Hard to believe this wound up being a minor story on the day.
White supremacy protests in Charlottesville, Virginia forced the cancellation of Virginia fall sports’ Meet the Team event and a movie night at Scott Stadium.
The football team was scheduled to be available for autographs at 6:30 p.m. After an hour-long autograph session, “Beauty and the Beast” was scheduled to be shown on the video board at the stadium.
Before the football team was scheduled to sign autographs, the women’s field hockey and volleyball teams were scheduled to have their sessions.
The cancellation of the fall sports events was part of a widespread cancellation of all activities in the afternoon and evening by the university because of the protests. A men’s soccer exhibition was also canceled.
Three people died because the town voted to remove a statue. As appalling as that is, it’s capped by the realization that my President can’t even bring himself to condemn Nazis and the KKK by name.
This isn’t normal. This isn’t some form of “both sides do it”. It’s… well, it’s kind of hard for me to focus on Georgia football today. Then again, I can probably use the distraction.
Get The Picture 
It’s a sad day for America indeed. One of many lately. Being from a small town in South Georgia, I’ve seen race relations come a long way since my childhood, and that makes me proud. Unfortunately on a regular basis, especially here lately, I’m reminded that racism is still alive and well. At work and in the bars, I still cringe every time I hear it. On any social media comment section, it’s evident that it’s still being taught to the younger generations. We can only stand together and condemn such acts, as well as raise our children to be better than we are. Racism will never die, as long as ignorance exists.
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Or as long as there are people around to exploit it.
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As you and others know I was a C’ville resident until recently, and we absolutely loved living there. Really sad that something like this happened – never would have expected it in such a beautiful, calm, well-to-do area that is consistently rated as one of the best places to live in the country. It’s almost like riots breaking out in LaJolla or Santa Barbara or something; just doesn’t make sense.
Unfortunately I think these riots will continue to pop up from time to time, due to the continued political vitriol combined with the fanning of the flames in social media.
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Ignorance isn’t the cause of racism. Hatred is. Ain’t but one thing that can fix that.
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Agree, grew up the same….nice post.
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Should be a lively comment board today. By the way the North Korea story is much bigger than a bunch of dumbasses raising hell.
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It’s a little more than a bunch of dumbasses raising hell. Three people are dead.
And North Korea is a big story because Trump can’t control his mouth.
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He had to make sure we were talking about anything but early morning FBI raids at his campaign chairman’s home.
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That….and a failed psycho-state with nukes. Remember the world did nothing to stop that. So it’s not surprising that now we have this guy in office, it’s a problem.
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You Sir are a complete Dum ass. N Korea is a problem because of like o f leadership going back for a number of years. So please put the blame on all not just one.
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I didn’t say that N. Korea wasn’t a problem, just that it’s blown up in the news right now because we have a President who doesn’t know how to deal with it, other than to make absurd threats.
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To be fair and NOT to support Trump, they were in the news for shooting missles into the ocean long before he showed up….
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Again, I’m not saying NK isn’t a longstanding problem. The NK news in the here and now is because Trump is flailing.
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Dude, they shot a missle into Japanese waters a month ago….again, I agree with you that Trump + NK = bad combination, but to blame the news on his flailing….although come to think of it…everything in the news seems magnified with his flailing. Their would still be news with no Trump though. Like everything, he becomes the story by being himself, which…..yeah
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Trump threatened another country with nuclear war. That happen often in your memory?
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Covered above…..Trump being His usual ass self. Again, not defending the guy or his actions….just saying it’s not only him to the sensation that is NK.
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Nor did I say that. Sigh… this thread hasn’t been the strongest on reading comprehension, I’m afraid.
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“is a big story because Trump can’t control is mouth” – Just callin u out there, that’s all. It’d be big without Trump if they were still firing middles into Japanese waters…..
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NK has been firing missiles for a while… you don’t think his threats this past week significantly elevated the story?
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And missiles, which are much scarier than middles
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I didn’t say that. Yes, elevated, but it is still a big story without Trump. To turn it around to your statement, do you not think a nuclear power firing missiles into oceans without international communication is a big story/big deal without Trump?
On a side note……I actually don’t know if his rhetoric will help or hurt – remains to be seen. Clinton/Bush/Obama all followed similar paths with some rhetorical differences. Remains to be seen if this is just more of Bush’s tougher rhetoric or not (and crossing ever lower bars). If it were me I’d open NK up to the world and allow ideas and information to flow freely….but that’s me and it’s not something I will ever decide thankfully.
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No but JFK did it
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Yes and NK poses the exact same threat to the US that Soviet nuclear weapons 90 miles off the coast of Florida did.
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No. They’re just a nuclear armed power capable of killing thousands or hundreds of thousands lead by a lunatic, whose only foreign policy is death to America. JFK thought the Russians wanted to live so we didn’t go to war. I don’t know about this guy
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This guy wants to live. His way of guaranteeing that is to let the US know that any attempt to run his ass out of town is going to have a very high price connected to it.
Really, if you’re paranoid and saw what happened to Hussein and Qaddafi, would you not think along the same lines?
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This is correct, but there are also shades of grey. Bush/Chaney poured gasoline on the N. Korea fire with the “axis of evil” demonization, then Obama basically held the status quo doing nothing of note for better or worse, and now Trump is at risk of taking a difficult situation and turning it to catastrophe. I only hope it is his usual hot air and back channel relations remain stable. But given the rhetoric the criticism of loose lips is certainly warranted.
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Fighting two wars and dealing with Iran didn’t do Obama any favors.
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I don’t necessarily disagree, but when the lovely Ms. Aubrey mentioned years of lacking leadership, my guess is she wasn’t counting past 8. Being ostracized and lumped into some imaginary axis of evil as if they were all on the same page is the biggest reason we ended up in so many wars and with a nuclear N Korea.
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You are so correct senator. There was NO North Korea problem until Trump was elected. In the past seven months North Korea started a nuclear missile program and now have it developed to the point they are threatening Guam and the US mainland. All in seven months. Amazing. It is all DJT’ s fault. Let’s put all the blame on him. Thanks for your insight.
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Didn’t realize that’s what I did. Thanks for enlightening me.
BTW, the Guam threat is new to this week, right? Thanks, Obama!
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Sorry senator, but Trump needed to say something to NOKO. At some point the line gets crossed and Jung went over the line far too many times. It is rather ironic that no one had a problem with NOKO threatening the US, but when the shoe is on the other foot it is somehow wrong and threatening. Finding issue with the US leadership taking a verbal defensive stance ahead of physical actions, especially in the case of the bellicose rogue entity of the DPRK, is in itself inattentive. North Korea is a big story because of the “Hermit Kingdoms” history. As a “Cold War” veteran, I think I have enough seen enough actions of these nations to know what and who we/USA are facing.
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What exactly do you think threatening nuclear war is going to do?
Remember, Trump drew a red line about NK threats that Kim Jong-un’s already pissed all over.
Our military isn’t in place to do much to protect SK, and Seoul is within 30 miles of 1 million NK troops and heavy artillery. So, again, what exactly has Trump accomplished?
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You have a proper view of things. Thanks.
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He “tells it like it is” unless the “it” is a white supremacist or a Russian. When the “it” is one of those all of a sudden clarity and directness become deflection and ambiguity. Pretty sure if an “Islamic Terrorist” had driven a car into a crowd of innocent people that such an act wouldn’t be about “many sides.” For some reason it’s seen as better to attack America than to attack nazis, the Klan or Putin. If Il Douche’s supporters were capable of shame, they’d be experiencing it about now.
Of course David Duke knows the reason for the moral cowardice: “remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency.” Well them and the Russian government.
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Again you are a complete and morally stupid Dum asd
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Well at least you explained yourself through a mature well-reasoned and factually supported argument. I’m sure the lack of anything approaching such is a reflection on your inability to form or express any rational thought whatsoever hence your allegiances lie with whom you are comfortable: morons.
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I.R.O.N.Y.
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Why do you hate Russians and compare them to white supremacists? The hatred on both sides really should stop. Trump was right about that. Your hatred of Russia is going to lead to a lot more deaths than yesterday’s stupidity.
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I like steak and the color blue hence they are related.
Can’t you keep two independent thoughts in your head at once?
The Russians supported trump. We know that. The only issue is whether trump helped them help him. When confronted with P”utin kills people” trump demurred saying “our country ain’t so great, we’ve got a a lot of killers too.”
White supremacists supported trump. When it’s time to condemn them, he condemns America with saying things about how long it’s been going on and “many sides.”
These subtleties do not exist when talking about North Korea or terrorists who happen to be Muslim. He’s not only direct, he’s willing to make up some shit just to show how committed he is i.e., the thousands of nonexistent Muslims celebrating 9/11 in Newark that he claims he saw but didnt actually exist.
There is a reason he chooses when to be direct or even exaggerate to the point of lying and when he chooses to dissemble and go into indecipherable nuance.
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The Russians supported Trump? You actually believe that, bless your heart. Hence, the current politics in America.
You and your ilk created Trump, and y’alls tears are delicious. #MAGA
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Yep, no reason to believe Russians supported Trump: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/06/russian-officials-celebrated-donald-trumps-victory-geopolitical/
Please spare me the “fake news” comments.
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Yeah, I was all set to vote for Hillary until some Russians came by the house and talked me into voting for Trump.
Wait a minute, if Hillary got more votes than Trump, the Russkies must have helped her! Maybe that is what the deleted 30,000 emails were about.
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Who said anything about the Russians influencing votes. It’s a well known fact that Putin (along with a lot of other people) hates Hillary Clinton and wanted Trump to win. Therefore, the Russians supported Trump.
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fake f…ing news
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If you don’t believe our national security apparatus on this or the 530 out of 535 senators and representatives who voted to sanction Russia for just that, maybe you’ll believe the email Trump Jr. received that said just that. “This is part of the Russian government’s support of your father’s campaign.” Then ask why you don’t tell the FBI that you’ve been told that a foreign government is supporting a candidate AND acting on that interest.
Bless your heart that you can’t see treason when it sits on your face and wiggles.
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comparing that to treason just proves how uneducated and ill informed you really are…I hope you don’t have a UGA diploma, but keep watching Maddow
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If anybody connected to a political campaign received a message saying: “the Chinese government supports your candidate” and not only did they not tell the authorities they actually wanted to see what China had to offer I’d call that treason. You apparently only would if your weren’t voting for that particular candidate.
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please look up the definition of treason…you continue to look uneducated…thank you
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Treason is aiding and supporting an enemy. If your enemy seeks a political result in your country your duty bound to ensure that their influence becimes known and is lessened. You don’t accept help from an enemy and you don’t keep it secret that your enemy is trying to help a candidate.
If you replace “Russia” with “Iran” and “Putin” with the “Ayatollah” and “Trump” with “Hillary” I think even you’d be able to do the math despite the fact that you’re fucking stupid.
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and you still don’t understand the definition of treason…I help many uneducated people with legal issues…please feel free to reach out should you get yourself in trouble…thank you
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From the US Code:
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, ….adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
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We might agree that Trump is many things but he didn’t create the NOKO situation nor did he create the environment of intolerance and racism. He exploits the opportunities, sure, and call him names if you please. But don’t blame him for all this. He didn’t start the fire.
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You can blame him for turning a marginalized movement that was slowly dying in the dark, dank corner of American thought into a movement that feels empowered to march in major cities, and one that wants to normalize Nazi slogans and salutes, without even the good graces to hide their shame behind hoods and masks.
So yeah, you can sort of blame the shit out of him for those things.
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That all happened in six months? He must be an organizational genius.
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kinda like “Black Lives Matter” oh but the democrats aren’t held to the same standard as everyone else
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Are you suggesting that attacking the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency was employing racist “dog whistle” politics? Surely you jest!
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You get an A in virtue signaling
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Please refrain from quoting a subpar Billy Joel song that is just a retread of song by a much superior band with Athens roots.
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Adlibbing to the headlines doesn’t hit the mark for such dark moments in all our lives. This goes beyond the lack of leadership in the WH that lost it’s conscience this year. That racism continues to live and feed off the rhetoric of others nowadays marks only the symptoms of the disease. Deep in the heart of ignorance is where it resides in those we know as friends, acquaintances and family. How do you stand against something so close that you feel you can touch it? You simply follow your heart.
The more utterances that I hear from news media that condemns this public hatred publicly, the more I feel the hardening of attitudes and positions on both sides of the issues. The myriad reflections of right vs wrong, the hypocrisy of religious positions many take ; they all are familiar loggerheads to human progress and racial harmony. Devolving into “Us vs Them” becomes a monument to our own ignorance of this complicated subject. Our surrogates in the football world only serve to salve the pain of wounds from both sides of this issue. Unless each of us is ready to shoulder the responsibility for finding the cure and administering it from our hearts, it will not die.
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Your antifa friends want you to come out and play. Disgusting.
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When did anti-fascism become disgusting? I thought we fought a World War over that.
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the only fascists in this country are your fellow liberal thought police…I believe Nazis are actually socialists
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And I believe you believe that.
Amazing that we’ve reached a point where expecting the POTUS to say “Nazis and the KKK are bad” without qualification is controversial.
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I believe it because it is true…please point out the instances where college republicans have shut down campuses and rioted because they didn’t agree with the views of an invited speaker…this has occurred many times, however, by liberal fascists…as for your other point, did Obama come out against Islamic fascism after the Fort Hood massacre…I don’t believe so as he instead classified it as workplace violence and gave us the religion of peace speech
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Accepting this on its face for the sake of argument, you appear to be justifying Trump’s action on the basis of what Obama, whom you hold in contempt, did. That’s some defense.
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First off, I don’t hold Obama in contempt although I disagreed with many of his policies…second, I don’t believe the President not mentioning the white supremacists by name means he supports them or their ideology just as I did not believe Obama supported Islamic fascists even if he did not properly condemn them as such..
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You say support; I say tolerate. Big, big difference.
I don’t think Trump is a Nazi or a member of the KKK (although his dad was arrested with KKK members at one point). But they’re part of his base and he’s okay with that.
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isn’t Islamic fascism (or whatever) part of the Dem base? Does the argument apply both ways?
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Er, wut? Please tell me you’re not saying all Muslims are jihadis.
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Senator….Dude….Comprehension…..clearly not, but would you agree there is a sect of people out there dedicated to Islamic terrorism? If not, fine…if so, what are they apolitical or something? My simple question for those favoring the left over right, is how is the dynamic of the left differently than the dynamic of the right being pointed out. That’s my whole point here today. In my view, they are both repugnant….
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Are you saying the Democrats are tolerant of jihadis because they count on their votes?
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No…But some here are making that argument for the right, and using the exact same logic, you could draw the same conclusion for the left and groups they don’t condemn that align politically on that side. That’s all. Back to my point about dynamic being the same. How’s it different over there? Numbers of voters? Power? Would like to know.
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You’ve lost me here. I’m assuming I’m not part of the “some” you are referring to, as I’m simply accusing the POTUS of pandering to the alt-right. He’s got people like Bannon and Miller advising him, too. How exactly does your analogy work?
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Both sides improperly tolerated events (based entirely on the conversation above around Ft. hood – u probably know more about it that me). Politically, it seemed like Obama had something to lose by not coming out forcefully against that action. The right was merciless on him, and not sure why exactly. I don’t know much about Bannon to know whether his site was always that bad or not (never gone to look never will) and don’t know anything about Miller. I also don’t know the backgrounds of Obamas advisors. You know more about this than I do, but try as I might, the difference seems minimal or non-existent between right and left to me. Both are clear about those that they don’t stand to benefit from (Mitt Romney’s 47% being the best example EVAH, deplorables from Hill another), but much more evasive when there may be something at stake. My answer is a pox on all their houses. It will be nice when both sides agree to condemn immoral behavior regardless of the cost….not going to wait on it to happen from a politicIan though.
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Yep, nazis are socialists. Sure. And the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is democratic. Why? Because it’s right there in the name. Do you make an effort to be stupid or does it come natural?
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you are very uneducated when it comes to history and current events but keep trying
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It must come natural if he’s calling Nazi’s socialists. LOL.
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please educate yourself on the Nazi party and socialism…I assume you are intelligent enough to do so…
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https://www.thoughtco.com/was-adolf-hitler-a-socialist-1221367
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Strasser is a good example of what Hitler thought about socialists.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html
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You are exactly right , and as always your insight and completely unbiased comments are thoughtfully and wisely written out. Donald Trump is a racist. He is a homophobe, he despises anyone with whom he disagrees. He is LITERALLY HITLER. You’ve said it yourself, that he is no different from Hitler. Those of us who voted for Trump did it only from the position of hate and the hope for violence toward all those that we don’t like. Which is everyone, including ourselves! Did it hurt you to actually type the words “islamic terrorist”, even in quotes, because everyone knows that islamic terrorism doesn’t exist. The acts that some call islamic terrorism are obviously simply workplace violence which has been mischaracterized due to the hatred of everyone who is not profoundly wise as yourself. Our previous glorious leader showed us this truth throughout his presidency. I remember all the times that he called out islamic terrorism when it occurred, or all the times he harshly criticized black lives matter when the rioting ended up with injuries or deaths. Oh wait, no I don’t. He never did that. So I guess you meant to also criticize obama for his oversight. One thing about liberals is they always consider everything when leveling charges at those with whom they disagree, I mean hate.
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“We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides.”….Trump
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Yeah, that “on many sides” is the kicker.
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Really? Would have approved of anything he could have said? I doubt that you have the honesty to answer that question.
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If Trump denounced the KKK by name, I’d have approved of that. Look, I freaking HATED George Bush, but had to admit that he handled the immediate aftermath of 9/11 in a respectful manner. Trump totally botched his handling of the aftermath of this incident. But then Trump has his speeches written by Alt Right poster boy Steven Miller so there was no chance he’d denounce white supremacists.
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Pretty sure the two do not compare (9/11 & Charlottesville).
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I was not comparing the incidents, I was comparing how presidential responses.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/trump-s-charlottesville-response-was-failure-presidential-leadership-n792356
The above link says it all.
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https://twitter.com/gusfriedman/status/896456425248923648
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Who knew UGA fans were a bunch of whining liberals? What a damn shame. If you guys were not so blinded by your stupid ideology you would recognize that there would not have been any violence if the liberal supported and funded Antifa had not showed up and instigated it. The marchers had a permit, the Antifa thugs did not. The media is just in a snit because the white folks got the best of this one. You libs obviously want a fight, you’re going to get one.
And Senator, Hillary lost. Accept it. Grow up.
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This has nothing to do with Hillary. It has everything to do with trump. You reap what you sow, and Trump has sowed the seeds of racial hatred.
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Come on man. I don’t like the guy any more than most of you. But to say he’s the cause of racial tension in America is a wee bit short sighted. Remember tensions rose under the last guy. This is much bigger than the Prez. I agree that his statement was not specific enough but BOTH sides do this sort of crap.
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Trump isn’t the cause of racial tension. He’s used it to his advantage, though, and the alt-right folks who showed up in C’ville are just fine with that.
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I agree with everything all three of you just said in response (and measured to) and would add both sides do this. Obama didnt do it? The left DOESN’T exploit race? Of course they do. Personally, It’s just that Trump’s exploitation feels dirtier to me. Yeah, it’s shit, but it’s shit both sides play in.
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If you honestly see what happened yesterday as just more of the same, I don’t know what I can say. Maybe you can point me to any Obama quote that’s the equivalent of giving Nazis a pass.
I am not naive enough to dismiss those folks on the left who have exploited racism. But what happened yesterday is something different from the usual “both sides do it”. Sorry if you can’t see that.
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Aaaah – tribalism. Ok I’ll bite. I do remember Obama not speaking out at all on black on white violence when the sole purpose was racially motivated(which admittedly is rare). Yes, you win in the grand scale on Nazism, but both instances are repugnant because at their core, they favor an identity based on skin color. If you can’t see BOTH sides use levers of politics to their advantage when it suits them, then like you, I don’t have much to add. Your argument is basically the same as mine….Nazism is just worse. I just don’t excuse the other side for being almost as bad.
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You don’t have a good point if it weren’t bullshit: http://time.com/4403543/president-obama-dallas-shooting-memorial-service-speech-transcript/
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Not at all what I was referring to….thx for your rational reply though.
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What we’re you referring to?
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Derek…no reply button on yourr post. There was an incident along a highway somewhere. I remember the right absolutely HAMMERING the Prez on the double standard of speaking out based on victim skin color. While I truly think someone in his admin just dropped the ball, they were right to call him out. There is no place for any of this ever. That said, when our leaders can’t step up, we should call them on it, so kudos to the Senator.
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In this very comment thread…
And, no, my argument is assuredly not the same as yours. What happened yesterday is different.
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Oh, and bonus points for Obama’s not saying something = Trump’s saying something. New twist on both sides do it…
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I was more focused on what Trump didn’t say, but interesting point. I see it more as degrees of the same thing in politics where you evidently see his notable vague response as something different, not just worse. Maybe I’m more pessimistic in general then you….good talk either way
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When Trump, in his statement about the violence, advises us to “cherish our history” — this in the context of the flash point being the RE Lee statue — do you not realize what kind of message he’s deliberately sending to the people who share the goals of the alt-right assholes who showed up in C’ville?
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Yeah that’s pretty f’d up. So it’s not that either leader isn’t speaking up, it’s the implicit green light there. Fair point Senator. In my steadfast stance of all things anti-political, I’ll say it reminds me of clinging to religion and guns as a green light to left groups. To me it’s the same mechanisms-just this one is sickening to the core because the ideology is responsible for more misery than most. Interesting in all of this, is I agree with and love your stance of as long as someone can gain from it, race will be exploited…..
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Again, I am not unmindful of people like Farrakhan and Sharpton. There are plenty on both sides who choose to exploit. But for a POTUS to deliver a message like Trump did yesterday — think of the incredibly low bar he was presented with crossing — is unprecedented in my view, and deeply troubling.
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Right there with ya Senator
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He immediately condemned this action – how is His giving Nazis a pass?
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You guys are wearing me out… go back and read the entire comment chain and my post. It’s not exactly a hidden secret.
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Yeah….you should read Trumps exact statement….not good. Senator raises good points
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just like the Black Lives Matter and their liberal lapdogs caused the Dallas police officer shootings…..
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Totally agree with that sentiment, Senator. Please also refer to black lives matter and use the exact same words for the former idiot in chief and you have hit the nail on the head, Obama fanned the flame of racism at every single opportunity for eight years (and counting) and now you have a racial situation which hearkens back to the sixties. The difference now is that according to the media, only one side is ever at fault, and unless you are a complete dumbass, I think you know which side I mean. Racism is ugly and misguided no matter who it is aimed at and we now are experiencing the repercussions of eight years of kindling thrown onto this now roaring fire. Your belief that Trump is the cause of this is both shortsighted, naive and utterly predictable. It’s really hard to see the truth when one is so blinded by hatred.
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You’re responding to a comment that literally starts with “Trump isn’t the cause of racial tension” and proceed to tell me I believe Trump is the cause.
And I’m the blinded one.
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Nice insightful response. Arguing with a liberal is like teaching your dog latin. Th dog learns nothing and you just end up exaspearated.
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And yet here you are… again.
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I never said Trump was the sole cause of the violence, but he sure does a lot to promote it. Trump won’t disavow the support of David Duke, he has pro-white supremacist, Alt Right spokesmen, and antisemitic Steve Bannon and Steven Miller in the White House, He urges his supporters to beat up protesters his rallies, he urges cops to beat up suspects, but he’s not inciting violence.
He sure has KKK and white supremacists like David Duke thinking Trump has their back. They also feel he shares their ideology, and why would they think that? Because of all the hateful rhetoric Trump spews.
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“Cause” is one thing. Exploiting those tensions for political power is quite another. The “southern strategy” did not “cause” the deaths of Emmett Till, MLK, Medger Evans and countless others. However, Nixon, george wallace and trump have been quite happy to harness the xenophobic, ignorant, fascist and bigoted tendencies of some in order to get political power. I’ve never said that Trump is a racist, however, racists love trump. Why? If he isn’t interested in appealing to them then why is Steve Bannon in the White House?
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the southern strategy was organized by democrats and their military arm, the KKK
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Nixon was a Democrat? Who knew?
Yes. The kkk and the south were solid democrats until the early 1960’s. Then the voting rights act and civil rights act came along and the blue South turned red. LBJ said he’d lost the south for demorcrats for 20 years. We’re now well past 50.
You’re welcome to suggest that 90% of blacks vote for the democrat because they’re too stupid to realize that you’re right.
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if you were educated you would realize that the south stayed solidly blue until I believe the 1996 election…LBJ was wrong and the civil rights act was met with resistance by the democrats
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I suggest that you look at the electoral maps from 1948 through 2016 and get back with me on that.
The south may have been blue at the local level longer than they voted for democrats for president but they always voted “conservative” on social issues. In other words they were against whatever was considered progress for people of color.
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Wow. Defending murder and racism because liberals dared to show up and disagree. Goes to prove that I didn’t leave the “right” the but the “right” left me, and apparently went bat shit crazy.
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The leftists made that guy drive through the crowd. Don’t you see? Accept responsibility for your own actions you libs! Stop making the racists kill people by resisting their ideology. Just accept white supremacy and everything will be just fine and dandy.
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Jesus. It sounds like you’re pretty pleased with the guy who murdered a bystander.
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Agreed. As the one guy apparently in the middle, that is a f’d up post
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So… being against Nazi rallies in our own country makes someone a “whiny liberal”? Seriously, FUCK you. I’ll bet you would have been a fifth columnist while real patriots fought Nazis. Do you know what “antifa” stands for? Anti fascists. And there are all kinds of videos showing the “alt right” fascists bringing in clubs, helmets, and shields, just like the original fucking brownshirts brought to their rallies. So STFU with trying to blame it on anyone else, you goddamn Nazi apologist.
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If you can’t specifically condemn the Klan or white supremacists, you’ve got a problem. If you’re the president of the USA, you’ve got a very serious problem.
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When did this become a political site. Thanks for ruining my Sunday more than the news. I used to come here for relief.
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Snowflake needs a safe space.
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You aren’t forced to read much less comment. Start your own blog and feel free to choose the topics you like. Last I checked this is a free site so you didn’t sign up for anything and aren’t owed anything. If one of the Senator’s posts aren’t my thing I have found that using the “previous” and “next” buttons solve my problem. You’re welcome!
Why is free speech so important to people until the second that it isn’t speech they want to hear?
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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It’s not a political site.
The post is self-explanatory. That’s what happens sometimes when your blogger is a normal human being.
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Better get on that automated blogger v2.5 STAT Senator…can’t have these…feelings….floating around
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Since when can a UGA fan consider themselves a normal human being?
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I’ve been waiting for somebody to blame Bobo.
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Now that’s some comic relief right there. Thanks to both of you!
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Things will only get worse. When the U.S. government implodes in approx. 25 years, Weimar will look like a picnic. When the U.S. goes, Europe will go as well as the entire world. The 20’s and 30’s will again be manifest. The balkanization of the U.S. will follow, preceded by a civil war like that of the Bolshevik/White Guardist war of the Russian revolution of the early 20’s, in which one side will try to kill as many of the opposing side as possible. The U.S. is for all intents and purposes a corpse and the rot has set in and there is no turning back. As V.I. Lenin stated, “There are decades when nothing happens and there are weeks when decades happen.”
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And here I thought we were going to be great again.
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I only hope Georgia’s won a national title before then… too soon?
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You’re good, every 38 years…we are due in ’18…..unless NOKO obliterates us.
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Europe will go first – then us
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My dad said twenty years ago that if the country didn’t come together soon we would end up fighting like the Serbs and Croats. I hope you and him aren’t right for my children’s sake.
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I fear for your grandchildren’s sake. Your father was right. History will prove him out.
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Thanks for the post, Senator.
Don’t let the trolls get to you.
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I love the poorly educated.
https://twitter.com/nwarikoo/status/896721694647353344
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It looks like she could have figured a way out of Western Kentucky and into a Harvard education to better herself. Yeah, she’s probably just another one clinging to her guns and religion.
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I heard Trump supporters think college educations are bad.
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I heard they talked about that kind of thing at Bernie Sanders rallys.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/republicans-colleges-universities-bad-country-poll-trump-education-american-idiots-a7842166.html
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I started to open it and then saw “idiots” and “polls” in the text. Polls haven’t meant much since the last election. Thanks, but I’ll pass.
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Oh, you’re one of those people that doesn’t believe in polls. That explains a lot.
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I voted for Trump. I have an undergraduate degree from UGA, 4 years of Doctorate work, and 4 years of post doctorate work. How does that compare to your education Walt?
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I have a Ph.D. from UGA and 3 years as a post doc at an EPA lab. So I guess we’re pretty close education wise. Although it took me about 7 years to get my Ph.D, because I worked the entire time. I had several semesters with research hours just to stay active.
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Not bad. Sorry you’re not a real doctor though. (MD). Just fucking with you Walt. Have a good day.
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I say the same thing about not being a real doctor. I am not in academia, and I don’t let people call me doctor. Well, some people do it just to mess with me.
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You worked long and hard for the degree. You deserve to have “Dr” on your name and, of all people, you should embrace the title, especially since it’s in the science field.
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Thought this was a sports site.
Disappointed in this kind of article.
Would deem it malformed.
Short memory and selected memory. Most of us remember Baton Rouge, Ferguson, Dallas, and many others. Now there is a new President, the liberal left wants to have their moment.
No reason or logic, except pure evil or hatred, would drive someone to murder people in a protest. The left signs off of a murder in North Korea, but get their panties in a wad for a protest to retain a statue. There are a lot of symbols and past culture in America. Perhaps some Japanese should drive a car into a theatre the next time there is a Pearl Harbor movie or Hacksaw Ridge movie or some Germans when there is a Fury.
Unfortunately the liberal left has moved to past ignorance to murder. No one excites race, gender, and hatred than the liberal progressive media.
North Korea is a military outpost for China. Has been since Truman. Like China said, launch those missiles Kim and you stand alone…against India, Japan, Australia, Canada, Britain,, and USA…and the Hammer of Eden, Israel. Those subs sit posed listening and ready to spin up those tubs.
China has to decide if it wants to give back its economic gains in past three decades to a lune and murderer. If he launches against Guam, and rest assure those subs and aircraft are not there, well, China and its changing middle class go down the tubs, too.
WTO, American cotton growers and ranchers would be glad…China would be out.
Look at the geography and the latitude China sits on. It can not produce enough food and fiber. They can write of their ownership in Smithfield Foods and some other things…nationalize their US holdings.
But no more “graduated pressure” strategy like we have seen from Truman [two Koreas], Kennedy, Johnson, [Cuba and Vietnam], Carter, [a continuous of those], Bush I [Iraq], Clinton, [North Korea / China], Bush II [Afghanistan], Obama / Clinton, [Iranian cash, nuke buildup / Russia]. All the time many in Virginia suffer [except Norfolk and DC surburb for millions of Fed employees].
History can not be erased, not than much ignorance.
Contrary to what the liberal media want to believe and act on race and gender are much better, and most folks understand that and go about that their lives that way.
The days of graduated pressure strategy is ending. Can not allow rogue leaders in Syria, Iraq, North Korea, and Iran to set fire to the world like Hitler and other did in the past. Kim’s days are numbered like the liberal media.
Check that November 2016 election map and a map of North Korea…blue Pacific coast and northeast and dark North Korea…a lot of parallel.
Waiting for pink PETA to show up one day in Athens to protest UGA as a mascot.
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Will, it’s reassuring to see that your grasp of world politics is on the same level as your grasp of college football.
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If you want to erase history, we can put you in the same category as ISIS. They did the same with the religious statues and artifacts in the countries they occupied. Maybe you should reevaluate your position. R. E. Lee was one of the most honorable Generals in the War. Nothing wrong with honoring him and his role in a terrible war.
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I don’t want to erase history, William. Lee deserves to be remembered, not honored. The appropriate setting for statues like these are in museums where we can be reminded of the terrible war you mention, rather than as public displays of support as to the cause of that war.
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Bingo…..
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When a relative in Sowega was aghast at the removal of statues in NOLA, I suggested that they request them to be moved to the Confederate Museum in Fitzgerald, Ga.. They thought it was a good idea. Looks like they can get a statue garden if they anticipate removals in the near future.
As to honoring Lee, don’t we honor those for bravery who are fighting for their country, no matter the depicting of the moral reasoning of their country to have warred or not? We honor brave police for doing their duty, no matter the moral substance of the cause that they confront for us all. McCain was honored for bombing innocent civilians in some of his countrymen’s minds while many of us felt he should be honored for doing his duty.
We honor and remember them all; however, if modern society sees that statue as a stick in the eye to another part of our citizenry, it should be removed from the public eye and retired to a museum.
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Lee’s a hero because he surrendered. Whatever. I like heroes who didn’t surrender.
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Somehow, that’s a familiar sentiment. Just can’t place where I’ve heard it.
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displays of support as to the cause of that war……
Oh, you mean states rights, since that, and not slavery, was at the core of the beginning of the civil war,
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I’m sure you believe that, but for the truth of the matter, go back to the words of the men who began the war, preserved very clearly in the declarations of secession published by each state. You can find many of them here: https://www.civilwar.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states
Mississippi’s statements are most illuminating, containing phrases such as “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery” and “…a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.” Even our own state of Georgia made reference to their primary motivation, beginning with the opening paragraph, where they say: “For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.”
“States’ rights” as a vague concept may very well have been a motivation for many of the common soldiers who took up arms against their home country, but for the men of power who made the decision to begin the war in the first place, it is very obvious that thy were concerned only with one particular right: their right to own, sell, and buy other human beings as chattel.
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It’s even money he doesn’t believe it and was just trolling for a response.
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You might be right, but as someone who lives in the South, I’m sure you’re aware of the contortions and half-truths people embrace in order to hold on the the myth that the Confederacy was better than it actually was.
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You’re halfway to the truth. Yes, slavery was a primary reason several states seceded. But the Confederacy didn’t start the war. Lincoln started the war to preserve the Union, not to abolish slavery. If the Confederacy seceded because of taxes, or the electoral college, Lincoln still would have gone to war.
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“R. E. Lee was one of the most honorable Generals in the War.”
So true because “White supremacy does not ‘violate’ Lee’s ‘most fundamental convictions.’ White supremacy was one of Lee’s most fundamental convictions.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/
Some say he’s a regular Raymond Shaw.
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Yep. We have the right to thank for the gains we’ve made in gender and race issues. The left accomplished nothing in this regard.
The voting rights act? Conservative supported it.
The civil rights act? Conservatives supported it.
Emancipation? Conservatives supported it.
You can always count on positive change for the future from those who cling nightly to the past.
When was America great? Ask trump. He says about 1900. No african American voters. No female voters. Just white male power. Yep: WHITE POWER!!! When American was great it was because of white, male power.
That’s something you’ll never read in the liberal media. For that you go to stormfront.com.
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You are a fucking moron.
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That was for Trane
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A very wordy one.
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Sorry for dusting off this tired old meme guys, but it definitely fits here.
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I’ve said it before — I sometimes wonder if Will’s a performance artist. If you look at him as a very skilled troll, his posting is impressive.
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True. I love the format. I take turns reading it in my minds James Earl Jones voice, or the mechanical Steven Hawking.
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God I really want to meet you. Your brain intrigues the hell out of me.
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Amen, Senator. Amen.
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In the words of that great Los Angles philosopher Rodney King “Can’t we all just get along.” No one seems to want to solve the problem, everybody just wants to win the argument. Say what you will politicians on both sides use the feelings of divide in this country to advance their political careers. We the unwilling are lead by the unknowing and right now we are being lead, by all the government not just the president, down a very dark road.
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I swear, what in the hell takes over otherwise normal people? Yes, the altercation yesterday was awful but the focus is on what trump didn’t say? Christ, everyone needs to relax and do what they can in their surroundings to stand up for right and wrong. What they yap about in the federal government is complete bullshit. Yep, all of them. We need to start over and some of us hope that the general public will begin to agree.
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Ya’ll correct me if I am wrong. Did I not see both sides wearing armour and shooting pepper spray at the rally? If I am wrong then I apologize. Maybe all these idiots and criminals could meet in an open field in the middle of Iowa and settle it once and for all. I think a couple posters on here would join them for sure. Limbaugh could lead the redneck forces forward and Soras could lead the antifa and really get his money’s worth. Calling someone else a dumbass on here just shows your ignorance and bitterness towards the other side. Let’s get down to the real problems in this world. We lost to Vanderbilt and Yankee Tech. We never should have fired Ray Goff!!!
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From the annals of both sides do it…
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Man that’s just “heritage not hate.” If we can’t honor our history of racial violence and anti-semitism, don’t we lose a big part of who we are?
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the largest group of anti-semites in this country are pro Palestinian liberal college students…there is also a large non-Christian religious group in the middle east and Europe who also aren’t fond of the Jewish state
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Show me your flyer proving that it even exists much less is a larger movement than the neo Nazis.
Btw: there is a huge difference between an anti-Semite and an anti-Zionist.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/29/opinion/the-bds-movement-and-anti-semitism-on-campus.html … and there is no difference between an anti-semite and an anti-zionist….one organization just tries to hide their bigotry
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Did you even read the article you linked?
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I read it and also understand that there were ghetto bosses in Warsaw who were also Jewish…deciding who in their blocks would be getting on the train…just because foolish young people join a group of people who are decidedly anti-semetic does not legitimize the ant-semetic origin of the group
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“there is no difference between an anti-semite and an anti-zionist”
For you to compare this to the Holocaust is vile.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/macron-hosts-netanyahu-condemns-anti-zionism-as-anti-semitism/2017/07/16/dfba544a-ca1f-40f9-82e6-98575393798c_story.html?utm_term=.f9e4b2f29ee6
tell it to Macron and Netanyahu… and the only vileness I see here is you trying to link Trump *and his supporters) to these murders…that is truly vile but it is what i come to expect from a raging progressive
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Nice dodge. I don’t see either one comparing Jewish kids to kapos. (Our Ambassador to Israel has, though, if you’re looking for that moral edge against a “raging progressive”, LOL.)
One of Trump’s supporters did murder someone yesterday. Maybe you missed that.
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Why does Trump’s administration support Israel much stronger than Obama’s? Why does Trump have his Jewish son-in-law in his inner circle of closest advisors?
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Are you really trotting out a “some of his best friends are Jewish” defense? Oy.
You are the kind of person who simply cannot understand why Jews haven’t abandoned the Democratic Party in droves and there’s no way I can enlighten you.
Anyway, what does any of that have to do with the poster?
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It was in response to Elad Nehorai’s comments which are part of the poster and your post. Once again, I don’t see how a president could hold Jews in such low esteem when he is such a staunch defender of the Jewish nation and has his Jewish son-in-law as one of his supporters. My questions to you were legitimate based on what you posted.
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Yes, if there’s one thing about Donald Trump, it’s that he holds Jews in high regard.
While we’re on the subject of Trump’s close advisors, let’s not forget Steve Bannon.
If Christian evangelicals weren’t so supportive of Israel (for reasons that have nothing to do with Judaism, other than when our mass conversion takes place), the Republican Party wouldn’t give two shits about the place.
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Really. Both of the links are to the same NY Times article. I wish I had’nt wasted my time. I’ll say this for Trump, at least he didn’t attend the church of “God Damn America”.
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Fixed the second link; thanks for catching that.
As for Trump attending church, he was too busy grabbing pussy for that.
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Ok Senator, that hits a little close to home. 😎
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Snowflakes versus Nazis. One side puts out flyers and some of the other side comes fully prepared for all out war. That is what this country is coming too and all anyone in here wants to do is prove to some other poster that they are a dumbass. How is that working out for the country? All this thread is showing is one person can say I am gonna take my football, I mean blog, and go home if you disagree with me. Is the Senator right? Sure he is. Is he helping whatsoever to solve anything? Nope. No more than anyone at Fox or CNN are. Let’s solve problems instead of pointing fingers at someone else. Only God can sort all this out at this point and time. My name is Craig McDuffie. I am an old guy trying to stay one step ahead of cancer and hang around long enough to meet and watch my granddaughter grow starting in November. If anyone would like to email me and thoughtfully talk about solutions or even college football regardless of who their favorite team is then cmc2010@live.com is my email address. Let’s just start there and work our way up.
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Wow. Craig, I am truly sorry if that’s how my post comes across to you. I’m not running anybody off for disagreeing with me, or showering me with insults, and I’m not shutting down the blog in a fit of pique. I’m just shook up about what happened yesterday and couldn’t stay silent about it. And in my opinion, which you appear to disagree with, discussing the problem openly is the first step towards solving it. Staying silent sure doesn’t help.
Sorry to hear about your cancer worries. I had my bout three years ago and keep my fingers crossed that it was a one-time thing. Enjoy your granddaughter.
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No Senator I think you misunderstood me. I just think both so called sides have way too many nuts in them. I am middle ground in America and there are plenty of us who would never even remotely think of showing up at a rally and intentionally go to hurt someone. I just hate that this topic has finally invaded one of the last places I could go online to read about sports and not have left and right loons drone on and on about how right they are. Maybe the people in the middle are the right ones? Please just stick to college football from now on because I think you can see this thread is solving exactly nothing. NO ONE can ever get the last word in even though they all think they can. I am so glad you have beaten your cancer so far and may we all live long enough to see the next Georgia football national championship. How about that? That ensures us a long lifetime huh? lol…
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I have no doubt of that, either.
But until yesterday, I had no doubt that any President of mine would avoid condemning Nazis and the KKK by name.
And, again, I didn’t write the post with the purpose of solving something. I wrote it because what happened bothered me greatly. I can’t promise that I won’t do it again if another event strikes me in a similar way, either.
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Senator if you think anything you say on here will solve anything about Trump then have at it. Bugs Bunny would have been a better candidate than either choice we had last election.You have a long row to hoe as they said back in the old days. +1 if you win this thread today or ever.
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I’m not looking to win a thread, friend. I’m upset and wanted to vent. Don’t see how that makes me different from anybody else expressing themselves here.
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If what happened yesterday does not upset someone then they are heartless. We are headed down a slippery slope. No one thought the Roman Empire could ever be overthrown either. Only difference is America is being ruined from within. Russia, China, North Korea, Iran and countries like them are not having to lift a finger. We are doing the dirty work for them.
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On that, sadly, I tend to agree with you.
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Well, Rome was ruined from within before the barbarians…..just sayin’. And agree with u, it’s internal, not external.
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And if this had been a rally organized by a revolutionary group like the Black Panthers, and a panther drove into a group of white protesters killing one, do you honestly believe Trump would have decried the violence on both sides?
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It was a sad day. The white supremacist weren’t the only hate group involved in the events of the day. Our President denounced all sides of hate.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson
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What about 32 year old women walking down the street?
Or a prayer group in Charleston?
Or a pizza parlor in DC with no basement?
Really tired of this “both sides do it” nonsense. One side is out there preaching that “globalists” are trying to exterminate “real Americans” and in league with the Devil. And fhat directly leads to people getting killed.
Someone who can’t denounce that / no matter WHAT the hell else might be going on / stands with Evil.
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your argument is violence is only perpetuated by the right, and only properly denounced by the left?
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No, my argument is that “both sides do it” is a copout. It doesn’t matter if “both sides do it.”
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Correct. But when each side only points out when the other does it, then don’t expect any sympathy to “your” side. To the Senator’s point, the fact we can’t agree as a nation on condemning Nazis is just nuts. But it is also nuts we can’t condemn intimidation at polling stations. It’s all the same political bullshit, and we just sink into the abyss. Maybe if someone on the left had some real leadership, you might win over peeps in the middle like yours truly. Instead of bitching about the other guy, own your own shit, and fix it, which is what leaders do. Then, the people will come. P.S. I’m not holding my breath for either party to do this.
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Damn.
This isn’t politics as usual. This isn’t even politics, not in the usual sense of the rhetorical give-and-take of defining issues and solutions to craft public policy.
This isn’t the first time our President has signaled Nazis that he’s one of them. It’s just the first time he’s done it over a dead body.
And if you can’t see a bridge has been crossed because you’re pissed off that ineffective leadership from the Left/Right helps make this possible, well then, you’d have a point, but you would seem to have missed The Point.
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I’ve agreed with the Senator that this is indeed troubling and it is a new low…go check. Your entire argument boils down to this time, it’s just different. Shit, we’ve lied over dead bodies forever, including the last admin too. And the same people flipping out now didn’t say shit then (to be clear I’m talking public figures, not us). Until it is not about which side gains, and becomes about right/wrong we all lose. And that is The Point I’m making.
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Or the store owner in Furgeson, or the grandmother in Baltimore…
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So, was the young woman who died a patriot or a tyrant?
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All sides. It’s like a polyhedron.
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I agree, the President needs to act presidential and decry organizations and members who support violence (such as murder) to achieve their aims. By failing to call this out, Trump as a president is no better than Obama as a president for refusing to label Islamic Extremists as such.
As for what is going on with regard to race relations, if there is profit or power to be obtained from it, it will continue to exist. The terminology has become so watered down that if I disagree with your point of view I am labeled by you. Racist, sexist, homophobe, etc. Unfortunately, this puts people in the same spectrum as those who advocate violence. When this occurs, rational conversation becomes problematic. We see it in the political spectrum as well right now. If you aren’t liberal enough, you aren’t part of the left. If you aren’t conservative enough, you aren’t part of the right. There is a real reason there are more and more independents. It isn’t because they are truly independent, it’s because they don’t want to be labeled and attacked. If we truly want to see change, those in political office have to have the courage to speak truthfully and forcefully. Sugar coating the issue doesn’t make it go away. Ignoring the issue for political gain only makes it worse.
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I always thought Thatcher was cowardly not to label the IRA a Catholic-terror organization. JFK should have called the KKK a Christian terror organization. It’s always appropriate to be clear that when a terrorist bombs an abortion clinic that it’s the hateful message of the Bible that is the true enemy. To do otherwise is just to be some leftist weak-kneed lib.
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Christ. I just come here for the football talk. I think I’ll skip the rest of the comments today and check back tomorrow…
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It is a sad day in America when party labels are more important than what should be an abhorrent act that is universally and unequivocally condemned. As a Republican I am disgusted by those who are calling themselves true Republicans. Nazi’s are not representative of the Republican party any more then anarchist are of the Democrat party.
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For the folks that want to think Trump is the reason for North Korea being the way they are ya’ll are not as smart as I gave you credit for or have lost your memory, you need to go back 20+ yrs to when Clinton was President, he gave billions to Kim Jong Un to not develop nuclear weapons he took our money and did it anyway. The last President didn’t do anything to stop the current fat boy dictator to from launching and testing missiles and he has become reckless. IMO if N Korea attacks anyone Japan will be the first to retaliate with the help of S Korea……………anyway it doesn’t matter which side of the aisle you associate yourself with I think we can all agree that a reckleess N Korea is a danger to everyone on this planet
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Funny how you left Bush out of your version of NK history, seeing as it was on his watch when NK tested its first nuclear bomb.
And if you think the NK dictator is reckless as opposed to paranoid and calculating, you might want to revisit history yourself. He is certainly aware of what happened to some tin-pot dictators w/o weapons of mass destruction who ran afoul of the US in the last decade or so.
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The comments here would be laughable if they weren’t so tragic. The previous administration and progressive loudmouths openly promote BLM as cops are killed, refuses to cite Islamic extremism when radical muslims kill innocents, ships guns to Mexican cartels, openly encourages resistance and stokes the fires of violence…
BUT…Trump supports Nazis and the KKK because he doesn’t specifically call them out when he condemns this event? Do you really think he supports Naziss and the KKK? Really?
You guys want this so much you’re losing your minds.
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Next, on Hannity…
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says the Maddow parrot
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One thing I can proudly say is that I don’t watch any cable news. Don’t have the stomach for any of it.
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well against all odds, you and Rush Limbaugh have something in common
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I don’t listen to him either, so I wouldn’t know.
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Nice deflection. Sorry the truth doesn’t fit your narrative.
I will take Trumps clumsily worded condemnation of this event seven days a week over Barack Obama’s open support for BLM which led to riots and cop killings. Not to mention the democrat political machine supporting groups that joke about assassination, vilolence and revolution. The very things they fantasize about Trump doing with the alt right – they do right out in the open.
The irony is that the very act of trying to tie Teump to these radical fringe groups – without any evidence whatsoever – is exactly what leads to these types of incidents. Yet the left continues to fan the flames with the assistance of willful idiots.
So please spare us all from this righteous concern over the actions of the President. It would’ve been nice to have seen similar concerns with the previous administrations that have a D jersey rather than R.
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If you think Trump’s statement was clumsily worded — this from a man who’s never had a problem calling people and groups out by name his entire life — I’ve still got that oceanfront property in Hahira I can let you have at a good price.
Again, all you guys who are indignant about my post… why do you see what Obama did or didn’t do as justification for Trump?
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Everything Trump does is clumsy. And frankly, I don’t know that I would’ve thought to denounce the KKK either – it’s not like this was a Klan rally. At this point isn’t it just assumed that nobody of prominence supports the KKK or Neo nazis (except in the minds of crazy progressives)?
Also, it’s not justification for Trump’s actions we’re pointing out – it’s the hypocracy of hand wringing when Trump does (or doesn’t do) something that pales in comparison to what the left has been doing for decades with open support.
It’s comical.
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There are plenty of prominent Republican politicians who managed to do so. So did Trump’s daughter.
Look, I get it. For some people, pissing on liberals trumps everything. Be my guest.
All I’m saying is that I’ve never heard another POTUS miss a chance to condemn Nazis. It’s not hard, even if everything you do is clumsy. That Trump managed it — deliberately, IMO — is disturbing to me. Your mileage obviously varies.
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I do agree that Obama doing or not doing something doesn’t (or shouldn’t) justify another politician subsequently doing something similarly problematic, but it’s human nature to be frustrated and defensive when you feel that your ‘side’ is held to a different standard than that of your ‘opponent’ (i.e., Trump/Republicans getting raked over the coals in the mainstream media when Obama gets a pass on arguably similar issues -this certainly goes both ways, hypocrisy knows no bounds anywhere in politics it seems). The problem with this is that I think it creates a horrible cycle of each group continuously lowering their standards in response to perceived shortcomings of the opposition.
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I wasn’t holding a side accountable. I was holding Trump accountable.
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I don’t really think that addresses what I said but ok. You asked why people use Obama’s actions as justifications for Trump’s, I offered a general explanation. Didn’t intend for it to be an argument or a statement of your personal opinions or reasoning.
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Gotta say I agree with your last sentence, Squatch.
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Squatch read my mind.
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Hate is doing so well these days because it is being disguised as love in many cases. I’m appalled by the actions of the neo Nazis of course. I think most people are. But nothing Trump would have or could have said would have been enough. I don’t even like Trump but the left hated how the right found fault with every single thing Obama did. And now they are doing the very same thing. And both sides act as if they do negative they do because they are good people. Personally, I think your average liberal and conservative is a decent sort of person. But the virtue signalers among the “patriot” right and social justice warrior left are almost the same people. They go looking for a fight and use love, either for their country or their fellow man as an excuse for hatred toward those they have assigned evil motives to. They are both shitty groups oof people and are both dishonest about their goals. Trump may be a bad president who took advantage of these people to get to the White House, that makes him pretty much a user off the same play book Obama used and most likely the same one the next preside t will use. He may suck but I do t believe he is evil. Same del with Obama. He was a narcissistic asshole but he wasn’t some sort of evil super villain. People want to act like their asshole is the good guy or the one motivated by pure motives. He isnt. No matter which one he is.
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That’s totally nuts. Where did any Republican or Trump family member of any notoriety – meaning not some local clown – support the KKK or Nazis? The only legit Klan members I can think of where members of the Dem party.
And don’t pull this “alt right” stuff as that’s turning into a straw man that can can mean anything. I don’t even know what the alt right is.
Immediately after this event Trump condemned bigotry and violence of all kinds by both sides.
You guys are twisting this into Trump supporting Nazis and the Klan.
Unbelievable.
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I was responding to the first part of your comment, regarding denouncement.
Again, Trump isn’t supporting. He’s pandering. There’s a huge difference which you apparently don’t want to acknowledge.
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Maybe it’s Trumps’ Chief Strategist who openly said he turned Breitbart into a white nationalist forum – and who publicly stated that more Americans needed to be listening to Richard Spencer, a guy who idolizes Hitler’s Germany in the same way ISIS idolizes 14th century Islam.
Maybe it’s all the times Trump retweeted Nazi images or memes.
Maybe it’s the influence in the White House of Gorka, Horowitz, and Gaffney, three men who have hinted that the massacre of Bosnian muslims by Serbian Christians was necessary to preserve the demographic history/destiny of Serbia.
Walks with Nazis. Talks with Nazis. Refuses to condemn Nazis. Maybe us simple folk are reading too much into that pattern analysis.
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All totally valid points if all of that is in fact true. Going to find out for myself. But if you support anything or any candidate who has taken money from George Soros you are far from the moral high ground.
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Unbelievable,
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glad i missed this post
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What it boils down to is that Blotarsky is a liberal Jew and takes the Jewish perspective. That is to be expected. I do not condemn him for his political views. 77% of American Jews supported Obama. I live in Longboat Key , Fl where there is a large Jewish community. 99% of them have the same opinion as Blotarsky. It is what it is.
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I am not a liberal Jew. I am a WASP who grew up in a town dedicated to going to church twice a week and combining rocket engines, warheads and guidance systems in ways that make bad guys go “boom,” whether in a tank on a battlefield or a bunker 4000 miles away and 300 feet underground.
And I share the Senator’s perspective here completely.
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And I’m a white 67 year old Vietnam and Korea (67-68) veteran and the senator hits it right on the head. You’re a “thug” if you stand up and your a snowflake if you don’t FIDO. Know what that means??
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“He didn’t attack us,” crowed The Daily Stormer, a white supremacist website, about Mr. Trump’s statement after the two days of racist demonstrations. “Refused to answer a question about White Nationalists supporting him. No condemnation at all. When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”
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I started reading this, got frustrated, left, and then came back for more punishment. Let me preface the rest of my comments by saying that I am in no way as politically astute and some of the other posters here so if that relegate my post to bashing from the more intellectual posters, so be.
I was raised in a part of the south where racism was constantly on display. While the “N” word was consistanly used, it wasn’ shied away from either. I don’t say this as a badge of honor, only as a fact. I like to think that I have grown past that. My kids were raised in a totally different environment. However, I will proudly say that I voted for Trump. From my point if view he was the lesser of 2 evils.
There are some points I would like make, or remake:
The event in Virginia was beyond a doubt very tragic. No excuse can be made.
No response from the President would have please certain posters on this site.
The senator made a concerted effort to point out that a “Trump supporter” deliberately went there to kill liberals, but never mentioned that a Sanders supporter deliberately went to a softball practice to kill republicans. You would think that since that happened at a semi-athletic event that it would have deserved a footnote somewhere.
The America most of us grew up in is gone, and will never return. In a lot of instances this is a plus. But in a lot of ways, it’s not. The idea of partisanship is gone forever.
The history if our country is slowly being removed and erased. I’m sure that some of you relish that idea, I do not. I gave 22 years of my life in military service to ensure that America stayed great. To be great one must take the bad with the good.
The term free speech has become an oxymoron. If you don’t say what is believed to be the latest politically correct thing, you are labeled (as I am sure most will do to me here).
I agree with the one poster who stated that 25 years from now, America (as we know) will have ceased to exist. I’m sure that President Trump will be blamed for that too.
A liberal can do something and it is ok. Examples would be some of the comments that were made after the shooting at the softball practice. A conservative can say the same thing and labels start flying. Neither by the way should be acceptable.
As for Korea, we finally have a President that is willing to do something about it and he is even wrong for that. Do I want nuclear war, or any war for that matter? Well as someone who has had an enemy firing at you during numerous deployments, let me say “Hell NO.” But if you think that bury our head in the sand, or trying diplomacy, works, I refer you to the previous 3 administrations. I for one am glad that we have a President that isn’t willing to take that route.
BASH AWAY.
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Relax. Nobody’s going to rip you to shreds for expressing an opinion here.
I’m glad you mentioned Sanders and the Scalise shooter. Sanders’ response makes for a good comparison with Trump’s. Note that the POTUS couldn’t even bring himself to condemn the driver of the car, let alone the movement he is a part of.
Trump’s condemnations serve Trump’s agenda. Always. If you don’t believe me, compare what Trump said about Charlottesville with what he said after the London vehicle attack.
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I agree with your point of Trump serving his own agenda, but doesn’t every politician do that. While Obama condemned the rioting and looting in places like Ferguson by marcher organized by the BLM, not once did he come out and CONDEMN them directly. If there was a White Lives Matter organization that had perpetuated the things that the BLM has been involved in, not only would they have been directly condemned by Obama, they would have been labeled a Racist Hate Group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
I think the biggest point in all of these discussions is that there is currently a double standard.
Trump could beat the hell out of David Dukes on the south lawn and a majority of the country would bitcched and gripped because he didn’t kill him.
Disclaimer: The above written post does not in any way condone violence. Although David Dukes could use a good ass whooping.
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So, again, if Obama did or didn’t do something, that excuses Trump?
If you guys don’t like Obama, why is he the gold standard for Trump’s behavior?
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This is a good example of how two people in America today with different ideologies can never reach a consensus. I’m not promoting Trump’ s behavior. While I agree with a lot of his policies (not all of them), I am in the majority in saying that some of his actions are not proper. I would be the first to take away his Twitter account if I could. The use of Obama as an example against some of Trump’s action or non-actions is solely based on the fact that he is the most recent “progressive” to hold the office. As well as the fact that fake news (from both sides) and the up rise in the liberal media has only increase since he started his 1st term. Again I can only say that Obama never directly criticized BLM for anything, similar to how Trump didn’t directly criticize white supremacy. It doesn’t alleviate the fact that Trump was wrong for not have a more condemning statement. It only goes to show the double standard.
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In other words, if I don’t condemn Obama for failing to live up to your expectations, it’s hypocritical for me to condemn Trump for failing to live up to mine. 😉
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There’s the problem. It’s yours and mine, not ours. Until we get to “ours” all this will continue. Kind of sad…
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Well, here’s the thing. Trump is our President, me included. And I would have called out any POTUS who would have responded to the events in C’ville the way Trump did. Because I expect better of anyone who holds the office.
If that’s a double standard, so be it.
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No your not wrong for not calling out Obama based on my expectations. I feel you are wrong for not holding Obama to the same expectations that you hold Trump to. Were you this upset when Obama failed to call it Islamic Terrorism when Mohammand Youssef Abdulazeez killed four marines in Chattanooga, Tn? Or when he again failed to condemn “Islamic Terrorism” when Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan killed 13 people and wounded over 30 more at Fort Hood, Tx? All I’m saying is that I can’t see how you can condemn President Trump for specifically not mentioning White Supremacy of the KKK and not condemn Obama for literally refusing to use the term Islamic Terrorism. In my judgement they are both just as wrong and I’m not afraid to say so.
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Since you missed it above:
I always thought Thatcher was cowardly not to label the IRA a Catholic-terror organization. JFK should have called the KKK a Christian terror organization. It’s always appropriate to be clear that when a terrorist bombs an abortion clinic that it’s the hateful message of the Bible that is the true enemy. To do otherwise is just to be some leftist weak-kneed lib.
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Derek,
Not for sure if your post was meant to be serious or not. But we will go with serious. I agree that both the IRA and the KKK both based some of their ideology off of religious , but neither of them was based solely off of that. However, Islamic Terrorism is SOLELY based off of religion. The main names that THEY gave to themselves (ISIS & ISIL) display that fact. ISIS stands for ISLAMIC State of Iraq and Syria, while ISIL stands for ISLAMIC State of Iraq and the Levant. Neither of those names refer to the free State of anything. Again, I agree that a portion of the KKK’s and IRA’s beliefs were religiously based and I am not happy with that because one of those is my religion also. But you are talking apples, oranges and watermelons when u compare the three.
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Oh, so its the “solely” thing that changes everything? I can tell you that Eric Rudolph and Paul Hill were SOLELY motivated by their religion and they are/were both Christians. I still don’t think that calling them “Christian Terrorists inspired by a hateful, violent ideology they found in their Bibles” is fair to the vast majority of Christians who come to completely different ideas about what it means to be a Christian.
Likewise the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists nor are they sympathetic to them. Therefore labeling terrorists with the underlying religion insults the vast majority of Muslims in the same way.
Yes they use “Islamic” in their names and that certainly is what they claim inspires them, but it does us little good to bootstrap a religion of a billion plus people to the conduct of a few thousand.
Christians vs. Muslims is bloody decades long fight that leads to millions of deaths and no solution. Free people vs. the ideology of terror allows Muslims to comfortably land on our side of the equation and if you’re smart, that’s where you want them. If you say joining us means abandoning your religion, they won’t come with us. That is the battle the terrorists want and this stupid debate only furthers the cause of the terrorists.
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YES, You stupid moron. The word solely does change everything. While there is NO excuse for terrorism, terrorism based totally on religion is the most dangerous kind. Ideologically on most other things people will waver and even change. An individual indoctorinated religiously will almost never change.
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I had to reply to my own post because the system clobbered up my reply below to Derek.
Your use of two example of abortion clinic bombing is pathetic. Since I destroyed your IRA/White Supremacy argument you decided to try an even more ridiculous route. But that’s fine.
Yes the Hill and Rudolph attacks on abortion clinics did have a Christian connection, bravo on being able to connect the dots. However attempting to compare very target specific attacks to global terrorism is sad. While I never stated that there wasn’t other types of terrorism, I will categorically state that Islamic Terrorism is WAY above and beyond all the other types combined. While you could probably give 2 or 3 more examples, I could give 200-300 examples of Islamic Terrorism in just the last 8 1/2 years. And that’s not even mentioning 9/11 (Over 2900 DEAD and at least another 1400 injured). But who is counting. And it isn’t arguments like this that is assisting terrorism, it’s idiots like you that can’t see things for what they really are. Are all Muslims terrorist? Hell No! But maybe you can’t post a video or link of a Muslim protest in America against Islamic Terrorism. It doesnt happen my friend. A hundred years from now when your defendants have no freedoms at all because you were to sweet to stand up for what is right, I hope they blame you.
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Before you get all sanctimonious about how liberals get away with shit keep in mind that you voted for a guy who bragged about grabbing women’s genitals without permission, who called Mexicans rapists, who talked about his dick in a nationally televised debate, questioned the service of John McCain while himself being a draft dodger, and praised Alex Jones a 9/11 truther and newtown denier for doing a “great job.”
Had Barack Obama taken a photo with a guy who did all of that, much less did it himself, he’d have never been president.
This whiny attitude that “we can’t say what we want” is bullshit and its tired. You just want to say what you want without being challenged, questioned or resisted. It’s the by product of being entitled and privileged. Say what you want. If you’re white the cost is someone might tell you that you’re a damn idiot. If you’re black the cost is that you might get shot in the head like Evers, Hampton, or MLK. Join the conversation and stop being a snowflake.
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Calm down Derek, nobody is going to shoot you. You apparently forgot about the racist church Obama attended for 20 years.Oprah left that church because she wasn’t comfortable with the racism on display.
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I didn’t forget it. Because of what someone other than Obama said, he gave a lengthy address on the subject. Where’s the address on any of the things I pointed out? When wright was found to have said unfortunate things Obama had to address them. When trump himself says them…crickets. Why the difference? Entitlement.
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Bullshit. Wright was spewing racial hatred for 20 years and Obama loved it. You just don’t like the fact that your hero is an evil racist just like the nuts in C’ville. He was given a pass. Why the difference? Entitlement.
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Obama hates his white mother, grandparents, his VP, his sec. of state, and eaxh of his Supreme Court nominees. Got it. At least you’re reasonable about all this.
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Although I am not a Ga fan I have enjoyed your blog for the items concerning college football in general. However, as happens in so many cases you got yourself involved in political matters that have NO relevance to football. What Trump says or doesn’t say has nothing to do with football. Now that I know you’re just another ignorant white liberal I can better utilize a few minutes every day by staying away from here.
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You’d probably be better off watching Fox and Friends. It’s a safe space.
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Bless your heart, as we like to say…
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Has anyone tried blaming the mental defect that was driving the Dodge Charger?
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I think the State of Virginia has.
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Most Liberals take it to heart when something tragic happens like this young woman losing her life. So do most conservatives. So why is it when 3,000 plus babies are aborted per day most liberals are completely fine with that? That’s one of my rubs with liberalism…..Logic doesn’t appear to be commonplace.
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I don’t celebrate what white supremacists, neo-nazis and the KKK have to say, but I’m happy I live in a country where they are free to speak. There are costs to a having a free society. Among them is that some people will make choices we disagree with. There is a difference between being “for abortion” or “pro-abortion” and promoting the idea that we should not live in a country where the police powers of the state are used to ensure a mother and her fetus don’t part ways.
In short, you can be both for free speech and anti-nazi just as you can be morally opposed to the practice of abortion and still want citizens to make that choice themselves rather than having the state make them for the citizen.
The kkk was defeated as a political force in this country without making it illegal to either be in the klan or to espouse their views. I suggest that those who are so motivated attack the issue of abortion in the same way: by changing hearts not laws. “Safe, legal and rare” is the best a free society should aspire to.
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The best defense against murder is to make it socially unpalatable? I guess that’s one way to look at things. Should we try that approach with Charlottesville? Is the driver of the car guilty of a serious faux pas?
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If you want homicide detectives investigating miscarriages then perhaps you’d be intellectually consistent. Most people have the ability of thought and therefore don’t see taking RU-486 as the same as driving a vehicle into a crowd. You may see them as the same which gets us back to the capacity to think thing.
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Do homicide detectives investigate accidents or acts of nature? I think not. Most people capable of honest thought can see the similarities between one person taking an innocent life and another person taking an innocent life. You’ve already established that you’re both intellectually deficient and morally abhorrent, so I’m not sure if you’re incapable of recognizing the similarities, or simply supporting the killing. Either way, agree to disagree.
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