Red and black snowflakes

Let’s hear it once again for our classy fan base.

Aaron Murray was excited last weekend, scheduled to do the traditional “calling the Dawgs” before Georgia’s game against Mississippi State. Murray and fellow former Bulldog Verron Haynes were listed on a pregame sheet included in materials passed out to the media.

But a couple hours before the game Murray was scratched. Literally. A communications official came by and scratched Murray’s name off those sheets. No reason was given. The initial word from UGA was that it was Murray’s decision.

Actually, according to the record-setting former Georgia quarterback, it was UGA that made the call. The school was worried about backlash over Murray picking his team to lose the game to Mississippi State.

Murray, speaking on his weekly podcast with former teammate Drew Butler, said he got a call Friday night from someone at UGA, who he declined to name.

“We think we might need to have you postpone you calling the Dawgs for another opportunity. We’re going to let Verron do it on his own,” Murray said he was told. “So I was like, Listen if you guys think it’s the best, then that’s fine with me. A little disappointed. But the last thing we wanted as a headline was, ‘Aaron Murray gets booed calling the Dawgs.’ Even it was a couple people you know the paper was going to pick it up.”

That’s pathetic.  (And, yes, the school is gutless, but that’s another story.)  Here’s someone who stayed in his last home game to run another dozen or so plays after suffering a career-ending injury and that’s the best we’ve got for him?

Then again, given previous, noble moments like this, I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.  Just embarrassed.  Sorry, Aaron, a damned good Dawg deserves better.

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  1. Timphd

    That is one of the saddest things I have heard in a while. Murray was and still is a DGD and deserves nothing but respect from the UGA fanbase. I am embarrassed to be associated with a group with such sensitive feelings that we can’t accept that someone might predict the team might lose a game. Which by the way I wasn’t sure we would win either.

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  2. greg63

    So damn stupid that some of our fans were upset about his pick. He didn’t pick who he wanted to win. He picked who he thought would win. There is a difference folks.

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  3. Derek

    You say on national tv that he doesn’t think we will win and the fans are supposed to be quiet? Seriously?

    Aaron asked for that. Maybe he was being honest. Maybe he was being controversial. Maybe he was trying to establish credibility. Whatever. I’m happy for him that he has work and I didn’t care that he said what he said. But don’t complain when people don’t appreciate what you have to say.

    Also booing isn’t the equivalent of egging his house. Not even in the same ballpark.

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    • Aaron asked to be booed by the fans before a home game?

      That is some seriously fucked up thinking.

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      • Derek

        He ASKED for a less than hospitable response. If you think Herschel could have picked Notre Dame on espn and then not gotten booed pregame you’re crazy. I would and he’s the greatest Dawg ever! That would be the only moment for that though. I’m not booing him postgame no matter the outcome.

        Aaron ain’t dumb. He knew he’d get a negative response and did it anyway. Is he getting booed before the South Carolina game, assuming he doesn’t repeat picking the other guys? No. If he says nothing more, he’s getting cheered. If he picks us it will be even louder. If he picks the chickens he’ll be booed and I’ll join in.

        It’s not about hostility. It’s just an expression of disagreement.

        Is anyone mad when Corso picks the other guys? No. You boo though because that’s what you do. Doesn’t matter who says we’re losing, they are getting booed.

        Hell I think thing even right wing nut jobs around here would boo Trump if he picked against the dawgs. It’s no big deal. At all. It’s temporary and meaningless.

        Now, if you boo Aaron in anger and say: “fuck Murray! Traitor!” That’s an entirely different matter. Then you’re the guy who egged his house. Very few of those guys thankfully.

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        • I must have missed HW’s broadcasting career.

          I get it — Aaron should have realized a certain portion of the fan base would react dickishly to his attempt to be a neutral analyst instead of a partisan fan. And because of that, whatever happened was on him.

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          • Cojones

            Don’t think Derek put it or meant it that way, Senator. He shouldn’t be chastised for an honest answer any more than you think that Aaron should be.

            Don’t take your hostility out on someone by wordsmithing when they go to the trouble of replying to your dickish reply.

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            • Yes. Murray invited the fan base to boo him and I’m the one behaving dickishly.

              If it’s wrong to boo a college player when he’s playing, why is okay to boo him after his playing days are over and he’s back to cheer the school on?

              Here’s the thing – if a fan wants to go up to AM when he’s not there as a representative of the program and razz him for making the wrong pick, I’m okay with that and I suspect he would be, too. But when Murray steps on the field as a former player who risked injury for the program, he’s a Dawg and no Georgia fan should boo and no Georgia fan should make excuses for those who would boo.

              If that makes me a dick, so be it.

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              • Derek

                I just think you’re taking all this far too seriously. This is a reasonable and fair scenario:

                AM makes his prediction for whatever reason and I don’t care.

                He’s scheduled to make an appearance.

                Someone thinks, maybe that prediction will get AM less than an enthusiastic response which will be turned into “Insane and unreasonable and dickish and ungrateful fans who vandalized home of hero qb now boo him for perceived slight” headline.

                Someone calls Aaron. We’re concerned. This is why. What do you think?

                I agree.

                “Aaron says he didn’t want to make the appearance”

                Aaron says “they told me they didn’t want me to make the appearance.”

                It’s pretty much true both ways unless your picking nits.

                Finally, just because it may have happened doesn’t mean it would have and it certainly didn’t. But if it had, would it really have been that big a deal?

                Seriously? If someone booed in jest is that really “dickish?” Are former players immune from any negative feedback no matter what they may do?

                I know it’s extreme but everything is on a continuum and so I would point out that despite the fact he’s probably the best player in either Bills or Trojan history, OJ can’t show up when he gets out next week. He’s getting booed and that’s ok with me. I know there’s a lot of light between picking MSU and being acquitted of double murder and convicted of armed robbery but the idea remains, your aren’t immune from negative feedback if your actions or words are unpopular with your former fan base.

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                • DoubleDawg1318

                  You lost all credibility when you tried to compare OJ and Murray. Nobody should feel so insulted by his pick that they feel the need to boo him. Period. End of story.

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                • Derek

                  You lost all credibility when said I made a comparison rather than a point. Is it a literacy problem an intelligence issue or both?

                  Frankly, fwiw, I’d forgive Herschel for double murder quicker than if he’d picked Notre Dame on espn. I understand that’s kinda fucked up and I’m sorry for that, but you know “go dawgs!” It’s irrational and disproportionate, but you always go with the dawgs. As far as double murders go there’s a variety of perspectives: https://youtu.be/xSRaaNjzSyo

                  Picking Notre Dame? I can’t understand.

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              • Dawg0572

                I’m with Senator on this. Aaron didn’t deserve that and it’s discraceful. But how is it he’s ok with players taking a knee during the national anthem…..an anthem that is associated with the likes of men and women who have died for this great country? Sorry, I just don’t get it.

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              • TXBaller

                Please don’t denigrate UGA fans….

                Likely a light hearted boo. He made the MSU pick – the fans didn’t agree nor like it – they booed (hell, Philadelphia booed Santa Claus) – if he shows up to Athens next week, he will be loved again & showered with applause.

                ***41 career picks, 10,000 attempts for the most yards in SEC history, 101 yds & 1 int v. Vandy in loss, mhhhh. Your love affair with AM seems to be more than “just football”.

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                • DoubleDawg1318

                  Like you can really tell a difference between “light hearted” and “serious” booing in a stadium. Yeah makes total sense. Sometimes our fans (short for fanatics) are total dicks. Best to acknowledge that and move along rather than trying to defend the indefensible.

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              • McTyre

                I must be a dick as well to agree with you. This tribe mentality is on full display in American politics these days.

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        • David K

          I completely agree with you. It’s passionate fans having fun. Everyone loves Aaron Murray and he knows it. If you think for a second that Tim Tebow wouldn’t get booed for picking against the Gators or any other example then you’re crazy. No outrage warranted here IMO.

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          • 79DawgatWork

            Tebow can take it in good fun because, in fact, Florida fans were never big enough assholes to egg his house after a loss (just threw up in my mouth a little there).
            For people not to be able to recognize that Aaron Murray (1) put it out on the line everytime, no matter what, for the Dawgs, (2) is simply trying to make some coin doing some TV/radio/media work, (3) that no one is going to pay you said coin unless you at least give the appearance of being a straight-shooter (unless your name is Kirk Herbstreit or Lou Holth), and (4)that sometimes in order to give off the straight-shooter narrative, you have to pick against your alma mater, is pretty petty and asinine.
            I think there’s also a big difference between booing Tebow (or Corso, or Pollack) on the Gameday set when they make the pick (which is a fun light atmosphere), and booing a guy before a game when the pick was made a couple of days before on a radio/tv show. Two totally different environments!

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      • SemperFiDawg

        Someone needs to be fired for cancelling him. If people boo then so be it. You can’t legislate every stupid action of others and you shouldn’t have to. PC taken to the extreme. He’s an incredible representative for the University and deserves better.

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    • ChiliDawg

      Agreed. You can’t show a lack of faith in your guys on Friday and then show up Saturday pretending to be the cheerleader. You’ve never heard Herschel Walker pick against Georgia and you never will.

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      • Cojones

        Horseshit.

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      • Otto

        Herschel has never tried to be a sports journalist/analyst.

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        • Derek

          But if he had and he did what AM did he would get brief and polite “shit” from Dawgnation and that’s ok. It’s what espn and PAUL! does with it that causes the concern.

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          • Debby Balcer

            No one would ever boo Hershel ever!!

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          • McTyre

            As if “what ESPN and Paul [do] with it” has nothing to do with fan behavior. The for-profit media is obviously going to serve up what sells and fan-invented “controversies” on message boards and social media are rich sources of marketing data. Is it any wonder that UGA fan blogs and message boards trade heavily in outrage at perceived slights of our teams/programs by media figures? In turn, driving more eyes/easr/clocks to the offending media outlet? Red & Black Snowflakes indeed.

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            • Derek

              There was no behavior. There was a concern that some behavior, if it occurred, could be a pr problem. You know that thing they’ve bitched about BM not respecting or anticipating around here for years?

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      • MDDawg

        I disagree, ChiliDawg. Murray may have thought that MSU would win, but there’s on doubt in my mind that he wanted UGA to win. I don’t think there’s anything “pretend” about where his loyalties lie. As others have pointed out, he has been and continues to be a great ambassador for the university.

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    • PTC DAWG

      You’re off base here for sure

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  4. Rebar

    Bejebus that pisses me off. Murray deserves a lot better treatment from the university and fans. He never quit on us.

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  5. 3rdandGrantham

    Absolutely pathetic. This is why politicians rarely tell us the truth (let alone their true feelings), and I don’t blame them one bit, as they are simply reacting to the masses and their fragile egos It’s also why our country is so polarized these days, as people simply can’t deal with others having different opinions or viewpoints than their own. Oh sure, people say all the time they want honesty and authenticity, but as soon as you give it to them, they go nuts and demand you be silenced in some fashion.

    We had a few folks on this very forum vilify Murray for having the gall to pick MSU – one even said he basically sucked as a QB anyway and should go away. That guy probably would have been one of the ones the AD was worried about booing Murray. It’s funny – all those years many of us (rightfully) ripped guys like Lou Holtz for being blatant, unprofessional homers and picking ND and SCU to win every game. Yet Murray, as one of the good guys, tries to be objective with his selection, and we turn around and rip him too.

    I agree the school was gutless. They should have allowed him to do his thing, and for anyone who would have booed, they would have been on full public display for being complete and total idiots.

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    • That’s not the gutless part I was referring to. This is: “The initial word from UGA was that it was Murray’s decision.”

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    • Charlottedawg

      Your last sentence of your first paragraph is spot on. People say they want truth and honesty then the vast majority lose their shit when they actually hear it because shocker the truth often ugly and complicated.

      It’s also a testament to the dumbing down and over sensitization of the modern world that people are so stupid they can’t make a distinction between who somebody wants to win and who (in this case a broadcast analyst for whom it’s like, you know, his job) somebody thinks is going to win.

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    • You are right. That’s why people can’t deal with Trump. He doesn’t lie like all other politicians. He says what he thinks and that’s what gets him in trouble. He doesn’t hedge it 10 different ways trying to not offend anybody. You may hate what he says, but you can’t say he doesn’t say what he thinks.

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      • David K

        Good lord. The reason people can’t deal with Trump is because he doesn’t lie? That’s quite a statement.

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      • Don in Mar-a-Lago

        “He doesn’t lie like all other politicians.”

        Correct. None of them have the stamina to lie in parables.

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      • Derek

        When has he ever told the truth about anything?

        He lies about everything. He has been on both sides of literally every issue. You can find quotes where he was for and against:

        An increase in the minimum wage
        Higher taxes on the rich
        Single payer health care
        The Iraq war
        Hillary Clinton
        Cutting Medicare and Medicaid

        He says what he thinks people want to hear at any given moment. He’s a con man. He doesn’t believe in anything but Trump, period. He would be for your summary execution if it earned him money, votes, attention or effection. To him you’re just another sucker.

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  6. D.N. Nation

    Murray, as it was during his time in Athens, got worse than he deserved.

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  7. DawgPhan

    I wouldnt piss in the mouth of most UGA fans if their teeth were on fire is the phrase that comes to mind.

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  8. WF Dawg

    Hear, hear, Senator! Murray was, is, and always will be a DGD!

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  9. Minnesota Dawg

    That IS pathetic….but not at all surprising. There is a certain segment of fans (not just UGA, but everywhere) that can’t get their heads wrapped around the distinction between wanting their team to win and objectively thinking that they will win. Even the most die-hard of fans CAN objectively think that Georgia will lose. It doesn’t make them bad or disloyal fans…it just means that they have a less optimistic opinion than others.

    Would these fans treat Munson, the most classic doom-and-bloomer of all, so shabbily? Would the spineless UGA admin pull him from the air for offending the sensitivities of these precious fans, who can abide anything other than pom-poms and rah-rahs?

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  10. Luther

    Didn’t he go out on the field with other former players during a timeout? I thought the people around me were cheering for him. Maybe my memory is not the best due to the creature comforts brewery.

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  11. Boz

    All I can say but is that the AD better make it up to him in SPADES.

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  12. I didn’t like it that Murray picked against us, but that didn’t change one thing about what I think about him. He was doing his job (anytime Herschel gets asked, he asked as a fan not as a paid analyst) when he made his prediction. He’s a DGD who I believe should be in the Circle of Honor when the time is right. When he was introduced with the other Dawgs on the sideline, I couldn’t believe I heard people murmuring and booing him … of course, most of those people thought Mett and Mason should have been the QB during those 4 years.

    The lunatic fringe of our fan base is awful.

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  13. Jared S.

    This is a damn shame.

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  14. Russ

    Stupid, but not surprising. Murray is a DGD and I’m sure he’ll blow it off.

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  15. HiAltDawg

    The savviest part of this is Murray realizing if one boo was heard, the AJC would run wild with it, lol. He still has Georgia’s back regardless of his pre-game pick or our fans’ behavior.

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  16. Otto

    We all know one paper would pick it up and their 2 crack reporters would rate Pulitzer Worthy editorials on it.

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  17. Cojones

    We replied in kind to the aholes who didn’t know Murray and voiced their ignorant replies the other day. Not to acknowledge what would have happened that could make Murray feel badly (as well as all of his fans feeling ashamed of those fans booing) is grinding against the stone of reality.

    Sounds like it was Murray’s decision by him agreeing to it, no matter the disappointment he felt towards the phone call. Did anyone think that perhaps UGA folks wanted to spare him as well as the University the embarrassment from yokels that make up part of our fan base? If he didn’t agree to it Fri nite, then that’s another matter. Certainly I think that we should make up for his disappointment in other ways by honoring him at our next home game and beyond.

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  18. Ozam

    AM is a DGD. Maybe my favorite UGA QB over the past 35 years. I was at the game Saturday and I might have playfully booed….not at AM, but his prediction. Love the sinner….hate the sin! 🙂

    While avoiding a situation, that would have been reported totally out of context, was imho a good decision, expecting BM to not screw it up is unrealistic. We are the case study of how NOT to run public relations!

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  19. Mad Mike

    Wait, somebody clear something up for me, did Murray actually get booed? Or was it just B-M was AFRAID he’d get booed.

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    • Mad Mike

      Because this post reads like the Senator is chastising the fan base for something that didn’t actually happen.

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      • LMAO again. Some of you are critical of the post because AM should have known he would get booed by some in the fan base for making his call on the game. And now here you are saying nothing happened.

        Again, you guys let me know when y’all are on the same page.

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        • Mad Mike

          Did he Call the Dawgs and get booed? No? Then criticizing the fan base because B-M was afraid they would, and overreacted, is kinda dumb dude.

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          • Because the school was totally unjustified in thinking that way? Sure… that egging probably never happened, right?

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            • Mad Mike

              Sure it happened, but there are idiot fans in every fan base for every sport. He still got introduced, and Aaron himself and Seth both said they didn’t hear any boos. So maybe you’re overreacting a bit.

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              • Mike Cooley

                Yeah I must be missing something too. I get that B-M is gutless. No surprise there. And I am disgusted by the house egger slice of the fan base. But the cancellation seems like grounds for criticizing B-M rather than the fan base. Like you said, nobody was booed. Do we honestly think the house eggers represent a large percentage of the fan base? I see no evidence of that. And a smattering of idiots is no reason to assume embarrassment. Every fan base has them and despite the tales told by some of our rivals fans about barely escaping Sanford with their life one step ahead of a crazed mob, I think the majority of us are just passionate and generally pretty well behaved. I don’t get this post or the need for it either. Oh well.

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    • BMan

      I haven’t followed every reply in this thread, but I think Herschel Walker and every resident of the Nissan Heisman House booed Aaron Murray, mostly at Tim Tebow’s encouragement…or some shit like that. //sarcasm (in case it wasn’t obvious)

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  20. NCDAWG

    Please read the full article. It gives a different feel for how it went down. Sounds more like a discussion that that ended in a mutual decision as to what would be best.Sounds also like he got nothing but cheers when he was introduced on the filed. I didn’t hear any boos from fans. I think the university was trying to protect both him and the team and it might have been a prudent move but also a little weak on their part.
    I remember a little backlash when David Pollack first picked against UGA in his first broadcast days but nobody held it against him.
    Aaron will always be one of our favorite Bulldogs for his obvious love of the university and team. DGD

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    • I read the article before I posted. I don’t see how you can reach the conclusion you do based on this one sentence — “The initial word from UGA was that it was Murray’s decision.” — that turned out to be a falsehood. The school made the decision and Murray gracefully went along with that.

      A mutual decision would be more along the lines of letting AM have some input into the decision before it was made.

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  21. Bob

    If anyone believes that this was not just another case of McGarity being a disgusting weasel, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you. Disgusting is far too mild. I am comfortable that some would have booed and then I am also comfortable that those idiots would have been drowned out by cheers. No soul has ever given more of himself for this program. He is trying to be a broadcaster. Miss State looked like dynamite the week before. No rational person could have been certain that Georgia was as good as they were Saturday night. I think almost all of us were uncertain. How good was/is Notre Dame? Otherwise we beat two nobodies. Nothing about Murray’s selection was unrealistic. And as someone else said, it is who Aaron THOUGHT would win, not who he HOPED would win. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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  22. Go Dawgs!

    I’m not real sure this is on the fanbase, Senator. It’s definitely on any moron who booed him when he was introduced, or who would have booed when he called the Dawgs, but nobody was given the chance. The school did this preemptively, much like the idiots at ESPN who were worried about Robert Lee’s name causing a Deadspin post had he called the game at UVA. In that case, ESPN was a laughing stock anyway. In this case, UGA is a laughing stock anyway. The lesson? Institutions need to stop trying to outsmart themselves and have a little faith in people. Otherwise, you end up with garbage like this.

    While we’re at it, Aaron Murray and David Pollack will occasionally have opinions contrary to Georgia YouTube Fan Boy. It’s their job to be objective. They still love UGA as much as if not more than we do.

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  23. CB

    Glad he broke all those records. Should have asked David Greene instead.

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    • CB

      Are we seriously outraged by this? Who really cares whether Aaron Murray calls the Dawgs or not? Talk about snowflakes. It was his own dumb fault for pulling a David Pollack and picking Miss State. The difference is Pollack is universally loved for his on field production. Fair or foul, Murray knows where he stands with the fan base.

      He seems like a good dude, and I would much rather hang with him than Pollack, but sometimes it’s more important to try to be wise than to be right. Plus, picks are probably the lowest form of football analysis so who are you really going to impress by being right? It’s a 50/50 guess.

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  24. South FL Dawg

    From the guy chastising Tarkenton?

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  25. Hogbody Billy Martin

    I feel strongly both ways. After all, I’m not one to argue.

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  26. John Denver is full of shit...

    Worrying is like sitting in a rock chair, you can do it all day, but you won’t get anywhere.

    How do you tell a guy that gave a ACL and all the heart we could hope for out of any dawg, not to mention also broke Peytons Passing Yds Record, that he can’t call the dawgs????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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  27. ag

    I don’t get the disagreement. Love Murray, great guy, wouldn’t have booed him…but I think its perfectly reasonable to postpone his appearance in this situation.

    How can you have anybody call the dawgs, who publicly picked them to lose?
    “This guy thinks we’ll lose, lets have him emcee our pep rally” or “Maybe you shouldn’t emcee our pep rally, all the fans know you picked us to lose”.
    Perfectly reasonable.

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    • Derek

      Didn’t you get the outrage memo? We’re not supposed to think or use logic. Just get enraged at any and every perceived slight especially at those with whom you share an allegiance or interest.

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      • Mad Mike

        Holy crap! I agree with Derek. The end is nigh!

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        • Derek

          I’m pretty sure “holy crap” is blasphemy! How dare you! I am outraged!

          There are probably so people who fear the “end times” whose anxiety will be heightened by that observation as well.

          You should have sent your post to the National Sensitivity Board for editing to ensure that your thoughts could not hurt the fee fees of any known human being living, dead or to be born in the future.

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  28. Damn Good Dawg

    My issue wasn’t with the potential fan reaction…its the “gutless” reaction from the UGA that is/was disappointing. I cant believe i am even surprised!

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  29. Will Trane

    If Murray is such a “good” Dawg, why did he go against his team. That is like being in Sanford and booing Larry Munson. There is just some things you do not do, whether it is right or wrong. May think it or be inclined, but sometimes it is best not to go against your brothers.
    How many of those “good” old Dawgs went against him when he was playing?
    Sort of like some of those NFL players, owners and coaches. You made your point last year. Get over it. Move on. Stand up or take a knee, nobody wants to see you dudes play. Their message to you players is to take your footballs and shove them up your ass!
    Falcons, yeah, you alleged pros were put on your knees many times. That is your comfort zone. Probably there for more than football. Arthur Blank, how appropriate. Draws blanks every time they get to the Super Bowl. How embarrassing that would be to get kicked in the butt like that. Those guys should be ashamed to even show up on a field.
    Trump was kind to them. Most folks in Georgia have way more choice words for them. Losers, being the kindest.
    Justice Department should look into them for fraud, they fraudulently claim to be a pro team. When? Super Champs? When? How long have they been in town. Maybe they could hire Murray.

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