There is no quarterback controversy.

Barrett Sallee thinks it’s game over, Fromm’s won.

To put it more succinctly, the offense is developing under Fromm and Chaney. It’s expanding and stretching the field deep consistently…

To translate the coachspeak, Fromm is Smart’s guy and will stay that way unless the progress that has already been displayed somehow regresses to a point where Eason is needed.

It’s unlikely that’s going to happen, though.

With all due respect to Barrett, he’s sort of on the right track with his argument, but ultimately, it ain’t about Fromm vs. Eason.  Matt Hinton explains why.

Beyond the stat line, though — or even the scoreboard, really — what was most encouraging for the immediate future was how snugly all of the pieces fit together: The running game held up its end of the game plan, racking up 203 yards while consistently keeping its fledgling QB out of down-and-distance danger, and Fromm held up his, reliably eviscerating the MSU secondary off play-action.

In fact, given that it faced only two or three predictable passing downs with the outcome still (theoretically) in doubt, arguably all of Georgia’s success through the air was to some extent an extension of its success on the ground.

In short, it was exactly what Georgia has always envisioned for its offense at its best: A complementary, run-first attack that exceeds the sum of its many talented parts. It’s a system designed to turn a merely efficient signal-caller into a star. And as long as it continues to keep him in his comfort zone, everything we’ve seen so far suggests Fromm is ready for his closeup.  [Emphasis added.]

The running game is clicking.  The offensive line is rounding into some semblance of competency.  The end result is that Georgia’s offense doesn’t have to rely on throwing the ball to win.  Take a look at this season’s passing game log:

  • Appalachian State:  20 attempts, 113.24 passer rating
  • Notre Dame:  29 attempts, 100.49 passer rating
  • Samford:  15 attempts, 224.00 passer rating
  • Mississippi State:  12 attempts, 270.70 passer rating

Noticing any sort of a pattern there?

When you only need your quarterback to take a dozen shots a game with the ball because the rest of your offense is performing at a satisfactory level, you can make it with any talented quarterback, including a true freshman (although it certainly helps to have a precocious one like Fromm).  But I have a hard time believing Georgia couldn’t succeed equally well with Eason only having to put up 12-15 passing attempts a game.  Ultimately, if this keeps up, I don’t care who’s taking snaps.

Now, I’ll admit there’s a big “if” in that last sentence.  Hinton delves into that possibility.

The looming question at this point is how Fromm will look when the down-and-distance and the defense aren’t as favorable. Against Mississippi State, the offense was so efficient on first and second down that he barely faced any must-throw situations on third; all three of his successful third-down completions (including the long TD to Nauta) came on 3rd-and-5 or less. Can he consistently deliver from the pocket if it’s 3rd-and-8 and Chubb and Michel have been held in check?

We haven’t seen enough to know, but right now the answer is not obviously yes. To date only one of his nine pass attempts on 3rd-and-7 or longer has resulted in a first down, and his only interception came on a predictable passing down at Notre Dame.

So, yeah, it’s been smooth sailing for a couple of games now, and, yeah, there were a couple of head-scratching moments — or, maybe fairer, true freshman moments — in South Bend.  But we’re two games past that, which means Fromm’s experience has doubled.  He doesn’t strike me as a kid who’s going to regress significantly.

And before you go there, no, I don’t think Eason would be a step backwards if Fromm defies my expectations in tough times.  For one thing he’s got a lot more experience, but more than that, he’s got things like this working in his favor.

Maybe it takes him a little time to shake off the habits of 2016, but a well-protected blind side makes any quarterback better.  Add to that a better stable of running backs, what appears to be developing depth at wide receiver and Eason’s in a happier situation than what he was burdened with last season.  Yeah, I think he can succeed with that.

That’s why I say there’s no controversy.  For the first time in a long while, Georgia is blessed with quality depth at the position and appears to be providing real support either way things go there.  I honestly don’t care who starts, because I think either quarterback can deliver.  If you’re a Georgia fan, that may be a strange place to be, but I sure could get used to it.

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  1. Derek

    “Ultimately, if this keeps up, I don’t care who’s taking snaps.”

    Exactly my thoughts. I would also say that benching a healthy Eason is less than optimal. We have zero scholarship qbs on the roster behind Fromm in 2018 and no guarantee we’ll sign anyone.

    They’ve got to figure out a way of keeping eason in the fold.

    I say play both because it probably doesn’t matter much whose taking the snaps. It keeps eason happy and it keeps both sharp in the event one goes down

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  2. Puffdawg

    Thank you for articulating what I was feeling. I love what Fromm has been able to do so far, and I look forward to watching him continue to grow. I’m just reminded of the old saying, “It’s never as good as it seems, and it’s never as bad as it seems.” I think it’s impossible to pull Fromm as the starter from where we stand today, but I just wouldn’t totally count out Jacob Eason yet. He’s a talented QB too.

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  3. Nail, meet hammer. Hammer, this is my friend nail.

    “what the?!? You just hit my friend, nail?!? On the head?!?

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  4. Russ

    Amazing how much Wynn has improved. Last year he couldn’t beat out a transfer from RI, and this year he’s tops in the league.

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    • Puffdawg

      That’ll go down as one of the more bizarre stories of 2016. That “transfer from RI” made an NFL roster, so obviously the talent is there. But if memory serves, he wasn’t that great for us. Maybe chalk it up to new system for him, new coaches for us. Just weird that he’s now on an NFL roster.

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      • Mayor

        Not really so weird. Catalina was playing tackle at Georgia. He’s playing guard in the NFL. He was being played at the wrong position in Athens because they didn’t have anyone else.

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        • Jeff Sanchez

          Except for the guy who is playing there now and may be the best in the league.

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          • Snoop Dawgy Dawg

            one of the many head scratchers from 2016 that caused me(and others) to question what the heck Pittman was doing. Yes he is a great coach and recruiter, but what did he see that we didn’t?

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    • Mayor

      That graduate transfer is playing on Sundays for the Refskins now. Just sayin.’

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    • I have an admittedly out there theory that Pittmann and Kirby played Catalina to that they could recruit Thomas and Wilson by telling them that both tackle spots would be open for competition the next year. I refuse to believe they honestly thought Wynn wasn’t better than Catalina. Perhaps they thought with Cat and Wynn at guard it was an improvement over Wynn at LT and whoever at guard, but that feels like a stretch to me.

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      • Mike Cooley

        Underwater, upside down, Hungry Hungry Hippos being played by Kirby and Pittman? I would rather believe that than the alternative. People keep bringing up Catalina beig on an NFL roster as if that somehow negates the fact that he was honestly terrible when he played for us. It doesn’t.

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        • Biggen

          Pretty much this. The guy was aweful for UGA. It’s fine he is finding success now and I’m happy for him. But the fact was he was just terrible playing for the Dawgs last year.

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          • Mayor

            Ok, let me say it clearly. Catalina is a guard in the NFL. He was playing tackle at Georgia. OL positions are different and require different skill sets. Like DBs require different skill sets–cornerbacks have different skill requirements from safeties. Catalina was being played out of position. Why? I don’t know why.

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  5. Russ

    Speaking of QB’s, did anyone else watch the Texas-Iowa State game last night? Is Jacob Park a head case or what? That Iowa State coach needs to nip that “yelling at the coach” stuff in the bud or he’ll lose the team. And Park wasn’t good enough to risk that.

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    • bulldogbry

      I saw it. He’s lucky he threw that TD pass right after the argument so they could have their “you complete me” moment. Otherwise, coach might have ripped him a new one right there on the sidelines.

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      • Debby Balcer

        Jacob has been playing for them since last year and been doing amazing. I did not watch last night so I can’t comment on what happened.

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        • Russ

          I’ve only seen the one game, but he was pretty bad, and on top of that really showed his ass yelling at the head coach on the sideline and basically behaving like a high school kid, not someone that’s in his 5th year of eligibility. Announcers were talking about it as well. I was surprised by all the histrionics. I couldn’t imagine that on our sideline.

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  6. Bright Idea

    Regardless of the circumstances in which Eason next enters a game a collective groan will come from a good segment of the fans. His first incompletion will compound it. That and social media commentary may be enough to run him off. I hope not.

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  7. Greg

    Fromm controls his destiny…and I feel that he will ( with continued good play). The good thing is, thinks Eason will learn from him and what has happened, just hope he does not decide to transfer.

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    • Mayor

      Eason’s likely gone. He’s lost the job starting job and has the type of arm talent that requires him to be in an O that is pass-first where he throws the ball 40 times per game anyway. I’m betting on Washington State as his most likely next stop. Also, if he doesn’t play in any more games this season he likely can keep another season of eligibility making him a very attractive transfer candidate for another school.

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      • Snoop Dawgy Dawg

        Washington, USC, UCLA, or Miami would be my guesses on where he goes next.

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      • Greg

        Somebody needs to talk some sense into him if he decides to look around. Gonna be competition no matter where he goes, especially if he is lucky enough to make it to the next level. The best thing he can do, is to learn from all of this, buckle down….fight harder. Thinks that will make him a better person and QB. Running ain’t the answer imo….

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        • Russ

          I agree with this. Definitely a learning moment, though I suspect it will be hard. If we get that dual threat QB, it’s going to be very crowded in the backfield.

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        • If you aren’t going to be the starter and have NFL plans, you leave … and I wouldn’t blame him.

          He has an NFL arm and size now. He needs to be coached to play the position. The Pirate, The Crayon (if he leaves CSU), and The Guy Who Recruited Him are lining up to talk to Tony and Jacob if he decides to move on.

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          • Greg

            It takes more than an NFL arm/size to be an NFL QB. You can say the same about a College QB….and you are seeing that play out now. As far as the coaching part goes, our current QB seems to be adjusting to his coach okay to me. A coach/teacher can only do so much, mostly up to the QB/student.

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            • Sitting on the bench for the next 2 years to get spot playing time is not what Eason signed up for. If the season ends with Fromm as the starter, Eason is gone to Pullman, Seattle, or Miami among others. I wouldn’t blame him. I also wouldn’t blame Smart and Chaney.

              There’s only 1 ball and a team with 2 QBs has none.

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              • Greg

                If a freshman can beat him out now, the pastures may not be any greener at those other places. Running from competition is not the answer.

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                • Got Cowdog

                  I would not consider it running from competition. It’s hearing “Thanks, but he’s our guy. We love having you here but…” and deciding to pursue other options. I think competition is great, but once it’s settled it needs to stay settled for the good of the team. I was and still am a vocal supporter of Eason, I like his size and skill set. I also like what the team looks like right now and as a casual fan would prefer Kirby not screw with it.

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                • Greg

                  There needs to be competition every day, that is what makes good teams great. Who knows if he transfers or not, too early to even guess. Nonetheless, hope he stays…

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                • Got Cowdog

                  I disagree. The type of competition that fosters leadership change is often very disruptive to a group. Read “Call of the Wild”. Old classic but a great tenet on leadership and success.

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                • Greg

                  Nobody said “competition that fosters leadership change” (other than you). How in the wide world of sports get that out of what I said?? Was saying that there “needs to be competition every day”….it is healthy, makes a team better.

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  8. Jack Burton

    “But I have a hard time believing Georgia couldn’t succeed equally well with Eason only having to put up 12-15 passing attempts a game”

    Disagreement here. Not a chance Eason starts 8/8 last week. But if the time comes where we end up with Eason back in there I hope to hell you are right and I’m wrong.

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    • not a chance? Based on what evidence? I watched the game twice and none of those throws were ones I haven’t seen Eason make.

      Look I like Fromm and think he’s done great. But this narrative that Eason can’t hit the broad side of a barn is simply false.

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      • Jack Burton

        Based on the fact that he struggles with accurate deep balls and quick drop timing passes.

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        • Absolute nonsense.

          As a freshman behind the worst OL I’ve ever seen Georgia trot out, he complete 50% of his passes from 3rd and 10 or longer. He threw only 8 picks last year and 2-3 were tipped by bad-handed receivers.

          Fromm overthrew multiple wide receivers on deep balls, and has under thrown a lot of dudes too. That’s not a knock on Fromm, deep ball timing in a game situation is the hardest thing for a frosh to do. Murray struggled real bad his first 2 years.

          I’m not saying Eason should start, but this Fromm over Eason love is being justified by revisionist history and it’s unfair to Eason, who was the only bright spot on a terrible offense last year (well, Sony too).

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          • Russ

            Well said. Lots of selective memories around here.

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            • and I get some of it. Dawg fans, myself included, were told that Eason was better than Payton Manning. Then we watched a kid struggle some at times and it was frustrating. But with that OL Payton would have struggled (anyone remember his first year with the Colts?) too.

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          • Biggus Rickus

            Chubb and Mackenzie were good, too. Wims finished strong. But otherwise, I totally agree with you. Fromm may or may not be better than Eason, but there’s certainly no evidence definitively proving it one way or the other.

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        • Puffdawg

          By golly, this was fun to watch… for a minute. I love Fromm too, but Spence is dead on here. Eason is not getting the love he deserves from our fans.

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          • “Not getting the love he deserves from our fans”

            Sounds like every QB we’ve had since Shock.

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            • Biggus Rickus

              I thought people loved Stafford a little more than he deserved, actually. People still talk about his 2006 season as if it was good.

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              • Greg

                Agree…much better pro QB than college.

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              • All people said about Stafford was great QB but was more interested in his NFL future than winning at UGA.

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              • Nothing special about 2006 until the Auburn game, but Staff did everything he could to carry the team his last season in Athens. I’ll always admire him for going back to Massaquoi late in the Kentucky game after two straight fumbles.

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              • Puffdawg

                Stafford committed early, never wavered, started as a true freshman, led us to a Sugar Bowl victory in 2007, and led the SEC in passing at least in 2008 (not sure about 2007). He was saddled with 10th best scoring defense in 2008, unfortunately. We just gave up a lot of points that year. DGD in my opinion and I feel he also doesn’t get the credit and love he deserves. Perspective is a funny thing man. Maybe neither one of us is wrong.

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                • Biggus Rickus

                  I like Stafford, for the record, and his 2018 season was great. I just think people tended to overrate him early in his career because of his personality and arm strength. That may just be my memory, as ee pointed out above that some underrated him.

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                • Biggus Rickus

                  2008, obviously.

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                • Russ

                  While his 2006 stats were not great (lots of INTs), he improved steadily through the season. If nothing else, the beating he took (and never complained about) in Lexington should show his toughness. And going into Auburn and just stomping them will always be a highlight for me.

                  I agree that we tend to skew to one side or the other when we evaluate players. But to me, Stafford deserves his praise and it’s a shame he didn’t have a good defense to support him (same with Murray).

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            • Russ

              I’m pretty sure back in 1892 the students were yelling for ol’ Rufus B. Nally to replace that bum Blanton Winship. It happens every year. There are still some here that swear Murray was a bum and we’d have won 4 straight MNCs if Hutson Mason had been the starter.

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  9. Junkyardawg41

    Eason and Fromm both have strengths and shortcomings. Eason has the most upside because of physical gifts. Fromm just seems to outwork the competition. i think Fromm is the more accurate passer. I say think because comparing last year to this year is unfair for Eason. Maybe all these things going right for our offense means Eason would be great as well. I think the right approach still goes back to earning PT through practice. If Eason has taken the time off to study game film with the spotlight off him and improve, awesome. If he has taken the time to enjoy Athens life, good for him…. just don’t be disappointed if you don’t get PT.

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  10. AusDawg85

    Looks like Kirby has a philosophy for handling this, and being a “D Guy” probably doesn’t have the same relationship with his QB’s that former QB coaches have. He’s plainly stated from the beginning that practice determines who starts. Said it again this week. I’m sure he’ll start Fromm at UT, but not hesitate to put Eason in if things are going south in a hurry. I would also expect to see Eason start again if he truly “wins” in practice.

    Tough call, but I bet this is not the thing that has Kirby up at night. Keeping the entire team focused on The Process 2.0 and not letting the hype get to them is likely job #1 for him right now.

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  11. Fromm has only had to pitch it around one game and in that game he was very average. I hope he’s grown a lot since ND, and I think we’ll find out this weekend. I think Tenn gives UGA its best shot. The season essentially ends for Tenn in terms of winning anything should it lose this weekend.

    UGA jumped out big on MissSt and Fromm never had to really stress (nor did Chaney, for that matter). If Tenn can keep the game tight early I will be very curious to see how Fromm (and Chaney) handles it.

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    • Biggus Rickus

      I’m not sure they can. I know, emotion and cornered animals and all of that, but they aren’t any good defending the run.

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      • I want to believe this. I want to think UGA will run for 5 YPC all day and walk up and down the field, but I’m a bit nervous as this is exactly the kind of CFB game that’s grows tight. Rivalry games with one team against the wall though still with some quality talent. If UGA walks into Neyland and takes care of business without much worry I’ll fully buy into them being a legit playoff contender.

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  12. The Truth

    I don’t care who starts as long as THE PLAYERS don’t care who starts. If it’s an even steven battle but the team responds to one’s leadership or leadership style over the other, then that’s the guy.

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    • Jared S.

      Good point. But I’ll also add that if it’s “even Steven” then CKS should trust whatever his OC tells him. Ask Chaney who he wants executing the game plan that week. That’s your starter.

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  13. diving duck

    Eason carried the team at times last year. Fromm hasn’t been asked to do that. I’d love to see what he could do with this new found production from the o-line. Eventually, the qb will have to win us a game this season and it’s annoying to me how quickly the fan base has written him off.

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    • Jack Burton

      What if we wrote him off last year? He has trouble completing 3 step slants

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      • Letting a guy you wrote off in 2016 start the first game of the 2017 season? Interesting theory.

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      • Otto

        No doubt Eason had problems from under center last year but did rather well from shotgun. We heard talk that Eason had worked on this but we do not as fans have a sample size large enough to know if he had greatly improved.

        Fromm has played very well for a true Freshman but hasn’t been asked to win the game and is benefiting from OL play that protects him and opens up the ground game.

        It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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        • McTyre

          If I had to bet, Kirby Smart doesn’t see shotgun snaps as a feature of his QB’s skill set or a strong running game a bug in his offensive philosophy. Eason’s presumed superiority over Fromm in a “shootout” situations may not be compelling to Kirby. Seeing the field well and throwing with accuracy may trump arm strength, height and 13 more starts.

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    • DD, totally agree.

      FORTY times last year, Eason was in 3rd and 10+ to go and had to throw the ball. Those are impossible spots for anyone, especially with our line. He completed 50% of his passes. That’s insane. The kid can flat out play, yet some people think they know football and write him off because he “can’t complete 3 step slants,” whatever those are.

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  14. Go Dawgs!

    I agree that I think Jacob Eason could succeed just as well with the way things are clicking right now. But if I get a vote, I want Fromm starting. I think that he’s got some intangible leadership qualities that the team responds to. And, frankly, I think he’s more accurate with the football. It just seems like the team responds in a different way when he plays. I think Eason is a damn fine player. But I want Fromm taking snaps when the game’s on the line. And, that was 100% NOT my opinion when the year started. I hate having a true freshman out there, hated it last year and wanted to avoid it this year. But… this kid’s the truth.

    I’m glad Eason is going to make the trip to Knoxville in case the moment gets too big for State Fromm, but I don’t believe that it will be.

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      “But if I get a vote, I want Fromm starting. … frankly, I think he’s more accurate with the football.”

      I agree Fromm seems to throw a more catchable pass (whatever that is). And he also seems to have more confidence in the pocket.

      Another good game, and win of course, by Fromm tomorrow might essentially cement the QB job for him. It’ll take a dramatic fall from grace or injury to get him out of there if he continues the success of the first 4 games.

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  15. Bill Glennon

    They say a true frosh QB will cost you at least 2 games in a season. Eason showed that last year with the losses to GT and Vandy. I predict that Fromm will struggle and Eason will come in to relieve him in a game this year. Ironically, that is also the only scenario in which Eason could come in now and not have the situation devolve into a QB controversy where people resent him for supplanting Fromm.

    Fromm will struggle. Miss State was ready to stack the line and make Fromm beat them, but had to back off because of the flea flicker. If we get down in a game and the other side can make Fromm throw, it will be different.

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  16. DoubleDawg1318

    I want Eason to eventually win back his job. I like Fromm but Eason has the higher ceiling. Like the post says, we don’t know how Fromm would perform when asked to when the game through the air. I think Eason can win the game through the air assuming he fixes his atrocious footwork and speeds up his decision processing.

    Ultimately, I’m asking who can beat Alabama (and Clemson). I don’t see any scenario where we run wild on those teams and thus it will take some great passing to win. Eason has the cannon to fit throws into NFL windows and barring a dual threat QB like Watson or Manziel, that is what you need to beat a great defense like Bama’s.

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    • Jack Burton

      “I think Eason can win the game through the air assuming he fixes his atrocious footwork and speeds up his decision processing.”

      Think about that assumption. Literally the two most important aspects of playing QB in our system.

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      • I’ll give you this – Fromm makes quick decisions and gets the ball out. Sometimes too quick. Eason is the opposite, and he does need to work on it. Some of that may be the types of plays that are called – Eason was asked to pass a lot in long yardage situations and it just takes longer to get down the field.

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      • DoubleDawg1318

        I agree. I supposed I should have said “fixed those things since last year.” He hasn’t had a chance to demonstrate whether those are fixed but he did win the job out of camp so I’m assuming at the very least, he didn’t get worse. Let them compete in practice and may the best man win. I’m just saying I hope Eason lives up to his potential because his ceiling is higher than Fromm’s.

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  17. Charles

    Eason looked pretty bad in his three series against App State, so I don’t share the same confidence yet, although you did make a good point that he may still have to shake off his learned anxiety from last year’s struggles. If that’s the case, he could probably do very well. But I think a large part of why things are working as well as they are is that Fromm is able to consistently deliver a catchable ball downfield. Doesn’t matter how strong the arm is if the accuracy is poor enough to roll the dice on letting him try to complete it — the running game won’t benefit. Fromm is a consistent threat that keeps them having to be consistently honest, at minimum.

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    • And Fromm looked pretty bad when he threw the pick against ND. Kind of a small sample size to judge, innit?

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      • 81Dog

        Senator, do you think one reason Fromm has succeeded so far is Cheney has actually been pretty clever (if not particularly flashy) in his playcalling? At this point, it seems to me like the passing plays are mostly set up to get the ball out of Fromm’s hands quickly, and the deep attempts are mostly play action tries not in obvious blitz/pressure situations. I think Fromm has done a great job, and I am impressed with his poise, maybe even his Belue-like mystique, but is the OL a lot better, or are we scheming a lot better? I’m no X and O guy, so I’m asking.

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        • I do think that’s some of it. But I also think the improvement on the o-line is giving Chaney more to work with than he had last year.

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          • j4k372

            Yes everyone is going to hail the new improved OL as the reason Fromm is succeeding and Eason failed last year. It couldn’t be the football intelligence, quick decision making, and accuracy of Fromm versus the slow reads and inaccurate throws of Eason. No it is the OL. Maybe the OL looks better because we have a QB back there that is making the correct checks at the line and making fast decisions. Just maybe a little bit.

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        • The OL is worlds better. Wynn is a revelation at LT on passing downs. Thomas is a stud at right tackle. There’s been so little edge pass rushing it’s absurd. Eason got scared but rightfully so, he never had any time to throw the ball and was surprised when he did.

          Because they can give time, it allows Fromm to throw the ball, which backs the defense off.

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        • Greg

          Basically 4 things imo:

          1) He doesn’t hold the ball as long…long, medium or short passes.

          2) He is more accurate.

          3) He leads and communicates better imo.

          4) He picks things up a rapid pace….or something to that effect (Chaney quote).

          All these things help make the line look and play better. Hard to put 8 and 9 in the box when you are completing passes. The whole team becomes involved.

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          • ok let’s play devil’s advocate here –

            Fromm is way less careful with the ball than Eason. While he only has one pick, he should have 3-4 more that the defense just didn’t grab. The one he threw was flat awful. Eason threw 5 legit picks last year, maybe only 4 as I think 2-3 were drops and at least one was a hail mary into the endzone. Yes, he’s slow with the ball, but he’s also careful with it.

            I hope I’m wrong, but Fromm is going to throw 1-2 picks tomorrow against a decent pass rush. And those will be balls that I don’t think Eason puts in jeopardy. That said, Fromm will make some quick decisions that will pay off too.

            Fromm is not more accurate than Jacob Eason. His long balls certainly are not, and the jury’s out on the shorter routes. Yes, App State, I watched the game.

            As for communication, I can’t say one way or another and neither can you. People mistake correlation for causation – the team is winning so it must be Fromm’s leadership. Well, it also may be that we have a defense and actual tackles on the outside of the line now. The point is that we just don’t know if Fromm is leading the team better than Eason or not, so to say differently is speculation, or as you put it, an opinion.

            I thought Eason picked up the playbook pretty good last year, you know, as a true freshman that won the starting job in game 1.

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      • Charles

        “Kind of a small sample size to judge, innit?”

        I know you were asking rhetorically, but you’ve happened to ask a question that warrants a straight answer — no, not really.

        If you observe certain events that would be rare under some assumptions, even a small sample can be informative (this is the whole idea behind the Bayesian prior). If you select one can of food at random from the manufacturing line for testing and find it has poison in it, you have confirmed that you have a problem — sample of one.

        Eason was on the field for fewer than 10 snaps, and during that time, we saw him hold the ball far too long, get sacked once, run for no gain once, and badly miss on what should have been a relatively simple throw. The offense went 3-and-out twice and was seemingly headed in that direction again when he left the game with injury. Under the assumption that Eason had ironed out his accuracy and awareness and decision-making struggles from last year, the kind of performance we saw would be extremely unlikely. Therefore, I am not convinced that he’s ironed those things out.

        Now you made a good point that Eason may have just needed time to shrug off the psychological effects of last year or whatever. And so I’m by no means writing him off entirely, which is clear in my original comment. But what evidence we do have from this season is entirely in line with the problems we saw from Eason last year, even at the end of the year.

        There’s also the data point that as soon as Fromm went into the game we started moving the ball and have looked like a competent if imperfect offense ever since.

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        • Jeff Sanchez

          ^^^^All this^^^^
          Nice job

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        • Therefore, I am not convinced that he’s ironed those things out.

          I already knew that. 🙂

          As I said, I’m not invested in either quarterback as the starter, because I think Georgia can win with either one. Which is why I tend to believe Smart when he says once Eason’s back healthy, whoever practices best starts. And that’s how it should be.

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          • Charles

            We’re on the same page there. If Eason really is better than what Fromm’s done so far and can do it in games, we’re going to be having a very fun season.

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    • I’m going to throw my computer against when the wall the next person says “Eason looked bad against App State.” Three passes. And it ignores all he did last year, like winning the game against Mizz, and almost winning it against UT.

      Unreal. Absolutely unreal.

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      • I thought we were beating UT until Eason, after a pump fake, coughed up the ball in own end zone? Did that not happen?

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      • AusDawg85

        Forget it Spence…it’s GTP.

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      • whispers Eason looked bad against App State
        ducks

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      • Jeff Sanchez

        It was the fact that it was the SAME mistakes we saw all last year all over again – overthrows, happy feet, slow decision making.

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        • He threw the ball three times. Completed one of those. You’re talking about TWO incompletions. TWO.

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          • Jeff Sanchez

            So, a 33% completion rate.

            Care to address the happy feet and decision making?

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            • Have addressed it a billion times all over this blog and my own.

              33% OVER THREE PASSES.
              He did have happy feet last year, which is what happens when Catalina protects your blindside. We have no idea how he’d be doing this year.
              His decision-making is pretty damn good. For a freshman, he barely turned the ball over at all last year. Fromm has been far more reckless throwing the ball than Eason ever has been. Both sides of that coin have ups and downs.

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              • Greg

                “more reckless”??….Which stats show that??

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                • Fromm should have 3-4 INTs and has a fumble in 4 games. From what my own eyes tell me, Fromm is much more likely to huck it to the other team, something Eason did rarely. I think everyone anointing Fromm the next Tim
                  Couch based on his 9 completions last week is going to be in for a rude awakening when he throws 2 tomorrow. I don’t want that to happen, but Knoxville is a TOUGH place for a young qb, especially a “gunslinger”

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                • Greg

                  “Shoulda, coulda, woulda”…but didn’t. If you want to compare, compare facts…what actually happened. They don’t count near interceptions for a reason, cause it didn’t happen. But if I had to guess, Eason had his share too. Nobody is anointing Fromm as the next Tim Couch….and Fromm may have a tough time in Knoxville, I actually expect it, the place is loud. All I know is Fromm and company is 4 & 0, it would be crazy to make a change now and that Kirby should ride that horse for now.

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      • Charles

        He did look bad against App State. Sorry for the damage to your computer. Feel free to read my comment immediately above if you want to discuss the point further.

        And no, it does not ignore all he did last year. He had some great moments last year. Nobody has ever knocked Eason for his wow moments — it’s been consistency all along.

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    • He threw the ball three times.

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  18. Sanford222view

    I don’t envy the position Kirby is in one bit. This is a delicate situation to handle. Obviously you want to start the player that gives you the best chance to win but you also hate seeing someone lose his starting role due to injury. On the other hand, Fromm and his dad won’t be happy if Eason gets the starting role back after how he has played either (anyone else heard about Emerson calling Kirby not happy they are recruiting top QB prospects behind Jake?).

    If Eason decides to transfer then you basically have one QB on the roster and who knows how QB recruits view this from the outside. Do they think, ” hey I can start early at Gerogia if I earn it!” or “whoah, Coach Smart could easily bench me for the next young stud QB prospect in line if I twist an ankle!”. Managing all the egos and how the choice impacts the team will not be fun or easy.

    I agree with playing whomever practices better in theory but QB isn’t like any other position on the field. Spurrier used to ride the hot hand or yank his QB for under performing but that doesn’t work a majority of the time. Because of team chemistry, the center/QB exchange, and timing with receivers, you need to pick one guy and stick with him until it is proven a change needs to be made for some reason.

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  19. Otto

    If we work on the assumption, Fromm has the job, we can also work on the assumption that Eason will transfer.

    Does UGA have backup recruit in the advent Fields does not commit to UGA? Ramsey will be gone leaving UGA without a backup QB.

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  20. Eason reminds me of Stafford, Fromm reminds me of Murray.

    Murray threw the back-shoulder better than any college QB I’ve ever seen. He seemed to have a leadership quality that others didn’t. Stafford could zip a ball through the tiniest of windows. He played well behind not-so-good OLs in 2006 and 2008 and showed a lot of toughness. Both were at their best when the defense was sublime and the running game was dominant. It remains to be seen what lasting legacy Fromm and Eason will create, but as long as the team has a sublime defense and a dominant running game, I think both QBs will be quite successful.

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  21. Coweta Dawg

    Sounds like in practice Eason was active in scrambling and facing pressure and was looking OK as far as the knee. I will be surprised if we don’t see at least a few series of Eason on Saturday. Kirby will give him a chance to prove he’s as or more capable than Fromm. And then we’ll see where it goes.

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  22. Rampdawg

    Kirby is at the craps table with a hot blonde and a hot brunette. He’s laying down C Notes and gives the di to the blonde. She throws snake eyes, acey deucey and box cars on her 1st three throws. She then breaks a heel on her shoe and has to go back to the room to get another pair. While gone, Kirby hands the di to the brunette. She throws 4 sevens, 2 elevens and makes point 5 times. Kirby is up 5 Gs. Blonde is now back and wants to throw again. If you are Kirby, what is your play?
    Bad analogy I know, but if I’m Kirby, I lay 5 Cs and go with the hot hand.

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  23. paul

    If we take Kirby at his word, the best player in practice starts the game, what makes you think Eason won’t beat Fromm out in practice? He was the clear cut starter at the beginning of the year precisely because he beat Fromm out in practice. What makes you think he can’t do it again? Fromm has been successful because we’ve been able to get away with running a very simplified offense that takes pressure off the quarterback. It’s doubtful we can continue to do that all season.

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  24. Uglydawg

    “When you only need your quarterback to take a dozen shots a game with the ball because the rest of your offense is performing at a satisfactory level, you can make it with any talented quarterback, ”
    SHEEEEIIIIITTT! Maybe CPJ IS a genius?

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  25. Uglydawg

    …”talented quarterback”..this is why UGA retired Reggie’s #.

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  26. junkyardawg41

    The conversation seems revolves around which QB is your guy. For those who like Fromm over Eason, people point out what he has done this year vs what Eason did last year. For those who like Eason, they will point out bad O lines, not enough body of work to see what improvements Eason has made. Eason won the starting job in camp. All of these are good points. When it comes down to it, what would it take for someone who is an Eason fan to say that Fromm should start and what would it take for a Fromm fan to say Eason should start.
    Let’s say Eason ends up getting the start Saturday and goes 6 for 19 for 120 yards with 2TDs and 1 Int. UGA wins 19-7. Does that change the mind of those that thinks Eason is better? Or does it become a conversation around he is rusty, the O line didn’t play well, the receivers aren’t getting open? On the flip side, Fromm starts, goes 14-15 with 3TDs. Does the conversation go to UT being a dumpster fire and the Oline played great, Chaney called a game, any QB could look good against the TN defense. If Fromm goes 6-12 for 47 yds 1TD and 2 Ints and loses, do people embrace Eason as the best option? Will there be conversations of poor play calling by Chaney, Fromm is a true freshman, etc.
    My point to all of this is not to poke anyone in the eye but to simply point out that an argument can be made for either player. Arguments can be made against either player. In my mind, the best QB who gives us the best ability to win the game through consistency and flexibility, should be the starter. Is that Fromm or Eason, who knows. Everyone will approach it from what they think is important to win. Personally, I am glad we have this problem. It could be a lot worse —- Lambert, Bauta, Ramsey seem like a lot worse problems than Eason vs Fromm. I think I can live our current problems…

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    • Got Cowdog

      Got Sr. and I were having tailgate beers earlier this week, Munsoning. (Got Sr. and LM were friends). QB’s came up. Long story short, what would the fallout be if Kirby plays Eason this week and loses?

      Rampdawg had it right. You play the hot hand.

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    • Otto

      UGA likes to homer their hires and QBs.

      I am not sure which if the 2 is THE guy and who know maybe UGA gets fields and he is the starter next year.

      What I do know is Eason had a decent year for a true Freshman, Fromm could be argued to be having a better year but he has a better situation around him. We have 3 passes to judge Eason’s progress by.

      Eason may still be the starter. Fromm may have the team and be the starter too. What I am certain of is, we the fans do not have enough information to make the call on who is better at this point. However, if one of them is playing and runs into some hurdles, and if the other guy is healthy he will be looking to play and fans the will be divided.

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    • well said. and while I’ll defend Eason till I’m blue in the face (YES I SAW THE APP STATE GAME AND HIS TWO INCOMPLETIONS), I’d still start Fromm this week. Not taking anything away from what Fromm has done and how the team has responded. But come Vandy Eason is getting in the game for sure.

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  27. It also helps that the defense and special teams are great, too. I’m still amazed how people refuse to acknowledge how much of an affect the defense has on offense and vice versa. Everything is certainly improved but we’ve had some good defenses that struggled because we’ve had offenses that couldn’t get first downs to rest the defense. One unit’s success isn’t mutually exclusive of the other.

    I thought, early on, we’d have to rely heavily on the defense to carry while the offense came around but that often hasn’t been the case. What we have is a team where all 3 phases compliment one another and that’s dangerous. We definitely have to get better in areas but this team is dangerous as long as we protect the ball. I just don’t see anyone on the schedule beating us in a clean, straight up game. It’s gonna take turnovers and penalties. Maybe I’m wrong but I just don’t it. Some tough conference games ahead but we’re the more talented and currently the better coached team.

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  28. My only question with Fromm is how does he perform when the running game is mediocre at best and the opposing defense is only giving really tight windows to throw into? Think SECCG.

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    • DawgFlan

      This is likely the most interesting question.

      This team, as currently constructed and progressing, can win its first 12 games with Fromm.

      But if the goal is not just to get to Atlanta, but get there with the best chance to beat Alabama, then you probably can’t wait for the hot hand to fail and hope for the all-everything talent to come off the bench cold to save the day.

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      • MGW

        If Georgia is 12-0 and headed to Atlanta to play Bama, we’ll have already seen From get tested by then. Even Bama has a game or two every year where the game plan fails and they have to grind it out for a close win before they get to Atlanta. Mark my words, this team is not about to coast all the way to Atlanta.

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        • absolutely. Auburn may be the toughest game. Florida is always tough, Tech isn’t ever easy because of that offense, and I’m not writing Kentucky off either. Yes, on paper today we win them all. But that’s a lot of tough teams on the road.

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          • DawgFlan

            I wrote that UGA with Fromm can (may be able to) win every regular season game, meaning it will not take a transcendent talent at the QB position in order to give the team better than even odds. Sure the team will be tested.

            When it comes to Bama, however, it may take the QB with the highest ceiling playing near his best just to get us to even odds. If so, it would make sense that Eason is groomed to do so instead of riding the pine to 10+ games.

            If simply playing in Atlanta is the goal, then stick with Fromm as long as he has the hot hand. If beating Bama in Atlanta is the goal, then working in Eason some way, some how no matter how hot Fromm may be playing makes a lot more sense.

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  29. MGW

    I might be mistaken but I could swear earlier this week or last week Kirby made a comment basically saying that Eason could play but he isn’t 100%, and not-100% Eason isn’t taking the job back with the way Fromm’s playing. He didn’t necessarily say that once he’s 100% its his job again, but that basically they aren’t in a position to have to put him back in while Fromm is doing so well.

    I get the feeling that’s still the case and Kirby ain’t bothering himself with this until Eason’s definitely 100% back to full speed.

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    • If I’m Kirby, I’m saying Eason isn’t 100% no matter how healthy he is, just to take some pressure off me.

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      • MGW

        I’m really not that worried about it as far as having a good QB on the field; so far, Kirby’s shown he’s an elite roster manager. The only issue would be Eason definitely is transferring if he ends up permanent second string.

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  30. southernlawyer11

    Start and play Fromm until you have a reason to put Eason in. Of course, what give Kirby that “reason” is the million dollar question, right ?

    Kirby may not be able to avoid a QB controversy, but I maintain that he shouldn’t create one either. And the quickest way he would do that is to replace a hot or even steady Fromm with an Eason that makes a huge error. It doesn’t matter if Eason had tougher breaks and unfair shakes with what wasn’t around him last year. Thems the breaks and this is big boy football. Besides, Eason didn’t lose the job…….Jake Fromm took it by the horns and hog tied it through no fault of Jacob Eason.

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  31. 69Dawg

    All this is real interesting but the proof as they say is in the pudding. Are we crazy enough to sit a QB that has lead the team to 4-0 over two top 25 teams for a guy with great arm talent. Eason had his moments last year at Mizzou and in the UT game but it took him almost the whole game to get warmed up. He plays tight and he panics often. Now I know a lot of that was because the Offensive line sucked but Fromm just looks like the kind of guy that DGAS. He does not let the fact that he is about to get knocked on his butt keep him from making the throw. If the coaches think Eason is ready then fine but if he gets happy feet and doesn’t check down to the open safety valve. If we lose because quit frankly last year no defense we played was afraid of him then get ready for some bad games. Some guys are gamers and some are not. The last thing I want is for the team to choose up sided on this matter, so the team is screwed.

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  32. junkyardawg41

    A scenario that could unfold on Saturday is that if UGA gets up big — and we start looking at playing back ups — and Eason is close to 100%, does he get reps? If we are up big and he doesn’t get reps, does that say Eason is not quite up to 100%? If Eason is good enough to go, I would really like to see him get reps. Knowing Smart as we have gotten to know him, just because he shows Eason getting reps with the 2’s during the media period, doesn’t mean he is actually the number 2 option.

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    • Biggus Rickus

      My guess is that he still isn’t fully healthy and won’t play unless something happens to Fromm. I don’t think the practice competition will re-open until at least next week and maybe not until after the Vandy game.

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  33. Mike Cooley

    I don’t understand why some people are so emotionally invested in one guy or the other. Who cares which one of them plays? I want the guy who gives us the best chance to win. Period. That is all anybody should care about. And right now there is no case that can be made against Fromm where that is concerned. So for now, there is no reason to screw anything up by tinkering.

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    • I don’t understand why some people are so emotionally invested in one guy or the other. Who cares which one of them plays?

      Jeez, Mike, how many years have you been reading the blog? It’s what Georgia fans do. 🙂

      #GDayQBR

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    • j4k372

      Because we all think we are smarter than the coaches of course. I personally think Fromm is the guy. If Eason goes back in and tears it up, then it won’t bother me until we lose a game. 😀

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  34. Mike Cooley

    Lol. You’re right. I forgot where I was and what we were doing for a second.😁. Seriously, people should just think back to the Lambert, Ramsey, Baits period we all seem to have forgotten. This is a nice problem.

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  35. Mike Cooley

    Bauta not Baits.

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  36. PTC DAWG

    So many back seat Coaches….

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  37. Yurdle

    We see results. What we don’t see is all the hidden stuff–did the QB make the right read and adjust? Did everything work except a WR rounded his route or the guard abandoned his combo block too soon?

    Coaches see that stuff in film and practice. They know who has control. If Fromm doesn’t have that, he won’t stay the starter. If he does, he will–as long as he don’t play too dumb.

    This is all about process.

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  38. I have been impressed with Fromm from back in his high school days.
    However. The Dawgs need to keep Eason on the Roster.
    I expect Eason to become the starter by the Ga./Fla. Game.
    Time Will Tell.

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