I do not think “sweeping change” means what you think it means.

Shorter Larry Scott:  Changing the amateurism model isn’t “within the scope” of the Pac-12 task force appointed to make recommendations for cleaning up college basketball, but urging the NBA to change its business model is.

These guys are convinced nothing is their fault.

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20 responses to “I do not think “sweeping change” means what you think it means.

  1. Some of these points are pretty good and should apply across all sports.

    The Olympic model is a good place to start for compensation. Why these dummies can’t figure that out is beyond me?

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  2. Skeptic Dawg

    As EE has said above, I am in favor of the majority of the suggestions made. For starters, doing away with the one and done rule is a must. This can be accomplished without the assistance of the NBA. All NCAA sports should follow the baseball model…declare for the pros right out of high school or play college ball until you are 3 years removed from your high school graduation date. This is a simple rule that gives kids an option and then places the responsibility upon the pro leagues. No current NFL developmental league as of today you say? Let kids skip college and the NFL will quickly develop a training system of some sort. And no, kids that elect to attend college should not be paid above and beyond that if which they already receive.

    Sincerely,
    The Student-Athlete Romantic

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    • This can be accomplished without the assistance of the NBA. All NCAA sports should follow the baseball model…declare for the pros right out of high school or play college ball until you are 3 years removed from your high school graduation date.

      Without the NBA’s consent, how could you stop one-and-dones? Without the NBA’s consent, how would a high school player go straight to the pros?

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      • Cousin Eddie

        Make scholarships for three year minimum, in all sports. If a coach brings in a one a done, he loses that scholarship for two more years. That would lead coaches to quit going after the kids that everyone knows are one a done. The one and done guys can go to Europe and get paid to play if the NBA doesn’t change its rule.

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      • Skeptic Dawg

        As for the one and done rule, the universities and NCAA hold 100% of the power in this situation. As you have stated multiple times, the NCAA offers the NBA and NFL a free farm system as well as the talent. By implementing the college baseball model you force the hand of the pro leagues to develop their own system/training league. As for the kids, they pick between college ball for 3 years or a pro developmental system. This model can exist without pro developmental leagues as well…play 3 years or train on your own. A kid is either in or out. I fail to see why you need the NBA’s or NFL’s consent to move forward with this model. Sure, there will be some blowback seeing as both pro leagues will be forced to spend cash on these new programs, but why should the NCAA care? The NCAA is not tied to the pro leagues in any form whatsoever.

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        • I thought the 3 year requirement was from the MLB CBA rather than the NCAA. I thought the MLB eligibility rule was come out when drafted from high school or you aren’t eligible for the amateur draft until 3 years.

          Too lazy to look it up.

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        • Let’s say the NCAA announces it’s adapting the baseball model for all sports’ eligibility. What’s to stop the NBA from drafting a kid after his freshman season? And if the NBA doesn’t ditch the one-and-done rule, or the NFL sticks with its current three year-rule, how can the NCAA force the leagues to do otherwise?

          The pros are not tied to the NCAA model in any form whatsoever. That’s why Larry Scott is fervently hoping — not demanding — the NBA will change its draft eligibility rule.

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      • South FL Dawg

        Can’t they play in another league that’s not the NBA even if it’s overseas? At least they would get paid over the table and don’t have to take a bunch of classes they’re not interested in. Let the NBA recruit all over the globe and see if they aren’t more willing to draft high school graduates.

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    • ATL Dawg

      The baseball model was created by MLB, not the NCAA.

      The football model (players have to be three years removed from high school) was created by the NFL, not the NCAA.

      The basketball model (players have to be one year removed from high school) was created by the NBA, not the NCAA.

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      • ATL Dawg

        These are eligibility rules set by the different professional leagues. The NCAA has very little (if any) say in how the leagues govern themselves.

        The leagues care about what they can get out of the college system. They aren’t looking to set up the “best” format for both their league AND the schools. They’re looking to set up the best format for their league and that’s it. For the NBA and the NFL, that format has meant using the college games as their youth prep leagues (although the NBA has slowly been growing its own minor league).

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  3. Got Cowdog

    Just my two cents: The only reason the NFL doesn’t do the one and done thing is 19 year old kids wouldn’t last long enough in that environment competing with much more mature bodies to make the investment pay off. Maybe you would find a rare one that could, but by and large it’s better to keep the youngsters in their “class”. Especially since they have no where else to market their skills.

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    • Sides

      Isn’t the roster minimum in the NFL something like $800k? I think a good bit of 5 star recruits could make the roster of an NFL team. Maybe they are not ready to be 16 game starters but I would skip college for that money…

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      • Got Cowdog

        I give up.

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        • Sides

          The age rule is terrible. If kids could go pro then we wouldn’t have to hear about college kids getting paid.

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          • Got Cowdog

            You’re trolling me, right?
            Ha ha ha, you got me.
            Seriously, is this thing working? ( shaking sarcasm meter)

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          • This whole conversation is getting so tiresome. Based on 2015 numbers, there were 310,000 high school seniors playing football. In that same year, there were 300 rookies that made an NFL team.

            The debate over who can do what, when and at what price, if any, is such a manufactured “pressing issue.” Ohhh look mom, the shiny object I see on TV ! There is not some grave injustice afoot that is oppressing an entire class of people.

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            • This whole conversation is getting so tiresome.

              And yet, here you are commenting about it again. If you’re bored with it, move on. I won’t be offended.

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            • Napoleon BonerFart

              Nobody has ever argued that a significant percentage of high school, or even college, players could go pro. The issue with the NCAA model is whether college athletes should share the same rights that other college students have. That is, whether they can be compensated for their labor, name, and/or likeness.

              Nice strawman, though.

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  4. Bulldog Joe

    “I do not think “sweeping change” means what you think it means.”

    Sure. It means our university administrators, coaches, AAU agents, and shoe companies are raking in the big bucks, while the student-athletes are left sweeping change. 😉

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