playing time get UGA’s old drug testing policy and procedures and kids who NotSo wants or expects to play get the Process/Alabama disciplinary policy. Bingo…. roster managed.
LikeLike
It’s not hard to figure who might be ejected from the roster. Just look for players who were conspicuously absent from the playing field during the season. Five OLs come to mind immediately – Madden, Allen, Baker, Hardin and Bynum. I’d assume the attrition would also include some of these players: WR Williams, TE Davis, LBs McGee, Brown, Crowder, maybe Roundtree, and perhaps a couple DBs. Seems to me its highly likely we create room to sign 27 recruits. Not such a happy holiday for those players on the cut list though.
LikeLike
They aren’t just going to cut people like the NFL. And I hope they don’t do any “medical disqualifications.” Rather, I think there will be conversations about playing time and encouraging guys who won’t play here to look elsewhere. I think Wilson is already an example of this and I would expect more to come. As long as we are up front about all of this, even during recruiting then I am fine. I just don’t want to grey shirt and makes promises that we go back on at the last minute.
LikeLike
But when Jeremy Pruitt arrived a few years ago, teaming up with Mike Bobo and the rest of the staff, they helped prod Richt towards more robust recruiting classes,
This is absolutely incredible to me. Why would a head coach have to be prodded to have more robust recruiting? CMR and Garner sat on their fat a—s and drew a paycheck to do nothing.
LikeLike
“and drew a paycheck to do nothing”
Please refer me to the dominant championship dynasties from UGA history that I missed. I hope we are on the road to becoming that although I seriously doubt it. CMR wasn’t Saban but that statement is ridiculous.
LikeLike
Little birdie said both Nick Chubb and Sony Michel might stay along with Bellamy and Carter.
I don’t know about either staying. I feel its a mistake, I don’t feel very confident that the mess Georgia has on offense (from coaching to the OL) gets resolved quickly.
LikeLike
That would shock the hell out of me.
LikeLike
Daphne, you and I talked to two different birdies, mine telling me the exact opposite. Not only those four , but about Four others also leaving shortly.
LikeLike
My birdie completely missed the nest on these four, but was right on the others transferring. Think there will be a couple more.
LikeLike
Selfishly I’d lvoe to see them return. But as a parent and adult; god I hope not. With whats happened recently to Lattimore, Marshall, Gurley and Chubb both would be nuts to try and return to increase their draft stock. Neither are currently 1st round talent but both will be taken before the 5th round. They need to get that NFL rookie contract clock started.
LikeLike
Chubb and Michel staying! Say bye to Jwuan Briscoe, Rico McGray and Shaquery Wilson
LikeLike