Observations from the armchair, Mizzou edition

The weirdest part of a weird game?  The disparity of performance between Georgia players — there were some absolutely brilliant games played by kids like Ridley, Walker, Baker and Stokes and there were some who were flat out busts.  Overall, I thought the team brought its C-game to Columbia, but for once the average doesn’t really tell the entire story.

On to the bullet points:

  • Allow me to take the contrarian position on the Okwuegbunam fumble.  After seeing one of the broadcast replays, I don’t think his forward progress was stopped.  He appeared to be twisting his body to turn inside when the ball was ripped free.  Regardless, after all the plays we’ve seen over the years where SEC refs let a play continue for what seems an eternity, this strikes me as a strange hill to die on for Mizzou folks.
  • One thing I didn’t expect was to see the cornerbacks outplay the safeties.  Reed and LeCounte took me back to the last year of Grantham’s defense.  Both were frequently out of position and LeCounte’s tackling, in particular, was abominable all day.  Watch the way he olé-d his way through the Lock touchdown run.  I know folks are bummed out about the defensive line’s run play, but this, to me, is the biggest thing Kirby has to clean up.
  • It didn’t help that the safeties had to make a lot of tackles.
  • Eric Stokes had his coming out party:  four tackles, three passes broken up and a blocked punt he also returned for a touchdown. He’s going to be taking playing time away from somebody.
  • For all the complaining we could do about Georgia’s pass defense, the worse thing you could really say about it is that Missouri completed a lot of dinks and dunks.  That’s not the way anyone thought the Tigers could win the game and they were right.  Lock got nothing deep and didn’t hit half his pass attempts.  In my book, that’s a damned good day.
  • The bad part of that, if you will, is that Georgia let enough of those short passes connect, along with a run game that, while, again, was not something that broke many big plays (nothing over 20 yards on the day), did allow too many drives in the second half to be sustained.  Bending and breaking is not what Georgia is supposed to be doing.  I saw a front seven that appeared to relax a bit once Georgia’s offense got its footing and paid the price for that.
  • Which means that focus for sixty minutes is the other big thing the coaches have to work on this week.  This team is a bit too much in love with itself for comfort.
  • Interior run defense was hit and miss, as the safety tackle totals indicated.  There were plenty of times when Missouri backs were stopped for little gain, but there were plenty of times when the Tigers’ offensive line got more push than expected.  The ILBs were inconsistent, too.  More things needing clean-up, I suppose.
  • D’Andre Walker may not be forty, but he’s a man — four tackles, two sacks, two forced fumbles, a pass break-up and a quarterback hurry.  If he’s not the SEC defensive player of the week, I’ll be interested to see who is.  Does Georgia win if he just had an average game?  Probably, but it would have been a helluva lot closer.
  • Perhaps the most overlooked story of Georgia’s season to date is the improvement in the receiving corps.  They don’t get a lot of opportunities, but they sure make the most of it when they do.  Ridley, as I mentioned, had a spectacular day.  Holloman, goal line brain fart aside, is really starting to come on and made a brilliant catch.  Mecole is Mecole; you hold your breath every time he touches the ball.  They’re doing all this and Terry Godwin is still recovering from an injury.  They block, too!
  • Speaking of recovering, it looks like Swift isn’t quite back to full speed, although 80% Swift is still worth giving the ball to.
  • Holyfield never finishes a run without lowering his shoulder.  Beast, baby.
  • Did the Dawgs run a jet sweep?
  • Georgia outgained Missouri with about 450 yards of offense, so you don’t want to say the offensive line had a bad day.  But it was an inconsistent one, at least with regard to the run game.  At times, Georgia would get rolling on the ground, but there were times when they needed a short gain and the line either got out-muscled or out-schemed.  There is no excuse for starting a drive on the other team’s seven-yard line and settling for a field goal.
  • Which reminds me, fellas — you put Justin Fields in at quarterback for the first time in that setting and you’re dreaming if you don’t think everyone in the stadium is expecting a quarterback run.
  • I’ve already mentioned noticing Fromm’s habit of taking a while to get himself up to game speed.  I hope that gets fixed, because once he’s on, whoa, baby.  Two things that stood out to me as I watched were (1) his completion to Holyfield, which came after he ran through all his reads as the play developed and (2) the touchdown passes to Ridley and Holloman.  Jake ain’t perfect, but there isn’t a quarterback in the country that can make that sideline throw downfield better than he can.
  • I know it’s a popular thing to blame Chaney for having an off day with his playcalling, but I’m gonna tell you I think that’s more on Chaney’s boss.  Kirby is nothing if he’s not consistent about insisting his team impose its will on the opponent.  The problem with that approach on Saturday is that Purdue showed the week before that Missouri’s defense was vulnerable to the deep ball, not the run.  Waiting a half before exploiting that weakness probably wasn’t the best tack to take, but I do understand why it happened.  And it did work out in the end.
  • Special teams was a mixed bag, but it didn’t follow the script we saw before Missouri.  Blankenship was mortal.  He had two kicks returned, both past the 30-yard line, pulled a field goal attempt and had another blocked.  Camarda had one mediocre punt that contributed to the field position advantage that Missouri enjoyed most of the day.  On the plus side, Hardman has another boss return day.  (Crumpton is going to see less time on punt returns unless he starts fielding and fair catching punts instead of letting them hit and roll, though.)  Did I mention Eric Stokes’ big day?
  • If one of your complaints about Richt was not showing enough emotion on the sideline, then, brother, Kirby Smart is your guy.  He’s got some range, that’s for sure.  Too bad he had as much source material as he did for that.

The best way I can describe Georgia’s day is that while the bodies all got off the bus, clearly some players’ heads never did.  That the team managed to survive and advance against a conference opponent on the road — and really, survive is an unfair way to describe a game that Georgia never trailed in and had Missouri in a two-score or more deficit from the middle of the second quarter through game’s end — is never anything to sneer at.

This is an immensely talented team.  It’s also a very young team.  That means there are going to be bumps in the road, at least in the short run, although a lot of that will be covered over by talent advantage.  It’s up to Kirby to keep that run as short as possible, because the time will come when the talent advantage won’t be enough by itself.

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  1. Randall Adams

    Nice analysis. Agree that some of this is Kirby’s insistence on running the ball. That secondary was there for the taking all day. They won on an off day, at 11 in the morning in perhaps the most boring venue in major college sports. That’s the takeaway… I didn’t like the play calling. I thought we were aggressive went it didn’t make sense and aggressive when it didn’t make sense. 1st down on the 7th, they should have left Fields in.. And I think Fields type of play would have been VERY effective against this defense. At the end of the day, they won by 14…

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    • Russ

      Maybe it was Kirby’s play calling, but he was sure reaming out somebody on the headset when we couldn’t score from the 7.

      I think Lecounte is being messed up by the new targeting rules. We applauded him for not lowering his head against an SC receiver, avoiding a sure penalty. I saw him do the same against Mizzou and the runner lowered his head and took Lecounte for a ride. He seems unsure. That doesn’t explain the wiffs and bad angles, though.

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    • “They won on an off day, at 11 in the morning in perhaps the most boring venue in major college sports.” And their stadium smells like kettlecorn. Yuck.

      I went in to a bar after the game, and the TV wasn’t turned to Bama-A&M or even Clemson Ga Tech – it was turned to Kansas State vs. West Virginia.

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      • Russ

        That sounds like “sports bars” here in Houston. When I first moved here, I went to a local establishment to watch the Georgia game. Walked in to a nice set up with eleventy dozen TVs, and every one was on the Texas A&M game of the week. Every. Single. One.

        That’s what passes for a sports bar here, unless your alumni group makes special arrangements.

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  2. Bright Idea

    There still may be a leadership void with this team too. Just not as many old guys as last year.

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    • atlasshrugged55

      Agreed. although D Walker is certainly leading by example. The problem may be that the younger guys, who seem to have very strong personalities, are making plays while some of the older guys are more on the quiet side. Thus, the younger guys are less likely to listen until they get humbled.

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      • RandallPinkFloyd

        FWIW – most of the beat writers don’t think this is much of an issue. They say the youngsters are held accountable. In fact, some of the freshmen even call out other freshmen when needed.

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  3. Agree with most of this I think, though I think Mayes has had 2 really rough weeks in a row. He’s got the attitude, but he’s not there yet.

    Also, does anyone know wtf is up with Swift? If he’s banged up, then I wish they’d just announce it.

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  4. Biggen

    I agree with everything you said. We are just very young but talent erases so many mistakes. We are getting banged up pretty good though right now. It would be nice to pull starters at half time the next two games and get those guys healed up for LSU in a couple weeks.

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  5. The Truth

    I think the worst thing we can do with Fields is treat him like he’s just a runner. He’s more likely to stay with the program (literally) if we don’t trot him out there every time it’s 1st and goal on the 7 and the whole world knows he’s going to run it. If you put him in, let him be a QB, not just another RB running the Wildcat.

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    • RandallPinkFloyd

      The weird part about that whole sequence was we ran the ball with Fields on first down and then throw to the end zone twice after that. I would have preferred to leave Fields in and just let him hand it off twice, I’m confident in our backs and line to get in the end zone there. Instead, we settle for 3.

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    • Squatchdawg

      If we’re going to play him we have to give him a series of plays. There’s nothing more idiotic than to trot the running QB out there for one play and have him try to run when everyone in the stadium knows what’s coming. He’s got to show the defense he’ll throw before the run can become effective.

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    • Dylan Dreyer's Booty

      I would like to see Fields play more. Not start or anything, but I said before (maybe not here, but somewhere) that the ideal situation here is to have a group that Fields works and get reps in practice with that group, and then send them in as a unit. It doesn’t have to be all second team players, but just folks that he gets some reps with in practice and has a feel for playing with. I really like the idea of two offenses to wear down defenses and get everyone playing time so that if, God forbid, Fromm goes down, the plundering continues. we have that sort of depth now; might as well use it.

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  6. Derek

    I think the weakness in the defense is at ILB. It looks like they’re playing a lot of 2-deep safeties, eliminating big plays and letting teams dink and dunk.

    What’s disappointing is letting them run it in in the rz. Bend don’t break is fine unless you break.

    I don’t know that we’re maximizing our explosive plays to force the other team to abandon the run which would play into our strengths: coverage and qb pressure. But there’s no reason not to continue to get the OL salty as we’re going to need to ride them when we play better opponents. I think we could be throwing up 60 a game IF that’s what we wanted to do.

    I like the fact that we’re getting special teams and defensive scores and lots of TO’s. Those are the sorts of things that championship teams do.

    All in all, I think this is going to be a formidable team even if it’s not a brick wall defense with a steamroller run game. It’s more of a deep, talented, explosive “speed kills” team. But just win baby right?

    And btw, despite all the Bama love our there, you look at the stat lines and there’s not a lot of differences save passing yards. On the other hand, we’re running the ball for a good bit more yards than they are. I’ll take than every time.

    We’ve got two beat downs to go before we trip down to the land of the Corn Dog. Let’s see where we are on 10/14. If LSU goes into Gainesville and wins, that game in Red Stick will probably tell us more about who we are than any other on the schedule.

    I like the fact that we have that 4 game stretch of competent, but hopefully not good enough to get a W, teams to play. Then 2 weeks to get right for 12/1.

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    • Irwin R. Fletcher

      I thought the same thing about the ILBs. Rice’s absence notwithstanding…I think you’ll see Walker and Tindall start getting more reps. If you are going to play guys that are less athletic and aren’t making plays, you might as well play the better athletes that may make plays.

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  7. TN Dawg

    100%.

    How much of the ineffectiveness of the ILBs was scheme, if any, in your opinion?

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    • David K

      I think the scheme is fine. We got used to watching Roquan be a beast and chase down everything on the field. These guys now are just a split second slower to react, they don’t tackle as well, they don’t rush the passer as well, and they don’t cover as well. That being said, they’re better than most ILB’s in the country and most other teams would love to have them. We’ve just been spoiled watching one of the best in a long time.

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      • Cojones

        You have the tackling aspect correct. That stood out that no one was leaping to get legs and take the runners down. Someone mentioned “shoulder tackling” and I have to admit that I see it as a weakness when an opponent lets Holyfield get away with the yac yards that Mizzou got away with Sat.

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    • Bulldog Joe

      It wasn’t scheme. It was our personnel getting outmuscled and fatigued as most of their yardage was inside the hashes.

      Also, Monty Rice did not play in this one.

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    • Bright Idea

      The scheme with the marriage to 2 deep has us outnumbered in the box vs the run. The line is going to take on the blocks so the ILBers have to step up and take on the run. So far that has not happened regardless of who is in the game.

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    • Busta

      IMO the scheme allowed for us to be soft for the run. Tackling definitely wasn’t the best, but they didn’t have anything explosive against us. I was saying all week, all Mizz has is Lock and Hall, you take out Lock and that offense has nothing. The Dawgs took out Lock and they really didn’t have anything. Hardman got stripped which set them up with great field position. They got a gift roughing the passer that led to a TD. Actually sweet field position the whole game.

      As for the strip/return the TE, after watching no only the highlights but the game twice I feel it was right not to be blown dead. I hear many Mizzou fans complaining about that. Even if that is wiped out The Dawgs still win. If they want to nit pick about that, take away the weak roughing the passer and give us the blatant personal foul on Fromm.

      Happy for the win that was never in doubt, would like to see the coaches not only remain aggressive but start to open the playbook up on both sides (I think this’ the real reason we didn’t kill Mizz early).

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  8. JasonC

    Maybe we can get Saban to make a plea to the media to write about all the things we’re not doing well to help us with that “just show up attitude “.

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  9. Good job Senator, As my friend and I were watching it Saturday we both agreed that it seem MO really want the game and we played like we were entitled to it. Believing too much of the rat poison I guess.

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  10. ASEF

    Florida, Kentucky, Auburn. That’s shaping up to be a brutally physical and draining 3 game stretch. And during a 3 game stretch like that, some of the stuff we saw Saturday suddenly matters a lot more.

    I was worried the schedule might not give Georgia tests that would complement the learning curve this team needs. No more worries on that front. If this bunch uses days like Saturday as learning opportunities and stays focused, it’s one of 3 complete teams in the country.

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    • Derek

      Add LSU two weeks before that 3 game stretch and if we get through it unscathed against 3 good teams and 1 rival all looking to take us down, we can beat whoever IMHO.

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    • ChiliDawg

      Florida? No. Kentucky and Auburn, yes. I’ve been telling y’all about Kentucky.

      Florida is still awful. Don’t let the score line from Saturday night fool you.

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      • ASEF

        It’s a rivalry game. It’s not the risk of a L, it’s the physical toll of it that carries into the week of prep for UK. Maybe the Gators fold like a cheap suit and make the game a walk in the park in the second half, but I doubt it.

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  11. Bigshot

    Rumor is that Godwin is not hurt and his mama ain’t happy he’s not playing.

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    • 81Dog

      why in the world would we not play him if he isn’t hurt?

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      • Irwin R. Fletcher

        Because we have two guys that are 3 to 5 inches taller and a Mecole taking his reps?

        We aren’t throwing the ball over the middle…just aren’t….and Godwin just doesn’t give us the same look as Ridley or Holloman on the outside. Plus, those bubble screens…Mecole’s now.

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  12. MDDawg

    Regarding Kirby’s sideline performance, I couldn’t help but laugh when I was watching the replay last night. Seeing his reaction to the roughing the passer call late in the game, shouting from the sideline “Tyler! TYLER! Why?! WHYYYYYYYYYY?!!!” while clutching his chest. Priceless.

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  13. Greg

    “I’ve already mentioned noticing Fromm’s habit of taking a while to get himself up to game speed”

    Disagree, he needed more help on the receiving end that first half:

    1) One pass hit Hardman right in the hands in the EZ, he should have had it. Beautiful pass…

    2) One of the passes that did hit him in the hands, the defender stripped the ball from him (Hardman) & it counted as an interception…he should have held on.

    3) Another what should have been a completion & TD to Hardman, didn’t count. Fromm placed it perfectly where no one else had a chance. Probably could be questioned, but with a little better body control from #4..it would have counted as a TD.

    Not trying to beat up on Hardman, just saying that with a little more help from #4….some would be singing a different tune on Fromm. Not Hardman’s best day (muffed punt). But he is going to be a great one imo….everyone can have a bad game, this was not Hardman’s best one.

    Agree with everything else, good synopsis. You are spot on about the players heads not being in it. We certainly miss the senior leadership, we get better as the season goes. Bet that won’t happen this Saturday (heads in game), gonna be a LONG day for UT.

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    • 81Dog

      at worst, you could maybe say Jake was a tiny bit off in the first half. But it’s not like he was QC throwing it up for grabs at SC off, either.

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      • ChiliDawg

        “at worst?”

        Fromm was hot garbage in the first half. And he wasn’t THAT much better in the second. That long TC to Mecole was underthrown, it was just lucky that literally nobody had bothered to cover him.

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    • Uglydawg.

      Agree, Greg. Good observations to quell a growing meme.
      The next thing we’ll see is lazy assed sportswriters (who do read GTP) picking up on this and we’ll be hearing “Fromm is a slow starter…will JF have his usual slow start?..Can Georgia afford for JF to have his usual slow start against LSU?’ That kind of crap.
      Balls were stripped and dropped..not his fault.
      I think the early game blahs started when Georgia was having a pretty easy go of it in their opening drive and inexplicably decided to throw it deep on first down…incomplete and put us ten yards behind the sticks on second down. I though that was a moral killer for Georgia an a booster for the Tigers.

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      • Greg

        Probably get some disagreement here, but we needed a game like this.

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      • The Dawg abides

        Inexplicably? They went against tendency and took a deep shot that should have been a touchdown. Great call. The strip of Hardman on what would have been a first down was the drive killer and the boost for them.

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      • Good observations to quell a growing meme.

        It’s not a meme. It’s stats.

        … check out Jake Fromm’s passer rating by quarter.

        1st — 145.40
        2nd — 171.71
        3rd — 333.77

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        • Greg

          He can’t throw & catch it. Stats are great and all that, but they certainly don’t spell out what is happening on the other end….as pointed out.

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          • Irwin R. Fletcher

            He’s not throwing to the right spot, is getting sacked holding on too long, and is checking into the wrong play. He’s in a fog in the first half right now. (The Int against Carolina is exhibit A)

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            • Greg

              LOL!!….but yet, has a passer rating of 199.66. Ahead of last year by 30 plus points. Nothing wrong with what I said earlier in the 3 examples of the 1st half. Some of you critics need to start watching the game and put away John Madden:

              http://www.cfbstats.com/2017/leader/national/player/split01/category02/sort01.html

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              • Irwin R. Fletcher

                He doesn’t have a passer rating of 199.66 in the first half, genius.

                In 2018, Fromm’s two interceptions are both in the first quarter, his longest completion in the first quarter is for 13 yards, and his YPA is a pedestrian 5.8.

                In 2017, Fromm had 9.10 YPA in the first quarter and over 40% of his attempts went for first downs.

                Nice Madden trope…but clearly a distraction away from the reality that Fromm has been an average QB early in the two games that have mattered.

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                • Greg

                  JEEBUS!!!… last I looked, there are two halves to a game. His passer rating is ahead of last year’s by a bunch. 199.66 (this year) ain’t bad, try comparing that nationally.

                  I spelled out his first half and the issues that some are concerned with, gave 3 examples. Undefeated, ranked #2, passer rating ahead of last
                  year….shat, I ain’t worried.

                  If you are, go ahead….you’re prerogative.

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                • Irwin R. Fletcher

                  I’m not worried about Fromm. I am worried about accuracy. His passer accuracy in the first half in 2018 is currently worse than his passer rating in the first half in 2017,

                  http://www.cfbstats.com/2017/player/257/1086994/passing/situational.html
                  http://www.cfbstats.com/2018/player/257/1086994/passing/situational.html

                  It doesn’t take a genius or ALL CAPS to understand that the observation that Fromm is struggling to get going in the first half is backed up by the empirical and statistical evidence. Your explanation that it is Hardman’s fault based on three examples from one game (two of which somehow assume that throwing into tight windows and ending up with a bad result is all on the receiver) is a bridge too far.

                  To you, my friend, I offer up the finest in Internet Champagne. A Toast to your “All Caps,” “Just Sayin”, Elipses, Madden-references, and ‘stats’ don’t tell the whole story retorts. Thanks for reminding me why I don’t read the AJC.

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                • Greg

                  ” I am worried about accuracy. His passer accuracy in the first half in 2018 is currently worse than his passer rating in the first half in 2017″

                  Passer Rating 1st half ’17 = 160.59 (15 games)
                  Passer Rating 1st half ’18 = 158.55

                  That worries you??

                  Overall passer rating (4qtrs), ’17 =160.04
                  Overall passer rating (4qtrs) ’18 = 199.66

                  Hence, my take….its a 4 quarter game, not concerned….and the difference between a half of play when comparing the two years is miniscule

                  “Accuracy”

                  Completion percent 1st half ’17 = 65.8 %
                  Completion percent 1st half ’18 = 68.5%

                  Completion percent for 4 qtrs. ’17 = 62.2%
                  Completion percent for 4 qtrs. ’18 = 72.5%

                  Just don’t get all the angst about Fromm, again….not worried or concerned. Hardman did not have his best game. Everybody can have a bad day…he will be a great one

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                • Irwin R. Fletcher

                  I was talking about your accuracy, Greg. E.G. Your take on Hardman as evidence that Fromm wasn’t getting off to a slow start is hot garbage.

                  But it’s cute that you thought I was talking about Fromm.

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                • Greg

                  I’m not worried about Fromm. I am worried about accuracy. His passer accuracy in the first half in 2018 is currently worse than his passer rating in the first half in 2017

                  Kinda hard to deny all of that, don’t ya think?? Used your links and showed that he is
                  NOT (more caps 😏) “worse” than last year.

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            • ChiliDawg

              I don’t know how anyone watched the first half of that game and thinks that Fromm’s problem was receivers not catching the ball. He wasn’t anywhere close to his targets.

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          • So, Greg, what you’re saying is that it’s the receivers who are getting off to slow starts?

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            • Greg

              No, try reading the 3 examples I posted above again….if we are talking about the last game. Not too hard to understand, if so….replay the game. After you do it that, look at his passer rating for the year and compare to other QB’s to date.

              Everything is relative, not concerned. If you are…be concerned. Don’t let me interupt.

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              • I posted his passer ratings for the year, by quarter, so I have no idea what your point is here, other than you think it’s not Fromm’s fault.

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                • Greg

                  Not too hard to understand, unless you just don’t want to understand. Not concerned about his overall performance, again…everything is relative (full game). But if you want to nitpick about a quarter of football (which I feel you are), let’s take his lowest quarter, the 1st. I gave 3 examples for only 1 game, not 4.

                  Go back and just take those 3 examples:

                  1) One pass hit Hardman right in the hands in the EZ, he should have had it. Beautiful pass…
                  2) One of the passes that did hit him in the hands, the defender stripped the ball from him (Hardman) & it counted as an interception…he should have held on.
                  3) Another what should have been a completion & TD to Hardman, didn’t count. Fromm placed it perfectly where no one else had a chance. Probably could be questioned, but with a little better body control from #4..it would have counted as a TD.

                  Do the math and add in more completions, yards, TD’s and less interceptions. You do the math, I’m not…you can easily see that his rating goes up for that one quarter. I have not even gone into the other games, Again, the point is, he didn’t have much help last game (1st qtr). But my biggest point is, I am not worried at all as evidenced of his overall rating being what it is….up over 30 points from a year ago. Still not concerned if you do not even include the 3 points above.

                  The game does not stop after 1 quarter, look at the overall performance. We are undefeated, ranked #2, his rating to date for all 4 quarters is among the best in the country (improvement from year ago)…..I am not concerned at all. If you are, you are nitpicking….but if it makes you feel better, go ahead…..I can’t help you with that. I’m good with what he has done so far…just my POV……Kemosabe??

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                • Irwin R. Fletcher

                  Huzzah! Huzzah!

                  Not concerned about his overall performance, again…everything is relative (full game).

                  I think tweeting has somehow led a whole generation to assume that people should be able to translate complete gibberish.

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                • Irwin R. Fletcher

                  So it’s too early to say whether through 4 games there is a pattern through 4 games?

                  Clever.

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                • Not too hard to understand, unless you just don’t want to understand. Not concerned about his overall performance, again…everything is relative (full game). But if you want to nitpick about a quarter of football (which I feel you are), let’s take his lowest quarter, the 1st. I gave 3 examples for only 1 game, not 4.

                  My initial comment to which you responded was indeed about the entire season to date. It seems like what you’re insisting here is that your interpretation of events is the only relevant viewpoint. More power to you, but it’s irrelevant to the discussion.

                  I don’t have a problem with Jake Fromm, but you have to be blind not to see that through four games, there’s a pattern that his game picks up after the first quarter… and as the old saying goes, there are none so blind as those who will not see.

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                • Greg

                  Sure, I do…..but I also do not think he is gonna have a
                  347.71 rating (this year to date) for the second half at the end of the year . His first half this year is almost identical to last year’s….as far as ratings go. Too early to say if there is a pattern, if there is and it sticks….boy, I will take it.

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                • “Too early to say if there is a pattern”, sez the guy who cherry picked and spun three plays from one game to make his point.

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                • Greg

                  Point is, you can’t have it both ways….you want to point out the 1st qtr. stats, I brought up how high it is in the 4th qtr. to date. More about you wanting to be right…I know you are stubborn as hell, but damn man. This conversation has gone far too silly….Go ahead, you can have the last word if it makes you feel better….

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                • After reading this… you don’t have the first clue what my point is, do you?

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  14. Skeptic Dawg

    Yes, the offense looked discombobulated at times and out of sync for a portion of the game, but we have to keep in mind the injuries along the O-line. I believe that the new personnel and Fromm’s poor day led to a lot of the offensive dysfunction. I am beginning to believe that Fromm is not developing as quickly as we had hoped. The Senator mentioned Fromm going through his progressions on the toss to Holyfield, but that is the rarity and not the norm. Far too often we see our QB lock onto one side of the field and throw into double coverage. I do not know picking one side of the field is by design or on Fromm. And where is the passing game over the middle? Is every defense we play taking away the middle? All of this is not a knock on Fromm. I just don’t understand our strategy. Is it to limit mistakes over the middle, which is a lower percentage throw?

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    • Cojones

      The RPO with the team running right had Fomme stop and throw straight over the middle for the td. Where in hell were you?

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      • dawgtired

        I like that play. Also, remember the misdirection we ran with Moreno against UF some years back. The whole team starts one way and the back reverses field to take the hand off. With the backs and OL we have now, that play would be money. Of course what do I know. I’ve not been in the arena.

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        • Cojones

          Don’t forget that great tunnel screen down the center from a few years back. It was a beauty in downfield blocking by the WRs/TEs.

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  15. Whiskeydawg

    I think, “while the bodies all got off the bus, clearly some players’ heads never did” sums it up perfectly. The focus was lacking and hopefully going forward the team learned from the experience.

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  16. Bulldog Joe

    We ran a jet sweep in the third quarter which Hardman quickly turned upfield for about a five-yard gain.

    Also, spelling Okwuegbunam correctly is worthy of a triple word score.

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  17. sectionzalum

    i cringed when we brought in 8 O linemen for a 3rd and short AND…. lost a yard.

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    • The Truth

      Right. Especially in light of Kirby’s “impose our will” philosophy. That is the inverse of imposing our will.

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      • Cojones

        Their D line wrapped around both ends on several occasions and got to the runner in the backfield and it happened to 3 separate runners (including Holyfield) if I remember correctly.

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        • Irwin R. Fletcher

          Easier to do that when you put in your worst blocking TE (Woerner) to cover the edge and your lightest RB in the backfield. It was asinine.

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    • stoopnagle

      … had Herrien in at TB. That seemed like more of a Holyfield situation to me.

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    • Greg

      “Hit’em where they ain’t”…..been awesome if we lined up in run formation & have Fromm raise up hit a receiver in the EZ. Maybe a naked bootleg with option to pass. Or a play like this:

      But I have come accustomed to the “imposing your will” stuff. SOMEBODY needs to get just a little creative

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    • Minnesota Dawg

      If I never see that alignment again, I will be happy. We could have had 15 lineman out there, and that play still would have failed. Run it up the middle, behind our smallest OL (Gaillard), who got completely blown back on the play.

      I don’t care who you are, but against a Power 5 team early in the game, you can’t just decide to “impose your will” against a stacked box. This play (and a couple more) was 2016 all over again.

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  18. Dawgy1

    Yep, biggest disappointment was 2 times we needed 1 yard, and with arguably one of the best Olines in college football and 2 or 3 5-Star running backs we get stuffed.

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  19. Bulldog Joe

    Can’t put too much on Rodrigo as Missouri’s goal posts looked something like this.

    He wears the specs for a reason.

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  20. Athens Dog

    If the goal is to take what the defense gives you, why did we even try to run? Seems we could have scored 70 by just passing…….like Purdue did.

    Why did we have Herrien running up the middle on third and fourth down

    The defensive line still looks soft.

    Oh what was that? We won by two touchdowns with a C- effort.

    Nevermind……………….

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  21. Gurkha Dawg

    Agree about Stokes. Dude’s a player. Wasn’t he a 3 star? Just goes to show, you never who’s going to develop into a starter.

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  22. Damn Good Dawg

    I think a lot of the defensive struggles were due to a) scheme: deying the future NFL quarterback deep balls. And b) there were a lot of times when the offense didn’t do the defense any favors. There were – more than normal – a lot of series where the defense didn’t get a lot of rest between. Turnover, 3 and outs and big plays. Those boys looked tired in my opinion.

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  23. Will Trane

    i agree with what the coach said about the O-line play and the D-line play.
    When you put in 8 offensive linemen in to get one yard and you get stuffed, well, a few things are happening. You are not coming off the ball quick and hard enough, and you did not get on your man and clear a gap and push.
    They got stuffed because of the poor blocking at the end of the line. Blocked to the outside but let a defender come thru and get to the back. That should not have happened. One the distance the defender has to come, and second the interor line never got off and pushed.
    Plus where did this mindset of Pittman and Chaney come from that size or weight will get you there in short yardage situation.
    Best short yardage play call was by Pruitt on fourth and short. They flip the ball out to a TE streaking down the sideline. Too bad the dude allows himself to dive and get stripped of the ball. All he needed to do was stay and or go down. But maintain the field position on the goal line. 4 plays to get it in.
    But looking at Saturday, most will agree the D line and O line in the deep red zone got stuffed too much.
    That will not bode well from here out considering that two O line starters are injured and will miss games now in the East stretch of games

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    • Minnesota Dawg

      Gaillard got completely blown-up on that play, too. It was a total failure in every respect.

      Predictability is not your friend in those situations….while the potential for big plays (especially with our skill, speed, and talent on the perimeters) seems boundless with just a touch of imagination.

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    • Just Chuck (The Other One)

      And now that we’ve got a lot of straight ahead blocking in short yardage situations on tape for other teams to see, chances of something like that toss to a TE working for us is even greater..

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    • Irwin R. Fletcher

      Woerner was in on that play. Made no sense that you go HEAVY and have 89 in the game, who is the worst blocker in the TE group.

      Probably trying to ‘set up’ a pass to him out of that formation later in the year.

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  24. Will Trane

    Defensive player of the week will hands down be Josh Allen of Kentucky.
    UK can play defense, and more people are taking note of it.

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  25. Will Trane

    Time for Jake Fromm to get in the game at the beginning.
    Now has a bad habit of starting slow in all phases.
    That lies with Chaney and Smart.
    Perhaps start Fields and lets see if he can a little flame in his approach.
    Perhaps Fields found out running the football in D1 is different than high school. If that gap is there take it, can not wait for a huge gap or crease, sometimes you have to use you skills to get in…size, speed, and strength.
    Lot is said about speed re this team, but where is it re QBs and the lines.

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  26. siskey

    Does anyone have 4 tickets for Tennessee for sale?

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  27. IMO it’s very simple: we won an SEC road game by 2 TD’s, yet people are acting as if we are going back to the CMR dark days anytime now.

    The fact that people are complaining about winning by 2 TD’s on the road over an opponent many considered a trap game and/or someone we might lose to in the preseason says we’ve quickly gotten spoiled as a fan base. Also don’t forget quite a few players were sick or just getting over the bug. Reed barely practiced all week and RLIII also wasnt exactly feeling normal.

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    • Otto

      I would not say spoiled. IMO expectations are moving to where they should been all along rather thankful for a W no matter how crappy the team played.

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    • Cojones

      First I’ve heard of players being sick. A count would be appreciated, but if it was just an off-handed statement, I understand.

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  28. Xon Hostetter

    On the fumble-strip-and-score by Mr. O their tight end at the beginning of the game, Mizzou fans are acting like it was some kind of obvious “blow the whistle” situtation. But there was at most 1.5s from first impact (by a tackler who is significantly outweighed by Mr. O) to the ball being stripped. Basically, he got met by the first defender, he kept struggling, a second defender showed up quickly, and the ball came out at about the exact same moment that Mr. O was being pushed backwards. Prior to that moment, I agree with the esteemed Senator, the receiver could have fought loose and gotten more yards at any moment.

    Also, I think he was bobbling the ball when Baker made first contact. I suspect the refs could see that clearly but we at home could not. We at home could not because ESPN decided to bring 2 cameras to the game and got a third angle by commissioning a Missouri fan sitting about 1/3 of the way up on the 50. But when you see Baker first pop Mr. O, it looks to me like the ball comes loose, and then it looks like while they struggle for a second the ball might kind of be trapped between Mr. O’s hand and Baker’s shoulder pad/upper jersey. It’s hard to make out exactly because, again, what the hell ESPN, but that’s my hypothesis.

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  29. Uglydawg.

    If the refs missed blowing the whistle on a “forward progress stopped” play it would be one of Mizzo’s late touchdowns. The runner was stopped, pushed back and then got around the tacklers to squirm it in. Not noticed or mentioned by announcers and I wouldn’t have noticed it or commented on it had they not obsessed about Georgia’s fumble-strip and score play.

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  30. Aren’t we pretty much where we expected to be at this point? We lost a heck of a lot of experience and leadership. Had we not steamrolled USC in their house, I doubt we would be as surprised at the faults that showed on Saturday. Bama is living rent free in our heads IMHO.

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  31. AusDawg85

    Theory re: Fromm: I think he’s nearly as motivated and educated as Aaron Murray. Has sought and loves the “team general” role. Some of the mistakes and problems in the first half almost seemed like Jake was directing the action and NOT listening to his coaches. I know that Zier on the radio broadcast noted that Kirby was unhappy with Jake for ignoring a “check with me” on one of the critical plays. So he may still have some minor adjusting to learn/accept in controlling the team and the flow of the game with his coaching staff. Good problem to have, really.

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    • Cojones

      His first out pass to the right floated long enough for any good athlete to have intercepted. It seemed to take forever for the ball to get there as it was thrown high with no zip.

      Many of us are characterizing Fromme plays because we have seen and expect better from him; we aren’t shooting at him as to his ability. He was definitely off early in the game Sat.

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  32. Russ

    This game reminds me of the South Carolina game last year. 14 point SEC win that should have been worse, and was unsatisfying as a result. Good problem to have, really.

    We have things to work on. I’m sure Kirby’s on the mutha’.

    My only real concern is with the injuries. We were very lucky in that regard last year, and it seems like we’re starting to pay it back this year.

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  33. Biggen

    We have all more or less hit the nail on the head. We can probably get away with not playing our “A Game” and still win until we get to Atlanta. But it sure would be nice to NOT to that…

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  34. Davin

    I remember the days when injuries to two starting o-linemen would be devastating to the Dawgs. While still not good to see Cleveland out for a bit and Thomas ailing, I feel like we’ve got at minimum competent back-up. Good times.

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  35. Soccer Dawg

    I just want to say I thoroughly enjoyed my trip to CoMo. The fans were very friendly, approached our red clad group and made us feel at home. I had a nice seat with a seat back that I didn’t pay extra for. The sound system was good. Gripes: The food service was slow, the cellular service sucked.

    Visited a couple of CoMo bars before and after and the drinks were cheap and the waitresses pretty.

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    • I enjoyed my time there, too. The fans were nice. One even volunteered that we “kicked their ass,” which of course, wasn’t true.

      Cafe Berlin for breakfast, Booche’s for lunch and Glenn’s for dinner.

      Cell service sucked all over CoMo, not just the stadium.

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    • ilini84

      A couple of yearsI was on a fishing boat with a bunch of guys from Mizzou and they had the same experience here. They really liked Athens and they were treated well.

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  36. PTC DAWG

    Had the Dawgs and 13.5 at the Bellagio…they earned The Bride and I a nice dinner…

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  37. fuelk2

    Sadly, the biggest takeaway from this game for me is that our recent success has left me unable to enjoy a 2 TD SEC road win when I feel like we could have or should have won by 20+. Man, times have changed.

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  38. Codie Alan

    “The ILBs were inconsistent, too” That’s being extremely generous

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  39. Codie Alan

    “Holyfield never finishes a run without lowering his shoulder. Beast, baby.” if he wants a short playing career then he’s on the right path. If he wants to extend his playing career he needs to jump over those low tackles instead of trying to show how tough he is.

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  40. Andrew Bearden

    Was at the game with my 5 year old twins and long-time Dawg buddy. Couple of things. Mizzou fans are as nice as advertised, but an ignorant lot when it comes to the foosball. Lurch next to us said it should be their touchdown on the Holliman play. Rod not at fault on the miss due to bad snap and wind was pretty stiff out of the north held ball up for those kickoffs. Wind affected Camarda in first half as well. Drew Lock is having nightmares about 15! Missed 3 after his INT…may have had the bug like some others. Stuff to clean up, but 14 road conference win against team that is 9-2 in last 11 will work…we lose that kind of weird games in years past.

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    • Macallanlover

      Wind is a factor in several games, JAX is often windy. Can’t expect Hot Rod to bury them all, although he has been a machine. Point is, the coverage team has been caught loafing a little, complacent seems to be the adjective of the week.

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  41. DawgByte

    “One thing I didn’t expect was to see the cornerbacks outplay the safeties. Reed and LeCounte took me back to the last year of Grantham’s defense. Both were frequently out of position and LeCounte’s tackling, in particular, was abominable all day. Watch the way he olé-d his way through the Lock touchdown run. I know folks are bummed out about the defensive line’s run play, but this, to me, is the biggest thing Kirby has to clean up.”

    I’m going to be more blunt. LeCounte had a horrible day, showing why Kirby got on his ass for as long as he did. He gave up two 3rd down conversions with wimpy tackling. Tackling overall was piss poor. We missed Monty out there, because Juwan Taylor is not exactly a tackling machine.

    We’ve got a ways to go before we get to Bama level.

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  42. CB

    I’m hopeful that one or more of these highly touted defensive prospects really develops into a force before the end of the season. Cox seems like the most logical option, but with Tindall, Quay Walker, Adam Anderson, Robert Beal etc maybe by sheer force of numbers somebody will emerge from the ashes of the Wolf Pack.

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