Just ask Hubert Owens’ crew.
Heckuva job there, Shawsie.
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SEC officials’ refusal, it’s beyond the point of calling it missing the calls, to call holding has become almost comical. Short of an offensive lineman tackling a pass rusher by the facemask, offensive linemen can do whatever they like when it comes to stopping a pass rusher. I realize the tv execs and the conference execs want scoring in games to keep the tvs turned on, but this is becoming absurd.
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Holding does still exist but PWG is also still alive and well so those penalties are offsetting. If you really want to see a farce, combine PWG with PWB in a close game.
If the game is close or Bama is behind at halftime on December 1, press record on your DVR for evidence and submit to one Mr. James Carville.
For the record, should UGA find themselves in a game with Alabama close enough that officiating would matter I will be pleasantly surprised.
Did you see the championship game earlier this year? I know it wasn’t an sec crew but that game was taken from UGA by shit calls and no calls.
I think I misread your post, sorry about that. I agree with you completely.
I think it was taken because the Georgia corner let a receiver run past him and the safety did not roll over to cover that receiver on second and 26 so the receiver was wide open for an easy touchdown. I don’t recall any actions by the officials that caused that.
Do you really think the game would have ended up in overtime without the calls (or non-calls) in regulation? I don’t and I don’t think anyone in the Dawg Nation thinks so either.
I think if Fromm doesn’t throw the int on the play after we pick Tua, Georgia wins but I don’t blame that play for the loss. The offsides was a bad call but I don’t buy into the myth of the preordained score theory. Who’s to say we don’t fumble on the next play? Sony going out in the second half was a bigger reason for the loss than any call or non call. Once we only had Chubb our run game essentially shut down. If we have Sony for the whole game I think we pick up another first down or two in the second half and we win. That said, I don’t blame Chubb or Sony for the loss either.
Blaming officials for a loss smacks of gamecock fandom and I don’t want any part of that. We had every opportunity to win the game and we didn’t.
All I’m saying is you look at a number of calls that were game changing (Tyler Simmons/Bama false start, the Swift decapitation face mask, the pile driving of Fromm’s head into the turf in front of an official, the tackling of R on Tua’s 3rd down scramble, the missed false start on the 4th down TD conversion).
Sure, there were plays missed after that (the crap luck interception after Baker’s pick, Sony’s injury, and, of course, 2nd and 26). You play the hand you’re dealt, but the game was turned by the officiating.
You play the hand you’re dealt, but it takes a special kind of “luck” to get dealt a hand that shitty.
It was the Herschel curse 😉
Blame Kirby for “not” using his time out to set the defense after Tua Toyota was sacked.
Precisely! The personal foul on Fromm that wasn’t called. The face masking on Swift that wasn’t called and the phantom off sides were all critical mistakes by the refs that had a significant impact on the outcome of the game.
I believe Bama scored their first points on the drive after the Swift face mask. We get an automatic first down instead of punting there. Who knows what happens, but that blatant missed call changed the game.
Well, if Bama had a kicker, we would have lost in regulation.
That’s a personnel problem and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. It’s Nick’s problem that he hasn’t had a reliable placekicker. Very different question of whether bad officiating (slanted against one side) affected the outcome.
That play would never had happened if the Refs had called the game correctly. Georgia would have won by 17 in regulation.
For the record, and those who believe in conspiracy theories, the SEC has more upside with a UGA win on December 1. It is the only possible way the conference gets 2 playoff spots and another pickup full of cash. So let’s hope it is close for multiple reasons (actually I prefer a UGA blowout but just wanted to keep it real.)
I get irritated when someone says, “well, they could call holding on every play”. Well then CALL it every play and maybe players would do it less. I don’t even get upset anymore when there aren’t any holding calls going our way. I’ve just come to accept it. Which is sad.
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The problem is if they called it every time by the letter of the rule, and linemen quit doing it, there would be a big pile of broken quarterbacks on the sidelines.
Yeah because God forbid O-linemen work on their technique and actually block better the say they are supposed to block.
This is an interesting read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holding_(American_football)
Maybe that would change strategy where teams don’t throw 60x per game. The rules are so tilted toward a passing offense now that it’s a joke.
Anybody who played football as a kid in the early 90s knows you were taught to block with your forearms with fists clenched……..chicken wings as it were. Then it became hands are OK on the chest plate. Now it’s only a hold if the defender beats you and you grab his jersey outside of his core. Those companies that made the lineman forearm pads we all had have had their revenue decimated by modern football rules.
Yep. Coach Butch made us grab our own jerseys. Can you imagine What that would look like at the College level?
If nobody’s calling it, doesn’t that mean we can get away with it too? (Hardman’s obvious penalty aside)
Pretty much everyone gets away with it. People just like to pretend it’s only the opponent and hence a conspiracy versus straight-up ignoring a rule by officials who are at best average at what they do.
Officiating as a product quality issue always catches the attention of league offices when it rises above a murmur. Always. But conspiracy rants are ignored.
They’re saving the call for us when we go up on Bama in the championship game with 5 seconds left to play.
Most of the flagrant holding is on running plays, especially edge plays. Kentucky had the arm-bar takedown block mastered.
And I have no problem with that, as long as it is called evenly. Holding in the middle of the line, short of an absolute tackle, or “wrap around” on the arms to prevent making a tackle, is just impossible on the interior line spots. Let it go barring the situations I mentioned above, or face mask calls. But on the perimeter and down field, tugging on a jersey or arm should be called if it is near the ball and impacts the play. Tired of calls 30 yards away from the play being called unless it prevents a receiver running their route.
Get those “open field”, impactful holding calls right and I am happy with that issue. Impossible to ask for much more without asking for them to randomly interject 1-2 calls a game at the very worst time..
Bear in mind, Tua’s banged up and he needs the protection.
Here’s the real problem: Nobody calls holding until when in a close game the team the refs want to win is behind and needs a little “help.” Then when the favored team gets stopped on third and one at midfield out comes the hanky—first down offense! I wish they would just repeal the f*cking rule if they aren’t going to call it routinely. Having it on the books opens the door to mischief.
Sorry, said it backwards but you get my point. Selective enforcement.
I posted the wiki link to the rule above. After reading it it looks to me like an official can call or non call whenever they want. it’s not so much arbitrary as all encompassing, and how it is enforced is arbitrary Offense cannot close hands, defense can use arms and hands to ward off. blah blah.
The kicker? The official can choose not to call unless they see the entire action.
I’d have to go find it, but there was one play on Saturday that was egregious. Think it was a QB keeper to the outside where our DL was grabbed around the neck & dragged to the ground. It gave them a big first down in our territory. How do u not call that?!
That’s a grab not a hold. Joking aside, they usually let some grabbing and arm barring go if it’s momentary, not sustained, and does not significantly disrupt the defender. Photo above may be an example where the tackle is being made by both defenders and the arm bar and grab could be only occurring after the tackle has been initiated.
Also, most refs have 20 – 200 vision.
I’m seeing way more “hugs” this year by offensive linemen. If a DL tries to spin out, they just wrap an arm around his neck. Pretty much every league.
Just when I gotten comfortable with the “we’ll call it if the arms get outside the pads but only if it’s play side” standard, too.
Honestly, I am more worried about how guys are being prepped for post-season play, when these teams step away from SEC officials. Example: In 2 games at LSU, SEC officials have called 15 total penalties – 4 for 20 on Georgia, 5 for 34 on LSU, 6 for 60 on Alabama. Can they adjust if and when they get another conference crew with a tighter whistle? How far outside the norm of college officiating do Shaw’s guys operate? That’s my question.
Despite this, they still made the play.
It’s not just the refs blowing obvious calls (FWIW, Kentucky was holding all game long), it’s also a rules problem. When I played back in the early and mid – 70’s you had to keep your hands inside your chest. You essentially blocked with your elbows bowed out. It’s a lot harder to hold and a lot easier to see. When they moved away from that technique to an open hands extended arms technique, holding became rampant.
Yep. I’m not saying to go back to requiring old-style blocking, but I do think calling it when hands get outside the torso is appropriate (or when you see jerseys practically pulled off).
Their is holding in SEC football!! I’m shocked, shocked I say. Whomever said that this was a produce of the quest for more offense in the game hit the nail on the head. They now have to officials in the back field with the QB and they still depend on the Umpire to call holding. It used to be if you tackled the DLman in front of the Ref he might call it but now I’m not so sure.
My other beef is offensive pass interference not being call when one WR runs into a DB to “rub him off another WR.” Hell the routes are run all the time now especial on the RPO plays. Poor old Nauta just doesn’t know his own strength when he pushed the DB to the ground. We see more soccer flopping if the DB find out they can get the call that way. In short most college refs are badly trained and poorly supervised with little or no consequences for their calls unless they screw up on TV replay make the league embarrassed.
Reminder, from new rules refs have to watch for cut blocks, illegal down field blocking plus bs targeting, so maybe they are a little more distracted than before, and theres always Floridas knee pants LOL
A word about the “length of pant” call in the WLOCP. I get that having knee pads is a safety issue to some. In HS everybody had to wear them, backs and receivers included. Running in knee pads is a bit uncomfortable. But in college the fact is receivers and DBs DON’T wear knee pads. Period. So having your pants below the knee is meaningless. Plus, the refs tell the FU kid to get off the field because his pants don’t cover his knees. He refuses–5 yard delay penalty. The kid then leaves the field for one play. He doesn’t change pants. He doesn’t change ANYTHING. Then he runs back out on the field next play and starts playing again. And the refs do NOTHING. SEC game officiating is a joke and this is Exhibit “A.”
I coach competitive travel youth football in metro-Atlanta. I literally teach my o-linemen to grab the defender’s chest plate, thumbs up, and shove the chest plate up into the defender’s neck. I would have gotten a personal foul for doing that in high school. But, that is how you block nowadays if you want to have success. It is NEVER called a hold. The only thing that gets called a hold is a literal tackle or blatant bear hug – and usually only if it affects the outcome of the play. Almost anything inside on the chest is fine. That is what kids are taught (if they have a decent coach!) from day one through highschool, in camps, by USA football, FBU, whatever. The defenders are taught basically don’t let the offensive player touch you. Defenders must be extremely violent with their hands to knock away the offensive lineman’s attempts to grab them or they get “held.” I do not like that myself, but that is how the game is played from pee-wee to the pros.
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