When stats confirm what your eyes were seeing

If you thought LSU flummoxed Georgia’s defense with pace, here’s a pretty stark confirmation:

Per this unofficial accounting from Cody Worsham, LSU racked up 207 yards on 20 tempo plays: 11 runs for 119 yards, plus 6-of-9 completions for 88 yards from Burrow.

That’s on the coaches, my friends.  They simply weren’t prepared to set the defense in a timely manner when LSU went hurry-up.  Maybe some of that was a change in the Tigers’ strategy, but it shouldn’t take Smart and Tucker that much time to adjust.  Instead, we saw a confused defense that took us back to the fun times of 2013.

This is something that needs to be addressed in the next two weeks, because I’ve got the feeling Dan Mullen is taking notes.

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80 responses to “When stats confirm what your eyes were seeing

  1. Bill glennon

    “Beyond Crompton” and “Goose Godsey is loose” in the same game.

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  2. 86BONE

    Shit Marie

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  3. Hopefully someone is still around to point out how Grantham’s teams had trouble with tempo.

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    • 1smartdude

      What’s more concerning, is Kirby had problems with tempo. Look at the losses at Alabama. Basically, Auburn and Mississippi. Both tempo teams. It wasn’t a secret with Alabama fans or with Saban.

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  4. Greg

    thinks the staff is as out of sync as the team, WAY too much crazy shit (decisions-coaches). Not saying we would have won with some competency, saying we would have had a chance. Too many toys, hope the coaching staff has grown from this…..they need to give the players a chance. May have been the worst game as a dawg I have ever seen (coaching). They need to take some of the blame, most of what I read is on the players, all BS.

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    • Bulldog Joe

      Get the lines healthy and the coaching ‘decisions’ will improve. 😉

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      • Greg

        ^^^ Kirby Smart 😏

        1) Fake FG attempt with a fellow that probably can’t run a 10.0/40
        2) 2 point conversion attempt made no sense – coaching.
        3) No challenge on the 3rd down play where they advanced the ball another yard. Eventually kept the drive alive when they made a 4th and inches – coaching.
        4) Forget how many runs were made (4-5) to advance the ball to around their 10. What do we do, pass 3 straight times with no completions. Love Smart’s answer, they adjusted. Wish there was a follow-up on whoever was questioning this….like, why not run it until they stop it – coaching.
        5) Holyfield pretty much disappears in the second half. Dude was running like a man possessed – coaching.
        6) Rotating WR in and out of the game too often imo. Hard for QB to get into any kind of rhythm….some bad routes run (reportedly) – coaching.
        7) Bringing Fields in for only 1 play then taking him out. No problem with bringing him in, it’s just the timing of it and how long he stays….let him stay a while, give the team a chance or just don’t do it. It hurts the team more than helps imo. Hard for offense to get into any kind of sync – coaching.
        8) Not sure, but I believe we didn’t use a couple of time outs toward the end of the half – coaching.

        I’m sure I have missed some stuff, but all this crap takes alway from and kind of chance you have in winning or making a game of it. I hope I never see this kind of shit again….but I bet I do.

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        • Mayor

          Agree with everything you said, Greg. Add to that the failure to make adjustments.

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        • TXBaller

          two point conversion was needed – the play call was awful!

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          • Greg

            thought it was a mistake as soon as I saw them line up. It was 19-9 at that point. An extra point makes it 19-10 & only a FG & TD is all you need to win….still a lot of time in the game. After the failed attempt, now you now need a FG & TD just to tie (who wants a frigging tie. Last I looked, there is only a 50% success rate that a 2 point conversion works.

            After the failed attempt, you lose some momentum. Not to mention, you now need a FG and TD just to tie (not win). Again, another 2 point attempt has a 50% success rate. Not the right time to call it (3rd qtr), too risky imo. It was just another momentum swing….amongst the other decisions that were made. Horrible day for the staff……..

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            • Mark

              At 19-10 it’s a two possession game. At 19-11, with a TD and a 2-pt conversion, it’s a 1 possession game.

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              • Greg

                and my way, at 19-10 with another TD…it is also a one possession game, FG wins it. Nonetheless, it was still a 50% chance & momentum was lost….still too early in the game to got for 2. Momentum swung LSU’s way, another nail. Your way or Kirby’s, you still got to go for 2 again to just to tie…another 50% chance. Then you still got to score again to win. Poor choice imo, whether you agree or not….I still listed 7 reasons why I feel it was a colossal fock up on the coaching staffs part….that’s on Kirby.

                Honestly, not hard to argue any of it, if you really want to. But from my seat, the staff didn’t give the players a fair chance. A complete shit show IMHO…hope I have seen the last of it.

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            • Napoleon BonerFart

              Your analysis assumes that UGA’s offense suddenly finds some kind of competency in order to score twice in just over a quarter. Based on the game I was watching at that time, that was wishful thinking.

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              • Greg

                You’re right, no way in hell did I think the coaching staff would continually step on their dicks with the crazy azz decisions/non decisions they were making. It was like their minds were not engaged most of the game. Got to give the players a chance….

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        • Uglydawg

          First time I’ve seen mention of #3. That pissed me off and the refs spotted them yardage twice in a row. SEC refs suck.
          As for #1, Kirby called Fishfry to ask for help explaining it after the game. It’s all on Rodrigo for not lowering his massive shoulders, turning on the jets and powering his way into the endzone like Holyfield would have done.

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          • Uglydawg

            BTW…great breakdown of the breakdown, Greg!

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            • Macallanlover

              Except for being wrong on the decision to go for 2. Definitely the right decision, even 1st year coaches have that book, Down 16, you need two 8 point scores, shortest way to get back in the game.

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          • Greg

            yep….it’s not like they can’t see a replay. Their minds were out to lunch….huge momentum swing.

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          • BowlDawg14

            One “tweek” they could make to that play if you watch the replay…. the position and angles of the 3 defenders in range of the play…If Charlie Woerner does a block-and-release…Hot Rod could have just floated one over the defender for a easy TD….just a thought. So if Hot Rod is clear, run…if not, TE release is there for a quick pass.

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            • Bulldog Joe

              Three rushers were lined up outside Woerner before the snap.

              The play was doomed from the start. A timeout needed to be called.

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        • Ryan Garnto

          Ever consider that it was designed that way? You think they give coaches that kind of $$$ and they dont obey orders? SEC which stands for we print our own money and we dont care about wins. Follow the money. Vegas on up.

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    • Bill Glennon

      Worst game as a Dawg? Check out Vandy 94 and Auburn 99 on Youtube.

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      • The Nelson Puppet

        JESUS! I went to both of those games, Auburn 1999 was the worst coaching I have ever seen. The players threw the 1994 Vanderbilt game, no coaching could have saved that one.

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      • Greg

        The players did not show up that game, quit….just saying that this past Saturday, coaching decisions and non had a big part in the loss….saying worst coached game. Vandy (homecoming) was flat out embarrassing.

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    • Mayor

      Agree. The loss to LSU was on the coaches. The players weren’t prepared and there were numerous in game coaching screwups including failure to make adjustments. That’s coaching malpractice.

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    • Anonymous

      I don’t know why, but Kirby abandoned our offensive MO before the game started. Since he has taken over, the plan has always been to pound the rock and wear out the defense. The team would always play the long game. For some reason, Kirby did not think that would work against LSU on Saturday. I first got the feeling that was happening with the fake field goal. When we next came out passing 3 times in a 3 and out, I really got the message that Kirby thought we would have to be uncharacteristically aggressive to win. Instead, LSU was able to run 45 offensive plays in the first half.

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    • TomReagan

      “May have been the worst game as a dawg I have ever seen (coaching).”

      Strong words, my friend. That’s a helluva high bar to clear.

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  5. gastr1

    Having two weeks to get healthy, fester in this loss, and make adjustments should be just what the Dr. ordered, IMO.

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    • Hopefully, but how do we fix the D-Line this year? It has been our sore spot for recruiting for 3 years now, might be players as well as coaching . Is help on the way with the next recruiting class?

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      • Bulldog Joe

        Get Marshall, DaQuan, and Wyatt in playing shape for Florida.

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        • dawgfan

          You’re right and the LSU staff knew that we couldn’t substitute as freely with subs and to their credit took advantage. I’m pretty sure it was the big true freshman the refs caught trying to get off the field. Getting Marshall and Wyatt back would be huge for the Florida game.

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    • Mayor

      Can we hire a new OC during the 2 weeks?

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      • Greg

        Honestly, I believe Smart has his finger on him…believe that some of the identity/inconsistency is as much on the HC as the OC. But WTFDIK.

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  6. Dan

    Running the damn ball would be a great start IMO.

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    • Macallanlover

      A finder isn’t enough to hold Big Jim back. Some is Kirby’s conservative nature but the use of personnel and lack of mix is on Chaney.

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  7. Jack Burton

    Agree. But also will always know that some of that is because our D was gassed, even in the first half, due to being on the field the whole damn game because we refused to run the ball save for 2 drives. That’s also on Kirby. We needed to run just to give the D some rest for gods sake.

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  8. The complete inability to adjust to tempo was frustrating to watch. LSU wouldn’t substitute but we would be sending players in. It was dumb and that’s on the coaches.

    The failure to sign Derrick Brown among others is the one open deficiency of this staff. Hopefully, that’s getting rectified.

    I don’t know what it is about Cox, but he has been solid in pass rush. His run support has been consistently lacking.

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  9. Ellis

    Perhaps sticking to running the ball with the success we were having would have kept the defense off the field. When you are averaging 7 yards per carry, run the damn ball until they force you to throw it.

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  10. Derek

    Defense wasn’t the problem Saturday.

    The problem was a dumb fake FG attempt. They got confidence. We pressed and panicked and never really recovered.

    There is something to be said for relying on the fact that you have much better football players. No trickery was needed.

    I hope that is the lesson the coaches learn.

    This is a team that should be able to score 40+ on any defense not in the Top 3 nationally. Would have been plenty to get a W.

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    • David K

      I agree. That was not on the defense at all. End of the 3rd quarter is was 19-9. We had bent and given up some big plays but held them to 4 FG’s. Fromm and the offense were terrible. At some point we were bound to wear down.

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    • Great description on what the fake FG call did to both teams. Very dumb.

      For some reason it made me think of Goff punting on 3rd down against Auburn in 95.

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      • Derek

        When? I don’t believe that happened. I recall Vince being annoyed that we didn’t have the wind in the 4th when we could have. Other than that it was a valiant effort.

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        • Damn, man, you are on it. Now I have to spend some time on this. Could have sworn that happened and it was in 2nd half. I was very drunk but even remember talking to my buddy about it the next day when sober.

          Very well could be wrong.

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          • Derek

            That’s one of those myths that get told about bad coaches. Heard it about Johnny Griffith, but again, I don’t think it actually ever happened.

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            • Yea man I could be wrong.
              I actually liked Goff. DGD but just couldn’t make it happen.

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            • Uglydawg

              Bobby Dodd won a few games by quick kicking on third down..it’s a good way to get out of a hole. But I realize that’s a lot different than lining up and telling the whole world you’re punting.
              And, you’ve got to have a QB with a halfway decent leg.

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              • Russ

                Yeah, in the olden days (when the QB was also likely the punter), a quick kick on 3rd down could really flip the field and that could make the difference in a defensive struggle.

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          • It’s not on that tape but the tape does skip ahead some in 3rd and 4th q.
            My memory is we were backed up kind of near our goal and it was 3rd and very long and punted to surprise them.
            Anyone else remember that or did I somehow imagine it?

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  11. Argondawg

    The crazy thing this year is that the stats have felt like a lie. The eye test was telling us that this team was pretty sloppy and only got into rhythm here and there. We could all see them struggle but we would look at the score and the box score at the end of the game and move along. Every game has felt like a missed opportunity to put the pedal down and go but we just can’t seem to click. We haven’t looked like a top 5 team all year to me. I am not sure this is a top 10 team. I think Kirby knows that also.

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    • Tronan

      Hear, hear. Prior to Saturday, I didn’t think we were a worthy #2. Not that anyone else was, either. It’s Nick Saban’s world and we’re just living in it.

      In any case, I don’t think we “needed” this loss, but it has made painfully obvious the shortcomings that have concerned a lot of us all season long. I’m very curious to see how the team and staff react in J’ville on 10/27.

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    • Russ

      Yeah, the problem was whenever you dared to bring that up, you were immediately shouted down like an idiot. “We won by 2 TDs. Quit whining like a snowflake.”

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      • Macallanlover

        We were winning by a minimum of 2 TDs, but that still didn’t make us the 2nd best team in CFB. Certainly not at that point, and I didn’t hear much outcry when I said that.

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  12. David K

    We miss Javon Wims A LOT more than expected. How many 3rd downs last year did Fromm throw a jump ball on 3rd down to Wims down the left side that he went and grabbed.

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  13. Justin

    Pace shouldn’t have been a surprise. First drive of the UF game, LSU went right down the field no-huddle. Feels like this game plan was on a platter and Kirby just fell flat on his face. I’m flabbergasted.

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  14. PTC DAWG

    4D Chess…just giving LSU a chance. 🙂

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  15. Bigshot

    This is a mystery. When UGA played AU in Athens the coaching staff was able to slow the Tigers down????

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  16. 69Dawg

    Kirby and Tucker are so used to changing defensive players on down and distance they didn’t even wait to see if LSU had substituted. They need to adapt to the HUNH because given this LSU game film UF and UK will be using it early and often. As an aside the Genius has not figured this out and still substitutes on every play by sending in the play via a back.

    As for the offense UF has some mad edge rushers so Fromm better not go to sleep back there. I love Fromm but if I was coaching the UF game I would go RPO with Fields. This would seem to be a no brainier and give the us the best O. We’ll see how the coaching goes in this game.

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  17. Ok. This uproar over the fake field goal is too much. No it didn’t work, and it probably was not a great idea with 9 yards to go, but it wasn’t the worst call in the history of UGA football. Film showed the coaches that it was there for the taking but LSU made a play instead. Had we got it, we are up 7-3. Miss it and the worst is you are down 3-0 and you have them pinned deep. Oh well. I don’t buy all this horsecrap about momentum shift, yada, yada. It was way too early in the game. Also, I remember a certain coach, who we run off, that rarely took chances and settled for 3 points way too often. Remember him? Mr. Predictable? I like that Kirby throws a curve now and again. It keeps the opponent guessing and makes them waste time prepping during the week at practice. We lost this game because of bad execution on the D-line, secondary, O-line, and at QB. Also the coaches stunk it up with a bad game plan and no in-game adjustments. We did not lose due to a botched fake field goal no more than we would have Rodrigo came out and shanked it or had it blocked or had the holder dropped the damn ball.

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    • Uglydawg

      see ant123 ‘s post (a couple below yours @ 1;35.)
      His last sentence is truth.
      It may not have mattered as much in most places, but in Baton Rouge with their Tigers playing #2, it mattered a heap.
      You don’t surrender momentum to those folks…you don’t chance it unless it is late in the game and necessary.

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      • The Truth

        I get your point, Ugly. But I think what Dude and others of us are arguing is that momentum was probably on our side after the Mecole punt return — way after the failure of the fake field goal. We pounded the ball down the field with Holyfield after the fake. Not running, not giving Fields a chance to be a real QB, not stopping the run — those were all much bigger factors than the fake.

        My point in another thread is that I thought the fake might have signaled overconfidence on Kirby’s part, i.e. it might not work, but we can beat them anyway.

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  18. S

    Taking notes? Dan Mullen has already taken notes and is implementing them in practice today.

    I am hoping that our OL can get healed up some and that we can grind them into submission!

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  19. I saw five real problems. First the defensive line does not have the talent (especially at DT) to compete at an Elite level. If you check our recruiting at that position you will see what I mean. Now we have some ends that are very talented but very young. Which leads to our second real problem. Playing lesser talented opponents our talented but very young players on defense could get buy. They were exposed this last game resulting in big plays and not even being ready on many plays. Third our highly talented offensive line did not consistently perform like it. They should have been dominate. Fourthly our QB was sporadic at critical times missing key opportunities. Lastly, whether or not the fake field goal was well schemed or not I won’t say. But watching the game it felt like something a lesser opponent would attempt when they were over matched. Not the signal a coach wants to send to a young team in that type environment. Take the tie game and go play defense with the momentum. It seemed as if the wind left the sails at that point.

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  20. UGA '97

    Not buying it. South Carolina ran hurry up and we stopped it with ease. Kirby & Mel faced it plenty while at Bama and vs Auburn these last few years, so this is no excuse. Our Defense faces hurry up via Fromm in practice all the time. Something else more amiss here. Start with Cheney not giving Holyfield the ball for almost 2 full Quarters. Not to mention 4 turnovers by non-RBs. How many of our RBs turned the ball over to the opponents this year?
    Sometimes just running the ball, playing tough defense and just plain vanilla special teams wins ball games vs coaches like Orgeron. We out thunk our own formula for success and couldnt recover. The Physicality was there- and still is, hope we can find it and use it again.
    Composure was there by the players- 4 penalties for 20 yards including 1 substitution penalty. CKS & staff might want to try to find their own sideline composure and practice that in the bye week. How about working on imposing your will on Cheney’s decision to abandon Holyfield so long. Maybe Holyfield knows a thing or two about how to deal with getting punched in the face. Beat Florida.

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  21. Greg

    on a positive note….Looks like Jordan Davis had 1 solo and 6 assist for a total of 7. His best game so far this year, also the best amongst the down lineman last Saturday. He may be a keeper.

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  22. W Cobb Dawg

    Considering the above post and the ‘observations from lower earth orbit’ I think you’re being kind of harsh on the D, Brother Bluto. I thought the D played well for most of the game. They got no help whatsoever from the O or STs (or the officials with ball placement).

    The offense was fricken abysmal, from playcalling, to personnel decisions, to execution. Not using Holyfield and Swift more often is a crime. I blame Chaney for the loss, just as he singlehandedly lost the Vandy game in ’16.

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  23. Will Trane

    The Defense was short some players with injuries.
    LSU knew there were interior d-linemen out.
    That is why they went up tempo to stop any substitution if available.
    They did it against UF who is getting their players back. For UF Grantham had a plan and the players who executed the defense. See # 11.
    The defense was too inconsistent during the game.
    Which come\s to this.
    The offense has way more depth.
    Kick FG. Tie game, Keep pace, but reduce number of plays, burn clock, and shorten the game due to defense injuires.
    RBs. Good inside, but none has burning lateral speed to the corners. Perhaps Swift but he is banged up.
    Run game has got to get better, and get out of all these 3 and long.
    Huge issue for the QBs.
    Perhaps pass more on 1st or 2nd.
    Go with 2 TEs, 2 RBs, and 1 WR. Pound the the run lanes. Who ever gets hot carrying ride him for awhile but sub with smarts.
    Stop all the WR rotation. Ridley and Godwin.
    Put both Fromm and Fields in the back field at same time at the beginning of opening series. Make UF burn timeouts on defense.
    Most of all speed up play, not meaning up tempo, but get of the line much quicker. Allowing defense to get ahead on snap.
    Think not go back and watch LSU on the edge. Watch how quick 45 was getting in, almost as if offsides.
    Have one of the best kickers in D1 with a frosh holder / punter, and you attempt a fake.
    yeah go ahead and injury him at the beginning of a game.
    Based on that i expect black helmets in JAX.

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