Getting down and bouncing back

Here’s a quote from a former player answering a question about comparing the 2012 South Carolina blowout with what happened Saturday:

“But the thing for us is that we didn’t really care if we got down 14 points because we knew that we could score that in two minutes,” one of the three on the 2012 team said. “We can’t do that right now. The combination of Aaron Murray and Mike Bobo was pretty lethal. They couldn’t do that (Saturday). They couldn’t play their game the other day. This is a young, physical team. They can’t score quick necessarily. We could. This team will grind you up and spit you out. Next thing you know you are getting killed. That didn’t happen Saturday.”

That is perceptive.  I remember thinking to myself at the start of the fourth quarter last Saturday that in 2013 Georgia was down 20 points to Auburn at the same point, only to come roaring back to take the lead with about two minutes left in the game and then reminded myself this year’s offense isn’t built the way that one was.  That explosiveness may have been largely out of necessity because of how porous the defense was that season, but also because Murray and Bobo aren’t Fromm and Chaney.

And the thing is, until last weekend, they haven’t needed to be as dynamic as their 2012-13 counterparts.  Grinding and spitting has worked just fine all season.  But Fromm, while precocious, isn’t at a point where he can lift the team up and carry it on his shoulders for a quarter (which is not the same as saying he’ll never get there — he will) and Chaney has to call plays based on the quarterback he has, not the one he might wish he had.

The point is, this offense, while effective for the most part, isn’t a finished product.  If the running game gets jammed, there can’t be a slide by the defense or on special teams because the passing game isn’t capable of taking up the slack and creating the kind of momentum the team can rally around in a comeback.  Unfortunately, that’s exactly what we watched happen at Auburn.  The trick going forward is to avoid those situations until the passing game catches up.

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  1. HVL Dawg

    You mean to tell me that Chaney doesn’t have a quarterback on his roster who can throw the ball downfield when the team is down 20 points? Hmmm.

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    • Who can bring the team back from 20 points down? Not presently.

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      • SAtowndawg

        has he had a chance to? Look, I know you’re all in on Fromm, but throwing it up to Wims four times a game won’t be an option next year, and his first completion to Wims against AU was a total duck. Yes, he’s made some great throws throughout the season, but the arm isn’t ideal for streching the field. The QB who actually won the job pre-season has that arm. If only he would have gone to Valdosta instead of coming from WA

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        • What both Fromm and Eason have shown me is that either can be the man for a key drive. That’s a totally different animal from being a QB who can carry a team for a whole quarter or an entire game. Think about how many games like that Murray had just in 2013 alone.

          That’s isn’t to say Fromm or Eason won’t be capable of doing so one day, but as of right now, I don’t see either at that level.

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          • SAtowndawg

            fair enough and I agree to a point…would just like to see what Eason could do behind this O line and specifically behind a center who doesn’t get bull rushed backwards as soon as he snaps the ball and a non-mobile LT who should have been playing inside

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        • You really think the coaches are making a decision on who starts at QB on what state they played HS football? The GA boy gets the nod over the west coast kid because he is from GA? C’mon dude.

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          • ViewsfromtheSouth

            It’s as simple as this, you don’t mess with what’s working. That’s how Dak Prescott is a starting QB in the NFL and how Tony Romo is in the booth, even though healthy Tony Romo is still likely worlds better than him throwing.

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          • SAtowndawg

            no I think the majority of UGA fans are in the cult of Fromm because of where he played…the ultra-conservative coaches are playing him because if it aint broke don’t fix it…my opinion is it may be broke

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            • ViewsfromtheSouth

              The look was they’d be very conservative with Eason too.

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            • That is not an intelligent opinion.

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            • Didn’t realize there were so many Warner Robins folks commenting here.

              Is it wrong to root for a kid that has grown up a Dawg fan all his life and comes to campus with about an many accolades as Eason did? I guess we should hate our own so we can feel better about ourselves.

              And if Eason is all that and a bag of chips he would/will be playing some.

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              • SAtowndawg

                he would be if he hadn’t been injured…and I in no way do I hate Fromm…root for him every week

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                • kdsdawg

                  have you seen HS film on both, I have…maybe you should,
                  Although it doesn’t make Fromm a better passer, it does mean he is used to a different speed and physicality of play

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                • SAtowndawg

                  seen both yes…in fact I saw Fromm in person in HS , I’ve also seen their arms and how fast it gets there on a 15 yard out…

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                • RandallPinkFloyd

                  So, you’ve seen Eason sail it over the guy’s head or throw it 5 feet short? Hell, he really gets it there quick, though!

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                • SAtowndawg

                  Listen, I’m done, respect the hell out of Fromm and in no way am I putting him in the same category of Cox, Mason, Bauta, et al…, win the rest and I’ll admit I’m completely wrong…just think Eason didn’t get a fair shake and some (Nauta) would agree

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                • TomReagan

                  Yes, and when you time it from when the arm action starts as you should, Fromm’s ball gets there first. Eason has a great arm, but he has a very long throwing motion.

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            • Macallanlover

              I think that is the single most “bad miss” I have ever seen on this blog as a football observation. Playing him because of geography? What planet are you from? My lord man. Better to keep your mouth shut than…never mind, I am sure that wouldn’t click with someone as lost as you are.

              It is one thing to make the silly “cult” statement, another to just say your opinion is Eason is better, anything, but to think a man make $4MM a year, coming off a bad year, would risk his reputation, future, and bonuses by making a decision on where a player was born/played ball is a new level of stupid.

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              • SAtowndawg

                reading comprehension an issue?..please point out where I said the coaches made a decision based on geography…my point was the fans are all in on Fromm because of where he played, have a good night

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                • Macallanlover

                  Technically true, I was skipping over fast. But since the coaches are making the decision about who starts, you have to believe what you are saying about why majority of fans are backing Fromm. I would say less than 5-10 percent of the fans would support, or make that decision on who to play based on state of origin. Hasn’t happened with other star RBs, QBs, or receivers that I have ever seen.

                  I think you are just enamored with the arm strength, and the pre-arrival media bs. Some love that star quality and ignore what they see on the field. Entitled to your opinion, but I don’t think it is even close in this competition. Would like them to play Eason more in backup role, but would only use him for 70 yard Hail Marys based on what we have seen.
                  If any one prefers to see a particular QB play for reasons other than performance/results, it is you, imo. After a year of playing did you see how Eason was ranked both nationally and in the SEC? Very average in both (7th rated QB in the SEC, if I recall, and about 1/3 down the list of freshman QBs nationally.)

                  I have nothing against Eason, and have no reason to prefer Jake Fromm, I just want the QB who gives us the best chance to win. That looks to be Fromm, easily, and I think the vast majority of Easonites have come to realize that as well. Wish Eason well wherever he goes, he came in and gave it his best. While I hate the way it came to be, with his injury opening the door for Fromm’s debut, I think it was inevitable that he pass Eason. Fromm is much more fluid, accurate, and capable of run plays when needed.

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                • SAtowndawg

                  agree to disagree, but you are completely glossing over the fact that Fromm’s supporting cast is a hell of a lot better than what Eason had to work with last year. As I pointed out above, just compare the C and LT from last year to this year,,,Wims could barely get on the field last year leaving Eason with a five foot nine inch WR as his primary guy…finally, compare and contrast Eason’s throw to Ridley vs. Tenn and Fromm’s throw to Ridley vs. AU..Hutson Mason was accurate, but scared no one because he didn’t have the arm…Fromm’s is much better, but to suggest Eason has more potential to bring a team back from a defecit shouldn’t be heresy around here

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          • kdsdawg

            no,the reason Fromm being from Georgia matters is because HS football where he played ball is many many times better than HS football in Washington where Eason came from

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      • atlasshrugged55

        Give me Bobo & his crayons. He got the job done w/ far less talent than we have now. And that includes an OL that doesn’t compare to what’s suiting up now.

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    • Not accurately and effectively, no. If Eason were that guy I think you’d’ve seen him after the Tenn game. Fromm looked terrible as a passer in that game and it was a moment where Eason could/should have earned a first half series or two the next week at Vandy.

      I wanted Eason to be the man because his ceiling is so high, but clearly he’s not gonna get there in Athens.

      As for Fromm, he’s just who he is right now. He’s a heady dude who has some moxy for sure, but his physical gifts haven’t yet caught up to his mental ability (or at least that seems to be what the coaching staff believes).

      I think we can learn too much from the Auburn debacle, but I also think we’d be wise to be honest about what we saw. We saw an OL get whipped 8/10 snaps and we saw a QB who desperately needs the OL/RB to back off a defense. So the question becomes: What can we do schematically do better enable the running game to cause the AUB (or Bama) front 7 to have to respect the running game?

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      • Mayor

        Look, I said this on Monday and it’s true–this is a good but not great Georgia team. Plenty of flaws. A lot of us (me included) got stars in our eyes when the team won 9 straight to start the season. But we were wrong. This team is a good team that is OVERachieving. Just win the last 2 regular season games and it will have won more games than every Georgia team in history except for about seven or eight. Win the SECCG or a bowl and it will have won more than every other Georgia team except 2. Win both and it’s tied for the most wins (13). Make the playoff and win 1 and it’s the most wins ever, not to mention a chance at a nattie. A lot left to play for but don’t expect it–just let it happen and if it does be thankful whatever it ends up being.

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      • paul

        I disagree. We saw Eason put the team on his shoulders and bring them back several times last season. We know he can do it. Him not being that guy and the coaches not being willing to pull Fromm and put Eason in are two different things. Eason can be that guy, he has already been that guy for us. This coaching staff no longer wants him to be that guy for us. They’re focused on letting Fromm develop into that guy. I sure hope this freshman we have coming in next year is as good as we think he is because Eason is gone.

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        • paul

          Not to mention, Eason did so behind an offensive line that was far worse than this one.

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        • MDDawg

          But to the Senator’s point (in the comments above), have either Eason or Fromm had to do that for an entire a whole quarter or an entire game? Sure they can do it for a drive here or there in a one score game, but to come back from a double-digit deficit? They might be able to do that someday, but they haven’t shown that they can do it right now. And I kinda hope they don’t have to. I’d rather us lead every game by double digits and not have to mount an epic comeback.

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  2. Bill Glennon

    Good perspective. As a RS Frosh, AM had the Miss St game, which was very similar to what we saw Saturday. He also had the Central Florida game.

    Chaney has had 2 true frosh QBs in consecutive years and a frosh head coach. He also had a historically bad OL last year and a transitioning one this year with 2 frosh starting and a 6’2 left tackle.

    Chaney has done well enough given the challenges. Next year should be telling. No excuses for not having a top flight offense that will keep you in every game.

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    • paul

      Unfortunately, with a good many of our starters on defense leaving we may need to score a lot more points in order to win next year. Let’s hope the backups are maturing.

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  3. Granthams replacement

    The issue is trusting Fromm to bring the team back from 20 coupled with trusting the OL.

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  4. Charlottedawg

    I think another factor that gets overlooked is that forward passes to tight ends were legal back in the day (I remember artie lynch making big catches in the seccg and the comeback on the plains) whereas now that’s clearly illegal, or at least the conclusion I’ve arrived at based on Cheney’s play calling and our tight ends’ involvement in the passing game or lack thereof.

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  5. Cojones

    Agree with your last paragraph, Senator.

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  6. Al

    We won’t be able to avoid those situations in the SECCG because both Auburn and Alabama know how to stop the run.

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  7. Huntindawg

    I read somewhere yesterday that last Saturday we ran the ball 80% of the time on 1st and 2d down when we were down by 14 points or less. So we didn’t start trying anything different until auburn’s defense knew it was coming.

    That being the case, I don’t know if we don’t have a QB that can carry the team. I know we don’t have one that can carry the team against auburn when my 12 year old is calling the play before it is run.

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  8. PTC DAWG

    Down by 20 is too much for any team vs a very good D. IF anyone gets down by 20 to UGA., they will lose.

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  9. Biggus Rickus

    Okay, but they scored 7 points and gained 224 yards against South Carolina in 2012. I love Bobo and Murray, but the combo sure as shit wasn’t potent that night.

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  10. southernlawyer11

    Fast forward to the 4 minute mark and it makes you want to cry. “Nobody in college football that I’ve seen throws the ball down the field better than Georgia.”

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    • Stoopnagle

      6-7 as a RS FR. Got hammered in a bowl game for wearing a glove.

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    • If we could only go back to 2013! 8-5 but we could throw it downfield!!

      Oh, I forgot that was the year we were ‘snakebit’ with injuries and let Missouri win the east. Missouri- let that sink in for a a couple seconds.

      I’m sure we had a bunch of other excuses – we always did- but thankfully they are slipping from my memory.
      2013- Could make someone cry just thinking about it.

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      • ViewsfromtheSouth

        That was actually a good Missouri team, one of their best teams under Pinkel.

        NOW, 2014, it’s fair to be angry at Richt for no Atlanta appearance. That Missouri team was mediocre.

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      • MDDawg

        I’m sure we all grew tired of making excuses for seemingly inexplicable losses over Richt’s last few years, but I have to say that the injuries sustained in 2013 were a legitimate contributing factor in how that season played out. That’s the year that I really started hating Kneeland Stadium. So many players got hurt there.

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        • I agree but if we were playing with a full squad maybe we win a couple more games as the injuries wouldn’t have seemed so severe.

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          • ViewsfromtheSouth

            I think that Missouri game, the team was just out of gas, but maybe a full squad means a Vanderbilt and bowl win (offense was not the issue vs Auburn).

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          • The problem in 2013 is that the injuries hit in a rash at particular positions. We were down to JJ Green and Brendan Douglas at running back and Chris Conley at WR. Even Murray eventually got hurt as well. It was a snake-bitten year. You lose the Gurshall of 2013 would be like losing Nick and Sony now (yes, I know Gurley came back during the season).

            That 2013 offense was hell on wheels before Kneeland.

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            • ViewsfromtheSouth

              Like I said, offense was not the issue in Jordan Hare in 2013. You lose on a fluke play like Georgia that year, and you can’t play any hypotheticals and even if Georgia was healthy for Mizzou, playing emotional game after emotional game early in the season is exhausted and I still think the team is out of gas after that and loses to Mizzou.

              If that team is healthy all year, it’s a 10-3 team instead of 8-5, not any more (maybe you can argue penalties vs Clemson). The defense just wasn’t good enough.

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  11. southernlawyer11

    No doubt. And winning is certainly the stat that carries all others. But if we do absolutely nothing to start pushing the ball down the field through the air, Atlanta will be the same skull dragging we saw at Auburn. And I would argue that it has to start Saturday or it will be too little too late. If I see another 4 for 7 type game, even if we win handily, I will not feel good.

    Our place in the SEC East this year is basically like Kentucky basketball. They know they can probably win most SEC basketball games on talent alone but constantly are trying to develop themselves with in-game practice/betterment. I’m afraid we are approaching our final exam without preparing adequately through the entire semester.

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  12. Derek

    Not that anyone gives a damn what I think but I think its shitty to permanently bench a starter simply because he got hurt.

    I can also see how you might not want to screw with what’s working. I thought we should have played both qbs once Eason was healthy.

    I think it would have been good to see someone win or lose the job under fire. If they both played great, then that would be fine too.

    Because we didn’t we’re in no position to make any mid-game changes. If you throw Eason out there down 23-7 and he throws a pick you’ve killed his confidence under adverse conditions. Had we been playing both it may have become apparent Saturday that the only way to get anything done was to get the vertical passing game going.

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    • Maybe Fromm looks better each week in practice? Maybe we should trust a coach who had us 9-0 for the first time in 35 years. I don’t know. Kirby loves to rotate 5 different backs in the game; using the strengh of each as needed. There must be a reason he has not played Eason at all other than the theory that he prefers a QB from Middle Georgia.

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    • Cosmic Dawg

      I felt the same way. Excited about Fromm but thought Eason, having kept his commitment after CMR left and paid some dues last year behind that OL deserved 2-3 series or even the entire 4th quarter in those blowouts.

      Especially since we weren’t using those minutes to let Fromm get practice passing, either.

      Now Eason has lost a year of eligibility for purely meaningless snaps. Ramsey could have handed the ball off to Holyfield in the last five minutes of the Tennessee game.

      However, the comments that we don’t know what’s happening in practice are fair.

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  13. dawgfan

    Can Eason still redshirt? It’s a shame if he is going to lose a year of eligibility this year whether he’s at Georgia or not in 2018.

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  14. Macallanlover

    Murray and Bobo were lethal, not just because of their ability, they had an option B, C, and D for every situation. It was like whack-a-mole, no matter what you threw at them, they had another hole to escape to and pop up. Granted, Fromm isn’t at Murray’s level yet, but he would have had a play to run that gave us a chance to work if Bobo were in the booth.

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    • SAtowndawg

      or if Richt was the head coach…you are truly ignorant if you don’t understand that Chaney is running the offense that Kirby wants…and Fromm will never be at Murray’s level

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      • “Fromm will never be at Murray’s level”.
        How the fuck can you predict that? Are you Trent Dilfer? You said earlier you root for Fromm every week- I am not so sure about that.
        Dumb statement.

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        • SAtowndawg

          you’re right, it could be a very dumb statement, and in hindsight I probably should not have made it, but time will tell and believe it or not I hope I’m wrong and proven dumb…all I’m saying is getting to Murray’s level is a tall task for any QB, including the one I was defending

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  15. We will never know but I can’t help wondering where the team would be if Eason were made the starter as soon as he got healthy early in the year. He could have continued to develop with the help of our improved OL and great running backs. Going into AU he would have had over a year and a half of starting experience. AU would have had to respect our downfield passing and it would have changed the complexion of the game. Hind sight is 20/20 and we will never know what might have been, but Kirby is being paid 4 mil a year to make the right calls.

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  16. rchris

    This is the point I tried to make in the post that showed all Fromm’s passes against ND. I like him, he’s very good for us up to a certain point, but as a true freshman, he’s just not ready to be the cavalry riding in. And that’s what is going to stop us from winning the natty this year. I hope I’m wrong.

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