Winning hearts and minds in SEC Country

I’m gonna crawl out on a limb with this thought, but it strikes me that arguing college football ought to be banned to avoid race-mixing probably isn’t the strongest pitch a neo-Nazi can make to an Auburn University audience.

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41 responses to “Winning hearts and minds in SEC Country

  1. Walt

    Trump = Bannon = Spencer = anti-SEC football

    So if you voted for Trump, you should stop watching SEC football. Seems reasonable to me. Turn off your TVs Trump supporters, except for FoxNews, of course.

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  2. Hogbody Spradlin

    Way to stick the neck out Blutarsky. A real close call. OTOH it is Auburn. 😉

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  3. lakedawg

    See that Walt is still butt- hurt.

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  4. I’m not so sure that it matters what conclusion is drawn so long as the premise is “white people are simply better than those others who threaten them.” There’s a long history of that message resonating. Whether it’s used to justify a final solution, Jim Crow, a reality star president or the banning of football doesn’t really matter. Just hit that white people good and brown people bad erogenous zone and you can draw any conclusion you want and it will be ok for far too many.

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    • Sherlock

      This isn’t some issue with white people. You can swap white and brown in your sentence (or substitute any other opposing identities) and the statement would still be accurate. The whole “blame whitey” trope is the exact same ethno-centric identity politics BS as what Richard Spencer peddles. Identity politics is successful because of our silly tribalistic monkey brains. We can scientifically detect in-group preference in kids as young as 6 months. It takes a significant amount of education and mental discipline to break the identity politics filter. Most people don’t have that capacity. This is also the exact failing of the social justice dipshits.

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      • Won’t disagree. However, blaming whitey won’t put you in the most powerful position on the planet, at least not yet. I live in a city where two black candidates compete over whose blacker. However, I do think this:

        “You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.””

        Lee Atwater

        is more counsequential.

        I think people suck equally. That’s my problem with Mr. Spencer. He thinks some people are better or worse than others based on an inconsequential genetic accident. Not true. It’s empirically false.

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        • Sherlock

          blaming whitey won’t put you in the most powerful position on the planet, at least not yet.

          Appealing to white identity won’t get you the Presidency. It won’t even get you the Republican nomination and hasn’t for a long time. If it could, Pat Buchanan would have gotten the nomination over Dole in 1996. If you look at the world through a racial identity filter, Trump’s campaign may have looked like white identity dog whistling, but it wasn’t. Trump was making a direct appeal to the secular religion of Civic Nationalism (“American” identity, patriotism, and military worship – i.e. weak people that live vicariously through our military strength). When he spoke of “Mexicans”, he wasn’t using that as a proxy for Hispanics or “brown” people. He very literally meant persons that were citizens of Mexico and not the US. When he spoke about the “Chinese”, that wasn’t a proxy for “Asians”; he meant non-Americans. He convinced people that identify as “Americans” that foreigners were stealing their jobs with cheap labor and that illegals were driving down their wages. Neither of these things is true, but the average person is wholly ignorant of economics. Trump didn’t win by mobilizing racist white people. He won by getting working class people of all races that voted for Obama to vote for him instead of Hillary. Go talk to some hardcore Trump supporters. You won’t get a lot of white identity talk out of them, but I can guarantee you that they don’t like “hyphenated-Americanism”. You will also notice that they all of a sudden think they have developed an expertise in macroeconomics and geo-politics.

          He thinks some people are better or worse than others based on an inconsequential genetic accident. Not true. It’s empirically false.

          Genetic differences between races and ethnicities are not “an inconsequential accident”. People that are not of sub-Saharan African dissent get approximately 3% of their genetic makeup from Neanderthals (i.e. non-blacks are mongrels). Different Geography placed different evolutionary pressures on the different populations. The genetic differences are because those differences conferred an evolutionary advantage for living in that specific area. The differences are small in genetic terms, but they are not by accident.

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          • If you don’t think Trump used George Wallace’s playbook from 1968 you’re either willfully blind or woefully misguided.

            It’s the same damn thing. Had Pat Buchanan called Mexicans rapists, he may have pulled the same thing off. What trump did was go directly to to the inherent racist biases of the GOP base while the rest of them were worried about the pivot in the fall and it worked. The GOP base doesn’t want to hear mamby pamby statements about self deportation. They want to know that they are justified in their own resentments towards minorities. The Lee Atwater playbook lives on.

            (BTW I understand natural selection, I just think that the vessel we each have is of our own choosing. Anyone of us could have been born in Pakistan, with cerebral palsy or stillborn. What we have genetically is in that sense as much “incidental” as it is “accidental.”)

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            • There should be a “don’t” in there.

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            • Sherlock

              This is where we will have to agree to disagree, except I can tell you that you are wrong. As I said before, if you observe the world primarily though a filter of race, I can understand that you would think that he was appealing to white identity. Trump was playing identity politics, but the bigotry to which he appealed was xenophobia and not racism. I originally couldn’t figure out why he had so much support. Coming out of the Iowa Caucuses / New Hampshire Primaries, I decided to watch every rally and every speech he had for next six or so weeks. As a wealthy white guy, it was a very interesting exercise in understanding the zeitgeist of working-class and middle-class Americans. In his campaign announcement speech were he called “Mexicans” rapists, he might have been trying to appeal to racial animosity at the time, but that is not what he was doing at his rallies. I watched as he systematically A / B tested difference catch phrases in real time with the crowds to find out what resonated. What resonated with the crowds was animosity toward non-Americans, specifically taxing Mexican Imports, . . You are operating under the assumption that White Americans have a stronger identity association with being white than they do with being American. You are wrong. What resonated was typical Populist nonsense rooted in civic Nationalism. This is why there were so many people trying to pick between Trump and Bernie in the primaries.

              http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/08/politics/new-hampshire-primary-independent-voters/index.html

              Go back and watch one of his rallies, but watch it with the idea that he is preaching animosity of foreigners and globalists to the economically ignorant instead of racial animosity toward non-whites. His campaign and its success will make a lot more sense… but you will have set aside your own bigotries to see it.

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              • But I think you have to allow for two things. One, if you weren’t moved by the blatant racism to support him. what does it say when the blatant racism doesn’t move a person NOT to support him?

                I’m not saying Trump is a racist, but racists love Trump and those who love Trump at a minimum tolerate the racists he attracted. I’m sure you could be anti-final solution and be pro-trains on time, but the first part should be a deal breaker in spite of the attraction of the second.

                Two, there is a tendency among politicians to use these sorts of dog whistles more blatantly early and then be more subtle later. You get the racists when you say “young strapping bucks driving their Cadillac to buy steak with food stamps” and then you shift to softer language like “welfare reform” and “wasteful spending.” Look at the Atwater statement above.

                Look at this quote from John Erlichman: “You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

                Now am I saying that race is what put Trump over the top? No. I agree that it was white, low educated, low income, low information voters who basically said, WTF? Why not? People in the rust belt want to believe that they got fucked because of a conspiracy against them rather than simple, irreversible economics.

                As far as the suggestion that things should not be primarily viewed through a race filter, its just too prominent to be ignored. Race is the number one reason this country is so divided. It is the number one reason that we can’t even begin to address substantive policy because everything is identity politics. What you believe about the role of government is secondary to issues of identity. That’s the sad truth. I had hoped that after losing twice to Barack Hussein Obama, that the GOP would of necessity abandon that sort of politics and try to attract more than 6 to 8% of the African American vote. Instead, they doubled down, got an assist from Vlad, two independent candidates and a truly horrible opposing candidate. So now, who knows when it ends?

                I firmly believe though that the reason we are the single western industrial power without some sort of National Health Care is race. If our electorate looked like Sweden so would our policy. For better or worse, that’s just the truth.

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                • Sherlock

                  You keep giving 50+ year old quotes from either before or soon after the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1965. People under the age of 60 grew up in a substantially different ethos than those that came of age before the Civil Rights Movement.

                  **Trigger Warning: This is going to get touchy. If you don’t want to read racial thoughts of a wealthy white guy turn away.

                  Sorry, but the number one, and almost exclusive, source of division in our society (and others) is culture. The animosity you see from whites toward the black community has basically nothing to do with actual racial difference (i.e. physical characteristics); the animosity is toward the different value system held by the underclass subsection of the black community that occupy America’s ghettos. Whites have the exact same animosity for white trash. You will find that whites tend to have no animosity toward other racial groups that are part of their socio-economic group. Working, Middle, Professional, and Upper Class Whites all have different value systems and wildly different cultures. Working Class whites absolutely hate the Professional Class.

                  The native white population has had great animosity in the past toward the Irish, Italians, Polish, etc. The successive cultural assimilation led to that animosity disappearing. England has had a significant Indian and African minority, especially in the cities, and have never had race based issues as the Indians and Africans are completely integrated into the culture. Throw in a few percentage points of Muslims that are not integrating and you get Brexit.

                  Seriously, try taking of your racial filtering glasses and have a look around. The world will make a lot more sense and be substantially less frustrating.

                  As a note, the Scandinavian countries do not have National health care. The other Western industrial nations, with the exception of England, have highly decentralized health care systems. Sweden and Denmark for example provide and fund healthcare at the county level. In Sweden, there are 21 such counties 14 of which have less than 300K people and only 3 have more than 1 million. IIRC, Denmark has 14 counties. Trying to have “National” healthcare in the US will be exactly like trying to expand the VA to cover 330 million people.

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                  • First, that’s bullshit. The issue isn’t culture, its wealth. Rich people dislike poor people of all stripes because of course it’s their own fault that they’re poor. The last thing they want to be asked to do is to help. The reverse is true in war. They send the poor and sit on their asses and think the poor should be excited to serve. If they can get one type of poor people to vote against their own interests by disliking, distrusting, being fearful of, or resentful of another group of poor people then all the better for them.

                    You can give your encyclopedic knowledge of European health care a rest. Whatever the system is in any particular Western European country is it ain’t a hybrid government/free market, employer based insurance system. Find me some Europeans who’ve had to declare bankruptcy because of medical costs.

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                    • Got Cowdog?

                      We don’t dislike poor people. We find them necessary, and reliable. We don’t care what color they are.

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                    • Sherlock

                      Well, you didn’t try to refute what I wrote. Your thoughts on class dynamics aside, you really need to ask yourself one simple question. Which is the more likely cause of White resentment of underclass blacks: Wide noses, kinky hair, and dark skin? or the cultural normalization of crime, violence, multi-generational welfare abuse, single-motherhood, and the celebration of prison culture and low-expectations? None of these characteristics are accepted or tolerated by any socio-economic class except the underclass.

                      If you look at the economic outcomes and the social values of each socioeconomic class, you will find that they are congruent. Working class people value hard work. Middle Class people value practical education and security. Professional Class people value higher education and work autonomy. Upper Class people value classical education capital formation / accumulation. If you want your children to move up the economic ladder, instill the values of that class into them as a child.

                      Whatever the system is in any particular Western European country is it ain’t a hybrid government/free market, employer based insurance system.

                      The outlier in that equation is the employer based insurance system which is dumb beyond belief, but you can thank FDR and his wage controls during the Great Depression. You would actually be surprised to see how much healthcare is privately owned and funded in Europe. Their health care systems are very different from what politicians, Republican or Democrat, propose in the US. Switzerland, for example, has bascially an entirely private healthcare system that functions as non-stupid version of Obamacare (mandate with subsidies for non-profit bare-bones plans with optional patient funded additions). None of them, though, are dumb enough to attached health insurance to employment.

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                    • Is it ok to resent white people because of child porn, child molestation and serial murder?

                      There isn’t any race that doesn’t have an unpleasant present and past. If your going to buy into it having merit for others you have to admit there is merit to the things I listed too.

                      I don’t think there’s any merit to any of it.

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                    • Sherlock

                      Is it ok to resent white people because of child porn, child molestation and serial murder?

                      Don’t forget mental illness and environment degradation. Oh, and conspicuous consumerism. You are forgetting that I hate everyone too.

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                  • And seriously you lost a hell of a lot of points, with agree to disagree but you are wrong. That just puts you on the pedantic, pompous, platform and out the door.
                    Also, throw on some glasses that do see race.

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                    • Sherlock

                      That was simply me tacitly admitting that I know I will not change Derek’s view on the situation. He harbors open resentment of what people. His dislike of whites directly misinforms his views of them. Unlike most black Americans, I have actually spent a substantial amount of time living in Africa. I believe I have a very solid understanding of racial dynamics from a unique perspective most people don’t get to experience. In my experience, culture and value systems mean everything.

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                    • I am white. I hate everyone equally and based upon merit.

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                    • Sherlock

                      That doesn’t mean that you don’t internalize guilt and project it on the actions of other whites. If you want to hear some really racist shit, ask some progressive white people to explain why they think voter ID laws are discriminatory. Keep pressing. They will eventually tell you that blacks to too stupid to figure out how to get a free voter ID card.

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                    • Some would say that the racist shit was coming up with clever ways to keep certain Americans from voting in the first place.

                      http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830

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            • Napoleon BonerFart

              If Trump figured out that America is so much more racist today than it was in 1968, that Wallace’s spectacular failure would be the key to overcoming the long odds in favor of the Democrats, he’s smarter than he thinks he is.

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  5. Ben

    Is this guy for real, or did that sucker-punch on Inauguration Day concuss him into extreme performance art?

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  6. Cojones

    Football and it’s followers have done more than any other social entity to promote racial understanding and that’s the major reason that I like and follow it. Regardless of what others wish to infer about racial mixing, the sport transcends and bridges the racial gap in a way that legislation and religious values don’t. Players play according to ability and race doesn’t enter into it, creating a microcosm of the manner any racially-mixed society should perform. Playing football as a racially-mixed team goes to training these teenagers about the society they are entering as men. Racial prejudice is the most intellectually-evil entity that I’m aware of when skin color is associated by some as to an individual’s role and place in society.

    Not to be lost in the conversation, but religion continues to be one entity that strains the athletic bond from time to time. Religious prejudice is more subtle, more inherently vicious, harder to prove than racial prejudice, as we have experienced here at UGA. Time will wear this down, but the depth of cement is greater because it touches our souls. It is the undercurrent of the neo-Nazi theme that we sometimes don’t realize is taken for granted when speakers stand before regional audiences; they can preach it like it’s racial prejudice, but only because they feel the underlying religious stone in the mind of many listeners can’t be eroded before some of the racial message takes hold.

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    • Football and it’s followers have done more than any other social entity to promote racial understanding and that’s the major reason that I like and follow it.

      Were he still alive, Jackie Robinson would strongly disagree with that statement.

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      • Ben

        No kidding. Kaepernick is another example. He had a peaceful demonstration of his beliefs, and people from the President (!!) on down basically said, “Shut up and play,” as if his skills and talents were only there for the benefit of the spectator.

        Say what you want about sports and bringing communities together, but there are still LOTS of people out there for who these athletes are simply pawns playing out a modern-day gladiatorial match and we don’t want to hear from them or see about their opinions.

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    • There’s football and then there’s white people watching as blacks got the shit beat out of them, dogs sicked on them and getting blown up by KKK bombs all because they had the temerity to want to be treated as human beings, while maintaining far more dignity than I could’ve possibly mustered under similar circumstances. Which was the bigger contributor to the lessening of racial discord, hostility and seperation? Who can know for sure?

      The sad thing is that people can watch that and think that the cops doing the beatings, and some of the killing, belong to a racially superior group. Stupid is truly boundless.

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    • Got Cowdog

      Huh. I never thought that deeply about religion and football. I don’t like Notre Dame (except for Rudy, of course) because they are the media darlings and perennially ranked, even though they have sucked since the 1940’s. Them being a Catholic school has nothing to do with it.
      Sometimes I take the Lord’s name in vain during a UGA game, too, and looking back on my stats a surprising amount of that happens while we are playing playing Florida and Tennessee. Interesting………

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    • “Football and it’s followers have done more than any other social entity to promote racial understanding and that’s the major reason that I like and follow it.”

      I am not sure you fully understand the racial issues that faced football during the 1950’s and 1960’s then….because it was far from some “Let’s all play as one” for many colleges.

      For example, as one article notes:

      “Prior to the 1950s, college football was ruled by what has come to be known as the “gentlemen’s agreement.” Although no policies or rules existed to enforce segregation in the sport, northern schools tacitly understood they would not use black players in games with southern schools. With limited exceptions, it was honored.” – http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/11/11/5090698/the-1953-orange-bowl-the-forgotten-chapter-in-the-integration-of

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