Scenes from a commitment

Not unfair at all, according to Mid-American Conference commissioner Jon Steinbrecher, who had this advice for kids about to sign an NLI:  “Students need to go into this with their eyes open.”  That, of course, is an incredibly wise suggestion for those high schoolers being pressured to sign by a head coach who warns that a December slot may not be available come February.

Manny Diaz has come out alright.  Temple has banked six and a half million.  The kids have learned a life lesson, and how can you put a price tag on that?

And some of you pretend to wonder where this generation gets its lack of commitment from.

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44 responses to “Scenes from a commitment

  1. “There’s no money to pay the players.”—Guys making millions of dollars in a system that doesn’t pay the players.

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  2. Biggen

    Is there not a provision built into the rules that allows a student athlete to waive off the NLI if the head coach leaves?

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  3. Spike

    I’m going back to hatin’ on The U now that CMR is gone.

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  4. What is your point? I haven’t read of anyone questioning a kid pulling back from a commitment made when the head coach leaves. The lack of commitment comes when they renege when absolutely nothing has changed. In general to many people today use the term commitment when perhaps would be a better word choice.
    As to going in with your eyes wide open both sides have to do that and it effects people not directly involved.

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    • There’s no point for you.

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    • Interesting…………I “perhaps” will go to your school, interesting.

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    • Tony Barnfart

      When a kid signs an LOi, a contract, he is committed to that school. If he breaches that contract, he must sit out a year. A new school where the kid wants to go doesn’t get to swoop in and pay up on an early termination / liquidated damages clause (a buyout) and have the kid play immediately. But Manny Diaz will be coaching Miami in 2019.

      The difference that folks are complaining about is that the unpaid kid is subject to a FORCED performance (for the school he signed an LOi) or FORCED non-performance if he transfers. Forcing action (playing for team1) or inaction (not playing for team2) have always been considered substantially more burdensome contract provisions than having a liquidated termination provision.

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      • Russ.

        Don’t cloud the issue with facts.

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      • Gaskilldawg

        The LOI may bind the kid to the school regardless of what happens but the LOI does not bind the school to send a grant in aid agreement. It Tony Barnfat signs a LOI with Alabama and later Saban decides that someone else is better he can just not honor Tony Barhfart’s scholarship and TB has no recourse against Alabama.

        That is one reason I would, advise a 5 star to not sign a LOI. Sign the grant in aide papers binding the school.

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      • ugafidelis

        How does the LOI bind the kid to the school if the kid is under 18? I’m guessing Mom and/or Dad has to sign it as well?

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  5. Go Dawgs!

    The kids at Miami and Temple are both getting screwed, but boy those Temple kids sure are getting screwed harder. At least at The U the new Hurricanes are getting a member of the coaching staff that they dealt with through most of their recruitment as their head coach. Temple? Those kids are going to be stuck going to a lower tier program that will likely be returning to mediocrity (or worse) with an also-ran coach. That hurts.

    I’d really like to know what’s been going on at Miami behind the scenes.

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    • Cynical Dawg

      I hope it isn’t true, but I wonder if there is some neurological thing going on with CMR. He has made many odd decisions over the past several years. The whole “mutiny” among the coaching staff seemed like courtiers fighting over who would serve as regent for a doddering mad king. The stubbornness and passivity were puzzling to me.

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  6. barneydawg

    The last couple of times Miami promoted from within, they got Larry Coker and Randy Shannon. Just like now, the players were very happy because they wanted someone they knew.

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    • Union Jack

      In fairness – Coker did win a NC and was a pass interference call away from a 2nd. Yes – the program fell precipitously after that but there is no way of knowing if they brought in someone else it would have resulted n the same success.

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  7. Bulldog Joe

    I feel worse for the hurricane fans, who get to look forward to at least two more years of ‘continuity’.

    Fortunately, there are not many of them.

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  8. Uglydawg.

    A couple of years ago a kid played without signing. Does anyone remember who it was? It seems like a great idea if a kid has enough juice to pull it off. Just say, “I’ll come play if you’ll give me a scholarship, but I’m not signing a contract”.

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    • Debby Balcer

      Roquan Smith

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    • The Dawg abides

      The key, like you said, is if the recruit has enough juice. Roquan definitely did. I thought it was going to become a trend among the blue chip kids. I don’t know why it didn’t catch on because it actually gives them a little more power in their decision.

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      • Biggen

        Because if I’m a coach, I’m not keeping a scholarship open for a player without a NLI. These coaches have a plan on what players/position they need to sign each cycle. They can’t just tell everyone, “Sure, you can play for us without an NLI and we will keep a scholly ready and waiting for you”.

        They need to know exactly who is coming in order to efficiently fill a roster. If that player isn’t willing to sign, then they need to move onto the next player in the list on their board.

        Keeping scholarships hanging out in the breeze is not an efficient way to build a program. Roquan was the exception of course. His talent was so good that it worked out for us. Also, leave it to Richt to undersign every cycle like a champ and have plenty of scholarships available so we could take Roquan.

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        • Union Jack

          I am surprised more 5 star and even some 4 stars have not gone the route of just signing the scholarship papers and eschewing the NLI. I think that if a whole bunch of them started doing it, the elite programs will still find spots for them even with the roster management it might create. The coaches may not like it but Saban and Kirby and Dabo would adapt. Those guys already have figured out the formula for layering elite recruits on elite recruits.

          In this case though, we are not talking about UGA & Bama but Temple recruits.

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      • Macallanlover

        Perhaps Tyrique Stevenson signed his letter intent, but maybe not. All we know is he signed his financial papers with UGA, but he could have done that with Miami as well. We will find out soon.

        Not sure who is lower class here, Diaz or Miami. I know our society has become a place where the written word, whether it be contracts or laws, has come to stand for very little. As some have said, make the penalty so high people cannot act this poorly.

        There is little chance we will see the NCAA have balls enough to write a new rule that would cause there to be a waiting period (show cause) for coaches who leave for another NCAA school before their current contract expires. The period of waiting should be as long as the number of years they lied about to recruits, that would be 5 years for Diaz since he just misled recruits that could be impacted by his lies for the next 5 years.

        This is a player compensation issue, but transfer rules should be tightened down on both coaches and players.

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        • There is little chance we will see the NCAA have balls enough to write a new rule that would cause there to be a waiting period (show cause) for coaches who leave for another NCAA school before their current contract expires.

          The NCAA would face another antitrust suit for that and it would lose big time.

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          • Macallanlover

            Nothing surprises me about the law and its interpretations these days but how can they not cover this as under “misleading recruits” that they would be there? I thought I remembered a case where recruiting violations were covered under the “show cause” requirement of them becoming a coach in the NCAA again. And didn’t Shea Patterson get a transfer waiver because of Ole Miss’ dishonesty? Wouldn’t “come to Temple and we will turn this puppy around” not be misleading if you left your position before the recruit arrived? It is their organization, it seems they already have standards like that.

            I am assuming you are saying they are protected by anti-trust laws because this is an employment infringement situation? I feel they have some latitude to set certain behavioral conditions, this is pretty bad behavior to me.

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    • ugafidelis

      And then he worked the Bears over to ensure he wasn’t going get screwed over.

      https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/08/13/roquan-smith-ends-holdout-chicago-bears-contract

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      • Ldawg

        Roquan negotiated a deal that closed a loophole whereby the team owners could forgo paying him millions because of weak & inconsistent definition and enforcement of the rules (targeting). He’s one smart cookie.

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  9. Spike

    What makes Diaz so great?

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    • Macallanlover

      Nothing really from a coaching resume standpoint. Culturally. there is a connection with the Miami community that will be helpful, except they don’t actually play in Miami any longer. 🙂

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  10. dawgfan

    College football that all of us love so much is choking to death on money, except of course for the players.

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  11. Mayor

    Manny Diaz is a good choice for Miami.

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  12. Chopdawg

    Another blow across the back of the downtrodden Temple scholarship football player, who was just certain Manny Diaz would lead his school (which he loves dearly) into the FBS playoffs.

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  13. Da U is in denial. That State of Miami thing is dead and gone. Never coming back.

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  14. 92 grad

    Diaz is the angry gay Hispanic from Seinfeld. I’ve never seen anything else when I see an image of him. Tell me I’m wrong……

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