How far they’ve come.

Consider this.

True dat.

Can you imagine what the comments on the blog would have looked like if this had happened, say, five years ago?  Collective freak out.

Always be ‘crootin’, baby.

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71 responses to “How far they’ve come.

  1. DawgPhan

    A lot of players have left over the years and I don’t remember anyone ever being talked off the ledge because of it.

    We lost a QB that couldn’t beat out a freshman after a year in the system and we lost a very inconcsistent on and off the field DL. was never going to be the end of the world losing either of them.

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  2. I’m a bit surprised about Trent. It seemed in December he was ready to stay for one more year. He was a force before he injured his knee(?) and then was inconsistent to the point that Tyler Clark seemed to pass him. Maybe he got a high enough grade on what he had shown to make it worth the leap. He probably could have used the extra year, but he probably had people whispering in his ear.

    Eason is a completely different story. There’s only one QB on the field at a time, and he wasn’t taking the job back from #11. It was in his best interest to transfer, redshirt and play 1 or 2 more years.

    All the best to both of them.

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  3. Heyberto

    Not that it contradicts the points you make. Senator, more of a side note: In the case of Eason… we wouldn’t be losing him if it weren’t for the high level recruiting we’re doing. I’m ok with that trade off.

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  4. Losing great players after 3 years is a first world problem. We will probably lose R and maybe some more juniors. When you recruit a 5 star, I think you have to assume you will have him for only 3 years. It’s a great problem to have, like paying a lot of taxes cause you make a lot of money. It also means you have to keep getting those 5 stars. That doesn’t seem to be an issue at the moment.

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  5. Russ

    Great perspective.

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  6. OMG CMR has lost control of Kirby Smart

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  7. truck

    Only vaguely off topic, but wouldn’t Eason be better off transferring to a Junior College where he could play immediately? It doesn’t seem beneficial for him to sit on the bench another whole year. He ought to get a season of on-field experience and then transfer to a big time program. At least, that’s what I’d tell my kid to do.

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    • Not if he is smart and take the long view.

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    • gastr1

      He might think he could benefit from practicing against D1 players and taking a year to learn the system. Also, the FBS schools may not love being used as stepping stones that way…a few years ago in that very part of the world, the coach at Eastern Washington was irritated when his QB transferred to …what was it, Oregon?

      Obviously it’s a personal choice that has significant pros and cons both ways.

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    • PTC DAWG

      Good thing Eason is not your kid.

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    • Derek

      He’s been in college two years. What’s he going to take at a JC that he doesn’t already have credits for? Playing at a JC would have marginal benefit football wise. You go there bc you have to. Nobody wants to.

      It would be like turning down the NY Yankees to play single A ball.

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    • Will

      I didn’t understand why he didn’t just graduate early. He could transfer without restriction, still get the top notch S&C etc at UGA and be one injury away from playing for a playoff caliber team.

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      • Tony Barnfart

        because he needs 2 good seasons to guarantee a 1st round draft pick. But, IMO, his only chance is RS(18), Jr (19), Sr(20) at a Power5 school with a demonstrable path to the starting job. Then I think he could have the shot we all always thought he would.

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    • Russ

      He won’t be on the bench at practice. He’ll get a year in Washington’s system and then when their senior QB leaves after next season, he’ll be primed to step in. I think it works out well for him.

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    • He gets to redshirt. Chris Petersen will have a year to get the playing behind the 2016 offensive line out of him. Going to JUCO is for those who messed up academically or who were knuckleheads and have to prove to coaches they are worth a scholarship.

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  8. Derek

    Looking at the depth chart my concerns are:

    ILB- assuming Roquan goes
    RB- especially if zamir isn’t full go in August
    WR- we don’t have a Wims. If Riley can step up like he did Monday we’ll be ok.

    We’ll be better at OL and DB. Maybe a lot better.

    Also, I hate to say it but I look at the schedule and only that 10-13 date in Baton Rouge looks daunting.

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  9. Mike Cooley

    Herein is a junior. I think we are fine at running back. If Zeus is ready then we will be really,really good strumming back. I think Ridley will do very well in Wims’ spot. If he played as well as he did against Alabama in the NC, what reason would we have to doubt him? LB is the one position that looks to be a true weakness. If McBride is what he is supposed to be though it won’t be much of a weakness. We will play for the SECC again this year.

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    • Derek

      There’s gotta be a reason Holyfield rides pine. He looks great when he’s out there. Is it pass pro? Is it not practicing well? Is he a fumble machine? Is it that Nick and Sony and swift were too good? Who knows?

      They play Herrien ahead of 13 and while he’s a tough scrappy kid, he doesn’t seem like a “Georgia-level” back in size or ability.

      Cook will be a good player but generally the bigger backs are better able to contribute early.

      We know Swift is a player. Is he capable as a starter rather than a change of pace? It seemed to me that he was pretty ineffective in the playoffs.

      If zamir hadn’t blown his acl, I’d be less worried because I know that kid is good for 15 to 18 totes a game. Without him, we’ve got a mismash of question marks. Lots of options though. That helps.

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      • Mike Cooley

        As far as Holyfield goes, I tend to think he was just stuck behind two of the best backs in college football and then Swift turned out to be a big play maker. I’m not saying he is cream of the crop but I think he will be a good solid SEC running back. I kind of agree on Herein. He just needs to get bigger. From what I have read Zeus is way ahead of schedule. But I don’t want him rushed back in and risk a reinjury.

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        • Cojones

          Some of you need to reacquaint yourselves with Herrien. He has made good runs , but most were last year. Go back to the 2016 runners and take a gander at what happens when he has a hole.

          We are in great shape at RB, but S and D-line is where the new guys will have to shine. I think we still are looking for a fast guy in the D-backfield as well as in the WR group.

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      Monty Rice made some devastating hits in mop up duty & on STs. We have some talent on D that’s ready to step up. My only concern is landing a couple more DTs on the February signing day. That’s where we’ll need depth.

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  10. DawgPhan

    Every year I look at the schedule and know that we are better than every team on it. Next season is no different. They should win every game.

    But to think that we arent going to come back to the pack a little based on players leaving would be a little silly.

    We have the #2 and #3 backs leaving. All american @ LB, the all time leader in UGA interceptions and games started. It would be tough to replace any of those guys with recruiting, but to replace all of them at the same time, impacting so much of your team is going to be tough.

    If you consider s&p+ rankings then this year was a very down year for all of college football. UGA s&p+ margin this year would have been 13th last year.

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    • Derek

      How long have you been doing that? “Every” seems quite exaggerated. I’ve seen “some” years like that, but I remember more where I knew we’d be double digit underdogs at least twice.

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      • DawgPhan

        Name seasons where UGA was a double digit underdog in at least two game over the last 20 years. I’ll wait.

        Dawgs have been recruiting better than every east team for at least the last 10 years with only auburn as the team on our schedule that is even close to us in recruiting.

        No reason we shouldn’t be unbeaten next year.

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        • Russ

          I probably don’t look at it as in depth as you two seem to do, but every season since Donnan left, I’ve looked at the schedule and convinced myself we can win every game. It’s what I do.

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        • Please share the recruiting algorithms again and tell us how much Kirby sucks, O Wise One. Or better yet, look at a couple S&P charts to form your hypothesis. Could use a good laugh.

          Guess you think since the season is officially now over – one where you couldn’t possible have been more wrong – you can comment like you are some authority.

          We all remember…

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        • Derek

          Perhaps yours is a shorter sample size than mine. But even only going back 20 years, you’ve got 1998, 2001 and 2009 where we could anticipate that.

          Years where we’d be favored every week? 2012.

          I might be willing to put 2018 in there but with at LSU on he schedule before they get Bama and they may be favored even if we’re unbeaten.

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          • Cojones

            Why LSU? That’s twice I’ve seen UGA picked for a hard game against a team that doesn’t even have Guice anymore and no big runner on the horizon that we should not stop. LSU’s coaching acumen and recruits don’t reach our level.

            Methinks we are picking on nits trying to compare next year this early, but we will see after the April 21 QBRs are posted. 🙂

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            • Derek

              Tough venue. Lots of talent and speed. If they get their QB situation handled they can be dangerous. If they don’t have somebody to plug in after Guice it’ll be the first time in a long time that’s happened. They always have someone.

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  11. TMC DAWG

    Recruiting is the life blood of any program. Right now Kirby and company are killing it. Even beating a Bama for some guys!

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  12. Turd Ferguson

    Any ideas what our 2-deep will look like in the secondary next season?

    And on a related note, does anybody know what’s been going on with Deangelo Gibbs? And is he okay now?

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  13. Turd Ferguson

    Who do we think is the next vocal leader on defense, now that Roquan is (probably) leaving? LeCounte?

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  14. artful codger

    Not much reason to believe the secondary in ’18 projects stronger than ’17. Too much inexperience coming in to the fore. Totally screwed if Baker jumps. That would leave only Reed and McGhee with meaningful experience. The rest of the DB roster is unproven. Badly need one of those 5star corners, and hope he can play out of the gate.

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    • Derek

      More length, more speed, more athleticism, more willing tacklers. I don’t have any doubt that after spring and summer camp, our secondary will be a better unit than it was this year.

      What we saw on that last play, is a thing of the past. No more freelancing at FS and if you’re the corner in cover two and there’s no underneath route, you play the man through the play. Those two seniors f-ed that up badly.

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      • artful codger

        A ton depends on unknown status of Baker. Length, speed, athleticism, et al you list ….could be, sure hope so. But unproven still. The future is very bright, I really liked Kirby’s comment about ‘no finesse corners’. Just not as sure as you are that ’18 is the year when the secondary comes into its own.

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        • dawgtired

          We have Webb, Speed, Reed, Poole, McGhee, LeCounte 3, Gibbs and Bishop that have been in the system to some degree. Smith, Joseph, Wilson coming in. We could sign Taylor-Stuart and Campell. We will miss the experience but the upside with the new talent is potential greater. We have the Jimmys and Joes, now we have to coach them up. I’m looking forward to seeing who will step up.

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  15. Macallanlover

    No doubt, we are better prepared to plug in and play than we have been, maybe forever. But losses the magnitude of R, LoCo, Bellamy, and maybe Baker if he goes, will always hurt to a degree. I can see us taking a half step back on defense next season but fully think we will be much better on offense and can cover for the D in most every game.

    Except as an experienced backup, we will not suffer with Eason’s departure. Wish him well, but his leaving may actually simplify things for Kirby. Not sure whether he should go sit a year or continue playing at this point but confident he will get his shot at the NFL so we will know what he could have been. As for TT, I know he had great potential and is a loss, but honestly, his instability the past year worried me. He was never consistent, nor dominant, as he was expected to be. There isn’t much fall off with Clark, who many believe had beaten him out anyway by year’s end. Now Bama losing Payne, that ius a hole to fill. We will be good upfront, and this may help us get another big body on NSD.

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    • dawgtired

      “No doubt, we are better prepared to plug in and play than we have been, maybe forever. But losses the magnitude of R, LoCo, Bellamy, and maybe Baker if he goes, will always hurt to a degree.”

      I feel this will be a new wrinkle in our program that we’ll have to get use to going forward. Many of the top talent we are recruiting will come, do their thing, and leave early. The way Kirby rotates players will be huge in getting the non-starters experience so that the ‘drop-off’ from year to year is minimal. I’m sure at times there will be special players that are not easily replaced (ex: R.Smith, Payne (at Bama), Clowney (at USC)). Players leaving early because they played well will be a nice problem to have. It’s exciting to imagine the next player that will step up. We can expect to compete for championships yearly as long as the talent continues to be a revolving door. I’m sure there will be more ‘special’ years to celebrate when great players stay for their Sr. year like Nick and Sony.

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  16. Will Trane

    Most folks this coming back in late October.
    Retention of Baker and Smith will be big.
    Should follow lead of Michel and Chubb, stay for that senior year.
    MIchel and Chubb was huge for their future careers in or out of football.
    Doing what they did opened a lot of doors for future opportunities.
    Commitment and loyalty are highly viewed and valued in the business world.

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  17. Will Trane

    Anxious to see who Smart places on his staff.
    Would like to see him make his offense more geared to more passing and more of the spread.
    After all Smart said Fromm see and understands spacing on the field.
    Fromm definitely understands those sideline passes and 53 yards. He can spread the field horizontally and vertically. Make’m play the entire field.

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    • Derek

      Yeah, like that 4th place team that couldn’t hold a 17 point lead? Or you could improve on the example of the second place one that couldn’t hold a 13 point lead.

      Why is it so hard for people to see that what you have to have is a team that can salt away a clock by lining up and blowing people off the ball in the second half? Why do people want to be like Mike Leach or Gus?

      It’s just silly.

      We aren’t getting 6’6” 350 pounders in order to play flag football Will. You’ll be disappointed. We’re coming downhill and I like it.

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        • Mike Cooley

          Yep. Derek is right about this. Even with all the officiating horse crap and the unbelievable luck Alabama had in the second half, if we are able to line up and blow them off the off the ball consistently, none of that matters and we still win. With the way we have recruited linemen the last two classes we could have that as early as next season.

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  18. Will Trane

    Can we not get some of these sites to lay off or stop saying this.
    “Bama East” or anything phrase close to that.
    We are Georgia.
    We are the Dawgs.
    Nobody wants to copy another team or program.

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    • Cojones

      And we never have. Dawgs have been known for a better brand of football even when the East was kicking the West’s ass and we weren’t the strongest East team. Comparisons to another team in order to assess your team is media- influenced weak sauce and no self-respecting Dawg should contemplate otherwise.

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  19. Dawg in Lutz

    Couldn’t agree more. i loved it when the press asked Kirby if the defense was “Alabama-Like” and he said no they’re playing more like Junkyard dawgs. We are Georgia and not some other team

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  20. lakedawg

    me thinks adding another QB to class would be a bonus, scares the crap out of me going with 2 scholarship QB’s with the injuries we have had in past excepting this year. Even looking at that schedule with what should be 10-11 guaranteed wins, just do not see how we are as good with rookies replacing guys with 40-50 starts. Aaalso mentioned above what is odds we can go another year injury free?

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  21. Mark who? ( gives a crap )

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