Psst! Buddy! You wanna couple of d-linemen?

While I think Dabo Swinney is somewhat full of it when it comes to his stance on player compensation, I do think he makes a valid point about the transfer debate currently embroiling the NCAA when he says,

The funny thing with this is that the legitimate problems with liberalizing the transfer rules are coming from the student-athletes’ side, but from the coaches’.  Poaching, illegal contact, package deal offerings to get a job — those are all sleazy moves initiated by the professionals.  (By the way, note the irony of a coach offering up player transfers to obtain a job transfer for himself.  Nice.)

The hardest part of coming up with new transfer rules will be figuring out a punishment format for coaches who abuse the system, methinks.

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13 responses to “Psst! Buddy! You wanna couple of d-linemen?

  1. A10Penny

    Dabo, like many coaches, is blinded by his position, the biases that come along with it and the problems it would cause him. It’s why he can morally justify restricting the freedom because “there have to be consequences” when there are (typically) none for coaches.

    Unless someone is on a multi-year scholarship, there is simply no way to justify restricting transfers. This is America. In the 21st Century. Shouldn’t we be past treating kids like indentured servants just because we don’t want chaos for our teams?!

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  2. Huntindawg

    I actually agree 100% with Dabo. And it’s not just the coaches that will abuse the system. A rule that allows any player to transfer at any time is going to cause the results he discusses regardless of which side it comes from.

    There are some ridiculous parts of the no-transfer rule. A non-scholarship player, for example, should be free to transfer at any time. A graduate should be free to transfer at any time. A scholarship player who loses his scholarship should be free to transfer.

    10 Penny may be have a good solution – any player that doesn’t have a 4 year scholarship maybe should have that freedom to go to a school that will give him a 4 year ride.

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    • Macallanlover

      Pretty much where I am. I support that non-scholarship and graduate players can transfer, without penalty, to a school outside the conference, and not on the schedule for the years they still have eligibility.

      Heard a former collegiate and NFL player estimate this week that removing the one year sitting rule would result in a transfer rate similar to the divorce rate in this country, close to 50% before a player’s time in college expires. That seems about right to me, and that would be chaotic in its impact. If you want to see NFL type parity come quickly come to CFB, you would get it. Look at the 2 deep on UGA and then look at the frustrated talent sitting there wanting a chance to get immediate playing time. We would have situations like the Florida Marlins the one year they sold out for that one big title. It won’t matter if Scott Frost or Pruitt are in talent barren areas, they could sell “come here and play for a ring” next year stripping talent from those who had done the best in recruiting in prior years. I can see why those programs suffering would want the change, it is the one chance they may have. It would be so Georgia to rise to the upper level of recruiting and have that accomplishment work against them.

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  3. DawgPhan

    In all the pearl clutching what if scenarios that these guys dream up it is always the coaches that are the bad actors. The athletes just want a better situation for themselves. But the response is always to limit the players because the coaches can’t be trusted to act right.

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  4. mp

    I think the “free agency chaos” is getting overblown, probably no small part due to fearmongering from coaches worried about losing their control. From a coach’s perspective, having to teach transfers a brand new system quickly enough that they can contribute immediately is not an easy task. Also, from they players position, having to pick up that new system while also dealing with the personal/social transition is not a small hill to overcome. Yeah, maybe 1 or 2 kids a year would leave, but look at UGA, we’re at 86 scholarships and one is getting moved out one way or the other anyway.

    I think the thing coaches are really nervous about is if an assistant leaves for a new position, (either as HC or just lateral move) that asst pulling kids from the previous employer. That would likely be the same system, and actually would help the coach’s transition because he would have a “veteran” to teach the other players. Just like Geno Smith coming to UGA with Smart & Tucker.

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    • Macallanlover

      LOL. One or two a year? Right. And it isn’t control issues they fear. Imagine being held accountable for your job which requires clear, crisp communication between your subordinates to work in harmony, and an understanding of the job and new jargon/system/equipment. You find out several key players are no longer there and you have new faces looking up to you to make sense of everything.

      It isn’t that you cannot train them, it is the lost productivity of re-plowing the same ground and not progressing with those that stayed because you have to bring the new guy up to speed. And oh, those recruiting classes that you didn’t think you needed another DT, or WR, or OL because those you were working with were coming into their own and ready to contribute? Turns out you needed several more because you didn’t expect to lose a few of those guys you had invested in; they left because they thought another team in your division had a better chance to go 10-2 and make the championship game (plus, his girl friend went home and lives 3 hours closer.) Hoiw could you have missed that shit happening. Yeah, no chaos at all in free agency for teenagers.

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    • Debby Balcer

      Maurice Smith

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  5. DawgPhan

    My guess is that you could probably just assume that whatever the transfer rate is for UGA is what it would be for the football team.

    My guess is it isnt the total chaos that coaches fear.

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  6. I don’t think UGA, either the football program or the school in general, is an apt comparison to get an idea of the chaos that would ensue. We’re at the top of the food chain in desirability in nearly every major category an 18-23 year old might find desirable. Athlete or otherwise.

    Open season on transfers would turn the AAC, Sun Belt and MAC teams into SEC and Big Ten junior colleges when it came to late blooming talent. The big fish schools would continue as always, pulling primarily the big fish players straight from high school (just like many coaches hate over-reliance on JC transfers), but you can bet that the Arkansas’s and Mississippi States of the world would be all over G5 teams trying to poach their late-blooming superstars.

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    • The Dawg abides

      Kirby can just create a new college scouting department and assign Ga. Southern and Ga. State as the triple A clubs, Kennesaw St. as the double A, and Valdosta St. as the single A club. He can recruit guys that normally wouldn’t be on his radar and place them in the minors until they develop more, then call them up when needed. This whole idea is brilliant.

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  7. 69Dawg

    I realize that the NCAA can mess up a two car funeral but there is a way to have a fair transfer rule without all the poaching.
    1. If the coaches (both HC and Assts) leave the players can transfer but not to the school(s) where the former coaches go. This would mean the AD’s would not have to worry that by firing a popular coach (Richt) the school would lose a lot of players that wanted to follow him.
    2. The players only get one bit of the apple. One transfer. If you transfer as an undergrad you can’t transfer as a grad, so choose carefully.
    3. If any school’s coaches, boosters, hangers on or anybody that can be connected with another school is caught attempting to poach a player, that school shall lose a scholarship for each attempt and the coach, booster, et al will have to be disassociated from the offending school for a period of time.
    4. If there is still a problem just change the rules again.

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  8. Cojones

    One should think of all the possible scenarios that any minds can conjure up in order to get an upper hand using a wide open transfer rule. After you have listed them all, go elsewhere and assess from devious minds what should be added to your naïve list, then read and reread your list while looking at what can happen to your team and determine if that is fair to them all as an ongoing team.

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  9. Maybe the liberalization of the transfer rules will lead to a market adjustment for the 4-5 year scholarship commitments with specific language related to transfers. A little freedom may result in better options for both the university and the S-A.

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