If you could see through our eyes…

I wish I could claim credit for the subject of this post, but the truth of the matter is that I cribbed it from a message board comment.  Still, you take your inspiration whenever you can find it, right?

Anyway, a simple question for you all:  would it kill Greg McGarity and Jere Morehead to get out of their cushy boxes and spend an entire game day with the regular folks who make up the vast majority of the Georgia fan base?  You know — get a real feel for issues that bother us like tailgating restrictions, stadium concessions and bathrooms, ridiculously loud PA, etc. by living through them with the hoi polloi.  And then sit in post-game traffic for a while to get a real flavor for that horror show.

No, I wouldn’t expect a radical change to hearts and minds out of a single day’s experience.  But at least it might not make them so willingly dismissive of our demands for a level of service consummate with our financial contributions. Maybe.

Worth a shot?

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  1. Bright Idea

    You’re kidding, dreaming, or both!

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  2. Russ

    I could imagine Morehead doing that. McGarity or HRH Adams? Not so much.

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    • Morehead knew what it was like in the 80s when he was a faculty member. Rank and file faculty and staff deal with the same experience the fans and students do.

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      • Bulldog Joe

        Yes, he experienced it.

        Except he could park within walking distance of the stadium, set up his tailgate without getting hassled, use his tables, his grill, the university’s restrooms, get to his seat 15 minutes after packing up his tailgate, get a hot foil-wrapped Poss’ BBQ sandwich during a timeout, and get home happy before dark after a win.

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        • illini84

          And destroy North Campus, it was great!

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          • Normaltown Mike

            exactly. my favorite part was the pedestrian friendly practice of parking over every available sidewalk on campus.

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            • W Cobb Dawg

              We tailgated on E. Cloverhurst for over a decade – and, gasp! parked on the sidewalk! Pedestrians walked down the center of the street. I don’t recall there ever being an auto/pedestrian accident. And we cleaned up our trash. It was a terrific atmosphere. Pedestrian friendly, fan friendly. I truly feel sorry for students, alums, fans, etc. who can no longer enjoy that experience. It was a part of all our heritage that was stripped away by Adams.

              But hey, if tailgating in a parking garage is your thing… As Brother Bluto is saying, people like Adams and McG aren’t going to be in the parking stall next to you.

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          • People didn’t tailgate on North Campus in the 1980s. Tailgating on North Campus didn’t start until Adams and ACC went in together to take that privilege away. People could park on the street and would have taken all of their garbage in their cars with them.

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          • funny, I went there the other day and it looked beautiful, not destroyed.

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          • Bulldog Joe

            Neither the students nor anyone else destroyed campus in those days.

            Parking was free and people packed their stuff into their cars after the tailgate.

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            • illini84

              Yea, well tough shit. It’s not coming back so you can bitch all you want.

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              • Snoop Dawgy Dawg

                you know what I don’t see in that picture? Any cars. It’s amazing how having your vehicle in close proximity to your tailgate makes it incomprehensibly easier to clean up the detritus from a tailgate.

                forcing the cars a half mile or farther from the tailgate, or into the decks, forces people to make the decision of packing it up or leaving it be. Other parts of campus don’t experience all that.

                but have at it with the trolling.

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                • HirsuteDawg

                  Not necessarily so! Left after a game at the cockroach in Columbia one night and the fans in the parking lot left rows of trash right up and down the parking rows – Was proud to see a group of UGA students (some rather inebriated) clean up their tailgate before they left – the Cocks – not so much.

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                • Debby Balcer

                  No handy trash cans around. Who is to say it was actual tailgaters who spread the trash or people who came in a spread bagged trash around.

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                • Bulldog Joe

                  Walking though that area after the game, the local ‘entrepreneurs’ were dumping the trash bags and taking the recyclable bottles and cans.

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  3. Tatum

    Put McG in section 600 for a nooner and he’d be carted out on a stretcher by 12:10.

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  4. Any organization that loses sight of the customer’s experience eventually find that their mission has been disrupted by someone better, more innovative, or less expensive. Think Sears and JCPenney until Nordstrom and others took their high value customers with better customer service, and WalMart and Target absolutely pulled the rug out from under them with lower prices and better selection.

    The problem we have as the rank-and-file of Georgia alumni and fans is that we aren’t going to decide to become Clemson fans because they provide a better fan experience on game day or a lower price to become a fan. Morehead and McGarity have a “wallet” base that would be the envy of Apple, Disney, Coca-Cola, and every other major brand. The real product (the game tickets) is held for ransom by an 80% tax-deductible contribution to the Hartman Fund. While there is a breaking point, it’s clear that from the double-digit percent increases in the minimum contribution levels that the powers that be don’t think they have hit it yet.

    Therefore, Morehead and McGarity only have to worry about the people who are striking the mega-checks for Hartman, Magill, and the facilities’ projects. The rank and file of the Georgia wallet base doesn’t matter. You’ll either come to the game and deal with the experience or watch from home where that SEC media check gets bigger with bigger ratings. Either way, they win.

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    • AthensHomerDawg

      Sears was the largest retailer in the United States until October 1989, when Walmart surpassed the record.[3] It is currently the fifth-largest American department store company by sales as of October 2013 (behind Walmart, Target, Best Buy, and The Home Depot),[4] and the twelfth-largest retailer in the country overall.[5][6] Sears operates divisions in Canada and Mexico, as well as several other subsidiaries within its brand.

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      • I couldn’t tell you the last time I actually purchased something in a Sears store other than an appliance or a set of tires. My wife buys items online from Lands End. Other than that, the only reason I would go in a Sears or JC Penney would be because their section of the mall parking lot had the closest parking space.

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    • Bourbon Dawgwalker

      We may not move our fandom to Clemson or Auburn, but we can decide to spend our money on other forms of entertainment. I can spend money on UGA tix, Braves, Falcons, or I can head to the beach or mountains for a few days with my spending money.

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      • Absolutely, but you’ll watch the game from home on Saturday or on DVR when you get home on Sunday. Once again, they win.

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        • I curious about that. How do they capture that data? Do they count you as a viewer when it records or when you actually watch it?

          The reason I record it is so that I don’t have to sit through the commercials. Someone should figure out how to measure commercial viewership/fast forwarding during a given broadcast. If I was buying commercial time, that’s what I would want to know. I don’t want to pay full market value for that time if only 85% of the market I am paying to reach is actually watching the commercial I paid to produce and air. That would make the commercial time less valuable and the payouts smaller.

          Then, at least, they wouldn’t win…as much.

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  5. Billy Mumphrey

    The majority of contributors or the majority of fans? The majority of fans are watching on tv at home, but I get your point.

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    • He’s talking about the paying customer to walk through the gates. It doesn’t matter if you’re a 40-year season ticket holder who makes the minimum to keep his/her tickets or the person who pays a scalper $10 below face on the bridge 5 minutes before the game.

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  6. Hardcoredawg

    Rather than driving yourself nuts about McGariry, I have a simple solution for you- just stay home and watch on tv.

    It’s not worth it to kill several Saturdays each fall for all these crappy noon kicks and the mediocre product that we put on the field about every 4 out of 5 years. I made the mistake of taking my family to the Tech game- what a pain in the ass I honestly don’t know why people do that. Shitty noon kick, typical Ga blowing the game. When we were up by 16 and didn’t kick that field goal and as soon as Tech got off their goal line I told my buddy we were going to lose.

    Give up your tickets, sit back, wait until if/when we get really good and then cherry pick which games you want to go to. Stubhub has plenty of tickets and you will come out way ahead financially.

    I got invited yesterday by a guy to go to South Bend- private plane, golf, tour of ND campus, the whole deal. He was a customer so I was nice in my decline but I wanted to say “fuck no” I’m not spending money on that. As an Alabma fan told me at the 2012 SECC game “it’d be just like you guys to go down to Miami and lose to Notre Dame”.

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  7. Easy fix to your problem- just stay home. Saves time, money, and angst.

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  8. HVL Dawg

    With all your moaning, you people act like you are the only customers who matter on game day. Bitch, groan, moan.

    Sure there are 93k of you being treated like 3rd world citizens for a couple hours, but what about the 11 million of US sitting at home watching the game in HDTV? What about MY game day needs? I need wins.

    Bathrooms? Mine is clean and right around the corner- no waiting. Concessions? Very tasty – all of my favorites are here. Blaring music? I agree on this one- that CBS music intro after the commercials is annoying.

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  9. Spike

    Both PRE GAME and POST GAME traffic!

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  10. BCDawg97

    I’ve share before but I’ll share again. When ADGM first came on the job, every Saturday morning, he’d be dropped off at Brooks Mall on South Campus. Our tailgate spot is right there. We are there at 7AM (even for a 745PM kickoff), the only tailgate on the entire quad that sets up that early. Someone drops him off around 7 or 8AM. At least for his first 2-3 seasons, every Saturday we’d wave and say “Good morning.” And every Saturday, he’d just smile, nod and keep on walking. Not once did he ever truly stop and talk with us.

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  11. The other Doug

    It’s not really Greg’s fault. He can’t get the big money boys to cough up $10’s of millions to fix the regular fan’s game day experience. Sure, he could make an effort, he knows the best he can do is louder music and some wifi.

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  12. This rant is starting to have an 18th Century French ring to it. McGarity says….”All y’all rednecks can eat cake.”

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  13. John Denver is full of shit

    #sitwith92k

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  14. lakedawg

    I really hated to give up two of my long held tickets this year, but the price for contribution plus tickets just got to point where to much. Hopefully with no more increases. Can keep others a few more years, but the thought of watching from home becomes more enticing each year. My complaints are same as most, tailgating keeps getting moved farther away, nasty and crowded restrooms, concessions, and A-C police dept does not have a clue on how to direct traffic after a game. It does not take a genius to figure turning Baxter into a one way out would empty traffic around stadium in half the time it takes now.

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  15. Gaskilldawg

    I have said it before and I will say it again. Those who get paid to attend the game have no idea of the needs of those that pay to attend the game.

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  16. Bigshot

    I often have 2 extra. Maybe they could come sit with me.

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  17. All the money Hartman & tix & Friday travel to Athens for 12:00 starts would cost me is going into my trip fund for South Bend. I’ll gladly pay way above face value to see Touchdown Jesus before I die. I’ll definitely save money doing that.

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  18. Bulldog Joe

    No. I don’t see anything like this happening.

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  19. In my line of work, this is called ‘contextual inquiry’. It is a tool that customer focused businesses use to fully understand the context in which their customers operate in order to serve them better.

    I love the idea, but the pseudo- business space that college AD’s and Presidents inhabit does not hinge on game day customer satisfaction. As we all know, that is just a backdrop to frame TV and booster revenue.

    I can’t say it wouldn’t be fun to pursue this somehow, if only to see the reaction. Maybe submit them for an episode of ‘undercover boss’…we can call it ‘undercover fan’.

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  20. ugafidelis

    There’s got to be a # or a @ you can use here right?

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  21. fishook dawg

    I wish they had to listen to Scott Howard do a entire football game. Maybe then they would try and get a upgrade.

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  22. AusDawg85

    Wait…GTP doesn’t have one of the sky boxes? Hmmm…might have to reconsider my travel plans for this season.

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  23. DA_man

    What you smoking, Senator? Corporate dollars control, not the fans!

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  24. “If you could only see how blue her eyes can be, when she says, when she says she loves me.”

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  25. Sherlock

    The gameday experience I wish they would fix? The fans:

    When I go to a game, I feel like I’m in the worlds largest trailer park and it has just been hit by a magic tornado that didn’t hurt the trees or permanent buildings. The tailgating restrictions are because a substantial number of the tailgaters are white-trash rednecks that get drunk, make a mess, break things, and knock over lit grills… that is saying nothing about their behavior. The bathrooms are terrible because people piss all over them. If you don’t piss on the floor, in the sinks, and on the walls, the place won’t be covered in piss. To me, leaving the bathrooms the way they are is the same thing as when owners rub their dogs’ face in it when they piss on the floor.

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    • None of that happened when people could park on the sidewalk, took their own garbage away and could run into select buildings to go to the toilet. Thanks, Michael Adams.

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      • Sherlock

        Don’t try to blame Michal Adams, SOB, for people acting like savages. If you protest not being able to park on the side walk or use restrooms in certain buildings by throwing garbage everywhere and pissing on floor of the bathrooms in Sanford then you really should kill yourself. I mean “you” in the figurative sense, not you personally, ee.

        The restrictions were put in place because people were behaving with increasingly uncivilized disregard for others and the campus. It wasn’t just people destroying north campus. Being associated with a large part of our fanbase is embarrassing.

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        • Sherlock, my point is that people didn’t tailgate on North Campus until they were no longer allowed to park on the street or in university parking lots. There’s no excuse for the behavior that led to the trashing of North Campus.

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          • Sherlock

            It wasn’t just North Campus. My point was that all the restrictions people complain about were not just random or malicious decisions made by the Administration. They were the calculated response to increasingly bad behavior by fans. If people want the restrictions removed, they need to get everyone to behave better. After some time of behaving well, they will ease up on the restrictions. If a bunch of drunk idiots are fighting and vomiting everywhere, except for in the toilet, while leaving their garbage everywhere except in bags, the restrictions will come right back.

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        • Snoop Dawgy Dawg

          That’s simply not true for parking. Adams wanted people parking where he wanted them parking. Where decks or buildings currently stand, people used to park for free.

          He made sure no one parks on a sidewalk. No one parks anywhere near the stadium without having a big ole hartman number next to their name. I was at UGA when the changes were made and it caused an overnight change in the whole process of tailgating across the entire campus. Everyone was pushed out or farther from wherever they could park their cars. Overnight trash became an issue. The mess on North Campus came when people hiked in all their tailgating supplies for the day and had no where to put the detritus as there were insufficient trash cans, but no where else to put it. That lead, step by descending step, into the hell that it became on North Campus before it was shut down entirely. yes the people who tailgated on north campus in the late 2000s ruined it for everyone, but they would never have had that opportunity to screw it up if tailgating hadn’t been viewed as a necessary evil first.

          Just your typical scenario of gov’t creating a bad situation through bad policy, then fixing the bad policy results with more bad policy.

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          • PTC DAWG

            Re tailgating, you bring it in, be prepared to haul it out. Sort of like camping, leave the place better than you found it. Sherlock hit on it, many folks just don’t give a shit.

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          • Sherlock

            Every year at Burning Man 60+K hippie descend into the Black Rock Desert where they construct a temporary city in which they throw a 10-day drug and alcohol fueled rager. There are no bathrooms, only port-a-potties. Everything they bring in they take back out… not only their garbage, but also the ashes from their campfires and their grey-water. There are no fights. People do not steal things. There are no cops. There is no “security presence” at all. It is a self policing community. It is their culture.

            Yet football fans can’t be bothered to schlep out their own garbage bag. Hell, they can’t even be bothered to put their garbage in a bag or to piss in a toilet. There are numerous fights over god knows what. There is vomit everywhere especially at a night game. It does not reflect well on the University.

            You can blame the administration, government, or whatever you like. I put the blame squarely on a crude, self-centered culture where people refuse to be held accountable for their actions. The culture of college football fans, at least for our fanbase, is broken.

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            • Snoop Dawgy Dawg

              you make a fair point. but again, the admin can do things to help the paying customers or do things to make it more difficult for them.

              our admin clearly falls into camp #2.

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              • Sherlock

                Outside of the stadium, the administration can not differentiate between who is a loyal paying customer and who is a shit-apple redneck that showed up for the party and has no intention of buying a ticket or contributing the University or the Athletic Association.

                Your statement could just as easily be phrased as “the admin can do things to help the uncouth bastards ravage the campus and polite society or do things to make if more difficult for them.”

                Our admin would then still clearly fall into camp #2.

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                • Snoop Dawgy Dawg

                  Sir Angry Man, someone driving to Athens for a game from elsewhere is a customer of the Greater Athens business community. They are buying gas, beer, ice, charcoal, paper products, Chickfila Biscuits, or any other innumerable economic activities within the confines of the great Athens area. My comment on a customer is not resigned to ticket holders.

                  Athens makes a fortune catering to those that visit for football games. That economic impact is not just the 92,000 people who enter the gates.

                  if you don’t agree with that, I would refer you to the many store fronts around the Athens area on their opinion of what it’s worth to have 20,000 fans come to Athens to NOT watch the game inside the stadium, who still tailgate on campus.

                  Other than obstinacy,there’s no reason not to welcome all those people with open arms to enjoy the experience and spend their cash around the area.

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                  • Sherlock

                    You are missing my point. My response to your comment was to explain the perspective of the Administration. Their fielty is (or should be) to the University. For them, any benefits by the citizens of the city only matter to the extent that it benefits the University. Regardless of someones contribution to the local economy, we should expect them not to piss on the floor, throw their empty beer bottle into the bushes, or otherwise engage in degenerate skulduggery. Civilization is only civilization because it is civilized.

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            • just sayin

              Damned ‘boomers

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            • AthensHomerDawg

              Close… But not really.
              Dept. Of Public Works does all the real work.
              http://www.worldsweeper.com/

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            • Napoleon BonerFart

              Burning man has 70k people and 1.6k porta potties. How many porta potties are on UGA campus on a game day to accomodate the 90k+ people? A few dozen?

              While I hated to see people trash North campus, because that’s where I tailgated, I admit that the administration made it as difficult as possible for the fans to keep things clean.

              It’s just not reasonable for the administration to insist that fans treat a game day tailgate like a primitive camping trip. Most football fans aren’t interested in hiking two miles with a 60 pound pack, drinking all day, hiking two miles back to their cars, hiking two miles back to the stadium for the game, and then hiking two miles back to their cars to go home. Can’t say I blame them. If I’m looking for that kind of activity, I’ll hit the Appalachian Trail, not North campus.

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    • Bulldog Joe

      That fiasco (during the Adams/Evans era) was a result of the decision to charge NFL prices for parking, the decision to remove the Lumpkin Street fraternities, the closure of most university buildings and restrooms, and the absence of trash receptacles, security presence, or restrictions on the large corporate tailgates coming from Atlanta.

      On Sunday, north campus looked like all of the Lumpkin Street fraternities pressed into one place.

      This is a great example of the lack of fan perspective the Senator is referring to in his post.

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      • Sherlock

        When I was a student in the late 1990s people still acted like savages. Peoples behavior got increasingly worse leading to increasing restrictions. They closed most of the buildings because drunk bastards would piss, shit, and vomit everywhere except for the toilets. People were wrecking the campus so they forced tailgating further away.

        This is a great example of the lack of fan perspective the Senator is referring to in his post.

        Bullshit. This is a perfect example of passing blame. This is like prison. The fans were misbehaving and received appropriate punishment. If people want to earn their privileges back, they need to start acting like they are potty-trained, treat the campus with respect, clean up after themselves, and act like civilized people.

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        • Bulldog Joe

          As referenced above, there was no security presence to deal with those individuals.

          The additional revenue the university was taking in would have funded that many times over.

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          • Sherlock

            As referenced above, there was no security presence to deal with those individuals.

            There were /are cops all over the place. There is just so much bullshit behavior going on that they only have time to deal with the most egregious and violent behavior. They couldn’t police every building, every bathroom, and every tailgate when there are over 100+K people in a fairly small area. A UNIVERSITY should not need a large security presence in order to get people to act like they are toilet trained.

            The additional revenue the university was taking in would have funded that many times over.

            Yup, “Somebody needs to pay for all my fellow fans. Someone needs to be held accountable for all our suffering and pain. Somebody needs to be held accountable and they need to pay”.

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            • hailtogeorgia

              To be fair, a lot of the cops were too busy passing out citations for open container. We used to tailgate in the Hull Street lot behind the Pike house, and I can’t count the number of times I saw police officers writing an open container citation to someone who was hardly standing on the sidewalk (or perhaps had stepped from the lot to the road to help someone out of a car, or greet a friend passing by). Really focusing on the serious stuff, they were.

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    • Tatum

      The picture is reprehensible but I really don’t remember it being like that in the 90s to early 2000’s.

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      • Sherlock

        It wasn’t that bad until Richt’s successes early in his career and we gained a lot more bandwagon fans Peoples behavior got to be worse and worse. I started noticing it in 2002 leading up the SEC Championship game. The picture was from 2009, IIRC.

        Guys used to wear ties to a college football game (I still do when I go) as it was a fairly up-scale event like horse-racing remains in most of the South. Now, with the game being more popular and commercialized, it now reminds me more of a NASCAR event than what videos show games in the 1960s and earlier to be.

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  26. Alcoholic Genius

    Many comments remind me of that Yogi Berra quote: “Nobody goes to that bar anymore because its just too crowded.” Also, the traffic wasn’t as unbearable back in the day, when you could drank and drive.

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  27. Nashville West

    Many of the comments compare a past (possibly idealized) with the miserable present. I loved game day in Athens in the late 70’s but the stadium has changed, the students are different and society is really different. It doesn’t make sense to expect game day to be the same. Instead of comparing UGA past and present it might be more useful to find the current gold standard for the college fan experience. What is game day like at schools that are in similar situations to UGA like Clemson, UVA, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, TAM, Auburn etc. ? It would be interesting to compare and see if we can borrow some of their ideas.

    PS- The list above is only meant as an illustration. If you have a better example that is “similar” to UGA feel free to insert it in your list of comparable game day experiences.

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    • illini84

      Oh you big bad troll!

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    • ugadawgguy

      I fully appreciate the longtime rivalry with Clemson, and I have no particular love for that school/program.

      But when it comes to welcoming their fans and embracing the tailgating culture, Clemson does almost everything right. Going to a game there is like heaven compared to the largely fan-hostile experience in Athens.

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      • Bulldog Joe

        I have been to a lot of away games and can’t remember getting hassled by university or local law enforcement at any venue other than Georgia.

        All were welcoming, except tailgating at Tennessee and Georgia Tech were in a city deck far removed from a college football atmosphere.

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    • Gaskilldawg

      Auburn, both the city and the university, seem to embrace the 90,000 visitors and it is a fun experience.

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  28. sUGArdaddy

    Doubt it would happen.

    The funniest comment to me was the “ridiculously loud PA.” I can’t get behind you on that one, Senator. We’ve got the quietest sound system in the conference. We need to be turning that thing up to 11. Right now we keep it lower because some of our more…ahem…seasoned, mature fans complain it’s too loud.

    At all the other schools it’s deafening. Clemson is ear splitting. And they’ve created home atmosphere’s far and away better than Sanford. Yes, the music selection and volume does have something to do with it.

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  29. Sides

    If you want wine, cheese, and clean toilets you should be a Virginia fan.

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  30. Doggoned

    You guys are scaring me. I’ve been living out of state for well over 30 years and haven’t been to a home game in Athens since the Herschel Walker years. Now I’m thinking of taking my grandson to a game in Athens. Is the experience now really that bad? I don’t want to turn a 10-year-old off to my alma mater. Also don’t want to waste the money, not for a bad scene.

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