“They shouldn’t be paid to play football.”

“…I don’t think paying all college athletes is great, not every college is loaded and most 19-year-olds [are] gonna spend it–and let’s be honest, they’re gonna spend it on weed and kicks! And spare me the ‘they’re being extorted’ thing. Listen, 90% of these college guys are gonna spend it on tats, weed, kicks, x-boxes, beer and swag. They are, get over it! They’re not gonna budget it efficiently, they’re not going to invest it, they’re not gonna shop for the best interest rate for their moped. No they’re not, they’re 19 they just got a fresh Honda, there’s a cute girl in chemistry class, they’re gonna get some new kicks. That’s what they’re going to spend it on.”Colin Cowherd

I suspect a lot of Cowherd’s attitude permeates the thinking revealed by this Washington Post survey.  I’m sure some of you will jump on the racial breakdown of the data, but far more interesting to me is that a majority of respondents support players being paid for their names, likenesses and images, despite the tats and weed that might buy.

As far as Cowherd’s argument goes, Andy Schwarz offers a rebuttal.

“Whenever you get down to the core of it, they’ll say it just doesn’t feel right for these young people to have so much money when they’re so young. And I say, well, how do you feel about Emma Watson, Hermione Granger, having so much money?” Schwarz said. (Watson, the British actress, reportedly earned more than $20 million by the time she turned 18 from her turns in the “Harry Potter” films.)

Which brings us back to the uncomfortable consideration of why people have a specific problem with college athletes being paid.  Again, I’ll leave that for you to surmise.

One other thing I’ll leave for you to speculate about is a suggestion from Andrew Zimbalist about how to resolve the amateurism problem.

In his new book, “Unwinding Madness” — co-authored with Donna Lopiano, former director of women’s athletics at Texas, and Gerald Gurney, past president of the Drake Group, a think tank focused on ending academic corruption in college sports — Zimbalist argues for Congress to provide a limited exemption to college athletic departments from federal antitrust law. This exemption would allow schools to impose universal caps on coach pay and other athletic spending in exchange for the schools agreeing to a series of measures, such as balanced athletic department budgets and expanded postgraduate health care for athletes. Zimbalist’s proposal also would allow athletes to earn money through sponsorship agreements and the sale of merchandise.

“If they’re students and amateurs, then it doesn’t make sense, ethically, to pay the coaches millions and millions,” Zimbalist said. “This would tend to promote more competitive balance across the schools, which, presumably, is a good thing . . . and it would save tens of millions for schools in their budgets.”

“This exemption would allow schools to impose universal caps on coach pay and other athletic spending in exchange for the schools agreeing to a series of measures, such as balanced athletic department budgets and expanded postgraduate health care for athletes.”  Seriously, can anyone imagine a more DOA proposal?  A salary cap on coaches?  Balanced athletic department budgets?  That’ll go over smoothly.

Let’s face it:  Jim Delany’s not looking for fiscal sensibility or ethical sense.  He’s looking to maintain conditions that allow his conference to pay him a $20 million bonus.  Those of you who buy his BS are deluding yourselves.  P5 romance, for the win!

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99 responses to ““They shouldn’t be paid to play football.”

  1. Jared S.

    I’m not sure what I think about just straight-up paying college athletes. But I do think it’s morally wrong to prevent them from cashing in on their fame – their likeness, autograph, appearances, endorsements, etc.

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  2. Dylan Dreyer's Booty

    “Kicks, weed, beer and tats”

    I used to like Cowherd a little, but he acts like this is a good argument. Adults – many on this here board – go to casinos, buy ridiculous sports cars, and coaches get whores (I’m looking at you, Hugh) the list is as endless and varied as there are people who have money, and that’s because *it’s their money; they earned it”. Of all the arguments you might want to make against paying players, that is the most ludicrous.

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  3. Just Chuck (The Other One)

    Two things bother me about Cowherd’s statement. First, as others have already pointed out, who is he to say haw anyone spends their money? However, what bother’s me more is his claim about what college players would do with the money. How does he know? I’d be surprised if there is any evidence for the claim he’s made. Plus, he’s lumping all college football players together as if they are all the same. My father said many times in his life, “All generalizations are false, including this one.” I believe that.

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  4. 3rdandGrantham

    I’ve been saying for quite a while that much of this boils down to age and race discrimination. A middle aged white guy looks at a 19 year old black (in most cases) athlete and says: “he doesn’t need to be paid – hell he’ll spend it all on wheels and speakers anyway. Besides, I was broke in college, worked two jobs, and didn’t pay off my college debt until I was in my 30s.” Countless times I’ve read such b.s. here alone, never mind elsewhere.

    By the way, Cowherd, as much as I enjoy his show, needs to spend some time with some of the tech sales guys I work with. Many of them throw money around on utterly pointless or extravagant accouterments that would make his jaw drop. Perhaps we should confiscate their money until they turn, say, 40, in which then they are only permitted to buy the basic necessities of life, with the rest going into some type of trust fund.

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    • I’ve been saying for quite a while that much of this boils down to age and race discrimination.

      Regardless of the motivation behind it (which I believe you are correct even if people won’t openly admit it or don’t realize their own prejudices drive it)… the idea that any person can tell another man / woman how to spend his / her hard earned money is the one of the most un-American things I’ve ever heard. Who the hell are you to tell another person what is the correct way to exercise the freedom of their purse?

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      • Uglydawg

        Agree. What a person spends their money on is no business of anyone else, as long as it’s not harming others. Cowherd made a stupid case. And

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      • Charlottedawg

        My hands down favorite is when a person defends amateurism because “kids getting paid is communist/ socialist “. Throw in the words entitled and snowflake for good measure. The incredible amount of cognitive dissonance required to suggest that a market setting wages is communist but a autocratic monopoly totally stacking the deck is fine is remarkable.

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        • Southernlawyer11

          Agree in principle. But I will say that only really applies to the issue of 3rd party deals to players. Because it’s also a free market reality that Universities can tell a player he is free to go play minor league football if the value of his scholarship is not enough. From that standpoint (the university itself cutting a large(er) payment to players), it is also a free market. It is not the problem of universities that the NFL is getting a free minor league—–NOW, the endorsement prevention is a wholly separate bag of worms. IMO.

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          • Because it’s also a free market reality that Universities can tell a player he is free to go play minor league football if the value of his scholarship is not enough. From that standpoint (the university itself cutting a large(er) payment to players), it is also a free market. It is not the problem of universities that the NFL is getting a free minor league…

            No, but it is the problem of universities that they are illegally colluding to restrict player compensation.

            Remember what I said about using tortured economic analysis to justify feelings? There you go.

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            • Southernlawyer11

              Don’t you mean IF they are colluding ? I’m not up to speed on where the case stands. Is a resolution expected soon ? And by “illegal” are you suggesting criminal jeopardy under the Sherman act ? (doubtful)

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      • 3rdandGrantham

        Well said. I’m insanely cheap in some areas but won’t think twice about spending an occasional $70 on a good Napa cab or buying a 5k mountain bike. Hell, I should be thanked for helping keep the small wine or bike store owner in business – yet other would rather than money go to the gov for some pointless war and hence put both owners out of business.

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    • Uglydawg

      3rd…What ironic hypocrisy in the statement , ” A middle aged white guy looks at a 19 ear old black (in most cases athlete and says….”. Do you see what you did there. As a “white guy” who knows a lot of other “white guys”, I don’t believe that to be the case at all.
      While I’m not particularly offended by that, and I do agree some white guys think like that, (just as some kids do those things).
      Middle aged white guys are really a pretty good bunch of folks, despite popular, politically correct.conviction.

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      • 3rdandGrantham

        They are a good bunch overall, but who are the ones ultimately making the decisions that prevent college athletes from profiting? Middle aged white guys and older.

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    • Charlottedawg

      We can’t prove it but yeah I’d bet age discriminate plays a big part. The last thing a middle aged person with a mediocre career wants to see is some 25 year old or heaven forbid teenager making more than they ever have.

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      • 3rdandGrantham

        This is absolutely correct, and this mindset permeates corporate America as well. I’ve seen top producers in their mid 20’s get their commisions destroyed or set at absurd levels, all because they are viewed as young with no family responsibilities. And thus, they don’t really need to make 175K when Bob here in his 40’s (who sucks, by the way) has been here 10 years and has never made close to that.

        Hence, the young guy leaves while Bob is given ownership of said accounts (in which he promptly screws up the relationship), and the company wonders why their sales are slipping. Rinse. Repeat.

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    • Junkyardawg41

      i get your point and I want to point out that legally, age discrimination only applies to people over the age of 40. E.g, you aren’t hired because you are too old.

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    • Squatchdawg

      This is ridiculous and frankly disturbing that anyone would see this as race issue. Have you noticed across college football that positions and teams are populated with about every conceivable race? Or do you overlook this because you’ve been conditioned to irrationally equate everything to be a race issue?

      You’d have a better argument claiming this stems from short people’s jealousy of the “big” man than this drivel.

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  5. Normaltown Mike

    I’m just glad that all those girls on the equestrian and gymnastics team are finally going to earn what they deserve.

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    • Uglydawg

      When you pay football players, you’d better believe you’ll end up paying every competitive athlete..and maybe Debate Teamers too. And what about the Band..by gollly…they draw some of the crowd and they work hard too.

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      • This is the dumbest argument anybody against paying athletes ever brings up. Working hard has nothing to do with what the market will bear for football and basketball players. Whether you like it or not, we as consumers have valued their talent much higher than that of the swim team and debate team. The day the swim team and the debate team can get a multi-billion $ contracts from CBS and ESPN to televise their swim and debate meets and the day they both convince 90K+ people to shell out thousands of $’s annually to come see them in person approximately six times a year, then this will be a fair discussion to have.

        I’m with Charlotte above. I never cease to be amused at y’all that argue allowing a free market to do its thing is somehow pure socialism where everybody will get something because reasons. Just say you don’t like the idea of college football players being paid and shut up with nonsensical economic arguments and hypotheticals based in no form of reality.

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        • Normaltown Mike

          nobody is stopping NCAA athletes from quitting this evil system and seeking payment elsewhere. The labor market is tanned rested and ready to find gainful employment in whatever these athletes like. Be it delivering pizzas, bagging groceries or tackling QB’s. If it’s so important that they make money, then go get a fucking job.

          The dumbest argument anybody in favor of paying athletes makes is not acknowledging that Title IX requires Universities to treat all student athletes equally. I’m sorry this doesn’t square with your “RACISM!” explanation.

          I don’t know what your blabbering on about a “free market” is related to. This is the NCAA a not for profit collegiate athletic association, not the free market. The NFL is a free market enterprise, as is the Arena League, Canadian League & Euro League. Just say you don’t have any idea what the NCAA is and what a for-profit sports league is and shut up with nonsensical hypotheticals based in no form on facts.

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          • The dumbest argument anybody in favor of paying athletes makes is not acknowledging that Title IX requires Universities to treat all student athletes equally. I’m sorry this doesn’t square with your “RACISM!” explanation.

            Title IX prevents nobody from earning a single penny off their name, image, and likeness; only the NCAA and its member schools do that. The NCAA and its member schools could vote tomorrow that every athlete (revenue / non-revenue, men’s / women’s) can go out and start cashing in on their NIL from 3rd parties and nothing would change from a Title IX standpoint. Not sure where you got the idea me believing that the NCAA and its member schools not allowing athletes to cash in on their NIL that has anything to do with racism, but knock yourself out. Personally – I believe it has to do with control, but to-mae-toe, to-mah-toe. I absolutely 100% believe that personal prejudice does drive much of the sentiment people have against paying college athletes, but then again personal prejudice drives a lot of emotional responses in people. If you don’t believe that, that’s also fine.

            I don’t know what your blabbering on about a “free market” is related to.

            How is being able to negotiate with a 3rd parties for the value they see in your NIL not an example of a free market solution to a compensation question?

            Just say you don’t have any idea what the NCAA is and what a for-profit sports league is and shut up with nonsensical hypotheticals based in no form on facts.

            To re-iterate – not once in any comment in this discussion have I mentioned the NCAA or its member schools directly paying athletes.

            That said – substance over form kinda reigns supreme here and the member schools of the NCAA absolutely operate as for-profit entities in everything but name at the highest level of this sport (at least for everybody except the labor).

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            • Normaltown Mike

              “This is the dumbest argument anybody against paying athletes ever brings up”
              I missed the part where you were limiting this to compensation for NIL by 3rd parties. I misunderstood “paying athletes” to mean payment by the schools.

              “substance over form kinda reigns supreme here and the member schools of the NCAA absolutely operate as for-profit entities in everything but name”

              Where are the profits being distributed? Who are the shareholders? Are you receiving quarterly dividends? I haven’t received mine.

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          • The dumbest argument anybody in favor of paying athletes makes is not acknowledging that Title IX requires Universities to treat all student athletes equally.

            What does Title IX have to do with restricting a student-athlete from marketing his NLI?

            This is the NCAA a not for profit collegiate athletic association, not the free market.

            The NCAA tried that argument in O’Bannon. The NCAA lost.

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            • Ant123

              Senator, in the past you have brought up Todd Gurley’s name so I will use him. If the name Todd Gurley was so valuable why was he not being paid for it before he got to Georgia?
              Also my son has an NCAA football game. Yes on Georgia’s team there is a number 3. But there is a number 3 on most every team. So what makes it Todd Gurley?

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              • Gosh, I don’t know, Ant. Why don’t you ask Ben Simmons?

                The more you guys try to push back on reality, the more reality bites you back.

                You do realize if Gurley had done what you suggest, he would have been ineligible, right?

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                • You really didn’t answer my specific question. But I will answer yours. I did realize he would be ineligible. That is the point. He and his family made a choice. He could have sold his likeness, name or anything he wanted prior to willfully agreeing not to. It is just like most any other agreement between two parties. You get something and you give up something.

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                • I did answer your question. LSU marketed Ben Simmons to its ticket buyers before Ben set foot on campus. Clearly, there was value in his name before he got there.

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                • You are giving examples but not answering my specific example which concerned Todd Gurley.
                  As for “LSU marketed Ben Simmons to its ticket buyers before Ben set foot on campus.” how does having a picture of a future, present or past player on ticket sales literature or a ticket constitute value that the player brings? Since the 80’S UGA has had various pictures on our tickets. Some had players some did not. Since at least the mid 70’s UGA has had pictures on and in the programs. Again, some had players some did not.
                  The truth is people that are now claiming unfairness that the Student Athletes are not being compensated for their NLI had no problem with it then. To try to say that it’s now wrong because college football has more money is in my view some twisted situational ethics.

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                • “This year’s campaign will focus on the arrival of the nation’s No. 1 recruit, Ben Simmons, and his chosen jersey number ’25,'” the release stated. Through this ’25’ campaign, fans wishing to become season ticket holders will have the opportunity to lock in their season tickets for the 2015-16 men’s basketball season in the Pete Maravich Assembly Center.”

                  That’s hardly the same as having a picture on a ticket.

                  You asked if recruits/signees names had value before they appeared on campus. LSU thought Simmons’ did. The Ball family thinks it does. Since neither UGA nor Gurley took steps in that direction before he arrived, there’s no way to answer your specific question.

                  What you call situational ethics I’d call a changing market. Unless you know of other conference commissioners who received sweet $20 million bonuses before.

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              • Cosmic Dawg

                I will answer your question. An 18 year old who’s been working at McDonald’s for several years and done well can potentially get an asst management job or (b) go to college on Hope scholarship and get a management degree. This assumes quick serve restaurant management is his highest paying earning option.

                McDonalds and Burger King and Taco Bell are legally prohibited from fixing prices or entry requirements for Asst. Managers to save themselves money. So we can safely assume our young man can choose between his best possible options – school or work (or both!) at one of a number of restaurants competing for his skills.

                However, the NFL has been granted a cartel exemption by the government. This means the owners can engage in just the sort of price and entry-level talent requirements fixing that would get anyone else thrown in jail.

                The NFL exemption from anti-trust laws also acts as a barrier to entry from other potential football leagues – including minor leagues – and artificially props up collegiate ball as the de facto minor leagues. When you can fix the price of labor and impose uniform rules about hiring among competitors, you have cornered the market.

                The reason Todd Gurley couldn’t capitalize on his name prior to becoming a Bulldog is that the NFL, the govt, and the NCAA have rigged the market against any possible competition for his services.

                If we think a minor league is unlikely, why the need to legalize the cartel?

                If we think Gurley’s best deal still would have been Georgia vs some Huntsville sandlot football team, fine – let’s end the special treatment for the NFL and NCAA and let Todd and the market decide what’s best for him.

                I think it would work out a lot like minor league baseball – some talented kids would go to college, some would go straight into the farm system.

                Finally, your question about Todd Gurley cashing in on his likeness before attending UGA suggests some questions for you. Is it just chance there were a lot of #3 jerseys in the UGA bookstore after he arrived? And aren’t most celebrities attached to some kind of “vehicle” for their fame – a big movie, a pro sports team, a record label – wonder why we don’t begrudge them doing tv ads, endorsements, and public appearances. Isn’t it obvious their only value is in connection to “Virgin Records” or “The Vikings” or “Star Wars”?

                In fact, the franchises have value and the people have personal cache as well – the relationship is reciprocal, but let’s not act like the Gurleys of the world aren’t adding a ton of value and moving #3 jerseys in the UGA bookstore.

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                • Ant123

                  The football jersey #3 belongs to the university of GA and every person that has ever played between the hedges, donated, bought tickets, coached or in some other way assisted in the football athletic process has added value and has in some way been compensated for that added value.

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              • What makes it Todd Gurley? Look at the data in the game … #3 happened to be Todd Gurley’s measurables and, by some coincidence, came from Tarboro, North Carolina.

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                • Ant123

                  So on my son’s NCAA 2003 it’s 9 year old Todd Gurley even though DJ Shockley was wearing that number then.. Then on his NCAA 2008 it is 12 year old Todd Gurley even though Bryan Evans was wearing the number then, and of course his 2013 version is Todd Gurley because he was actually on the team then. But how can we have that many Todd Gurley’s with only one number 3? Interesting.

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                • Come on. everyone knew what number 3 was when Gurley was at UGA and who it represented. UGA was not selling it based on who wore it in 1956. Jesus, Mary, and any other entity come on smell the roses.

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                • Good grief … they used the likenesses and personal information of all 3 without permission. The courts found that was inappropriate.

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          • DawgFlan

            1) It’s so cute that you accept the non-profit status at face value.

            2) Most people are not restricted in the nature and type of job they can get – so your “go get a fucking jobs” doesn’t hold any water when that job can’t be related to their strongest and most in-demand skills/talents, either in the NFL until they have been deemed a sufficient number of years removed from high school, or while on campus getting a scholarship in return for drowning your school in dollars.

            There are hundreds of kids currently on scholarship at UGA that are also allowed to “go get a fucking job” using their skills. Does the UGA school of music revoke a scholarship if a student gets an Easter gig or has a YouTube music channel? Does UGA’s art school revoke scholarships if a student sells a painting hanging in a downtown coffee shop? What if a kid sells an app while on academic scholarship with a computer science major? Hell, why not rescind HOPE for anyone who takes a paid internship? After all, UGA, The GA Lottery, and their HOPE scholarship are all under non-profit umbrellas, and those internships are clearly reserved only for the best in brightest currently enrolled (How do paid internships skirt Title IX??), so those kids should either accept ONLY a HOPE scholarship as the single form of remuneration while enrolled, or quit school and “go get a fucking job.”

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            • DoubleDawg1318

              +10

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            • Cosmic Dawg

              ‘nother +10

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            • Normaltown Mike

              It’s not cute, it’s a fact. The IRS makes it very clear on what is a for profit vs a non-profit. I’m dealing with facts as they are. Not fever induced unicorn dreams. If you operate in a fact-free life, good for you. I’d discourage playing in traffic.
              These students can do whatever the fuck they want. The rules only apply if they choose to participate in an NCAA sport. It’s really that easy. If you don’t want to slave in the shackles of the NCAA, don’t sign up for it.

              They can get any job they are qualified for. If they are only qualified to tackle QB’s, the NFL and the Federal Government are the discriminating entity in the football player conversation. The league with the blessing of the courts discriminate based upon age. That’s not the NCAA’s problem.

              As to your hypo about scholarship recipients, HOPE was created by a ballot initiative and the General Assembly. If they wanted to operate like the NCAA, they would’ve. They chose not to. Scholarships are funded by donors and administered by the University, if they wanted to have the same rules as the NCAA, they would’ve. They chose not to. It’s not magic. If you don’t like the rules, then don’t participate.

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      • Cpark58

        Hold the money that the team makes in escrow until graduation at a league level. The band gets a % based on the sports they cover.

        Most of the time, schools make academic exceptions for football and basketball players above all others and steer them towards easier majors and course loads as not to interfere with their sport, the real reason they are there in the first place. When they are done playing, if the pros don’t work out and their playing careers are over, they hold watered down degrees to go out and start a new career with zero life experience. Meanwhile, the schools rakes in millions, throws some new highlights on the pregame clip, and moves on to the next crop of blue chips.

        Do you really think the non revenue sports like debate team or field hockey teams are the same playing field as the major sports in terms of allowing in and steering players?

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  6. Uglydawg

    Does Cowherd not realize that even nineteen year olds are individuals and can’t all be painted with his broad brush?
    And what in the hell is a “tat”?

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  7. PTC DAWG

    The kids must like the deal…

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    • Just as they “liked” the deal before the COA stipends, amirite?

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      • PTC DAWG

        Correct….I see you are catching on…for some who rants about the sanctity of College Football and how it’s changing, you sure want a lot of changes…

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        • As I’ve said before, a decade or so ago, I wasn’t advocating player compensation. Given the way the sport has fully embraced the money chase, it only seems fair that everyone involved should benefit from the free market, not just the administrators and coaches.

          Just because somebody acquiesces doesn’t mean they like. Otherwise, we could chalk you up as Obama fan, since you stayed in the country during his eight years. 😉

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          • Same here on paying. Have done a total reversal of how I think about this, along with leaving early By far the biggest reason is the money involved and the sheer hypocrisy of the powers that be. Give me my 20 million bonus and screw you. Naturally, a lot of folks on here disagree with this stand. The good ole days are not coming back when junior played for dear old alma mater. For better or worse, it is about the $$$$$$$.
            I am in total favor of a minor league system for football at Div 1 level.

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    • Cosmic Dawg

      So if all the companies in your industry got an exemption from the govt to collude to fix prices for labor in your line of work, resulting in a dramatic reduction in your salary, but it was still a better deal for you than working at McDonald’s, we could conclude you “liked” the change because you didn’t quit to go flip hamburgers?

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  8. CPark58

    Hold the money is escrow until graduation and if you don’t graduate, your cut goes to your classmates. Done.

    However, no matter what side of the fence you are on. The argument of WHAT they will spend THEIR money on as a case for not paying them at all is ridiculous.

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  9. saildawg

    57% of Amercians could not cover a $500 medical bill without putting themselves into debt. So who cares what they spend their money on, because the majority of America is doing the exact same thing.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/most-americans-cant-afford-a-500-emergency-expense/

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  10. UGA85

    We weren’t the ones who invented amateur athletics, but we seem hell-bent on being the ones who eliminate amateur athletics. Are we saying there is no longer any value in this cherished tradition? Is being a student athlete no longer a privilege in its own right? Why is the money thrown into education no longer enough? Why do we look at these young men as victims and not as students? Modernity tends to judge worth based on money in one’s pocket, but a real education would be of much greater benefit to athletes than a salary. It’s called amateurism.

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    • … but a real education would be of much greater benefit to athletes than a salary.

      Why does one exclude the other?

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      • UGA85

        In amateurism, the value of an education is its own reward. The opportunity to learn is the goal. Money is not part of amateurism because it is not the goal. Education is the goal, and money is the later by-product of earning a meaningful degree. Education, then the work force, then the long term stability of work related to your degree of choice. Everything that we do for these young men, IMO, should be emphasizing the long term view that their minds can carry them much farther than their muscles can.

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        • In amateurism, the value of an education is its own reward.

          So why isn’t the value of educating its own reward, too?

          Money is not part of amateurism because it is not the goal.

          We’re years into conference realignment, extended seasons, mid-week travel across long distances, summers that no longer belong to the kids, etc. Your train’s already left the station.

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          • UGA85

            You’re right. Amateurs have always been paid. But the payment has been a free education, and that has been enough. I’m not an online blogger like you, and I therefore don’t have the public platform that you have to advocate for college athletes. But if I did, my best way to advocate for these young men and their futures would be to shame the NCAA and everyone else who wants to make education a sham and money the “end all, beat all”. Challenging the status quo on the education end of the equation, not the financial end, would be the best way to empower and assist college athletes.

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        • In amateurism, the value of an education is its own reward. The opportunity to learn is the goal.

          You keep knocking yourself out believing there is any noble origin to amateurism. The origin of amateurism in sports is 100% based on prejudice and classism.

          Either way – you didn’t answer the Senator’s question. Why does the opportunity for education and opportunity to make a salary have to be mutually exclusive? I’d be more sympathetic to your position if the schools acted like education was actually a priority instead of creating exemptions for athletes (that exist for no other student on campus) and creating bullshit majors solely to keep them eligible.

          Why should the athlete give a shit about the education if the schools don’t give a shit whether the athlete gets educated? Sure – they all love to give lip service to the idea that they’re bettering young men and providing opportunities, but let’s be real. Those guys are their to play football first and play school second. I don’t get why that it is so hard for some of y’all to accept.

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    • Cosmic Dawg

      Are you in favor of coerced apprentiships in every industry, based on the companies’ and govt’s definition of fair compensation?

      Which do you think is best at setting proper prices for labor – your personal gut feeling about “fairness”, the govt, the NCAA, the NFL…or the market?

      This is the guild system all over again.

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    • RLJ

      We judge them as victims and not as students because a whole lot of people are getting rich off their hard work while they get very little in return. College football today is not what college crew in “Boys in the Boat” in the 1930s. I could go for the “purity of amateurism” argument except for the fact that there are those making millions off the amateurs.

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  11. Cosmic Dawg

    I am against colleges paying athletes. However, in addition to ending the NFL monopoly exemption, I am all for any student athlete getting paid by ANYONE who wants to pay them.

    Nike, rich Uncle Bob, car dealership, Bob the Booster.

    It is none of our damned business.

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  12. No Country for Old Dawgs

    Dear Mr. Blogger,
    Your talents are clearly being wasted here, as I haven’t seen a more finely crafted clickbait post in a long while. The Huffington Post ain’t got nothing on you brother. I’ll go ahead and take a bite. Please people can we #RESIST linking to any polling data originating from the Times, Post or CNN. I mean really, have the past 18 months taught us nothing about shaping polling data to fit a narrative? Jeez Louiseeze even Nate Silver says PuH-Leeze. For those of you who haven’t the time to read over the WaPo Survey, here it is: ‘Why doesn’t America pay it’s college athletes? Because white people are still gonna racist against black people, who knew!?! WHY!?! More at 11.’ Shout out to the Washington Post for never giving in to any form of accuate polling, or really reporting for that matter! Man, all those distortions and lies make a man thirsty, let’s bust out that tailgate, it’s Miller…What about paying college athletes, you ask? Sounds like a terrible idea. Likeness, image, autograph revenue should be collected and disbursed by the schools to momma or an agent, to be tacked on to his signing bonus. Now how bout that beer? [Outside an office building, now: ‘Jim why are you drinking beer out of your trunk?’ “Tailgating before the game.” ‘It’s noon on Friday, and we can see you from the conference room!’ “The blog man made me do it baby, the blog man made me do it…”]

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    • If you were prohibited from being compensated the way you feel comfortable limiting these kids, somehow I don’t think you’d be so sanguine about it.

      Again, note one thing that I found of interest: “a majority of respondents support players being paid for their names, likenesses and images”. That’s white and black folks alike.

      Feel free to return to your “only libruls and the media are racists” narrative now.

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  13. AusDawg85

    1) Paying revenue generating sports players does not take away from the coaches, administrators and other hogs at the trough. The extra money needed to pay them will come from the consumer, just like the hyper-inflation of salaries/contracts is happening in professional sports.
    2) Restructure scholarship language so that at a certain level of income, a scholarship can be revoked. The kid making the big money can afford the tuition, etc. and should be able to appreciate that the scholarship funds will flow downhill to other student athletes on the team and other sports. Think Nick Chubb would hate to see more OL talent getting better scholarships if he’s making $650,000?

    Why anyone listens to a thing Colin Cowherd says is a total mystery to me.

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  14. Sanford222view

    This has likely been said above but his argument makes no sense. It isn’t about what they might spend it on but whether they deserve it or not. I feel they deserve compensation when their likenesses are used.

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  15. heyberto

    What are college kids who go work a job for spending money while they go to school spend their money on? (Weed, beer, kicks, etc.? I’m guessing so). Why are we assuming these guys will get anything more than what Jim Rome called ‘Walking Around Money’ (which I guess they already get, but I have a hard time believing these guys are going to be paid north of a typical starter job out of college unless they’re allowed to go sign endorsement deals, which I don’t see happening anytime soon ). I get the pitfalls, but it doesn’t change the fact that these guys deserve some income for their time playing. Right now none of it is going to them at all.

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  16. “If they’re students and amateurs, then it doesn’t make sense, ethically, . . .”
    What ethics? We’re WAY beyond the ethics argument.

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  17. Uglydawg

    I am in favor of paying players. Not paying them extravagantly, but enough so they can enjoy college life, and maybe even save a few bucks.
    Having said that, I call bullshit on the argument that racism is driving any opposition to it.
    Cowherd made a stupid comment..that doesn’t make him a racist.

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  18. 92 grad

    Things that bother me:

    College football coach salaries
    College football athletic association employee salaries

    These athletic associations are literally throwing money at anything and everything they can find because they have so much of it. Salaries, bonuses, facilities, I’ve read that general entry level clerical workers get 6 figures.

    It’s not so much that I think the athletes deserve to get paid when they’re on scholarship, but I DO think the money is being thrown around at things that aren’t as important as paying the kids who do the work. I mean, if there’s $10million that the board doesn’t know what to do with don’t create huge bonuses for themselves, give it to people that could really use it. I’m sure every university operations budget could certainly use bonus funding.

    I know my sort of argument here is full of holes, it just seems all the money is being put places that aren’t all that honorable.

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  19. Southernlawyer11

    I have a question for all of you who condescendingly dismiss anyone who doesn’t believe that athletes should be paid:

    Do you think (a) college athletes should be free to get 3rd party endorsement deals, while roughly keeping the status quo restrictions from the formal university level or (b) anything goes and any entity or individual CAN pay any athlete what his market value demands ?

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  20. Southernlawyer11

    I’m Atticus Finch and this is my blog, he whines.

    How do you run a blog that posts hot debate topics then whine about the discussion getting tiresome ? I asked you a basic question because I substantively see a difference. But, like so many other predictable people in our profession, you acted like a jerkoff.

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    • Weren’t you the same person who complained yesterday about an ad hominem attack that wasn’t ad hominem?

      If the discussion were tiresome, I’d quit commenting.

      The problem here is that you keep defining parameters that are irrelevant. It doesn’t matter any more if you believe players shouldn’t be paid, because they are being paid. If you don’t want your end of the conversation to be easily dismissed, start with the current state of affairs.

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  21. NCDawg

    That last proposal sounds like something from a Vonnegut novel. Players are being exploited, but we don’t want to pay them, so we’ll create a monopoly to pay the coaches less. “It’s not fair to the less talented dancers to have to compete with more talented dancers, so we’ll make the more talented dancers wear weights to slow them down.” It would help achieve parity in sports.

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  22. Biggen

    I could care less what they spend their money in. But i’m in the camp of they ARE getting paid via their scholarships.

    That is not to say that they shouldn’t make money off signing autographs etc… By all means, if you are in high enough demand that you can sell your signatures on the private market, more power to you. But I dont think the schools should pony up anything more than they already do: healthcare, food, room and board, coaching, tutoring, and school.

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    • In a free market for labor, the scholarship will be adequate for some. The question is for those whose market value is greater than the scholarship value …. why shouldn’t they be paid more by their “employer”?

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      • Biggen

        Well the question of “why” will never be successfully answered I suppose. Just have to find the balance of how much is enough.

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        • Biggen, in a perfect world, I was in your camp, allow these guys to make money on the side (signing, endorsements, getting a job) without more than the value of the scholarship coming from the school. I thought it was a good compromise position for the schools and the S-As alike. I jumped off that wagon after Gurley-gate. We all watched as the NCAA turned a blind eye to Cecil Newton’s church steeple, Johnny Football’s autograph signing sessions, and Jameis Winston’s autographed items and then punished Gurley to the full extent of the NCAA regulations. A faux labor market has popped up … it’s called the facilities arms race. The Texas locker room, the Georgia facilities projects, the Clemson playground, and others are examples because in the coaches’ words, “It’s all about recruiting.” In a business context, it’s about talent acquisition.

          Let’s just drop the pretense that these guys are amateurs … they aren’t (other than the walk-on players). Let’s treat them as such.

          We’ll never know how much is enough … a free market will tell us.

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  23. And the beat go on. Does not seem like anyone, including me, has recently changed their mind.
    must admit I do not understand how anyone can still think about the purity of amateurism and how it relates to sports on a Div 1, 2, or 3 level.
    Pay them for anything they can get on the market. boosters, clothing, name it they make the money and the U does not.

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  24. Parent

    Not that I agree or disagree with any of the pay to play or not arguments, but a couple of thoughts:
    1. If athletes are to be paid, some sort of trust set up is needed, with increasing availability with age. The reason is simple. Generally, working people have to “work their way up.” Since the vast majority of college athletes will not make it to the professional level, this is a valuable lesson.
    2. Do not succumb to the talk that the current scholarships are not adequate. I am the parent of a P5 scholarship football athlete. We purchased his vehicle, but otherwise provide him no financial support at this point. He rents a house with roommates with rent over 700 EACH, buys some “kicks” that are high dollar, has a dog (expensive) but does not “party.” In his junior year, not only has he not asked for money, he has saved several thousand dollars. So, yes, to be honest, most college players will “blow” the money (our child is an exception, we know about teammates, most, who are always broke), so some forced guidance would be good.

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    • These guys are adults. The concept of a trust is patronizing as if to say, “we don’t trust you to be an adult, so we’ll be an adult for you.” I’m glad you have convinced your child to manage his stipend to get a good start.

      All I want for an athlete is the same rights any other student on campus have … ability to trade on name and likeness. I’ve become for pay for play as a result of the money grab of the NCAA and its members. As I watch Jim Delany and others cash their $20m bonuses based on a cartel business model for labor, I find it hypocritical.

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