Meow, brother

One more thing as a follow up to my post yesterday about that anonymous poll of coaches that seemed to be tilted — pure coincidence, no doubt — against African-American head coaches.

As Bruce Feldman ($$) notes,

Said one of the anonymous coaches of Taggart: “He was only at Oregon for one year, and it’s not like he really transformed that program — and that’s a place that’s won for a long time. Not that he isn’t good — he’s won. But usually when you get a job like Florida State, it’s because you’ve won some championships or done something really amazing.”

The guy Taggart followed at FSU, Jimbo Fisher, had never coached a game before he got the job replacing Bobby Bowden.

Well, in its own way, isn’t that really amazing?

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138 responses to “Meow, brother

  1. With Bowden, the couchburning hillbillies in WV hung him in effigy if I remember correctly.

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  2. Wasn’t the top underrated coach in that poll black?

    Jimbo Fisher is way overrated. People in Tallahassee know that. Dude ought to be required to send some dough weekly to Jameis- literally the best thing that’s ever happened to him.

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    • Shaw also made the overrated list.

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      • atlasshrugged55

        I see Shaw as tied for the top spot in the underrated category as well as the leader in the poll of coaches who run the cleanest programs. He was listed as having received votes as overrated but he wasn’t in the list of the top 5 of that category.

        I’d say Shaw is well respected in coaching circles based upon his top spot in two polls.

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        • The reason I was surprised we didn’t back up a couple of Brinks trucks in front of his house in Palo Alto … the guy can coach. Everyone thought Stanford would return to sucking after Khaki Pants left for the NFL. Shaw has proven them all wrong.

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          • Macallanlover

            Don’t see Shaw as underrated, or overrated. He seems to be universally respected, would bet he is among the top dozen coaches in any poll you would see. Great guy, I think he has found a way to benefit from working with high quality kids and gets the most out of lesser talented players. Good on him.

            It isn’t just people in Tallahassee who realize Jumbo was not all that great of a head coach. He may continue to win games in College Station due almost entirely to talent, and knowing how to choose a great coordinator. Stealing the Wake/ND DC alone will have A&M competitive soon.

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  3. Hogbody Spradlin

    I’ll go a step further than Bruce Feldman. Florida State has been on the radar only slightly longer than Florida. I don’t see championships or anything amazing in Bobby Bowden’s prior resume. I think anonymous coach is a dim bulb jock, but also FSU could have been eager to hire a black head coach.

    And when Blutarsky sets off “pure coincidence, no doubt”, he wouldn’t be trying to stir the pot a little, would he? 🙂

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    • Hale’s tweet didn’t set off an overreaction, so I don’t know why my comment should.

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    • Uglydawg

      I don’t blame him.
      GTP, not claiming to be a news blog but a discussion blog (I think..and expect to be corrected if I’m wrong about that) would almost necessarily have it’s pot stirred a good bit. If you piss people off, or make them really happy, they will read and some even post. If you’re mundane and balanced people will say, “so what”.
      It’s not all about “clicks” though. The dedication and passion for UGA football drives Blutarsky and the filthy riches he’s reaping are just gravy.
      Stirring the pot just thickens it.
      My worry is he’ll make so much filthy lucre with GTP that he’ll sell it to Derek (not a bad move, BTW) or Chili (terrible move) and buy one of those expensive stadium suites and forget all about us little folk.

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      • ChiliDawg

        I doubt the Senator would ever sell the blog, and I would never buy it. If I owned it I’d have to actually be nice to some of you.

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  4. I can buy Taggart being overrated (though I don’t know, I just haven’t followed him that closely).

    But Franklin and Shaw have proved themselves as far as I’m concerned. If you can win consistently at Stanford or Vandy, then clearly you know what you’re doing—which makes GTs insistence that someone like Fish Fry is the only way they can compete all the more hilarious.

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    • DawgFlan

      agree.

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    • Russ

      Taggert made USF into a decent team. He wasn’t at Oregon long enough to count. And he’s certainly more qualified than Jimbo was when he took the FSU spot.

      I don’t get how anyone could say Shaw is overrated. Just a stupid statement.

      Franklin is an ass on the order of Corch, but what he did at Vandy was pretty amazing and he’s managed to pull Pedophile State out of the hole they dug themselves.

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  5. Black coaches have a tough enough time getting HC jobs. And for the few that are able to land one, they seemingly are immediately casted as overrated. Anyone who would put Shaw in the overrated category is insane.

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  6. dawgxian

    “Pure coincidence no doubt” that all these colleges run by white leftists don’t like to hire black coaches. What’s next, a black, Ivy League student getting the cops called on her for sleeping in a public place?

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    • It wasn’t a poll of college presidents, but of head football coaches. I doubt they constitute “white leftists” as a group, but maybe you know something I don’t.

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    • ChiliDawg

      Your skills of projection are remarkable. I’ll bet you’re one of the disciples of D’Souza who like to claim that Nazis are “leftists.”

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      • Mayor

        Not a follower of D’Sousa but Nazis we’re leftists. Totalitarianism is on the extreme left. Anarchy is on the extreme right. Nazis, like Communism and other dictatorships, is on the left because it is a form of totalitarianism. The formal name of Nazis is the National Socialist Party. That ought to tell you something.

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        • Navin Johnson

          Your’e doing it all wrong.

          Totalitarianism can have either a far left or a far right underlying ideology. Left: Stalin, Hugo Chavez. Right: Hitler, Mussolini.

          It’s nearly football season. Can we all get back to our common love of the Dawgs?

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          • ChiliDawg

            Forget it, he’s on a roll.

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          • Mayor

            A common misconception fostered by media types who really don’t know what they’re talking about. Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini were all part of the same branch of the political tree–just different leaves. There really wasn’t much difference between the National Socialist Party which ran Germany under Hitler and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics under Stalin–the names really say it all. The two dictators hated each other personally and the two countries were enemies but both countries were totalitarian regimes and, by definition, were on the left i.e. concentration of power in the central government and complete control over the daily lives of the people like in the book/movie “1984.” The opposite of totalitarianism is anarchy–no government at all. There is no such thing as a “right-wing dictatorship.” Right wingers want less government, some to the point of absurdity. All totalitarian governments are, by definition, left wing. Leftists hate that so they try to turn it around and pretend that dictators are right-wing. Extreme right wing is no government at all–mobs rioting in the streets, etc.–not more totalitarianism.

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            • Derek

              You’re just wrong.

              Suggesting that the political continuum is:

              dictatorship ——– state of nature is just wrong

              Its wrong factually and its wrong historically.

              Libertarians are not necessarily on the right… or left.

              Noam Chomsky is a anarchist and is a hero of the political left.

              Ron Paul shares a distrust for governmental institutions but is a hero of the political right.

              Most Americans on both the left and right are authoritarians. Few are anti-authoritarians but they are also on both the left and right.

              This is brief and incomplete but helpful:

              The left wants government to create fair outcomes.

              The right wants government to maintain the status quo.

              The right wants police to create order now.

              The left wants social welfare to move us toward a sustained order.

              They both agree on government as a solution. They just want it to do different things for different reasons and serve different interests.

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        • ChiliDawg

          I see you’re back from your trip to Columbus. How is Zach holding up? You nail the lyin’ bitch to the barn door yet?

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        • DawgFlan

          And North Korea’s forma name is the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, which ought to tell you something about names.

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        • Derek

          This is just not very bright.

          Totalitarianism in support of the establishment is fascism and is on the right.

          Totalitarianism in support of collectivism is communism and on the left.

          Authoritarinism and anti-authoritarianism is neither right nor left but is found on both. Any Rand on the right. Noam Chomsky on the left.

          As far as the Nazis are leftists stupidity keep this very famous warning in mind:

          “First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
          Because I was not a Socialist.

          Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
          Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

          Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
          Because I was not a Jew.

          Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”

          That is historically accurate.

          Do you think the People’s Democratic Republic of Korea is either because of the name?

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        • ASEF

          “Socialist” meant something very different in early 20th century Germany. Hitler demonized Communists in the same way he demonized Jews. He loathed them, and he held up their ideology as an existential threat to Germany, part of the global Jewish plot to undermine German hegemony.

          Dictatorships are function of power, not the politics of left or right. Hitler preached German purification, racial and cultural. Purification politics are all about excluding certain people, removing them from the population, forcibly if necessary. My mother-in-law is a died in the wool Republican, and that’s pretty much where she sits right now. Mexicans: deport them (even the legals). Muslims: deport them (even the legals). Gay people: let them go back into their closets where she doesn’t have to see them. Kill the families of terrorists? “Well, it’s them or us.”

          The Nazi label has been thrown around so often and so inaccurately that it doesn’t mean anything anymore. But what Hitler preached is very much alive and well in certain circles on the right. They just changed the scapegoats.

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        • Doug

          JFC you guys are exhausting.

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        • Macallanlover

          Left meets right at a point Mayor when you get to the, so you are either right, or damned closer than the Leftists weirdos who reside here. Problems are with the extremes of both, unfortunately, we have no Central party so the vast majority of Americans are forced to choose the lesser of evils. Not sure why so many allow themselves to be squeezed into a position they know is wrong, but it is the American way. Was not so bad with two parties that allowed elected members to deviate to reflect the views of their constituency. Now they force them to adhere to the “party” line. similar to be Stalin, Mao, and Adolf. Left meets right the further you go, imo.

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          • Derek

            I agree in a sense. It is true that the ideologues are the most active folks and they will drag their party one way or the other ideologically.

            The question for me is which way do we need to adjust to? Just because you elect someone from one extreme or the other doesn’t mean the country is remade. There are minor shifts at best, even over 8 years. Obama didn’t turn the country into Sweden and Trump won’t make us 1939 Germany. I won’t argue with anybody who says that they’d like to do both. It just can’t happen. Too many controls on power. Which is a good thing.

            For the life of me I just can’t figure out any factual or logical basis for believing that this country needs to move farther right.

            So in my view you can pick an identity or you can make a reasonable assessment of things and vote to stay on course or for a change in direction.

            There was no sensible argument that the courses set by either Clinton or Obama needed correcting. There simply are no measurables that support either and both changes have been epic clusterfucks brought to us by a minority of Americans.

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            • Macallanlover

              I will agree the conservative party doesn’t need to move any further right, but you are insane if you don’t think the left doesn’t. Both have moved too far by trying to please the worst among both parties, and need to move toward the center. I maintain that neither reflects the majority of their supporters who are hopelessly left hanging with no viable options when they get to the polls, we/they vote against the other side because their poison is deemed more deadly.

              But you are wrong about no logical arguments against policies/directions set by Clinton and Obama. No administration is wrong on everything, but if you agree with very little, or nothing at all, you are a blind sheep who doesn’t use your mind, or think independently of others.

              The really odd thing is we have a point of sheer stupidity where Trump can say/favor a policy and use, almost verbatim, the exact same words that Clinton and Obama said as Presidents (Schumer as well) and he is viciously attacked and condemned and labeled the usual attack words. It is why no one takes the Left as anything by puppets, a thinking person would at least just attack the different positions. Crazy, perhaps why the left is attacking free speech and will not tolerate anyone exposing the hypocrisy.

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              • Derek

                Nothing I’ve said suggested fealty to 100% of anything. I doubt I’d agree with my own decisions looking back over 4/8 years

                Trump is unique. He isn’t being criticized because of ideology. That’s really secondary.

                He could adopt EVERYTHING I agree with and I’d vote against him because he’s a scumbag in every conceivable way. He’s just a lying sack of shit with no redeemable qualities. None whatsoever.

                If he had competence to make up for being a shit bird, then maybe, but he doesn’t even have that going for him.

                He isn’t smart.

                He isn’t kind.

                He isn’t honest.

                He isn’t consistent.

                He isn’t competent.

                He has no regard whatsoever for the world we’ve constructed and have largely ruled for 70 years.

                He has zero regard for our country, its institutions or the people that have and do serve it.

                He’s an angry, insecure, soul-less, narcissistic con man through and through who would gladly take a shit on anyone if it would result in him gaining power/money or both.

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        • gastr1

          National Socialism used the last part of that as a ruse, Mayor. It’s well known dictatorships and nationalism fall under the “rightist” side of the political spectrum. I know that facts are themselves a leftist plot these days, but I’ll share anyway. https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

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  7. ASEF

    Coaches who do have time for that shit bashing coaches who ain’t got time for that shit. With about the results you would expect.

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  8. MGW

    FSU doesn’t strike me as the kind of program that’s going to factor progressive ideology into its hiring decisions.

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  9. Derek

    Nothing prepared me for the idea that some white people might react adversely to a person of color in a prominent position and decide that he was undeserving or incapable. I’ve just never seen that sort of dynamic at play before. Ever.

    By the way, anyone think a president should, after 15 months of dealing with one, be able to spell “counsel?”

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    • Seriously, man, does every comment thread have to contain a fucking Trump reference? Is that a new rule here that nobody told me about?

      A little restraint would be appreciated.

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      • Derek

        Race, hypocrisy and double standards are relevant to the original post and not a deviation. If we’re confronted with these things in national politics it’s not terribly surprising to find in at every level of our supposed “post-racial society” and college coaching is no exception. We see it ever day in very public and prominent settings. It’s not just hiding in anonymity. Just trying to illustrate the point with information we all have access to.

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        • Race, hypocrisy and double standards are relevant to the original post…

          Trump’s spelling isn’t.

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          • Derek

            I think his supporters giving him a pass on that is. I can see how it appeared to be an example of a superfluous thread hijacking but my intent was: is acceptance of that degree of ineptitude illustrative of a double standard?

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            • Napoleon BonerFart

              A president misspelling a word is awful. A president thinking there are 58 states is OK?

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              • Derek

                How many times did he make that mistake? If you replace fifty with forty it makes complete sense:

                47, no hawaii and alaska, and 1 to go.

                He misspoke.

                How many times has doucebag misspelled counsel?

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  He thought Austrian was a language. He thought Hawaii was in Asia, even though he grew up there. Biggest genius ever? Or just another douchebag politician better suited for leaching off taxpayers than for being productive?

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                  • Got Cowdog

                    Which is my consensus on politicians in general, from the local dog catcher right on up to the sitting POTUS and his predecessor. Speaking to the “Douchebag leaching off taxpayers” part of your comment, of course.

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                  • Derek

                    Really impressive list short, insecure dick with gas.

                    Just in the category of “ick”:

                    “If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

                    “Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father…”

                    “Now, somebody who a lot of people don’t give credit to but in actuality is really beautiful is Paris Hilton. I’ve known Paris Hilton from the time she’s 12. Her parents are friends of mine, and the first time I saw her she walked into a room and I said, ‘Who the hell is that?’”

                    “She’s a very… Well, at 12 I wasn’t interested. I’ve never been into that. They’ve sort of always stuck around that 25 category.”

                    “You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.”

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                    • Napoleon BonerFart

                      So it doesn’t matter that Obama wasn’t a genius because Trump is a jerk? Every president is a jerk! Only jerks think they should be in charge of 300 million people.

                      Here’s a creepy quote. Guess which president said this?
                      “I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director.”

                      Here’s a hint.

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                    • Derek

                      How is that “creepy?”

                      If Nick Saban said essentially the same thing in a football context would you call it “creepy?”

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                    • Napoleon BonerFart

                      The smugness in the quote matches the picture where Saint O can’t possibly get his nose any higher in the air. He’s the greatest at this, that, and everything. That kind of narcissism is creepy. Especially when it’s paired with real power. The power to have a secret kill list including American citizens that can be executed without due process, for instance.

                      But hey, why waste time on such trivialities as war and civil rights when you can be distracted by fake tans and Twitter? I mean, what’s really important here?

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                    • Derek

                      Hard on,

                      The new guy said this:

                      “I alone can fix it.”

                      You’re a fucking moron and you can’t stop being that because you’re too fucking stupid to have the intelligence required to self-diagnose your own stupidity.

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                    • Napoleon BonerFart

                      The difference between us is that I think both guys who believe they’re the messiah are full of shit. You actually worship one. And then you think I’m the naive one. Precious.

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    • Tlkdawg

      Not sure. Does anyone think the president of a country for 8 years should know it doesn’t have 57 states? This game works both ways

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      • Derek

        Does it go both ways though?

        I don’t have to bend any truth to demonstrate how many times Il Douche has spelled counsel: councel or council. It’s in the twitter feed. I think it’s been three in the last 24 hours.

        We’re not talking about misspeaking while exhausted on the campaign trail. I’ve misspoke. You’ve misspoken. Happens to everyone.

        This idiot is typing this and hitting send over and over. The same people who laugh at the 57 states, don’t care about this imbecilic behavior. I don’t think anyone truly thinks that Obama doesn’t know how many states there are.

        I’m convinced via evidence that trump can’t spell the title of the guy who he’s been obsessed about for 15 months.

        Had Obama been obsessing over a map of the US for 15 months and kept making that same mistake then, and only then, could we be fairly be talking about “both sides.”

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        • Tlkdawg

          I think the point is actually that your personal lord and savior, the almighty and infallible Obama, made numerous misstatements during his time in office, while simultaneously being recognized as the premier intelligence on the planet by the left. Meanwhile, an imbecilic, tottering moron with the intelligence of a doorstop(I get this from the man) makes some erroneous spellings, which I happen to agree should not occur, and is slammed by all on the left. It seems to me that Trump is lucky to even know how to operate a phone, much less be expected to spell correctly.

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  10. DawgFlan

    I just want someone to out Muschamp as one of the anonymous sources in the poll.

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  11. DawgPhan

    Has anyone gotten a quote from Muschamp or the USC president about the use of anonymous sources to besmirch the reputations and careers for fine upstanding honest coaches?

    Would Muschamp like an opportunity to double down on calling 20% of FBS head coaches gutless cowards? I think people want to know. The media should definitely be questioning him about this.

    I dont think it would take much to get muschamp to go full wrestling promo style calling all other coaches gutless cowards.

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  12. ASEF

    With midterms rapidly approaching, college football message boards are going to be a shit-show this season. The cable news folks are already amping the “left said/right said” shouting matches, and the PACs are already “firing up their base” by putting anything out there, no matter how stupid, that will get someone to click on a “sign this petition!” link. And that energy gets into some people, and then they have to go to a place like this and let someone have it.

    My mother-in-law snarled at me last weekend over NFL protests, pretty much out of nowhere. I guess I’m the closest thing to a Democrat in her world, a guy who has politely but firmly told her I will not sit and watch cable news with her. She flips it to Hannity, I’m taking a walk.

    My personal pledge: I’m going to be doing a lot this election cycle, but I will be coming here to escape that.

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  13. Jack Burton

    “RACISM!”

    Signed, 2018

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    • ChiliDawg

      What else would you call it?

      Seems like we’re actually regressing on the issue of racism in America – now instead of just ignoring it we are normalizing it as acceptable.

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      • JCDawg83

        I’d call it opinion. Someone in the article said Saban is overrated, does that make them hate white people, I don’t think so, it makes them stupid in my opinion. Saying Taggart is overrated seems equally stupid since he has no real body of work to judge by. I think Jimbo is overrated but it has nothing to do with his race. Jimbo built his “reputation” as a coach by having Jameis on his team. He’s cashing in on that good fortune now. Kevin Sumlin got a raise and extension because he happened to be the coach at Texas A&M when Manzeil was there. Once Manzeil left, Sumlin was revealed to be a pretty poor coach and was fired. I don’t think Sumlin was fired because he was black but some would claim that. Bringing up Jimbo’s lack of head coaching experience before being hired at FSU is irrelevant to me, the same could be said of Kirby and the Georgia job and I think Kirby has done pretty well.

        Since every statement in America now that is not glowing praise of any person of color is now shouted down as “RACISM”, real racism has become impossible to really expose, I don’t think racism has been normalized, I think it has been caricatured. Crying “RACISM” has become the equivalent of the boy crying “Wolf!”. Outside of the ultra PC corporate and university cultures, claims of racism have become largely ignored due to their overuse.

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        • Someone in the article said Saban is overrated, does that make them hate white people…

          Half the AA coaches in D1 made the overrated list. Is Saban half the white coaches in D1?

          The numbers are troubling, if not definitive. But go ahead and keep your head in the sand.

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          • ugafidelis

            These guys live wit, eat with, sleep with AA dudes practically their whole lives. But somehow they’re all racists.

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  14. steve

    When I was a freshman at UGA in 1966 I actually saw the following with sober eyes one weekend night on the 6th floor of Oglethorpe (the first year it was open). A drunken boy bend over on all fours, pull his clothes to his knees and a friend insert a lit cigarette into the drunk boy’s asshole. Now, somehow that boy got that cig to puff just like he was smoking it normal-ish. Of course, everyone laughed for his 15 minuets of infamy then lost interest.
    The point of that is to say the ass clown’s activity makes more sense than bringing up the topic of politics in a sports board, where most of us go to unite and not bicker.

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    • ChiliDawg

      Politics and sports have never been separate. Ever. In fact sports are often the largest platforms for political change. This was true when Adolf Hitler used the Berlin games of 1938 to advance the propaganda of Aryan supremacy and when Jackie Robinson stepped on the diamond for the Brooklyn Dodgers as the first black MLB player in April of 1947. It certainly isn’t any different today.

      That said, it’s pretty easy to identify which posts on this blog are going to consist of political comments, and it’s pretty easy to just avoid reading them.

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      • Hogbody Spradlin

        1936 neighbor.

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      • Mark

        “…it’s pretty easy to identify which posts on this blog are going to consist of political comments…”

        Yeah. It’s getting to where it’s about all of them.

        I can avoid reading a post about overrated and underrated coaches because it figures that someone will make it political. For me, the problem is I’d like to be able to read about who’s over- and under-rated without having to have everybody’s politics continually, everlastingly, endlessly, insultingly rammed down my damn throat.

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  15. MDDawg

    I’m probably going to regret chiming in here, but here goes…

    I agree that at times it can seem like we’re regressing on the issue of racism, but I also believe that we’re sometimes too quick to assume racism (or some form of discrimination in general) as the cause for every perceived injustice when that may not be the case. Of course it’s possible that racism was a factor in the lists in the referenced article, but it’s impossible to say for sure and that actually works to the advantage of both sides. One side can drop an “I’m just sayin'” line like Hale’s, and the other side can say things like “well we don’t know who said what” or something along those lines and no one wins.

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  16. Doug

    For the record, I don’t think James Franklin is overrated as a coach…but if we rated him as highly as he thinks he should be rated, then he would be overrated.

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    • 81Dog

      “Overrated” is a relative term. It doesn’t necessarily mean the overrated person is without any talent, or even that they aren’t pretty good at what they do. It just means they get credit for being better than the results they have produced justify.

      If you could buy Franklin for what he was worth, and sell him for what he thought he was worth, you could buy an NBA franchise. Is he a good coach? Absolutely, a very good one. What’s his record against top 25 teams? Does that sound like a guy on the cusp of a NC? That seems to be his current reputation, which, frankly, seems a bit overrated to me.

      Make of that whatever anyone likes. I’m sure the fact that he’s a smug asshole doesn’t factor into the rating process at all.

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  17. The Dawg abides

    I’m really surprised Harbaugh wasn’t on the overrated list. Franklin may very well be full of shit, but that doesn’t mean he’s not a hell of a coach. Dabo is full of shit also and they are both winning big at a traditional football school. I also think Charlie Strong is a better coach than what we saw at Texas. I predict Kevin Summlin will build a solid program at Arizona, a place without the massive expectations and politics of A&M. Jimbo is definitely overrated and I think he will fade slowly there.

    Some of these guys that are considered really good at actually coaching up players would struggle in the SEC or at schools like OU, Clemson, or Texas. Paul Chryst is mentioned in the story as a very good coach, but so was Bert when he was at Wisconsin. I don’t think anyone in the SEC would rush out to hire Chryst. Mark Dantonio is another example. I just don’t think he would be wildly successful at some of these football-obsessed schools.

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    • Russ

      Harbaugh is definitely showing as overrated given his time at Michigan. Honestly thought he’d do better, but he’s been pretty mediocre.

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  18. Macallanlover

    Agree about Harbaugh, he is still getting the benefit of his time at Stanford. Wonder how long Big Blue puts up with his lack of progress? He is a “Michigan man” so probably 2-3 years more if he doesn’t stomp off for another NFL gig. He is currently the 4th team in the Big 14 in year number 4 (?). This year he has a pretty good QB to go along with his best defense yet, but still rated behind Wisky, ohio, and State Penn…and may be 2nd in his own state. Is that still good enough for a hungry fan base? Would not be at many top programs I know of with what he has been given to work with.

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  19. Tlkdawg

    Ted Cruz? Seriously? When he becomes the pres.R-nominee, I’m sure he’ll be sufficiently vetted. I’m not going to engage in a tit-for-tat because it is tiresome, endless and pointless. The reasons I have for believing Obama was utterly unfit for office are many. From his attempt to destroy the domestic coal and gas industries, to his contempt for our police and military, his hatred for Israel, the only democracy in the middle east. And how did that Arab spring work out for everyone. Or Benghazi. Or creating the vacuum for Isis, and then being unable to get control of it even though they were just the jv team. Or maybe it was his weaponizing of the IRS to attack only right wing political groups. Maybe it was weaponizing the DOJ to go in and get convictions on racial shootings that were later proven false. Maybe it was funneling cash to Iran while undoing most all sanctions. Along with his disastrous N Korea policy, setting up the mess we’re dealing with now. Inflaming racial tensions to at least 70s levels. Yeah, that’s only a few of my reasons, if not showing stupidity, at the very least showing someone who isn’t smart enough to get decent advice. But here’s the real problem with us arguing. All these things I saw happen, you either don’t believe, or worse, you think they were good things. The distance between our beliefs in what makes a strong country and a good president have never been farther apart. There is literally nothing politically that we agree on and neither will sway the others opinion. I have formed my beliefs through many years, much study and much faith. At 18 at UGA I was as liberal as anyone could be, many years later I’m very conservative in my life and beliefs. That’s not going to change unless I’m convinced that my belief system is wrong. I believe the extraordinarily liberal politics of the left will eventually be the undoing of our country. The racist, sexist, classist, etc., politics of the left have divided us in a way that may be irreparable. I hope not, but I don’t see this ending well for anyone.

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    • ChiliDawg

      You watch a lot of FOX News.

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    • Derek

      Did domestic energy production go up or down between 1/2009 and 1/2017?

      ISIS was a natural and probable consequence of the invasion which was dumb and short-sighted. What Obama insisted on and I agree is that the Iraqis fight ISIS not American troops. Would have saved a lot of lives had we insisted on the same with the Viet Kong.

      How is Obama responsible for the Arab Spring? The neo-cons were the ones who were convinced that the Arab street would turn all Jeffersonian if we kicked out Saddam. All we did was strengthen Iran’s hand.

      I’m sure that there is evidence on Obama’s role on the IRS thing. On more evidence I’ll say that the current occupant is a traitor and a Russian agent.

      DOJ shootings? What? When?

      One country in the world is with Il Douche on abandoning the Iran deal. No one else is.

      Yeah, the “Mexicans are rapists” and “good people on both sides” guy has cooled things down. Right, you fucking lying shit bag. You like racial tensions where you’re folks are the ones the torches and the nooses and the crosses, right? Just keep the brown folks down and there’s no racial tension.

      You do understand that the left controls absolutely NOTHING in this country right now don’t you?

      The GOP has 35 plus Governors and State Houses. All three branches of government and they’ve won the majority of votes once (2004) in the last 7 seven presidential elections.

      Its not that we disagree. Its that you’re immune to facts.

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        • Derek

          Its not surprising that you’ve posted something stupid and non-factual.

          You are stupid after all.

          1) there was no fisa warrant on a candidate dumbass.
          2) who was kicking whose ass? No one thought the election would be close much less go the other way.

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          • Napoleon BonerFart

            You’re picking nits like that? Tapping Trump’s candidate manager’s phone is entirely different than tapping Trump’s phone? They weren’t interested in information on Trump? Not even you’re that dumb.

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            • Derek

              I’m sure that they didn’t have probable cause. I’m sure that will all come out that they were just fishing. After all, one thing we know for sure, there is no Russia. Paul couldn’t find it on a map.

              Have you read the Manafort FISA warrant stupid? Apparently he’d been under investigation since 2014, well before Trump announced. I guess the plot just thickens huh, stupid?

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              • Napoleon BonerFart

                The FISA warrant based on the discredited Steele dossier? Sounds juicy. I can’t wait for the trial transcripts to come out in novel form. Better than Twilight.

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                • Derek

                  and you know that how?

                  I know that as well as I know that it was you peeing on Trump in Moscow.

                  You don’t know what you don’t know stupid.

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                    Lying in the warrant application. Seems legit as long as the purpose is to gEt TrUmP aT aLl CoStS!!!1!1!

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                    • Derek

                      Why would the feds know who a journalists source is stupid?

                      It’s like they just throw random words around and you bite.

                      It says “does not believe” which kinda leaves the possibility that he was the source stupid.

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                    • Napoleon BonerFart.

                      Umm, because Steele told the feds that he leaked the info to the press?

                      Just wondering, but do you consider Hillary actually paying a former British agent with ties to Russia for false opposition research to be as illegal as Trump getting the truth for free through unsolicited channels? Should we string Hillary up beside Trump?

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                    • Derek

                      Clearly the rob goldstone thing is clean and the Steele thing is illegal.

                      A person with a functioning brain stem would say:

                      asking questions and doing an investigation is ok.
                      explicitly accepting campaign help from foreign government officials isn’t.

                      It’s kinda the difference between a reporter asking a witness what they saw and breaking into the police station to pull the report. You’d say: same info. So what?

                      Why? Stupid that’s why.

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          What recount stupid? What electors were threatened moron?

          Trump has admitted Russia meddled. I don’t believe him either. Dummy.

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          • Napoleon BonerFart

            What did Trump admit to? That Russia may have exposed Hillary’s rigging of the primary? Or that they may have ran some adorable puppy ads on Facebook before the election? The monsters!

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            • Derek

              Stupid: “While Russia’s actions had no impact at all on the outcome of the election, let me be totally clear in saying — and I’ve said this many times — I accept our intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election took place,”

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              • Napoleon BonerFart

                Gotcha. So you’re upset that Russia did something inconsequential. Why am I not surprised? Xenophobia for the win!

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                • Derek

                  Hey, if the Iranians are meeting with the democrats about the influencing the election why not right?

                  Why shouldn’t the Ayatollah have a say in who the Speaker of the House is.

                  STUPID STUPID STUPID

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                  • Napoleon BonerFart

                    Well, it depends on how they want to operate. If they want to contribute money to a campaign, well we’ve already decided that we’ll accept that when Bill Clinton took money from China.

                    If you’re talking about exposing the truth about activities within our own government and political parties, well that just can’t be allowed, can it? What bigger threat to democracy could there be than an informed electorate? It’s Derek’s worst nightmare!

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                    • Derek

                      Stupid doesn’t think we should follow federal criminal law.

                      Why am i not surprised by stupid?

                      52 USC 30121

                      Have someone read it to you, stupid.

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                    • Napoleon BonerFart

                      Let me guess. It’s fine that Bill Clinton actually broke that law. But the possibility that Trump broke the law (although there’s been no evidence made public) means that hanging’s too good for him? Adorable.

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                    • Derek

                      I think murder is ok because oj was found not guilty.

                      Should have had an aggressive special prosecutor during the Clinton years I guess.

                      Stupid.

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                    • Napoleon BonerFart.

                      Only if you subscribe to the notion that OJ was a great husband, or Clinton was a great president. Which you do. So sweet.

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          The only thing I am aware of is that Obama privately approached Mitch McConnell about the possibility of publicly rebuking Russia. McConnell indicated that he would politicize any such rebuke. Thus, no one knew about the Russian influence campaign until after the election, ignoramus.

          I’m not sure you can kind a single quote from Obama on this subject, but try idiot.

          Stay stupid.

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          • Napoleon BonerFart

            https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/14/obama_trump_stop_whining_elections_rigged_or_stolen.html
            “There is no serious person out there who would suggest that you could even rig America’s elections, in part because they are so decentralized. There is no evidence that that has happened in the past, or that there are instances that that could happen this time,” the president said to the future president in October 2016.

            I guess that’s just another example of how stupid Obama was, eh? But actually, he was right. Russia had little to no impact on the election. The only people who think they did are the dumbasses who believe whatever Rachel Maddow tells them to think.

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            • Derek

              Stupid: I understand that Putin is dumb and wasted his time and resources and that we shouldn’t care about election meddling because who can say, right, stupid?

              People with brains understand that there is a difference between influencing voters and changing vote totals. You’d be among those without the capacity stupid.

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              • Napoleon BonerFart

                Which is it, junior? Is Russia the thing that goes bump in the night and snatches children and votes when we don’t eat our vegetables? Or is Russia a nation simply working towards its own interests where its worst crime is that it might have exposed the DNC’s shenanigans in the primary? Is knowing how the DNC screwed over Bernie really the greatest threat to democracy in our lifetimes?!? OMG!

                Don’t worry Derek. Russia can’t get you. Just hide your face in your mother’s skirt and everything will be OK. 😉

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                • Derek

                  52 USC 30121

                  Stupid.

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                  • Napoleon BonerFart

                    Show me the evidence, dumbass. And don’t quote Rachel Maddow or Brennan saying, “Trust us, it’s really bad!”

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                    • Derek

                      Rob Goldstone wrote:
                      Good morning
                      The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
                      This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin.
                      What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?
                      I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.
                      Best
                      Rob Goldstone
                      On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:53, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:
                      Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?
                      Best,
                      Don

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                    • Napoleon BonerFart.

                      You’re telling me that Trump Jr got opposition research from a guy, which is legal, and then didn’t use it, which is also legal? When can we execute him? This is the biggest threat to the free world since Hitler, who Trump literally is. OMG!

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                    • Derek

                      A guy is not the Russian government stupid.

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                    • Napoleon BonerFart.

                      Bless your heart you sweet little window licker.

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          • ugafidelis

            H Derek, the 1980s called; it wants its foreign policy back.

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      • Tlkdawg

        None of my facts are false, it’s just you cant see them with your face so far up obamas butt. I expected you to react with the calm demeanor of a screaming 3-year old and you didn’t disappoint. The left always reacts with name calling and attacks because truth is hard. I understand. You have been fully indoctrinated by the progressives from elementary through college, every tv station and show save one, all of Hollywood, all newspapers, etc. And yet it infuriates you that anyone believes something that you don’t. The left is where the fascism will come from. When your side takes over for good, and it will, legally or illegally, those with a conservative voice will be destroyed. There is no room for dissent in your world. You are a very childish and angry human being.

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    Shit show is right.

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