Today, in Baylor’s gonna Baylor

This is sad.

I tend to believe that the NCAA death penalty is a bit of an overreach the vast majority of the time, but I could be persuaded it’s appropriate in Baylor’s case.

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32 responses to “Today, in Baylor’s gonna Baylor

  1. I disagree that it’s often too harsh. IMHO it’s been used far too infrequently. Unlike a literal death penalty as applied to crime where you largely have irrational actors acting under the combined influence of drugs, emotion, stupidity, immaturity, fearlessness, etc…. colleges are run by rational actors who calculate the costs and benefits of their conduct. Had the death penalty been used more frequently, colleges would insist on doing things within the rules so as to not risk losing the money train. Permissiveness and “self-regulation” in a highly competitive and profitable market will inevitably lead to bad behavior.

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    • Dylan Dreyer's Booty

      The reason the death penalty is regarded as too harsh is the SMU history. They didn’t just hurt SMU, they hurt that whole conference. Even the Big10,11,12, as much they hate the SEC, wants the SEC to exist just so they can make themselves feel superior.

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      • I get the history, I just think that they missed the lesson: it works. Deterrence works for rational actors.

        By shying away from repeating the SMU experience they’ve simply encouraged cheating to be more creative than it was. Its had little to no effect on issues like FSU, PSU, Baylor and UNC because they don’t hand it out anymore and when they did it was for different sorts of offenses.

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      • The other Doug

        There is also the money from the TV contracts. Mickey is expecting the conference to field teams.

        I’d like to see the NCAA force the school to start over building their team. Allow the players to leave or stay, fire all of the coaches and administrators connected to football, ban them from post season play for 5+ years.

        Baylor or Ole Miss would essentially be everyone’s cupcake for a decade.

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  2. DawgPhan

    I suggest everyone read this article.

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/when-you-find-out-the-world-is-against-you

    It’s a tough read, but I thought that it was important to finish. It was important for me to understand how common these stories are and that I need to make sure that my children understand that these behaviors are not ok. And should they witness these types of behaviors they have a duty to intervene.

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  3. I am one of those people who believe that everyone cheats but the stories about Baylor and sexual assault issues is mind-boggling when you read simply the volume of them and how terribly the Staff/Admin responded to them.

    It has gone from 1-2 incidents (which is still too many) to countless ones.

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    • gastr1

      No one should ever, ever forget that the people responsible are just a few links in the chain from the federal government via DeVos and the Dept. of Ed….and one of the things she and Falwell Jr. promised to was review (i.e., try to eliminate) universities’ federal reporting responsibilities.

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      • Dawg1

        DEVOS! Who has been at DOE, what, a full 90 days maybe? You blame her.

        Jesus, you are an idiot. Why not link the issues to MLK or Ghandi? Maybe the Pope as well? Why not Little green men?

        Take your lithium now and STFU.

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        • W Cobb Dawg

          I don’t blame her either. Mostly because she’s too f#*king stupid to be able to think of ways to hide something like this.

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        • I don’t see “blame” anywhere. I see a statement that there was an intention to limit reporting requirements. The only questions are:

          Is there an attempt to limit reporting requirements?

          Is limiting reporting requirements good or bad policy?

          It’s really that simple.

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        • Scott

          Where did you see that Devos was being “blamed” for what happened at Baylor? The point was that she is pushing for less transparency at public universities, not that she had anything to do with what happened at Baylor.

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          • Snowflakes. What are gonna do? They sensitive.

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            • Malcolm X

              Always belittle. Then say women are crazy, have no sense of humor, just misunderstood your actions, it wasn’t rape. And when a woman challenges a man’s bullying, call her a Snowflake. What a typical reaction
              Of an asshole of a man. This is one man who has seen enough
              Sexual violence to say enough of this misogyny. Donate some time and money to a rape crisis center.

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        • Malcolm X

          Your anger is off the charts and emotionally unhealthy. The attitude you display is similar to the behavior of the Baylor Athletic community. When
          You are challenged you go ballistic angry and bully, screaming STFU,
          Just as Baylor feels about women reporting rape. The cold reality is
          That federal reporting rules help weed out criminal behavior. And yes,
          Devos wants to destroy this. So I can only conclude that you favor criminals and rapists,have anger issues and that you are a misogynist.
          There are always men who want women to STFU.
          The post was about an attempt to silence and bully a woman who challenges Baylor’s criminal enterprise.
          I know you won’t understand and change. Your behavior and comment just reinforces the very need for federal reporting and justifies
          Criticism of Devos.
          I feel sorry and sadness for any women who has to interact with you.

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        • gastr1

          http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-falwell-idUSKBN15G5F4
          DeVos, with Trump’s help. appointed Falwell, whose AD is Ian McCaw.

          Note this quote from the article I linked, in case you’d rather not read it:

          “Stevens said Falwell was interested in eliminating numerous regulations the U.S. Department of Education has placed on colleges and universities, adding that many college presidents felt the same, regardless of their political orientation.

          “It’s an autonomy issue for universities to be able to not be micromanaged by the Department of Education,” Stevens said in an email.

          Falwell also wants to cut federal rules on investigating and reporting sexual assault under Title IX, the federal law that bars sexual discrimination in education, according to Stevens.”

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            • gastr1

              So, I’m going to reiterate what I said upthread: Nothing can be done to save Baylor, I’m sure, but the Baylor situation may be the impetus for these people to try to change the rules to eliminate mandated reporting, which of course will result in things of this nature–criminal activity– being swept under the rug even more than they already are.

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          • We’re not interested in your so-called “facts!” The next thing you know you’ll be saying Devos was picked because of her money and not her qualifications.

            Trump picked Michael Flynn to hear classified briefings during the campaign and named him head of the NSA after it. Need we say more about his capacity to make perfectly sound personnel decisions based entirely upon merit?

            Personally I think our entire intelligence apparatus should be comprised of foreign agents who receive compensation from their foreign masters. Think of how much money the taxpayers could save in salary now and in the future when there’s no longer an American government to maintain.

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  4. The Dawg abides

    More power to this young lady. I’m glad we’re on her good side. Proud of the team for bringing her in to speak, and proud of the decisive way the Demery situation was handled.

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  5. Scoutdawg

    Love me some GTP. This thread turned to shit I am sorry I spent time to read.

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  6. South FL Dawg

    If only they could give the death penalty to boosters.

    I keep coming back to this – if they really want to fix it they would put compliance in the hands of an independent party, not the school or NCAA. The NCAA can still make the rules, but the independent party would be the watchdog that would test not only wrongdoing but also whether you even have the controls in place to prevent wrongdoing to begin with. The schools would the cost if having this independent watchdog.

    After the penalties are stipulated, if you or your booster breaks a rule be prepared to pay. If it hurts the conference so be it.

    It will never he like thus but it ain’t life me we are trying to fix global warming. Geez.

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  7. Go Dawgs!

    The death penalty for boosters giving money to kids who need it? Or even just kids who want it? Absolutely not.

    The death penalty for programs whose overall culture encourages sexual violence and associated boosters and fans perpetuate it? ABSOLUTELY. And if Georgia ever has the opportunity to play Baylor I hope that we pound them into the turf. May all of Baylor’s opponents run up the score forever and ever.

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  8. I truly wonder what the folks at Baylor are smoking, ingesting, or what ever they are on. Talk about bad advice, bad decisions, and just digging the hole deeper and deeper.
    Isn’t there someone, who can just clean them out.
    Makes my state of residency(AL) politics look good and that is a sad statement.

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