“It is just the way we do business.”

Wall Street Journal:

College football has an attendance problem. Average announced attendance in football’s top division dropped for the fourth consecutive year last year, declining 7.6% in four years. But schools’ internal records show that the sport’s attendance woes go far beyond that.

The average count of tickets scanned at home games—the number of fans who actually show up—is about 71% of the attendance you see in a box score, according to data from the 2017 season collected by The Wall Street Journal. In the Mid-American Conference, with less-prominent programs like Central Michigan and Toledo, teams’ scanned attendance numbers were 45% of announced attendance.

Even teams in the nation’s five richest conferences routinely record thousands fewer people passing through stadium gates than they report publicly. The no-shows reflect the challenge of filling large venues when nearly every game is on TV, and they threaten a key revenue source for college athletic departments.

“Attendance drives recruiting, attendance drives donations, merchandise sales,” said Rob Sine, who until earlier this year was president of IMG Learfield Ticket Solutions, which works with dozens of colleges. If fans don’t use their tickets, he added, “they’re more likely to not come back.”

Yeah, well, is anybody really surprised there’s usually a gap between reported attendance and actual butts in the seats?

A few bullet points:

  • Georgia was one of about 30 teams that didn’t provide data.  Wonder if this is something that will turn up in, say, oh… 90 days or so.
  • It’s easy to brush this off if your program is selling out, but even if that’s the case, there’s still missing revenue from concessions, for example, not to mention funds that aren’t being paid out to local merchants.
  • The excuse making, from Purdue’s “outdated equipment, connectivity problems and user error” to FSU’s “personnel and technical issues in scanning tickets”, is pretty pathetic.
  • The least surprising thing in the article?  Easily this:  “The NCAA accepts the announced attendance numbers schools submit ‘at face value’”.  That, despite the fact that schools are supposed to maintain a 15,000 “actual or paid” home attendance on a rolling two-year average to stay in D-1.

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72 responses to ““It is just the way we do business.”

  1. The Truth

    This is not surprising, but discouraging, especially juxtaposed against your annual post of the Stephen Fry visit to the Plains. The powers that be ought to have to view that clip over and over again until they understand that much of what made that a great experience for Fry is not what they’re choosing to concern themselves with, e.g. how much of that clip was given to the pageantry provided by both bands but the game experience as imagined by current administrators is cutting the bands’ role.

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    • ChiliDawg

      I very seriously doubt the driver behind declining attendance numbers has anything to do with how prominently the bands are featured. That crowd in the Stephen Fry video was not rocking because of the marching band. It was because they were playing Alabama. Not Louisiana-Monroe.

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      • Harold Miller

        Ding..ding.. ding. We have a winner! Play more meaningful games, and don’t charge us an arm, leg, and vital organ for bullshit match ups.

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  2. ChiliDawg

    It’s almost like fans don’t want to invest the time and money to attend a game with little intrigue, or something. Can’t imagine why. That fan experience for Austin Peay @ Georgia will be something you don’t want to miss.

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    • p44haynes

      This and the ever rising cost to attend these games pricing working class folks out of the market.

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    • Uglydawg

      Auburn/Washington and Tennessee/WV are both on TV as is UGA/ A-P.
      This is why I stay at home..I can flip around and see the SEC competition for Georgia. And I can raid my own fridge when I need munchies, drinks, etc.
      Now if Georgia was playing Texas, Clemson, ND, Oregon or even UCF it would be a different tune.
      Playing cupcakes is just a bad idea.

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  3. Argondawg

    Are we in love with a sport that is dying? No hyperbole intended. They seem to have lost the plot. You have to cultivate fans in every generation. You have to hope that Mom and dads take little Sally and Billy to games and they in turn do the same with their kids so that the circle stays unbroken. It seems as if the average fan has no real reason to pass that loyalty on to a dying sport. It has a lot of problems and so many of them are self induced. its discouraging to say the least. I feel like we are watching boxing or Nascar in its hey day and 20 years from now we will be talking about these Georgia seasons the same way I tell my kids About Mike Tyson. They just have no frame of reference. They can’t fathom that boxing was a big part of culture. Is that where football is headed?

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    • ChiliDawg

      Yes, but not just because administrators are losing the plot – the game is losing it’s hold on it’s foundations – youth. At the top level, the rules are changing to mitigate what we now know are the long term debilitating effects of the game on an individual’s health. At the roots, fewer parents are signing their kids up for football. They’re playing other sports. Soccer is becoming more popular, football less so. There’s an expiration date on this sport. Just hope to see Georgia win a title or two before it’s gone.

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      • Sides

        Overreact much? Football isn’t going anywhere for a long time. Just look at the top rated TV broadcasts in 2017:

        http://adage.com/article/media/ratings-slum/311777/

        Attendance is slipping but look at those TV viewers. The money is in advertising not selling upper deck tickets.

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        • ChiliDawg

          I’m not talking about the money, I’m talking about the viability of the sport. Yeah, there are plenty of eyeballs on television sets, but those eyeballs do not equate to more kids playing the game. Unless the players are replaced by machines, the declining participation in football is going to be a real problem for the longevity of the sport.

          https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-kids-tackle-football/fewer-u-s-high-school-athletes-play-football-amid-concussion-fears-idUSKCN1GO2LY

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          • Brandon M

            According to that report, the number of high schoolers playing football has dropped by 5% over 10 years or roughly 5,000 players per year out of over 1 million. If that rate of decline continues, then in the year 2068, there will only be a little over 750,000 kids playing high school ball, hardly enough of a pool for colleges to be able to field full competitive rosters from.

            Snark aside, as long as the money’s there, the most talented kids are still going to play just for the risk/reward of the chance to make millions in the league one day. While the ultimate longevity of the sport may be futile, as long as the money is there, it ain’t going anywhere in our or even our kids’ lifetimes.

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            • ChiliDawg

              Sure, if you assume that the rate of decline is a straight line, and not a curve. And remember that participation in football went down while participation in other sports went up.

              How many kids do you think start playing football because of money? Genuinely curious how many 5th graders are out there that you think want to play football because of the prospect of getting a multi-million dollar contract. I think those of you who only focus on the TV dollars associated with the sport now in terms of it’s future are missing the forest.

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              • Sides

                You seem to think that because participation is slightly down that the sport will be dead in our lifetime. Who can’t see the forest? Go to a high school game tomorrow night. Full stadium. College games Saturday. Full stadiums and sellouts for the big games. NFL Sunday. Sellouts across the league and TV ratings that match. Football is America’s pastime. My middle school had a football team but not a baseball or soccer team. All the students went to games. High school footballers are local celebrities. Want a college scholarship? 85 per team and there are a lot of teams. How many do baseball and soccer get? 11? Compare NFL pay to MLS pay. Pro baseballers spend 5 years bussing around the minors before they go pro while NFL is a draft right out of college. The sport will change and may become flag football, but it will still be popular and there will be plenty of participants.

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            • 79Dawg

              Obviously, who knows where your stats (or mine) come from, but heard something on the radio a day or two ago that said high school football participation has fallen 2.5% in each of the last 2 years – that would seem to be an acceleration what you mentioned. Over a long time period (say a decade or two), a decline of 2.5%/year is orders of magnitude more impactful than 5%/decade. Lies, damn lies, statistics, and all that!

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    • p44haynes

      It seems like game attendance is down across all major sports. Every time I turn around I see a baseball fan or NASCAR fan worried about attendance. It really comes down to a couple things in my mind. The advancement in television technology, and the rising price of going to an event while wage growth remain stagnant. It’s just easier and cheaper to watch from the couch.

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      • ChiliDawg

        I thing wage stagnation is probably the single biggest factor that nobody talks about. People talk about the unemployment rate being down but lots of folks working are just making enough to pay the bills – attending a ball game is a luxury for the upper and upper-middle class.

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    • ApalachDawg

      Sadly, I believe so. Baseball is on a faster decline.

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      • ChiliDawg

        Disagree with that. Baseball has an international footprint, and none of the permanently debilitating injury problems that football has driving it to re-shape itself into something different. Baseball attendance is languishing with the rest of them, but the sport isn’t dying.

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  4. ATL Dawg

    Coming soon to a stadium near you…reduced seating capacities and increased luxury seating.

    Gotta milk football for all it’s worth before it really starts to dry up.

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  5. 92 grad

    For me and my family, we are just priced out from going to games. I’m not as wealthy as most here seem to be but we don’t have any problem with what we do bring home, it’s all good, so I’m not whining. There’s just way too many things that I would prefer do with my income. If my son ever enrolls at Georgia things will change though…. but my point is, being able to watch every game at home kind of killed it for me. I don’t think things will trend toward the nascar levels of evaporation, tv will always be the money source.

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    • Morris Day

      I’ve attended numerous NASCAR races and college football games. The odd thing is… NASCAR is much more enjoyable at the track than on TV. College football is much more enjoyable on TV than at the game.

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      • No snark really intended, but watching paint dry is more enjoyable than NASCAR on TV. That is way more enjoyable at a track. Same with golf on TV. And I do enjoy football more at home.

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    • ugafidelis

      This is the same for me. I don’t live close enough to make it a day trip, so I’d have to stay over. The cheapest tickets to the Vandy game I saw were $75. What’s a room going for on game weekends? $200 or so a night? So at a minimum you’re looking at 350-400 bucks. If I was to bring my sons. It’s closer to 600. That’s jus too rich for my blood.

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      • Trbodawg

        Try adding a cross country plane trip. Doable, but only once every coupla of years. Now, The Rose Bowl (6 hr drive) and Levi Stadium (2 hr drive) are much more attractive 🙂

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  6. Dylan Dreyer's Booty

    I have never thought that ‘paid attendance’ was the same as ‘actual attendance’. What I don’t know is how much different this is now than it was in, say, 1973 when there were enough of us consistently on the tracks at Sanford to get them to close in that end zone and cut us off. It makes sense that with more TV games (and less of a fan-friendly experience) the numbers might be troublesome but I am not sure if there is any data to show that. When I first got on campus it became apparent to me that the games were more of an excuse for alums to meet folks they were friendly with in school who lived a long way from them because of jobs, etc.

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  7. The opponent has nothing to do with why I’ve thought about stopping attending. It’s all about taking 2 hours to get into stadiums, late kickoffs, long bathroom lines and I’m sure I’m missing a couple others. Watching on tv in 4k isn’t enticing us to stay home.

    Honestly, though? The lines to into the SECC and especially the NC damn near made me regret going. Having some dude fondle my balls after standing in line for 3 hours isn’t the experience I’m going for. Sanford isn’t at this level but is not been far off the last few seasons. Yeah yeah….safety whatever. That makes it not worth it and I don’t feel safer.

    Oh and freaking tv timeouts.

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    • That’s not to say that I don’t think this season’s home schedule is utter trash and I spent all that money for very little in return. I guess another SECC title and playoff appearance would ease my butthurt over it.

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    • ChiliDawg

      The comments about lines are interesting because I didn’t experience any issues at all at the Rose Bowl. That was probably one of the most enjoyable experiences I’ve had. They know what they’re doing.

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      • Well Trump was at the NC but the SECC lines were probably the worst game experience in my decades of going to games. They even announced it was going to be worse but that didn’t prepare you. It was literally TSA screening with putting everything in a tray and having it screened, metal detectors and I’m not joking about being felt up. Waiting to get into both games actually made me tired and stressed. You could see it in the crowd.

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      • Russ

        I don’t know about you, but it took us 30-45 minutes to get in (easily) and I never left my seat once I got there. My friend left at the end of the 1st quarter to get a beer and missed a large chunk of the second quarter.

        That said, I’m absolutely ecstatic I was there, but it’s not something I’d sign up for every weekend.

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        • ChiliDawg

          At the Rose Bowl? That’s completely opposite from my experience. I was stunned how quickly I was able to use the bathroom and get concessions. Granted I only visited concessions before the game and at halftime, but I had no trouble at all.

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          • illinidawg

            It was OK but the view sucked until Sony ran right at us for the win! At least we could see the video on the scoreboard. Our seats at the other end must have really been bad.

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    • Argondawg

      That was you?

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    • PTC DAWG

      Who’s broadcasting college football in 4K?

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  8. Beer Money

    What makes little to no sense is the fact that you read almost unanimously across the board that every school’s attendance is down, yet the cost of tickets has gotten absurd in the majority of cases. If you have so many factors working against you, wouldn’t you think that getting people in the door at whatever cost would be top priority?

    Like everything these days, they are playing the finite game. What can we rape out of people today and boost this year’s bottom line. Next year and years to come be damned.

    For example, I know it is a neutral site game, but look at how many unsold tickets Auburn has left for their game Saturday. Then look at the cost of these seats. If they were half price, the place would likely be sold out. But instead, this is going to look terrible on TV.

    https://ev12.evenue.net/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/SEGetEventInfo?ticketCode=GS%3AAUBURN%3AF18%3ACFKO%3A&linkID=auburn&shopperContext=&pc=&caller=&appCode=&groupCode=KICKOFF&cgc=

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  9. Aladawg

    Ultimately this is going to smash secondary ticket markets. I’m seeing this myself. South Carolina should be a premium game but tickets are selling at less than “road” face value.

    I hope we win all 12, but from a ticket standpoint it will be VERY interesting what happens if we stumble and win 9 or 10 and don’t win the East. I hope that doesn’t happen but what will BM DO with an ND and TAMU hone game if the record goes to 9-10 wins. I’d like to hear the blogs opinion if that happens

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    • 79Dawg

      Next season will not be a problem due to Notre Dame, people will either buy to re-sell or to have extras for friends/family. The year after that, will be interesting.
      I actually think the ticket situation at least (hopefully not the year) is a lot like 2008: team was hyped, economy in ATL was humming, Georgia games were the “social” thing to do even for Yanks/non-sports fans, etc., then things turned, for both the team and the economy…
      As for road tickets, I am done paying $100+ to know I have a ticket before I head out of town, all to sit in the upper deck at shitholes like W-B, J-H and Neyland… As far as I am concerned, the road bubble appears to have popped for everyone given increase in prices and poor seat locations!

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  10. Bourbon Dawgwalker

    Amazing that every other D1 athletic department in the state was able to share information in what was probably less than 90 days, but the largest program at the flagship university couldn’t get it done. I would hope this information is readily available on multiple people’s desktop in the athletic department.

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  11. DawgPhan

    I stopped going when I started taking my son there. There is basically nothing that is family friendly about attending a game in athens.

    Which was great 10 years ago…

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    • Normaltown Mike

      I have 3 girls and am in similar predicament.
      My rules are:
      1. pick games against dreadful opponents,
      2. get to the stadium early,
      3. buy em lots of snacks and hopefully by early 4th quarter you can convince them to
      4. leave early to get a milkshake at CFA and beat the crowds leaving the game.

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  12. Otto

    Rules will change enough to run me off long before attendance and revenue will.

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  13. CB

    Y’all really need to take a tablespoon of STFU about your ticket donations. If you want to facilitate change stop donating. It’s the college football’s edition of millenial cord cutting.

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  14. Just Chuck (The Other One)

    As a review of these comments would suggest, there is not a single reason for decline in attendance. Certainly the number of cupcake games is a factor, especially if there are more exciting games on TV. I don’t know what to expect on Saturday’s attendance. I want to be there just to see if we are as good offensively as we are projected to be and you can’t always tell that from television. It also makes me happy just to be back in Athens. I remember the Goff era when sometimes that was all we had going for us. For me, deemphasizing the band and other things that contribute to the atmosphere is a disappointment but I know it’s not for a lot of the folks who sit around me. Halftime for some is the time to stand up and have a conversation and not attend to anything on the field. Throw in the fact that this is a holiday weekend and lots of families have get-togethers planned. That’s the primary reason I’m zero for three in attempts to find someone to use my extra ticket. How many of you are going Saturday? What’s the reason you decided you wanted to be there?

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    • Morris Day

      My wife, son and I will be there Sat along with my buddy and his wife. We are going simply because it is opening day, we expect a presentation of the 2017 SEC Champions and we look forward to hanging out with our regular tailgate crew. We travel a little over 3 hours one way. We will not be attending the MTSU, Vandy or UMAss games this year. And, wouldn’t have attended the AP game were it not opening day.

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    • illini84

      I’m going because I live here and I’m still basking in the Rose Bowl. I don’t get f/s tix when I retire and I’m working and extra year just so I get them next year so I want to soak it up while I can.

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    • JCDawg83

      I’ll be there for the same reason you will, because I love going to Athens for the day. The game is good but being in Athens, seeing campus and old friends and the game day crowd make the trip worth it to me.

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  15. W Cobb Dawg

    Schools have thousands of students. You wanna piss those students off? Charge them athletic fees and then do as much as possible to prevent them from being allowed to attend the games. If you can’t find ways to get students in the seats it’s just a matter of time before nobody shows up.

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    • Normaltown Mike

      to be honest, they’ve made great strides in rewarding students that use their ticket and punishing the professional tailgaters that don’t.

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      • W Cobb Dawg

        I was referring to all cfb schools. Thought that what was the premise of the story. I wouldn’t say the sec is in as bad a shape with attendance as the rest of cfb, but that’s just my perception.

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  16. Ticket prices.
    Parking.
    Standing in line to walk in an inch of urine to take a leak.

    Other than price, it’s the sensory assault on Clockwork Orange levels that does the most to keep me away. I really cannot stand being screamed at by a jumbotron and/or PA for three hours.

    It’s like they’re clueless that I came to relax a little and watch a football game, not commercials. HEY, YOU WANT TO WATCH SOME TV COMMERCIALS UP HERE? HEY! EYES UP HERE, BUDDY!

    Love my Dawgs, but that’s no way to run a railroad imho.

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  17. illini84

    One of my season tickets would never scan last year.

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  18. Athens Dog

    I still think the upper decks will be under tarps in ten years……………

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  19. Lots of valid comments here, but I also see that the problem is starting earlier. Where I grew up, outside of the Atlanta area, high school football is a big deal. While my kids’ high school is twice as large as mine was, the stadium holds maybe a third as many people. Even then, there are plenty of empty seats on Friday night. I see the same thing at other metro-Atlanta schools.

    As long as the big colleges are mostly filled with students from larger cities where football is just another after school activity and not a part of the community’s identity, I wonder if enthusiasm will continue to dwindle.

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  20. They need to start tweaking things, 1 at a time, and see exactly what works well under what conditions (opponent, start time, etc etc). For cupcake games, make every concession item $1 or $2. Inundate north campus with family friendly stuff, put the cheerleaders and mascots there instead of at the the Georgia Center, start the dawg walk near the library…… just some ideas. There is definitely a market for the price of cupcake tickets for those that have young children. Roll out the carpet for the toddlers for games that millennials could care less about.

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  21. I think some teams have gotten in trouble with the NCAA and some legal ramifications over the incorrect counts for attendance. WAZZU got in some trouble.

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  22. TA&M has a half empty stadium tonight.

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  23. The Dawg abides

    Well, A&M just kicked off to a stadium with large swaths of empty seats, at least in the end zone areas. And that’s with all the new Jimbo hype.

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  24. UGA '97

    It’s not college football that has an attendance problem. It’s the overall poor leadership. When blockbuster closed its doors, Netflix opened theirs. Just get the content and gameday experience issues figured out or else sooner than later, our favorite home teams will be playing neutral site games, in highschool stadiums, close to our backyards.

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