Today, in competitive balance

For those of you concerned about how above-board player compensation would favor the programs with resources…

… how much difference would it really make from the current state of affairs?

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40 responses to “Today, in competitive balance

  1. Narrator’s voice – “It won’t.”

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  2. This highlights Tom Crean’s biggest challenge by far … the ability to keep blue chips in state whenever possible. If he can unlock that formula, he can be wildly successful. If not, he’s going to leave for another job or get fired.

    Hagans was gone when it became clear Fox was going to be fired and wasn’t coming back as the days went on that Jonas Hayes wouldn’t commit to staying on the staff.

    To your point on the post, I don’t think compensation especially through the Olympic model will change anything. Players want to play for championships. The elite programs will still get elite talent, and everyone else will fight over the leftovers.

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    • Cojones

      Well, we just lost our chance to do that in state and especially in Atl. Lotta’ Xavier recruits sitting there now.

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      • Jonas seemed to leave Crean hanging. I wish he would have just said after TC was hired that he was moving on to the next stage in his career.

        Who knows what happened there? It seemed from the outside that Crean wanted Hayes on his staff, but Hayes wouldn’t commit.

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        • Cojones

          What was wrong with UGA considering a new go at BBall by retaining Hayes with a HC contract? If he wasn’t even considered, what exactly does he owe UGA by following in another coach’s footsteps who hasn’t quite panned out in his area of recruitment (Indiana) and is now in an area of America where he has to begin all over again? On the face of it, it seems that the new Indiana HC must be hitting Crean’s old recruiting area pretty hard whereas Crean has just lost his best Georgia recruiter to a school that has a more prominent BBall name.

          What’s the straight up comparison of Hayes’ recruiting ability and connections plus coaching ability when we compare it to Smart’s hiring? Hope name recognition is larger for the ability of a former Indiana HC who has been out of the spotlight for a few years.

          We will get the recruiting and players we deserve and I wouldn’t think loyalty to UGA will be one of their premium traits since that trait isn’t practiced in the other direction, but we sure wanted Hayes to stay where we could use him without promoting him any longer.

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          • Jeff Sanchez

            Hard to sell UGA’s commitment to basketball by hiring a first time head coach from a staff that just got let go for not reaching the NCAAs in 9 years

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          • ChiliDawg

            This is a really dumb take, Cojones. I’m not even gonna take the time to break it down. Just do better.

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            • Otto

              Agreed, and I can see a hope for UGA basketball if Hayes were to do something like Smart. Learn from a winning program and come back home with the skills to take on B-M and the UGA way. You never know where a career may take you. Of course this is ignoring the obvious uphill battle with basketball not being as much a priority for UGA as football.

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            • Cojones

              I confess readily to ignorance of facts that many of you may possess that is not made public, but on the face of what I’ve read and not seeing a negative take about Jonas I’ve said the unsaid in order to get a response.

              There is a great difference between dumb and ignorance. I plead ignorance as a way to get informed by those here who are in the know. Perhaps I’m not the only one who is ignorant of why some wail about Jonas leaving and seek to know why some do wail about his leaving.

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          • What’s the straight up comparison of Hayes’ recruiting ability and connections plus coaching ability when we compare it to Smart’s hiring?

            Surely, you jest.

            [HINT: How many offers — or even interviews — did Jonas have to be a head coach?]

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            • Cojones

              I certainly saw that UGA wanted him to stay and crossed their fingers with the 2nd choice Crean hire. This is Kirby’s first HC position also, but the added alumnus attraction for his hire was a good part of the reasoning for hiring him, just not as much as for being a great D coach. I think Jonas’s background goes much further than his years with Fox while we view no negative vibes about Jonas’s tenure here. My God, HC positions in FB have been filled by HS coaches without a minute of college experience.

              If any of you are suggesting naivete of College BBall hires on my part, you would be correct. There are unsaid things about Hayes’s background that I’ve not seen and perhaps some of you know. OK, inform the unwashed, please.

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              • My God, HC positions in FB have been filled by HS coaches without a minute of college experience.

                And how did that work out?

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                • Cojones

                  OK, except where the player’s mother got involved?

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                • I think that is a reference to Mitch Mustain’s mom. Gus didn’t jump right to a HC though so not sure why he brought it up.

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                • Cojones

                  While memory can’t pull them up now, confess that I was thinking of Gus Malzahn’s arrival at Ark as O coach after coaching Springdale HS QB Mustain and whose mother wanted him coached in college by Malzahn. After starting and going 8-0, Mustain screwed Nutt after Ark ran a greater ground game than Mustain could tolerate and he left for USC.

                  The most famous HS coach to college was Gerry Faust, Notre Dame (81-84) where he had an avg career. Dodge (QB, U. Texas [1983], defeated by UGA in the Cotton Bowl) went directly to N.Texas where he was a bust. While they didn’t perform lights out, we are discussing something on the extreme edge of what qualifies a coach to be considered as a college HC and I’m defending what I posted concerning HS coaches going directly to college without first spending coaching time in college as Jonas has done.

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                • While memory can’t pull them up now, confess that I was thinking of Gus Malzahn’s arrival at Ark as O coach after coaching Springdale HS QB Mustain and whose mother wanted him coached in college by Malzahn.

                  So you cite approvingly an example you can’t even articulate. Helluva rebuttal there.

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                • Cojones

                  Glibly passing over the examples of HS coaches going straight to CFB HC I gave you in rebuttal doesn’t say much for your reply either. So, my thought process for Malzahn failed your specific test for how much experience a coach has before you might name him HC, but going from HS to College O-coordinator ain’t chopped liver.

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          • Hiring Jonas Hayes as head coach would have been the ultimate Georgia Way move. My only point was that Crean seemed to want him, and Jonas seemed to string him along. It was almost like he had the Georgia assistant job in his back pocket as a fallback. Good luck to him at XU.

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            • Otto

              Promoting the hot recruiter from within to be the head coach, sounds like Ray Goff.

              Do we want to double down on Goff?

              I will forever believe Goff was a good man that was not prepared for the job he was given, and it will forever influence my opinion on hiring a Head Coach who has not bee a head coach before.

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              • Absolutely agree. Goff was not set up to be successful. The cupboard was truly empty when he became head coach. He had never even been a coordinator, and RB coach was just a title for a hot shot recruiter at that time. Richt had been regarded as one of the best OCs in the game when hired. Kirby was the same as a DC. Both were very different from Goff and likely Hayes would have been as a head coach.

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        • Cousin Eddie

          It was in his best interest long term to go, assuming he wants to be the head coach at UGA. If TC bombs or slides below MF record, would anyone want to hire an assistant on that staff and expect different results? Moving on let’s him sit and wait at a well known school and move when the time is right after “mentoring” on a, assuming, winning program.

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  3. Losing Hayes on Monday and the kid committing to Kentucky on Tuesday is the story here… Respectfully, compensation has ‘zip’ to do with this.

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  4. 3rdandGrantham

    Sorry SB, I’m going to have to disagree with you on this one. If players were compensated, UK would have signed six 5 star recruits, not five. Huge difference.

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  5. Cousin Eddie

    It could make the coaching seat easier. The coach could tell the fans and the AD that the local 5* guy was lost because UK has deeper pockets, so pony up folks.

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  6. doofusdawg

    That’s a good question. And when it comes to basketball there is no good answer. The one and done scholarship is a joke and should be eliminated.
    Let the free market rein. But then again the guys who plan on spending one year at Kentucky before they cash in have already figured out a way to supplement their lifestyle for the eight month’s of purgatory.

    Football is different… for many reasons… most notably the number of kids on each team. I am for eliminating the college requirement on both sports. This will probably shore up the international league in basketball which is good for the game’s growth. In football it would help the canadian league or maybe one of the spring league’s that are coming.

    Better eliminate the kickoffs and other dangerous plays because no mama wants her baby running full speed into a 260 pound grown ass man. The fact is that you have to grow into different levels of football while basketball does not require such.

    But you didn’t address the title nine and non revenue sports… which are watching everything closely. Revenue sharing has to be part of the solution if you accept the straw man argument that students are employees.

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  7. CB

    Wouldn’t paying players help UGA (and all major football schools) in basketball? I’m going to assume we have more money to spend than any of the current blue blood basketball programs. Although I’m not sure the emergence of UGA, Bama, and Auburn in basketball coupled with the demise of UNC, Duke and Kentucky would be a good thing overall.

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    • Cojones

      What price Glory? The money bidding war has to be done and I’m waiting to see the outcome since, in my eyes, high bidder can’t put a team together, but can certainly interrupt other’s efforts to do so. You can get a player, but you can’t get a team.

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  8. W Cobb Dawg

    Watched some of March Madness with a friend who’s a big Kentucky fan. We wondered aloud about all the second tier players that would love to play at Ky the full 4 years, and if their ncaa championship prospects might actually be better. Is the 1 and done model really getting the job done in March?

    So I say what good is signing a 5 star player if he bolts after 1 season? Give me players like Frazier and Maten – and an HC who can actually ‘coach’.

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    • Any Georgia bball fan who wouldn’t trade places with UK basketball over the last decade is delusional.

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      • W Cobb Dawg

        Why stop at 10 years? You may as well say the entire history of Ky basketball far surpasses anything UGA has done on the court. But that statement of fact doesn’t have ship to do with what I said about the ‘1 and done’ approach.

        I don’t believe the 1 and done approach is an option for UGA. If Hagans intends to turn pro after 1 season, and stories I’ve read indicate that much, there’s no reason to lament him signing elsewhere. Use the scholly for a 2nd tier player in the mold of Maten or Frazier who’ll give us 4 years, hopefully improving each year.

        It’s a testament to how weak the sec is in basketball that Ky can win the conference with freshmen. But when they run into ‘real’ basketball teams in the ncaa tourney, Calipari’s kids are consistently getting beat. They don’t have chemistry or experience going for them. Regardless of the college Hagans selects, Hagans isn’t going to be around more than a year unless he’s a major bust.

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        • UK has a 2012 national title. Calipari also took Memphis places we at UGA can only dream of. Duke, which also plays the one-and-done game, has 2010 and 2015 titles.

          March Madness is a 64-team single elimination tourney. Great entertainment, but hardly the crucible to judge management strategies.

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          • Senator, I know you don’t spend a lot of time writing about UGA basketball, but what’s your expectation of what Georgia basketball should be?

            Mine is “Make March Relevant” … If Crean can consistently get teams to the tourname and get to the 2nd weekend half the time (and do it the right way), I would do cartwheels.

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