Your 3.6.19 Playpen

If ever a tweet was destined to kick off a Playpen, surely it’s this one.

If that’s not peak stoopid stick to sports, it’s high enough up that you can see the summit from there.

Comments time!

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  1. By the way, on a topic more related to last week’s Playpen, this news is a total bummer:

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    • Bulldog Joe

      Aw Shit.

      One of the few places in Georgia that could do brisket (and a lot of other things) well.

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      • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

        Heirloom Market on Akers Mill Rd. in Cobb County close to the new stadium. Best brisket in town. Best BBQ in Atlanta.

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        • Bulldog Joe

          We’ve always wanted to like that place, but standing up and eating under the noise and fumes of I-285 just doesn’t do it for us.

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          • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

            The noise and fumes and 285? I’m sorry, but what? Are your olfactory senses like those of a dog? Because they must be if you’re smelling “fumes” from 285.

            And if you don’t like standing, take it home, which is what I usually do.

            If you’re worried about ambience at a BBQ joint, you’re worried about the wrong thing. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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            • Otto

              While I mostly agree, it would be nice to have a seating area with chairs.

              I only go to Heirloom on days that I can eat from the tailgate of my truck without freezing, or getting soaked. I go to Das BBQ whenever I want BBQ and feel like braving I75. You can have park benches with tables, communal seating, fill your owns drinks and I am fine.

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          • We’ve always wanted to like that place, but standing up and eating under the noise and fumes of I-285 just doesn’t do it for us.

            If you can smell anything wafting from I-285 while you’re standing next to Heirloom’s smokers, you’ve got one helluva heightened sense of smell.

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          • Otto

            Das BBQ is another for Brisket.

            As a friend who grew up in Metter, GA said half jokingly, if it hasn’t burned down at least once, it isn’t a good BBQ place. Heirloom did have a fire about a year ago.

            I hope they can rebuild quickly.

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    • NCDawg

      Know the family personally. Awesome people! They are all ok and will rebuild this great establishment. The ribs are to die for!

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    • Union Jack

      Totally bummed by this … hope the rebuild is quick. It’s his 2nd fire (Savannah location also burned) so he has dealt with the situation.

      There is a risk of this when you smoke using a wood pit overnight. Happened to Franklin’s in Austin and Rodney Scott’s place in Hemingway, SC too.

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    • Cojones

      Reminds me of the BBQ joint that burned in Athens(located in the predominately black part of Athens, bottom of hill on Atl Hy) in the late 60s. Before it burned, my law-school Vietnam-era friend and I went there upon returning from a hike in the mountains. We ordered at the porch takeout window and waited a bit before we were called back and asked for our “membership” ID that you couldn’t get where they served food; instead, you had to go to their “HQ” located on Prince Ave to apply for “membership”. Of course, the walkup to the house on Prince was about 20yds – long enough for someone to determine what color you were before you rang the doorbell. It pissed us off such that we didn’t go in and obtain one.

      When MLK was assassinated, we were at the movies with our wives and when returning home noticed bricks in the road at the Varsity where police were entering with a “black Mariah” smoke generator. We continued down the hill and turned into our place headed uphill just as flames were shooting from the BBQ joint at the hill bottom. After arriving, I quickly got my brimmed dress hat, printed “Press” in big letters and proceeded down the hill on foot with my camera. Got one shot of bigger flames now consuming the place and left it to the arriving fire engines.

      My friend and I got a little satisfaction viewing that photo later and nodding our head at the karma of it burning to the ground in a black part of town that refused to sell to the local people. Friggin’ idiots.

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      • Union Jack

        So you went to Cracklin’ B’s and they didn’t serve you? I am confused by the story and how it relates? Are you seriously complaining that as a white dude in the 1960’s you were denied service at at restaurant because you were white and took pleasure that they lost their business to a fire in the wake of MLK’s assassination? Not trying to start something – I am just missing the context.

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  2. Biggus Rickus

    I don’t mean to paint with an overly broad brush here, but I daresay most elite football players in the south and Texas are not staunch conservatives based on the most heavily represented racial cohort. Also, aren’t, say, Athens and Austin kind of famously given to “liberal politics”?

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    • I daresay you’re not painting with an overly broad brush. 😉

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    • AthesHomerDawg

      “…famously given to liberal politicsl” Clark Co is the poorest county in Georgia with 40% living below poverty line one of the poorest in the nation. However, it is resplendent with its sidewalks to nowhere and an unbridled passion for bicycle lanes.

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      • Tony Barnfart

        Do student “incomes” or lack thereof pull that down ? Boy, when players finally get their fair share, we can expect clarke county to dig out of that stat.

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        • Classic City Canine

          Clarke’s overall poverty rate is 38% but it drops to 28% without students.

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        • Normaltown Mike

          One thing that makes ACC look bad in those stats is a large % of employed people are technically unemployed every summer. A large number of the cafeteria and dorm housekeeping folks are not paid over the summer and I am told (based on convo w/ a dining manager) many file for unemployment.

          A 2nd factor is that the large amount of public housing built in Athens attracted poor people from surrounding counties b/c the the apartments were significantly nicer than the shacks in Oconee, Oglethorpe & Wilkes County. Consequently, there was a large influx of the poorest for the region all into one town.

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          • AthensHomerDawg

            Hmmmmm…..so Athens is a sanctuary city of sorts.

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          • Tony Barnfart

            Blows my mind that public housing can sit on real estate so prime, right next to Sanford Stadium. That land on the open market…..wow !

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            • Biggus Rickus

              I’m curious about that. Are crime and substance abuse rates lower than average in the relatively nicer projects of Athens compared to other places? Maybe the environment lends itself to less desperation or demoralization or whatever it is that afflicts denizens of public housing (beyond the fact that the kinds of people who end up on welfare tend to be the kinds of people who habitually make bad decisions)? It may or may not have any impact. Your comment just made me think about it.

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              • Tony Barnfart

                No clue. My own personal experience leads me to believe that many people are in public housing because that’s the hand they’ve been dealt—a product of the system that came before them, before that, and so forth. As a child in the 80’s, we had a housekeeper who lived in public housing. We went there often, coming and going, and there was absolutely nothing wrong with how she lived, the choices she made as an adult, how she kept her apartment, etc etc. She was just poor—probably because somebody took her out of school in 6th/7th grade (probably an inferior school in those days). Nothing she did or didn’t do put her in that position.

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      • Classic City Canine

        LOL @AthesHomerDawg. This city is desperately short of sidewalks and bike lanes and the Commission slow plays every single bike/ped project. If we actually built as many sidewalks and bike lanes as you claim, the poverty rate would go down because less people would need to own a car.

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        • AthensHomerDawg

          Desperately short? I’ll bite … CCC. Where do we need those sidewalks?
          The bike people have a very strong lobby .
          We dont have the # of jobs in the middle income brackets . This is one of biggest reason for our poverty here in ACC.

          Are you suggesting that with an increase in bike lanes our citizens would no longer need cars. The poverty rate would go down minus the car’s
          financial burden. Everyone, merrily peddling to work lean and fit with plump wallets?

          If only PLT had a bike and had forsaken Uber.

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          • Cojones

            Who are the “bike people”? How many belong to that group that live in the projects and would request more bike lanes?

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            • AthensHomerDawg

              The bicycle group. Spiffy tights and helmets.

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              • Got Cowdog

                A selfish and surly lot, to be sure, but those over-sized aerodynamic helmets they have now are the BOMB!
                I stopped at the golden pantry on 129 for a sixer the other day while a group ride had stopped for a break. A couple of the dudes looked like cartoon aliens in those get-ups.

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          • Classic City Canine

            You can view the recently approved Athens in Motion Bike/Ped Master Plan to see the vast deficiencies in our network.
            I am suggesting that if it were easier to bike and walk to daily activities that more people would be healthier and wealthier. I have two co-workers who bike to work are able to thrive with only one car between them and their spouse. Students in particular could benefit because they wouldn’t need to bring their cars to campus and clog up everything.

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          • ChiliDawg

            It’s amazing to hear some of you bemoan bike lanes as if they don’t absolutely work to their intended purpose in just about every city out west that doesn’t have billy bob griping about “spiffy tights.”

            Holding back common sense infrastructure reform to own the libs.

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            • Got Cowdog

              C’mon Chili, we just poking fun at y’all. (Assuming you’re a biker) I ride too. I have a pair of sweet Trek bikes (Road and mountain) and there are really good 15-25 mile rides around my area, plus some good off road trails.
              I do wear a pair of hiking shorts over the tights and a looser fitting shirt, and a normal helmet. Being shaped somewhat like a cinder block, whatever wind resistance I sacrifice for chastity’s sake is akin to throwing a deck chair off the titanic anyway.
              Plus there is a bar on one of the rides about a mile from the finish. I can stop in for a refreshing malt beverage without attracting too much attention.
              Ride safe Brother.

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              • ChiliDawg

                I wasn’t directing that at you, sorry if I responded to the wrong comment.

                I do ride, and yep I wear the full kit 🙂 Kind of a necessity when you’re putting in 70+ miles. My typical training ride is around 40 miles but I do the AMBBR around Tahoe every year which checks in at 72 and 4200’+ elevation gain. Beer always tastes better after a ride like that, and people aren’t as squeamish about a man drinking in tights out west. People are more bike friendly in general, I find.

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    • Muttley

      At the 2004 Arkansas game out west the guy sitting next to me confided that he’d been really disturbed all week by rumors on the Vent that David Greene was a democrat. (Maybe they just meant that he was a lefty). He said he couldn’t in good conscience root for a democrat. I told the guy that demographically speaking, he was probably rooting for quite a few. He looked confused for a second, and then said- “Oh- well I don’t care about THEM, but David Green’s one of US.”

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  3. I M Enseine

    It’s not “liberal politics” the parents are worried about. It’s the massive wildfires,cataclysmic earthquakes and the legal weed. Also the gypsies and midgets. Oh, and the gays. Don’t forget the gays.

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    • I M TheDamnMalitia

      Not really — it’s the mental midgets like you that constitute the liberal end of the political spectrum (aka: Commies).

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    • I M Enseine

      And you know whats really worse than that? The plain midgets? It’s those really tall midgets you see walking around.

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    • AthensHomerDawg

      Meh…wildfires,quakes and weed Oh My! Shit! It’s the massive accumulation of human feces has become nearly as much a symbol of S.F. as street cars,Lombard Street, and Coit Tower.

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    • Union Jack

      They are worried about legal weed? If you spend even in short time in urban and predominantly AA environments, I don’t think legal weed is something they are worrying about. Legal or illegal – weed is integrated into the pop culture (music, fashion, food etc.) 24/7.

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  4. Bulldog Joe

    Makes sense. Wins (and especially losses) have been well-distributed across all the teams.

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  5. sniffer

    One thing social engineers have failed to impact is that people want to be with and around others like themselves. You can argue whether that’s healthy for a society or not, but it’s true. So, it makes sense that parents, and students, may hesitate to attend a school that is not “home”. As to what the PAC12 can do to reverse that perception, well, good luck and nobody gives a shit.

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    • AthensHomerDawg

      “…well,good luck and nobody gives a shit.” Lots of people give a shit. There is too much shit. San Fran spends $54,000,000 a year keeping the streets clean. Street Sanitation Needle and Feces Sanitary Engineers are paid $184,000 a year. Is S.F. on its way to becoming a “shit hole” City.
      Until recently, the last time I noticed someone wantonly shitting in the streets I was in a 3rd world country.

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  6. Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

    I wouldn’t call what they do out there “liberal” politics. There is nothing liberal about that authoritarian brand of leftism. It’s as looney toons, if not more, as any creationist bible-thumping Southern social conservative here. But that’s just me… I like my words to mean what they mean. It’s all semantics in the end, I guess.

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    • ilini84

      Blah Blah Blah. . .

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    • Derek

      At the end of the day, you are either willing to abide the whims of the mob or you live in fear the mob. Are you Adams or are you Jefferson?

      Are you Burke and watch the French Revolution and recoil in horror or do you think: “serves the bastards right?”

      In short do you trust the people or do you trust the people in power?

      Of course neither political party fits neatly in that dichotomy, but the degree to which a person or policy ends up favoring the state over the citizen (or vice versa) is the clearest and cleanest way of identifying true liberals and conservatives.

      I personally feel like those identified today as liberals favor the citizen over the state in personal matters whereas conservatives favor the individual over the state in economic matters. (Guns being the obvious exception to that generality.) Given the choice and facts as presented, I’ll take my person over my wallet every time.

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      • JoshG

        I’m not any of those guys, nor do I have to be. I’m an urban Thoreau.

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        • Derek

          Hard not to put him down on the liberal side ain’t it? Not a lot of authoritarianism there.

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          • JoshG

            Derek, you might should have just typed “Thoreau’s point went completely over my head.” To categorize him into your political tribalism is embarrassing.

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            • Derek

              Ok dude. Thoreau may be exempted from this: https://goo.gl/images/Dsdkrc

              Why? Because you say so.

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              • JoshG

                Apparently, you didn’t understand what I meant by political tribalism. Also pretty clear you never read Thoreau. Which is fine, if you hadn’t made it clear by expressing a shallow opinion on his ideas.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  Dude, Thoreau went into the woods to meditate on marginal tax rates. Didn’t you learn anything in middle school? You suck.

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                • Derek

                  It’s because I wasn’t participating in “political tribalism.”

                  I was trying to describe classical, not current, political ideologies, period.

                  You can say I did that clumsily or poorly but everyone who has a viewpoint falls somewhere on a continuum. Unless you have absolutely no opinions on government at all, you can be defined to a degree.

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                • The exceptionally funny reality behind the Thoreau “myth” is that, yes, he went into the Woods to live deliberately. But the pond in those woods was less than a mile from his family home. And when he needed, he would wander back and ask his mother to do his wash for him.

                  He was no rugged outdoorsman!

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      • sniffer

        In short do you trust the people or do you trust the people in power?

        The French Revolution is one of many examples where neither could be trusted. As to your question, I trust people. We elected a bright, intelligent Senator from Illinois who was unqualified but for the most part, kept us out trouble. We have now elected a disruptive, equally disqualified interloper who reflects the mind of enough voters to send a message that the status quo needs changing. That is more why Hillary lost than Trump won. So, the people…

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        • Derek

          I trust power derived from elections more than I do Kings. Start there. Move on from there.

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          • JoshG

            “The only thing ideologically worse than supporting the state is identifying with it, imagining that it cares about you, that it represents your interests, that it is on your side, that its foremost concerns are protecting and fostering you — and worst of all, that you and the state are organically bound together in one sacred whole. The end of all these delusions is madness.”
            -Robert Higgs

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            • Derek

              All true, but I’d rather have a vote wouldn’t I?

              If you want to argue for anarchy, that’s fair too.

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              • JoshG

                The only thing I argue for is non-aggression and against belief in myths that should be easily seen as false. Voting for example.

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                • Derek

                  You choose to be ignored. Good for you. They will definitely do that while still telling you want you can and any do! What a bargain you’ve made for yourself!

                  A voiceless tyranny of your own construction!

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                • JoshG

                  Lol. You think your vote is how you make your voice heard. A tyranny of your own construction, indeed.

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                • Derek

                  Other people voted similarly so roughly half my adult life has been under a President I voted for.

                  None of yours will be, ever.

                  I’d call your failure to assert, or even value, any your own potential political power the wet dream of tyrants.

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      • Napoleon BonerFart

        Good points. And that dichotomy holds as long as we insist that wallets have nothing to do with labor or liberty. Which of course only cocksuckers believe.

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      • Russ

        All I see is that both sides are controlled by the extremes of their parties and I can’t stand either one. And anytime someone comes along and tries the middle, they’re torn apart by both sides. We’re fucked.

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  7. MDDawg

    How many of you guys are going to see Captain Marvel? I’ll definitely be seeing it, I’m just hoping it won’t be as ridiculously over-hyped as Black Panther was.

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    • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

      There’s something interesting in that the neo-prog bloggers pretending to be movie critics are mostly expressing disappointment in their reviews (words like flawed, uninspired, unoriginal, and even boring are being used) yet those reviews all end with basically the same message: We’re giving it a good score because women. Or something. The review over at Collider is the worst (best?) example of this.

      And although the reviews are mostly “meh,” like 2.5/4 and B- and the like, Rotten Tomatoes is giving them fresh ratings, while the same grades for Alita Battle Angel (also a female-empowerment film) got rotten ratings… for the very same grades.

      It’s almost like if the move is good or not no longer matters, and Rotten Tomatoes uses its oversized influence to push certain films / narratives and punish other films / narratives.

      It all kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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      • MDDawg

        I hadn’t seen the reviews you mentioned, and I generally only look at the overall scores so I can avoid potential spoilers in the reviews. But in general the reviewers pushing narratives leaves a bad taste in my mouth as well.

        Also, Alita Battle Angel kicked ass!

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

          Seriously, read the review at Collider. Matt Goldberg is the absolute worst (best?) example of what I’m talking about. He wants so much to like the film because of his love of intersectionality that it hurts him to talk badly about it, but in the end, he wraps it up with a big positive bow because what he believes the film’s politics to be (as much as a Marvel film actually can have politics, more the politics people push on it as opposed to an actual narrative in the film) is more important than if the film is actually good or not.

          A lot of the fresh reviews on Rotten Tomatoes reflect this view. It’d be hilarious if it weren’t sad.

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          • Union Jack

            Perhaps it is just a reaction to the fact the equally annoying backlash of criticism not based on the merits of the story or product but people trashing something because:

            Black Stormtrooper
            Black superhero
            Female superhero
            Female ghostbusters
            Diverse Spiderman

            The diversity issues in entertainment are a big deal and should be addressed. It gets noticed because there are so few (particularly in this genre) movies that represent the entire marketplace.

            Hollywood of course doesn’t do itself any favors by awarding Best Picture movies to stuff like this:

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            • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

              The mistake you make is the same mistake neo-prog bloggers make:

              You confuse youtube trolls, or trolls in general, with fans, or collate intent that isn’t there with intent that is. The trolls who got up their own ass on youtube for the Star Wars teaser trailer about Finn did so simply to sow discord and enmity. They get off on it. They do it to all sides to then see the shitstorm that erupts. They’re not racist, they’re not anything but engines of chaos.

              Some Star Wars fans brought up the fact that Stormtroopers are cloned from the same genetic material as Jango Fett, and thus, could not be black. This is a true, non-racist statement. The always-offended neo-prog bloggers then pounced and said they were racist for saying that Stomrtroopers couldn’t be black. Neither side took into count that JJ Abrams was creating a new reality where this Empire offshoot didn’t have access to the cloning technology, and thus had to subscript Stormtroopers (which is a leftover from the EU novels, no longer canon). So the fans who said Stormtroopers were not racist, but once the trolls saw how the fauxrage fomented by the neo-prog bloggers got a lot of play in national media, they then entered the fray and did their thing.

              As for the female Ghostbusters thing, that evolved from fans being upset that Paul Feig was REBOOTING the franchise, ignoring the previous world built-out in the other two films and the excellent video game. Once again, the neo-prog film bloggers took fan disappointment as misogyny and ran with a thousand and one think pieces that the national media amplified the fauxrage even more than the Stormtrooper thing, and once again, the trolls jumped into the fray and stirred even more shit-up than before. That the film sucked, yet got mostly good reviews, was then largely ignored.

              Now, the trolls jump right into anything they know will piss-off the neo-prog bloggers who put their ideology far ahead the stated purpose of film critics and are always quick to denounce any “-ist” they think they see, mostly imagined.

              There are always going to be truly racist or what ever “-ist” d-bags out there, but their number is quite small in comparison to trolls who want attention and find glee from stirring up shit with those kinds of people predisposed to be outraged about everything.

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              • Got Cowdog

                I must disagree on the Ghostbusters remake. I enjoyed that one. Kate McKinnon may be one of the funniest people on the planet.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

                  YMMV, but I thought the humor was stupid and sophomoric, and that’s not the kind of humor that gibes in a Ghostbusters film. IIn a 90’s Adam Sandler movie? Yes. Ghostbusters? No. Also, Melissa McCarthy, is to me, one of the most unfunny actors working.

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                • Russ

                  Agreed. The Ghostbusters remake was just as fun as the first one to me. And both were sophomoric. Bill Murray and Dan Aykroyd were never confused with high brow humor.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

                  You’re seriously confused if you’re calling Ghostbusters “sophomoric,” or we just have a different idea of what sophomoric means.

                  I mean the gross-out toilet humor type stuff Feig is known for in his films.

                  Nothing like that exists in the original film. The humor in Ghostbusters is a bit more elevated than that, so that even when it goes low brow (like when Venkman is talking to a Zuul-possed Dana) it’s still smart.

                  No one should say the humor in the reboot is smart. It isn’t. It’s lowest-common denominator type humor, and that’s okay. I like that in its own place, but not in a film like this.

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                • Got Cowdog

                  “Ray, if someone asks if you’re a god, YOU SAY YES!”

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

                  To put it another way, the people who populate the future in Idiocracy would love Paul Feig’s Ghostbusters in a “Ow, My Balls” kind of way, finding it much funnier than Ivan Reitman’s Ghostbusters, whose humor would go mostly of their heads except for stuff like, “He slimed me.”

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                • Got Cowdog

                  Corch, dropping the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man on an unsuspecting audience was truly one of the greatest triumphs in cinematic history. To ask a remake to even compare with such a masterpiece is being unreasonable. I get that the remake was a little campy, and Chris Hemsworth is no Cyndi Lauper, but the flick had some funny moments. I mentioned above Kate McKinnon’s goofy non sequitur humor, I’m surprised you didn’t pick up on that. Sometimes you have to look for the good, brother, especially in the dearth of movie humor we are in these days.

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              • ChiliDawg

                Some Star Wars fans brought up the fact that Stormtroopers are cloned from the same genetic material as Jango Fett, and thus, could not be black. This is a true, non-racist statement.

                No, that is a willfully ignorant and deliberately racist statement, because Star Wars lore is explicit that the Empire stopped using clones for Stormtroopers before the time of TFW. The white kids like yourself just don’t like it.

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      • Russ

        Only reviews that have been out for weeks are negative reviews from misogynists that are upset that a comic book movie has a female lead. Same thing happened with Black Panther. I’m sure there are now positive reviews out solely for the same reason.

        I agree that Black Panther was overhyped and I’ve tried to ignore the press about Captain Marvel because I figure it will be the same. I’ll see the movie and I’m sure I’ll enjoy it because I’ve enjoyed pretty much every other MCU movie to this point. But they don’t represent my worldview or inform my opinion on society at large. They are an escape from society at large.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

          These are not fan reviews. I’m talking about actual reviews.

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          • Russ

            I have no doubt actual reviewers are writing positive reviews simply because of how “important” this film is. One of the reasons I try to avoid reviews. I already know I’m going to see it and these reviews just piss me off.

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      • Got Cowdog

        Mrs. Cowdog made me watch “Wonder woman”. Talk about a bad taste. That may be the worst movie I’ve ever seen.
        OTOH, I watched ‘Bohemian Rhapsody” on a flight a couple of weeks ago and enjoyed it way more than I thought I would.

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        • Russ

          Re: Wonder Woman – are you a fan of comic book movies? If not, then I can see why you didn’t like it. I thought it was the best DC comic book movie, but then that’s a pretty low bar. The other DC comic book movies have been much worse. For whatever reason, the Marvel comic book movies are universally better (IMO). I know even the worst of the Marvel movies I’ve still enjoyed and rewatched. Maybe it’s the humor sprinkled in? IDK.

          But at a minimum, Wonder Woman was okay for at least gazing at Gal Gadot for 2 hours. That wasn’t a chore.

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          • Cojones

            Yep, grew up liking the WW comics with her golden lariat that made people tell the truth…..and that invisible airplane (my mind’s eye of that was watching a colorfully-dressed woman flying overhead in a sitting position because she didn’t become invisible, only her plane). One of my favorite comics.

            My wife and her daughter saw it when it first came out and thought it was special; however, I agree with Got Cowdog after I viewed it. It truly sucks.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

          I disagree. I wholly enjoyed Wonder Woman. It had some third act problems as most superhero films do, but it was wonderfully directed by Patty Jenkins who got the most out of Gal Gadot, who is a pretty limited actress. And Chris Pine was awesome.

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          • Got Cowdog

            @Russ, truth. I’m not a fan of comic book movies so my opinion of them is certainly not to be taken seriously by fans of the genre. My opinion of Gal Gadot is similar to yours but ADD limits the amount of time I can gaze at anything. 🙂
            Corch, I’m glad you enjoyed it regardless of how I felt about it.. Chris Pine is one of my favorite actors, I first saw him in “Hell or High Water” which is one of my all time favorite movies. Check it out if you haven’t already. Since I’m on the subject, Ben Foster (Remember him as the kid in “Big Trouble”?) does a fantastic job in that one as well.

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            • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

              Dude, Hell or High Water is one of the best films made in the last few years, period. I literally bought ten copies on blu ray the year it came out and gave it as Christmas presents to my friends and family; that how much I love that film. (The year before I did the same thing for Chef… I love to get people to watch under-viewed great films). Pine and Bridges were amazing in the film, but you’re right about Ben Foster, who is maybe the most underrated actor working today.

              To see more of him in great stuff, rent or buy Leave no Trace and Galveston, both of which came out last year, both of which were great movies no one saw.

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              • Russ

                Heck, I practically LIVE in Galveston and I’ve never heard of that movie. I guess I’ll have to watch it for the scenery if nothing else.

                @GotCow – Comic book movies are good if you’re a fan of comic book movies. Otherwise, yeah, you’re not going to enjoy them. I love them, but I don’t pretend they’re great “art”. Some of them tell great stories, but only if you understand the back stories and such. I gave up long ago trying to convert people to comic book movies.

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                • Russ

                  Hmmm…see “Galveston” was filmed in Savannah. I guess I could still watch it for the scenery, just different scenery. 😉

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              • MDDawg

                I need to get around to watching Hell or High Water before it leaves Netflix. I remember when I first saw the trailer for it I thought it looked really good but never got around to seeing it in theaters. Thanks for the reminder. And I agree, Ben Foster’s great, it’s a shame he doesn’t get more recognition for his work.

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      • ChiliDawg

        You are a seriously thin-skinned person. This is the second time in as many weeks you’ve gone out of your way to bitch about a movie that didn’t cast a white male as the lead role and decried “neo-progs” for viewing it favorably.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

          LOL. Wow. Chili, you are seriously the dumbest person alive if you think that is what I said last week or just above.

          If you could read what I wrote, and if that is your take away, I have to wonder… do you even have a fifth grade education? Your reading comprehension skills are horrible. I mean, are you a Gump?

          Or are you, like many of your ilk, intentionally misrepresenting what I’m saying in order to infer I’m a racist and misogynist?

          Either way, it’s not a good look, Chili. It’s not a good look at all. You’re either so stupid that you don’t understand what I wrote last week and what I wrote this week was about the current state of film journalism, OR you’re such an ideological slave ready to foment fauxrage where no actual offense exists that you intentionally misconstrue what I wrote in order to fit your fevered far left narrative.

          If you actually are this stupid, I apologize. You can’t help it. If it’s the other thing, then I say this with absolutely no respect at all and with great shame that you love the same team I do: Go fuck yourself. 🙂

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    • Napoleon BonerFart

      As a white male, I’m abiding by the wishes of those involved in making the film and I’m staying away from the theater. The last thing they need is me tainting the audience with my cisgender stink.

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      • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

        Eh, YMMV, but I don’t give a crap about that. I’m gonna go see it, because I love superhero movies, and I’ll make up my own mind. Is Brie Larson insufferable? You bet. But so are so many people who make movies.

        What I find bad is what I describe above, in that film criticism, once one of the few bastions of journalism that tried to take something subjective and treat it as objective (instead of the other way around) has completely abandoned any sense of journalistic ethics and now, almost monolithically, reviews films through the lens of their personal, far left ideology instead of, you know, on if a film is simply good or bad.

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        • Napoleon BonerFart

          Yeah, not a big fan of either comics or movies. I’ll probably catch it on cable, as I do with most movies.

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    • Russ

      Also, if you’re looking for a movie, go see Apollo 11, in IMAX if you can. Amazing footage, much of it never seen before. Only contains archival footage and audio. Fantastic movie.

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  8. Derek

    You can tell by its having the largest population and the largest number of visitors per year that nobody goes to California ‘cuz liberals.

    This makes sense to people who pushed for Clinton’s impeachment and 8 investigations into BENGHAZI!!! and who now think congressional oversight is a hoax and a witch hunt.

    1998- Rule of Law!!! Character Matters!! Honor and integrity in the WH!!!

    2019- huh?

    In the words of Ms. Lindsey Graham (W-SC):

    That was so then….

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    • Preach on, Lindsey!

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    • sniffer

      Slow your roll, Derek. You packed a lot into that comment and you can’t possible that triggered yet. I love CA and would live there in a minute if :
      A. It wasn’t 2300 miles from family
      B. I could afford to live where I want

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    • HiAltDawg

      Thanks, Derek, nobody celebrates Justice Ginsburg calling Senator Graham a woman, enough.

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    • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

      Don’t let pesky things like facts get in the way of the narrative, Derek.

      California Companies Flee Business-Hostile State in Droves. https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/california-companies-leave-taxes/

      Californians fed up with housing costs and taxes are fleeing state in big numbers. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/19/californians-fed-up-with-housing-costs-and-taxes-are-fleeing-state.html

      And this, my favorite, from the SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE:

      Democratic Policies have Made California Poorer https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Democratic-policies-have-made-California-poorer-12253618.php

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      • Derek

        I don’t need a link to prove that more people live in CA than any other. CA also attracts the greatest number of tourists annually.

        This is not an argument that it is either perfect or run perfectly. I’m sure it’s not unusual as being a place where people are, and thus is all fucked up. There tends to be a correlative effect.

        I know that the great bastions of conservativism in Alabama and Mississippi have their share of attractions, but the market of people has spoken.

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        • sniffer

          Does the population of China make it superior to everyone else?

          Yours is a dick, lazy argument by someone brighter than that.

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          • Napoleon BonerFart

            Fuck off sniffer. Lots of people visit Disney world every year. This, Disney world is a good place to live. The logic is flawless.

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          • Derek

            Well that’s some stupid.

            We’re we talking about recruits landing in CA or not landing in CA because if it’s politics, correct? I think anyone not under the combined influence of gas huffing and glue sniffing knew that.

            People moved to CA making it the most populous state. Do people move to China, penis?

            People stay in CA maintaining it as the most populous state, dumb fuck.

            People visit CA more than any other state, moron.

            So I’m thinking that politics is not influencing the recruiting haul of west coast teams, monkey brain.

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            • Napoleon BonerFart

              Exactly. California’s immigration rate has been increasing with their leftist politics of late. I don’t trust the corporate media links that state otherwise. We all know how right wing statistics are. California wasn’t a populist state when Republicans controlled the state government. It’s only when leftists took control that everybody started moving in. So far, I haven’t been able to find census data on Disney world. But that’s probably because Trump is scared of the truth.

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            • sniffer

              *I don’t need a link to prove that more people live in CA than any other. *

              Your words, shithead. I got your point. It happened to be a particularly poor one.
              When you and Hillary finish tribbing, join the discussion and make good points.

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              • Derek

                So despite the fact that so many people live and visit there, it’s possible just possible that politics is influencing RECRUITING, but not the movement of others?

                Really? That’s a logical premise?

                It’s like saying people don’t move to Antarctica because of the bad Italian restaurants.

                It’s that fucking stupid.

                People don’t go to Tokyo because they don’t like raw fish.

                People would move to the Sahara if they had better schools.

                Fucking hell! We know what people DO!!! The idea that the movement of people is different in RECRUITING than any other aspect of life is ridiculous. But it’s not surprising that it has currency with MAGAs. What won’t they believe?

                Other than reality that is.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

          The argument you think you’re making is not an argument at all. You’re prescribing causation or even correlation where it doesn’t exist.

          You’re arguing that California has the most people and most tourists because people are happy with far left policies of their politicians. You didn’t say that, but it’s what you’re inferring.

          I’m showing you that you’re wrong. No state is losing more businesses or people BECAUSE of far left political policies than California is. In fact, their policies have created a housing shortage AND more poverty than any state per capita.

          California has more people because of pro-business policies and cheap land after WWII until the 80’s. Now, businesses and people flee.

          As for tourism, that has nothing to do with the political reality of California and everything to do with the intrinsic qualities of the state over which the politicians have no control.

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          • Derek

            Fuck guy people are dumb.

            I’m saying kids aren’t not signing with USC because of the governor you DUMB FUCKS!!!!

            No wonder you couldn’t figure out Trump was conning you. You’re fucking stupid!

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            • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

              Even if that was the point you’re making… it still makes no sense, Derek.

              None.

              So why’re we dumb when what you’ve said is nonsensical?

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              • Derek

                Politics isn’t dissuading residents or visitors so it’s not likely not dissuading recruits you fucking brain dead fucktarded best part was a brown stain left on the mattress.

                Is that really that hard? Really? Are you that painfully desperate to pwn a lib state that you can’t accept something as demonstratable and objective as NUMBERS?

                Calling you dumb is an insult to dumb people.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  Exactly. Articles showing people are leaving the state because of politics only prove people aren’t leaving the state because of politics. Why can’t people understand that? Fuck fuck fuckity fuk

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

                  But politics ARE dissuading residents, Derek. They are moving away PRECISELY because of the politcal reality of California. And visitors has nothing to do with politics, because politics has no control over the intrinsic qualities of the state (nice weather, beautiful scenery, etc.).

                  People and businesses aren’t moving to California, Derek. They’re moving away. In droves. So what you’re literally saying here is wrong. Calling me names and throwing a tantrum like a child doesn’t make you not wrong, nor the point you think you’ve made make sense.

                  Simply put, having the largest population and most tourists means nothing regarding the happiness level of current Californians with their political reality. The number of businesses and people leaving the state is a far better measurement of that, and it shows that they are unhappy.

                  You can admit you were wrong. It’s okay. And you can do so in a non-profane way. Or you can continue to act like a two year-old. It’s up to you.

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              • Napoleon BonerFart

                Only geniuses use fuck that many times in a post, you fucking fuck.

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        • ChiliDawg

          Let them keep believing that, Derek. I’d prefer people like him to stay where they are in Alabamistan and leave California to those of us who prefer to enjoy it for ourselves instead of viewing it through a FOX News lens.

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      • Trbodawg

        As a Georgian, living in California for the last 23 years, the more people who move out, the better.

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  9. HiAltDawg

    Greed generally trumps geography and the SEC pumping out more draft picks dictates everything. If it came down to parents and politics, how would Ole Miss even field a team?

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  10. siskey

    Turn down a scholarship at UCLA, UC-Berkley, USC, etc to own the libs.

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    • All I can say is you rarely see kids from anywhere in the country turn down a Stanford offer.

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      • Union Jack

        I know a young man that turned down the opportunity to be on athletic scholarship at Stanford. (In your face libs!)

        Also turned down UGA, Vandy, UAB, Texas A&M, Texas Tech & MTSU (You just got owned right wing nut jobs!)

        Now his parents are paying for him to go to school & play ball at Harvard ( in your face Jay Bilas et. al.) as Mark Emmert is adding his name to a powerpoint presentation for the NCAA attorneys.

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        • Seriously, that must be one special young man. Good for him.

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          • Union Jack

            He really is a great young man and it has been fun to see him grow up. If I remember correctly, his Mom had a family in the Bay Area and was surprised when he didn’t like Stanford. But he went to camp out there for a week so she trusted his judgement.

            When it was apparent that he really liked Harvard and the coaches etc, they told him to go for it. They didn’t expect him to become a professional player then or now but fully realized that a degree from Harvard gives him access to things that the other places (other than Stanford – maybe Vandy) cannot give him.

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        • Napoleon BonerFart

          If my kid turns down a free ride at Stanford, et al, his Harvard tuition won’t be paid by me.

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      • Got Cowdog

        Probably won’t see many kids from the north side of Baxter getting offers to anywhere other than maybe a back seat ride to the CCCF. That’s a sad area, and scary after dark. This comment likely belongs in the response about ACC poverty levels, but it has always been striking to me what the difference in life quality a few feet across that street can make.
        Funny thing is, as a student living in Russell, I never noticed it. It wasn’t until I worked the area as an adult that the dichotomy struck me.
        I made fun of a trailer park down the road from our farm once. My dad eyeballed me and said, “Don’t. Some folks don’t know no better.” I say that to make the point that even in a country as wealthy as ours, (In opportunity if nothing else) poverty is still a trap that baits itself. I came up poor but rural with family that wanted me to do better, and I’m better for it. I cannot imagine how hard it would be to escape an environment like public housing without that kind of support. Thing is, do the supports we have in place ostensibly to keep those who “Can’t do no better” really help? Or do they hinder those who might be better off if they weren’t afforded a lifestyle without effort?

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  11. 3rdandGrantham

    I’ve said I don’t generally discuss politics anymore, but I will briefly chime in and mention that I have a ton of friends/family/colleagues out west (namely SoCal, Denver, and Seattle). I also visit out there at least 1-2 times yearly. In my experience, the majority of people have far more of a Libertarian bent than a liberal/democrat one, whether they know it or not.

    Most of the folks out there I know vote democratic mostly, but they despise things such as: high taxes, unchecked illegal immigration, big gov involvement in the economy/regulation, corporatism, and all the rest. However, given they despise the GOP’s positioning on many social issues, as a result they hold their nose and vote for the Dems overwhelmingly. Several female friends of mine you’d swear were conservative otherwise, but they are repulsed by the GOP’s stance on abortion, thus they vote the Dem ticket exclusively.

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    • Derek

      That last sentence works the opposite way in the South.

      These guys aren’t fools. They know the numbers.

      You move on one issue to accommodate economic conservatives in California and you lose voters elsewhere.

      I assume most Americans don’t agree with a lot of the things the party they vote for does, me included. Its utter disgust at the other side that drives most people, me included.

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  12. Rchris

    Are extremely liberal people big football fans? If there is a negative correlation there, then recruits might not go west because they are bigger men on campus in Tuscaloosa than Berkeley. An indirect reason perhaps, and I’m not sure one that would sway parents, but a possible reason the Pac12 suffers in recruiting.

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    • 3rdandGrantham

      Let’s not forget the the football participation rate of Californians is at an all-time low, as football out there isn’t as popular with youths as it once was. On top of that, their has been a mass exodus of black Americans from cities like L.A. over the past 10-15 years, which also hasn’t helped. If I recall correctly from a recent L.A. Times article, more than 150K black Americans have migrated away from LA. this century alone, most often out of state and to areas like Atlanta, Houston, etc.

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    • Derek

      I have a friend that moved from the deep south to So Cal and sent me a picture of the college football clothing section at the local wal-mart.

      Lets just say it was a little different than around these parts in terms of scope. Its just not near as big a deal out there. In the south college football is ubiquitous. In most other places, its the college towns and alums that drive the sport.

      The rest of the country is much more about the NFL than the SEC. You can just look at tv ratings to see that.

      Each NFL conference championship more than doubled the folks that watched Clemson seal club Alabama.

      We’re different.

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      • ugafidelis

        Truth. When I moved out there I could hardly have a decent CFB conversation with anybody. All they wanted to talk about was the NFL. It was horrible lol.

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        • Trbodawg

          It hasn’t changed. I have to tell be people almost daily that my “G” is Red & Black, not Green and Yellow for a reason.

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  13. Hogbody Spradlin

    I would venture that parents of recruits in the South and Texas don’t like their sons being too far away. As far as politics, good luck finding a college town that ain’t liberal.

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  14. Ray Avret

    If politics played large into what school a Highschool kid picked to play ball in college …… the SEC and mid western schools would struggle with Black kids who lean largely Democrat while the southern and midwestern states lean largely Republican when they vote
    Some people especially recently try to hard to link everything to politics ….. You know what , I had a great and fun life under Obama and I am having a great and fun life under Trump

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  15. Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

    For those so inclined, what’s everyone sacrificing for Lent?

    I’m getting back on Keto, so carbs are my big sacrifice. I lost 60 pounds between June and November last year, but let the holidays knock me off course, and I’ve gained a bunch back. I did well for 5 months, and enjoyed Keto because I could still eat tons of eggs and cheese. I missed bread, but keto brownies are a thing, so my sweet tooth was satiated.

    I’m also, and this may be an even bigger thing, giving up social media. For me, that mostly means twitter, my only real source of news and sports updates. There’s a lot out there about how social media is easily addictive because of the dopamine release that comes from updates, responses, likes, etc. So, if my brain expects this constant dopamine release, the next week or so is going to be hell for me.

    Add that to no carbs, and I’m actually kind of a hero to give up so much. YMMV.

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    • Paul

      Corch, don’t just give it up for Lent. Give it up period. I’m getting to the point where I think social media has become one of the most detrimental forces in our society today. It’s a limitless cesspool of people actively seeking to become offended and subsequently expressing their outrage and ‘hurt’ in the most disparaging way imaginable. All with the intent to inflict as much harm as possible. My completely unscientific research says ninety percent of social media posts are either negative opinions or just outright lies. Our world would be a much better place without it. Now days I only occasionally (once or twice a week) check my Facebook feed to see what a few friends are up to. I rarely post. I don’t use or check any other social media at all. Nor do I watch the local news. My life is MUCH better for it.

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      • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

        Oh, I don’t disagree with what you’re saying at all. I gave up on facebook years ago. I like twitter though, as much as I hate it. It’s a definite love-hate relationship. I love it for how I currate news sources, both normal news and sports news. It’s the one place I can get my information from a variety of sources so I can then make my own decisions about what’s actually happening in the world.

        The other bullshit on twitter? Yeah, not my cup of tea even though I too at times can act like a Derek there. At the beginning of the decade, I was screaming about gay rights on the platform. Now on occasion, I scream about the idiocy of Trump and Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez (who I am now convinced are the same lizard person simply wearing different skin suits from time to time). But mostly, I try not to scream too much.

        I’m going to miss twitter mostly for Seth and Chip’s constant Georgia updates, Jeff Schultz’s snark, DOB’s Braves updates, and Andy Staples talking about food and sometimes college football. YMMV, but those are some of my favorite things about the platform.

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        • Paul

          Corch, I get Seth’s updates by text. Yours is a hilarious take on Trump and OAC. Not one I’ve heard before but it does make a twisted kind of sense. I like it.

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          • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

            The horse shoe theory about authoritarianism makes sense to me. I used to say ideology is like the face of the clock. We all start at 12 and can go right or left, but if you go too far right or left, you meet at 6 where the differences are negligible because authoritarianism is authoritarianism; it doesn’t matter if it’s left authoritarian or right authoritarian.

            But, the horseshoe theory pretty much says that without having them meet, keeping them distinct.

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      • Russ

        I totally agree about social media. I used to think it was great, but now I view it only as an amplifier for the most extreme (and often dangerous) views. I’ve never really used Twitter, but I used to be big into Facebook. Made a bunch of money on their stock. But I’ve pretty much quit it now.

        Giving everyone a voice can be good, but unfortunately not many accept the responsibilities that come with that voice.

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    • stoopnagle

      deleted facebook over a year ago. I think i’ve logged on once or twice since. did the same with twitter, but I circle back around for the sports hot takes and food stuff. I think I’ll delete it from the phone again since it definitely gets in the way of reading.

      That said, I’ve not settled on a sacrifice for lent, but found some things to do that will hopefully create good habits: drink at least 10 oz water before every meal/snack; write one old fashioned letter to someone I miss each week; routinize my breakfast/lunch. I really want to give up meat, but it’s just too hard with 3 other people in the family who just aren’t interested.

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      • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

        Well, if you’re Catholic, Second Vatican said you don’t have to give up meat, just no meat on Fridays, where fish is an acceptable substitute. Maybe go all fish for 40 days?

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    • Napoleon BonerFart

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    • MDDawg

      Good on you for the weight loss and good luck getting back on track. I’m trying to lose a couple of pounds myself. As silly as it may sound, I’ve found Weight Watchers to be a useful tool in the past. It’s not as bad as counting calories since they simplify it into counting points and you’re allowed a certain number of points per day/week depending on your starting weight and target weight. Plus they have a really great app to help keep track of everything. I definitely recommend checking it out.

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  16. Texas Dawg

    Sometimes things are just as simple as it seems. The west coast is a hell of a long way from home for a kid from the South East. People miss home and friends. You are separated from your family and friends and when you have some down time you have no way to get home to mama’s cooking.
    Oh, and also for quite some time now the teams on the West Coast have sucked. Would you want to play for a loser or stay home and potentially play for a NC?

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  17. PTC DAWG

    I’m convinced some of y’all would argue with a STOP sign.

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  18. Scott Thomas

    How much of kids not wanting to go west is that they don’t play on prime time TV? If it is all about getting to the league, playing at midnight eastern time has to mess with their draft status

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  19. stoopnagle

    Oh, FFS.

    Or maybe the programs closer to home are better resourced and higher performing? Until USC pulls its shit together, the Pac12 isn’t going to rate.

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  20. Chadwick

    There are 5 places within 20 minute drive from me that do good brisket. Y’all are too picky. Brisket here is becoming ubiquitous. Now, making and somking sausage…..that’s different and only a handful of places do that.

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    • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

      In Atlanta? I go to places where people say there’s good brisket (Fat Matts, Fox Bros, Thompson Brothers) and all I get are dried-out hunks of meat with smoke rings. GOOD brisket is not easy to find, and Heirloom is the one place I’ve found it here. It’s the miso. It keeps the brisket moist.

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      • Chadwick

        I guess you just have shitty luck.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

          Could be. Or, more likely, people don’t actually know the different between okay brisket and great brisket. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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          • Chadwick

            I’ve had great brisket at GC, Market Street, Smoke Jack and even Loyal Q. Have family deep in the heart of Tx and have eaten plenty of great brisket. I have no idea about you.

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    • Texas Dawg

      Fortunately, living in Texas, good brisket is as easy to find as nerds on campus at North Avenue Trade School.

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      • Got Cowdog

        For beef, go to the Butt-Hut just outside of Athens and have the beef ribs, if they still serve them. I’ve not had BBQ beef that I enjoyed that much in a long time, including several different brisket locations. Everything else they have there is tasty and if you’re local a good stop.

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  21. Rebar

    Well, we have a player on our team who was out west for awhile and when he came to Georgia he stated that the SEC players are bigger and faster than the Pac-12 players. I don’t think politics has anything to do with that.

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    • Napoleon BonerFart

      Republicans don’t understand basic economics.

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    • Butler Reynolds

      Athens bike lanes are progressive religious monuments.

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    • Napoleon BonerFart

      Tax cuts are bad because the state knows how to spend taxpayers’ money better than the taxpayers do. And thus, they have more moral claim over that money.

      And deficits are bad because, in order to pay down debt, the government will have to raise taxes. Which is good. Or something.

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      • MDDawg

        I don’t think that gov’t knows how to spend the money better, but I’ve honestly always had a hard time understanding how the gov’t thinks they can cut taxes without also cutting spending and somehow come out better for it. And that goes for any administration, not just this one.

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        • Napoleon BonerFart

          Through running deficits and printing money, taxes and spending have become two separate and independent issues for both parties. Republicans want to run deficits by taxing less and spending the same. Democrats want to run deficits by taxing more and spending lots more.

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          • Republicans want to run deficits by taxing less and spending the same.

            “Spending the same”? Did you look at the last budget Trump signed?

            Both parties love putting things on the credit card. They just shop at different stores.

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            • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

              100% true. And sad. The GOP gave up their fiscal conservative roots when they embraced “social conservatism” which is not in any way conservative, in the same way the Democrats gave up the tenants of liberalism as they’ve embraced neo progressivism, which is not, in any way, liberal.

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            • Napoleon BonerFart

              “Trump … said Hill Republicans were “forced to increase spending” in order to attract Democratic votes.”
              The point stands. The Democratic objections to Republican budgets are consistently that they aren’t large enough.

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              • The Democrats made us do it! LMAO.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  sigh
                  I’m not arguing that one side is more fiscally responsible than the other. I’m simply acknowledging the reality of their strategies. Republicans want to spend less than Democrats, but tax less. Democrats want high taxes and higher spending. If you take issue with that, I guess you believe the bumper sticker slogans.

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                • Ooh, a sigh!

                  Did you happen to notice this little tidbit from the budget article I linked? (You should have; it’s the sentence just before the Trump line you mentioned.)

                  Trump tweeted that the bill, which gives the Pentagon an additional $165 billion, was a “big victory” for the US military.

                  You really want to insist that was something the Democrats were jonesing for?

                  Trump is currently handing out billions to the ag sector. Democrats pushing him to do that, too?

                  As far as bumper sticker slogans go, you’re the guy trying to sum everything up in a couple of trite sentences.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  Yes. A sigh. Republicans want to expand the military? Where’s my fainting couch?

                  No, military spending isn’t something I think the Democrats are big on. Agriculture subsidies? You can’t get more bipartisan than that.

                  How about something the parties disagree on? For example, every Democrat presidential hopeful has endorsed AOC’s New Green Deal. The price tag for that is somewhere north of “Holy Shit!”

                  So yes, fighter jets that can’t fly in bad weather is costly and wasteful. But compared to high speed rail across the nation and Medicare for all, it’s a rounding error. And at least deficits racked up through tax cuts are accomplished by letting people keep their own money. I can appreciate that.

                  But please, keep telling me how virtuous the Dems are by opposing those pennies wasted on building a wall.

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                • I’m not discussing levels of virtue. I’m simply pointing out that your insistence that Republicans are the bunch in favor of spending less is bullshit.

                  You can carry on now.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  It’s bullshit only if you believe Democrat talking points. Look at every budget debate. Democrats object to “draconian cuts” that Republicans propose.

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                • It’s bullshit if you believe math, man.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  I’m well versed in math. Particular the > concept. But keep telling me how tanks > free shit for everybody.

                  Trump’s wall is $25 billion. High speed rail in one part of California was $100 billion. Now, Democrats want to build that out everywhere. Democrats want to take the Medicare for those over 65 (which has racked up $100 trillion in debt) and expand it to all ages. And you seriously think the Republicans planes and tanks compare? I can’t believe you’re that naive.

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                • None of that has anything to do with my position here, which was already stated:

                  Both parties love putting things on the credit card. They just shop at different stores.

                  Somehow you are convinced that’s an argument worthy of rejection.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  I’m not the one who jumped in to argue. I accepted the notion that both parties pursue deficit spending. You felt the need to argue that my position that Republicans desire to spend less than Democrats was wrong. The recent endorsement of AOC’s Green New Deal by party leaders shows that not only are you wrong, you’re wrong by orders of magnitude.

                  Do the parties have different spending priorities? Of course. I’ve never argued otherwise.

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                • Don’t really think desire matters as much as actual spending, but YMMV.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  Well, you’ve got to go on something. Will the Democrats really enact the GND with untold trillions of spending? Hopefully not. Does that mean the party that proposes spending those trillions is just as fiscally responsible as the party that opposes the spending? Not really.

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                • Who knows? If you’d have asked me three years ago if Republicans would become the party of tariffs, I would have scoffed at the idea.

                  Political expedience rules. And I don’t think one party is more virtuous than the other in that regard.

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  22. Tommy Perkins

    I love it when Southerners decry California as “liberal.” Almost as if Nixon, Regan and Schwarzenegger had never been governor there. And “Gov. Moonbeam” Jerry Brown is as much or more a fiscal conservative as any Republican currently in office.

    Some people need to get out more.

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    • illinidawg

      These morons just spout the party line. Fuck em.

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    • AthensHomerDawg

      you need to get out more. California is a blue state,as is nevada,new mexico,arizona and soon texas. The electorate of those states have been changed for the next 3 generations. Ask me how.

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      • Tommy

        It’s a huge state, which I lived in. Go ahead, tell me how blue Orange County, Sacramento and the Central Valley are.

        And I live in Texas too, so you can spare me the lecture there.

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        • Napoleon BonerFart

          The fact that California isn’t one homogeneous blob of leftists means the population of the state, on average, isn’t leftist? In spite of the last few decades of election results suggesting otherwise? Interesting.

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          • Tommy Perkins

            Left of what? Trump? Sport, 2/3 of the country are leftists if that’s your measuring stick.

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            • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

              Umm… Trump is not conservative. At all. He’s a populist.

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              • Tommy Perkins

                Given that government has always expanded and never once shrunk under the party of limited governement in my lifetime, pardon me if I no longer have any idea what the term “conservative” means.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

                  That is 100% correct. As I responded to the Senator below, the GOP embraced social conservativism and is no longer conservative in the same way the Democrats have embraced neo progressivism and are no longer liberal.

                  That doesn’t mean that there aren’t still liberals and conservatives in the classical sense; it’s just that they no longer control the platforms of the two major parties in this country.

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                • Tommy Perkins

                  College-educated voters disproportionately favor Democrats (https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/11/education-gap-explains-american-politics/575113/), something exacerbated by Trump’s popularity among non-college-educated voters, and that’s a pretty nuanced bunch that you can’t rally with wedge issues like “GUNS!” or “ABORTION!” I’ve done a lot of canvassing in “liberal” (whatever that means) Austin and, depending on the neighborhood you’re in, you’ll be talking about healthcare, climate change, immigration (which, again has layers to it, depending on whether you’re talking to tech workers or hispanic families), education, trade, etc. But you can’t rail about one of those issues and assume that those passionate about any of the others will fall in line.

                  That’s why “Never Trump” was hopelessly impotent from the start – the GOP is dominated by single-issue voters who happily abandon whatever faint notion of ideology they hold in order to defend that one issue. It was only ever “Never a Clinton.”

                  That’s why, in describing what’s going on with either party, I steer away from trying to generalize about various -isms.

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                • Tommy Perkins

                  Assuming your preference isn’t to let random web sites you’ve googled do your talking for you, perhaps you’ll humor us by providing context on the link you’ve pasted.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  The logical fallacy you’ve employed is the appeal to accomplishment. It’s defined on the link I gave. But your prior post was a classic example

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                • Tommy Perkins

                  Clearly, you didn’t read past the first sentence of my post before scrambling off to the googles. Try again.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

                  And what does that have to do with anything I said? Congratulations. “College educated” people are just as dumb as blue collar people. That’s what that says to me, at least.

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                • Tommy Perkins

                  My comment wasn’t addressed to you. I’m not making a point about the relative intellects of different party voters. Just noting that one group is harder to corral than the other and pointing to a possible explanation why. College-educated people tend to have more disposable income and have a broader set of interests, and therefore are harder to target with a single wedge issue. Karl Rove, Lee Atwater and others have made a living off of this notion for decades.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

                  I don’t see that at all Tommy. In fact, I would say college educated people tend to flock together and believe what they’re told in much the same way; especially people who’ve graduated in the last ten years or so. They’re not taught to question authority or the world around them any longer, so they’re no longer better prepared in that regard than those with a high school education who went right into the workforce or to a trade school.

                  To say that college educated people have varied interests because they have more money is ignorant. They have different interests, perhaps. Also, being college educated provides the opportunity to make more money, but that’s also highly dependent on the degree and motivation to work. Idiots who graduated Ivy League Schools with 200K in student loan debt and an English degree or Sociology degree aren’t going to make jack shit in their lifetime. Idiots who graduated state schools with 40K in student loan debt and an English degree or Sociology degree still won’t make jack shit in their lifetime.

                  It’s all about our choices, in the end. People are people, and most people, regardless of education level, tend to flock together, and since higher education has been rendered a joke by far left academics who have abandoned the Socratic ideal and work to indoctrinate instead of to teach their students to question, the flocks just keep getting bigger while amount of individuals who possess healthy skepticism get smaller.

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                • Tommy Perkins

                  You’re welcome to your generalizations about what goes on in college classrooms (I’ve got a couple of Wharton grad clients who are imminently capable of handling their student debt, and I’m pretty sure they’re not outliers), but you’re not addressing why Republican voters are so monolithic and Democrat voters aren’t.

                  Hell, let’s say I’m wrong about a postsecondary education and money broadening one’s interests. The research on that is pretty conclusive, but let’s just say you’re right anyway.

                  Let’s take the example of a bunch of evangelicals not just voting for Trump, but claiming he’s an emissary from God. He is a walking violation of every one of their purported values and ideologies, but he gave lip service to what they want on the Supreme Court (even though they aren’t getting in recent rulings what was promised), so they’re in his pocket as long as he’s a Republican.

                  I can’t come up with an example of a Democrat using a single issue to line up a voter bloc that would otherwise want nothing to do with that politician? Don’t say “civil rights” — that’s a body of law that spans multiple categories — voting rights, law enforcement, redlining, etc. I’m talking about something as specific and singular as gun access or abortion.

                  Again, this isn’t about one party’s voters being smarter than the other party’s voters. That’s got nothing to do with the point I’ve made.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  If you actually believe that Democrats are any more thoughtful and analytic than Republicans, what can I say? Good for you. I’m sure you’re happy in your insular world as long as flyover rubes clinging to their God and guns don’t intrude. Also, try not to pay attention to voting correlation with demographics.
                  FWIW, you really should educate yourself on logical fallacies. It makes it easier to see past the good guys vs. bad guys political theater.

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                • Tommy Perkins

                  This is the second time I’ve pointed out to you that you’re not reading the posts you’re attempting to rebut. I think we’re done here. This isn’t baseball.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  You incorrectly move the goalposts when faced with criticism. It’s a bad habit. Declaring flatly that Republican voters are monolithic, single issue voters and Democrats are less so isn’t an argument. You’re just spouting the same old #OrangeManBad slogans based on nothing.

                  Some Republicans are single issue voters on the military, or religion, or family values, etc. And just as many Democrats are single issue voters on abortion, or #MeToo, or welfare, or whatever.

                  You remind me of the story of Pauline Kael, who was surprised Nixon beat McGovern in a landslide. Paraphrased, she stated, “I can’t believe Nixon won. I don’t know anyone who voted for him.” Just because you don’t live around, nor associate with, flyover plebes doesn’t mean they think and act the way NPR portrays them to. You should get out more.

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                • Tommy Perkins

                  Nope. The goalposts have only been monothic vs. fragmented. You tried to manipulate this into playing into “Democrats are elitist” talking points spoonfed to you by Fox, but no one took that bait, so now you’re back to square one.

                  Kansas slashed its main source of revenue and was indeed forced to cut spending on education and infrastructure, along with everything that ultimately leads to GDP growth, which is why they lag their neighbors. And why they no longer have a Republican governor.

                  Clearly, now that you’ve got your jaws locked on that high speed rail bone, you’re never going to let it go. So I guess it’ll just have to come as a surprise to you that government exists to provide services, not to pay back dividends.

                  If you want to prove your #bothsides point, name a Democrat who’s won an election purely on a #MeToo, abortion, etc.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  Wrong again. You don’t respond well to someone refuting your premise. Stick the points instead of roaming afield.

                  The entire notion behind your premise that Republicans are single issue voters, while Democrats (who go to college) are more nuanced in their political analysis, is an elitist and emotional logical fallacy that is unsupported.

                  You’re half right about Kansas. They “cut” spending in the sense that they slowed the growth of spending. From 2000 to 2009, Kansas spending increased every year by around $1.15 billion. From 2010 to 2016, spending was “cut” to only increasing $0.38 billion per year. And that was also during the bad economy, so taxes would have been lower even at prior levels. What just might have worked out great would have been some tax cuts combined with ACTUAL spending cuts.

                  Agree to disagree on the purpose of government. To you, it’s about goodies. To me, it’s more about protection from invasion and ensuring one’s rights are respected.

                  As far as getting back to single issue voters, I can’t name a Democrat who’s won an election purely on a single issue. Of course, I also can’t name a Republican who’s done it. The “Rent is Too Damn High” guy was a single issue politician. But he wasn’t a Democrat or Republican. Single issue voters exist in both parties. That doesn’t mean the politicians they vote for subscribe to the same mindset.

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              • Trump is nothing but an ignorant fool; a “populist” who defrauds the majority of the American populace. You’ve drunk the Kool-Aid. Enjoy the ether.

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                • Tommy Perkins

                  Actually, the majority of the American populace voted against him.

                  /cue electorical college lecture in 3 … 2 … 1 …

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    • Napoleon BonerFart

      Nothing quite as fiscally conservative as those high speed trains to nowhere. That’s the future. Whatever the cost, it’s worth it to shave minutes off the drive from Bakersfield to Merced. #MoonbeamLegacy

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      • Tommy Perkins

        Yeah, let’s talk about staking one’s political fortunes to pointless, multi-billion-dollar infrastructure projects. At least California didn’t declare a state of emergency to get it funded.

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        • Napoleon BonerFart

          No need. It’s a one-party state. And even the one party is starting to back away from the boondoggle.

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          • Tommy Perkins

            You’ll really enjoy your first visit there.

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            • Napoleon BonerFart

              Will I discover high levels of Republican representation in state government that’s been misrepresented in the media? As someone who has visited the state, can you point out the errors the journalists who live in California have made on reporting specifics of state government?

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              • Tommy Perkins

                I get it. You don’t like Democrats, because they’re not Republicans. If someone held a gun to your head and demanded that you explain the difference between Keynes and Friedman, your life would be over in seconds. “Liberal” and “conservative” are just buzzwords you use to dismiss or embrace people you know nothing about.

                As I’ve said, neither party has the remotest interest in limiting government – certainly not the party that seeks to legislate what bathroom you can use, whom you can marry and which rolls over and plays dead when a president wants to sidestep Congress and the Constitution in order to fund a fruitless infrastructure project.

                But if this Democrat/Republican thing is why you won’t be one more person ahead of me on the trails at Yosemite, Mt. Tam, Tahoe or Big Sur, or why you won’t be taking up a spot at one of the wineries in Sonoma, then fine by me. Stay in your safe space and leave the rest of the world to those of us broadminded enough to enjoy it.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  You don’t get it. I don’t like Republicans, either. But I especially don’t like cheerleaders who mindlessly cheer one party over the other using shifting priorities and logic. For example, claiming that $25 billion to build a border wall is too much, yet spending $100 billion on a high speed rail project that nobody thinks is a good idea is fine.
                  Personally, I like the radical idea that everybody should be left alone to live their own lives, free from the nanny state interfering. That means if you want to marry another man, no problem. But it also means that if a Christian baker doesn’t want to bake you a wedding cake, you don’t get to kidnap him and put him in a cage for hurting your feelings. That kind of a world is scary to some who think they need the government to protect them from people who think differently.
                  As for economics, I think Rothbard said it best. “It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a ‘dismal science.’ But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.”

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                • Tommy Perkins

                  Again, soapboxing and rebutting points I haven’t made. Enjoy your Friday.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  Also, I don’t know if you’re near San Francisco or not. But there is an online map tracking reports of shit in the streets. It might be helpful for you while navigating the great leftist Utopia.

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                • Tommy Perkins

                  Actually (and as I clearly stated earlier), I live in the leftist Utopia of Austin, which has a AAA bond rating, 2.8% unemployment, and 20th lowest violent crime rate of the US’ 90 largest metros (about 45 spots above Atlanta). It’s terrible here. Stay where you are.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  It’s a deal. The crime rate of my sleepy hamlet makes Austin look like Chicago. But given that I haven’t visited Chicago recently, I’m sure it’s a bastion of right wing policies amirite?

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                • Tommy Perkins

                  I think they’re a little left of Kansas, where Republicans’ “experiment” with limited government cratered the state’s bond rating, led to a nearly $1B budget shortfall, shrank the state’s GDP growth relative to neighboring states and caused the state to drastically reduce funding to education and infrastructure.

                  But on the plus side, there are plenty of sleepy hamlets in Kansas, so help yourself to it.

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  Exactly how much did Kansas drastically reduce spending? The reports I’ve seen state that tax cuts combined with refusing to cut spending is what caused the deficit spending.

                  On the plus side, at least Kansas allowed taxpayers to keep some of their own money. I suppose the Keynesian thing to do would be to build high speed rail from Dodge City to Wichita, eh? Then everybody wins!

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  23. W Cobb Dawg

    We visit Cali every year. Endless number of things to see and do. Generally find well educated and well traveled people who can speak intelligently on a variety of subjects and have many interests. They love the outdoors and their lifestyles. I’d argue most US citizens don’t have the slightest idea how wealthy and vibrant this nation is until you visit the west coast cities.

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  24. I’ve got news for them – it’s not just west coast higher institutions of learning. It’s almost all of them across the nation, especially the public ones.

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  25. W Cobb Dawg

    Starting to think Crean played Greg Mediocrity for a sucker.

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  26. UGA '97

    Chris Petersen, Mike Leach and Kevin Sumlin beg to differ.

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