Does D’Antne Demery get a second chance?

Before you get all Jonathan Taylor Rule on me, consider something Mark Schlabach wrote.

In May 2015, Georgia officials proposed a conference-wide rule that was eventually adopted by the SEC that banned its schools from accepting transfer athletes who were dismissed from their previous institution for serious misconduct, which includes sexual assault, domestic violence or other forms of sexual violence.

Georgia officials proposed the rule after it dismissed defensive lineman Jonathan Taylor in 2014, after he was arrested and charged with a felony for allegedly hitting his girlfriend with a closed fist and choking her during an argument in his dorm room.

Taylor spent the 2014 season at Copiah-Lincoln Community College in Mississippi and enrolled at Alabama in January 2015. The Crimson Tide dismissed him two months later after he was arrested again on domestic violence charges in Tuscaloosa. Taylor pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of criminal mischief in the Alabama incident, and he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor simple assault, battery and simple battery in the Georgia incident.

The SEC considered expanding the rule to include incoming freshmen last year, after Mississippi State allowed freshman defensive lineman Jeffery Simmons to enroll. He was caught on video delivering several punches to the upper body and head of a woman who was on the ground after she fought with his sister.

That sound you hear is Rodney Garner reaching for his cellphone.

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UPDATE:  That he said, she said stuff is complicated.

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21 responses to “Does D’Antne Demery get a second chance?

  1. Dawgy

    Auburn or Louisville.

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    • Greg

      Sometimes you just have to say no, and this is one of those cases. Forget what his star rating is and even forget that he might be a “good kid”. That is someone’s daughter. If it was yours would you say let it go? Has Anybody out there reading this strangled or punched a woman? I love pulling for teams with ethics, and I am so happy Kirby said this is not someone we want to represent GA football!

      Gcperk

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  2. Mad Mike

    By way of East Mississippi.

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  3. fred russo

    The kid is 18 for GOD sake why not a second chance? What happen to us. Kids no longer get to make a mistake?

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    • A mistake is getting caught for MJ or even a DUI where no one gets hurt. Putting your hands on a woman isn’t a mistake or an error in judgment. It’s completely unacceptable and should be dealt with most harshly. The Ray Rice video still disgusts me as a husband and father of daughters. He can get a 2nd chance, but it will be somewhere other than Athens, Georgia. That’s all right by me.

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      • ugafidelis

        Thank you ee. He’ll get a second​chance somewhere. But he can get it somewhere else.

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      • barneydawg

        Thanks. UGA, unlike Auburn & Louisville, is not a reform school. Too many great kids that want to attend UGA get turned away every year for 2nd chances on something like this.

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      • Napoleon BonerFart

        Why does it have to be different according to sex? If he assaulted her, then he’s guilty of assault. The fact that she’s a woman doesn’t change anything in my mind.

        On the other hand, if a 100 pound woman starts shit with a 300 pound man and gets smacked, then she deserved it the same as she would if she were a man. I learned early on that if I don’t want to get hit back, I shouldn’t hit anybody first. And that especially applies to people who are bigger and stronger than I am.

        Maybe this kid needs to learn how to control his temper. And maybe he needs to learn to pick better girlfriends/baby mommas. Either way, I hope he can figure it out.

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        • Sorry, but we’ll have to agree to disagree here. As the stronger sex, we have a particular moral responsibility beyond the law’s standard to control our temper and behavior with women. Self-defense is a completely different thing and is a legal construct to be determined in a court of law. The fact that “she started it” is something a 5-year-old would say and is no excuse unless it was self defense.

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          • Napoleon BonerFart

            Why generalize what should be specific? Men are stronger than women in general, yes. But fights are usually about two individuals. And one is usually stronger. If I punch Evander Holyfield, I’m not endangering him or hurting him. Is he morally bound to refrain from knocking me senseless Or, as a man, am I vulnerable to face the consequences of my actions? And why can’t women face the consequences of their actions? That doesn’t seem very enlightened to me.

            Personally, I don’t excuse poor behavior for women or men. It just seems to infantilize women. I have both a son and a daughter. I teach both not to start fights unless they want to get hit back. It would never occur to me to tell my daughter that chivalry demands she be free to assault men with no repercussions.

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            • I don’t have a son, but as a son, I was taught to respect women. Part of that respect is understanding that as a rule, men are more likely to hurt a woman than vice versa. Therefore, we do have a higher responsibility not to act. It’s different than taking a shot at a man … sorry, if I sound old-fashioned, but it is. If I take a shot at Evander, I better be prepared to spend the night in the ER. In this case, Demery was out of line based on the current understanding of the facts. Ray Rice was wrong to flatten his wife in that elevator. I don’t care about the circumstances … I’m not going to blame the victim.

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              • Napoleon BonerFart

                Victim is a loaded word. If you, or I, pick a fight with Holyfield, is he the victim? I wouldn’t say so. He wouldn’t be under any threat. But I agree with you that he would be justified in knocking me/us into next week.

                But Holyfield against me is a much more lopsided contest than average man vs. average woman. You won’t condone retaliatory violence, against women because of the strength and size difference. But that reasoning would require that Holyfield refrain from hitting me back even more than it would require than I refrain from retaliating against a woman.

                I understand your position. My father would agree. Don’t hit a woman ever, period. I just don’t agree. Chivalry, coupled with modern feminism, leads to the Orwellian scenario of equality with some more equal than others.

                Of course, it’s possible that this doesn’t apply to Demery at all. His girlfriend’s account is that she tried to walk away and he attacked her. His friend’s account is that he used only enough force to stop her from attacking him. The first scenario should be a crime. The second shouldn’t be. And I would be OK with a third scenario of the Holyfield vs. 90 pound weakling (man or woman) discussion above. If you attack somebody who then beats you senseless, don’t cry victim because you’re a girl.

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                • Bob's your Uncle

                  While I don’t disagree with you that regardless if it is a man or woman, they shouldn’t resort to violence to resolve issues and don’t go around picking fights with bigger, stronger individuals, D’Antne Demery had the opportunity to walk away if she was all up in his face or if she hit him first. It’s the old saying that “two wrongs don’t make a right.” Demery was wrong here, even if the mother of his child started it and was wrong to begin with.

                  It is still wrong to retaliate and yes. In your example of Holyfield, he would still be in the wrong of knocking you into next week unless what you were doing was threatening his life. If the opportunity is there to walk away, you walk away. It takes a bigger man or woman, to “turn the other cheek” so to speak and walk away.

                  I’m not saying that people don’t have a right to defend themselves. If a man or woman was trying to kill me, for example trying to choke me to death, I’m going to do everything in power to get out of it and live. And all bets are off if a person, regardless of sex, comes at me with a gun or knife. But in most situations, like in Demery’s case and many others, there is the opportunity to just walk away.

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  4. Macallanlover

    Heat sensitivity has continued to ramp up since then on crimes against females. Liability of providing a scholarship and admitting a student with a history of violence against women will make this type of second chance much more difficult. Why take the chance on a guy who might help you 2-3 years down the road after he has continually acted like rules don’t apply to him for some time? I understand the natural inclination to give people a second chance but passing on this guy would be an easy decision.

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  5. LakeOconeeDawg

    “The SEC considered expanding the rule to include incoming freshmen last year, after Mississippi State allowed freshman defensive lineman Jeffery Simmons to enroll” So…..they didn’t expand the rule to cover incoming correct?

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  6. TMC DAWG

    Once a pattern starts with a individual it’s hard as hell to change it . Good bye young man.

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  7. Based on not just what the girlfriend is stating, there seems to be other people verifying her story.

    So, that seems pretty simple. Have fun somewhere else.

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  8. Ace

    It’s worth chatting about this right away and natural that we are forming opinions, but I think we all still lack the information we need to truly judge Demery or the situation – and we always will lack it. A 300+ pound guy raised without a father, whose mother died a year ago, whose head coach that was a father figure that was fired and is not around, and who already had one child from a previous girl with the weight of the world on his shoulders? Wouldn’t make his violence acceptable, but it could give us a chance to know that he may be human after all. Moreover, did his girlfriend indeed get confrontational and physical with him first? It isn’t hard for a big guy to hurt a smaller, weaker person in an argument even if he is trying to restrain her and defend himself a bit. Or it isn’t hard for a little bit of aggression to look a lot worse. I think he should indeed lose his place at UGA if he acted violently the way things were initially reported, but I’m keeping an open mind. Hopefully UGA hasn’t made him even guiltier in the eyes of all of us than he should be.

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  9. DawgByte

    Rule is clear. He ain’t playing the SEC. Stupid, stupid and more stupid. Kid just put a giant hole in his own foot.

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