Today, in amateurism

Remember, kids, it’s what’s on the front of the jersey that counts.

The NCAA graciously thanks Zion for his service.

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  1. Derek

    If he likes playing for Duke in exchange for a scholly under these circumstances then great.

    If he doesn’t, he should quit immediately and hire an agent who will no doubt attend to his every need (except putting him on a national stage over the next 3 weekends that is.)

    Whatever is in the kid’s best interests is good with me.

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    • If “whatever is in the kid’s best interest” is your standard here, then why should he face a binary choice as you suggest? Why shouldn’t he have the option of playing for Duke and receiving third-party compensation?

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      • 3rdandGrantham

        Right, just like the NCAA athletes from foreign countries who also are on their Olympic teams, in which they are permitted to collect millions while attending school as an NCAA athletes here?

        Wasn’t there a recent story about a track and field athlete from Europe attending Oregon or wherever who made something like 7 mil last year?

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    • 3rdandGrantham

      Derek – of all people, you’re the last one I’d suspect would be arguing against this. Given your Uber progressive stance, I thought for sure you’d be screaming about how these athletes are being expoited. Instead, you’re basically saying they have it good so stop whining.

      Especially considering all the white athletes from other sports like swimming and tennis who are allowed to rake in 5 and 6 figure amounts off their talents while competing in the NCAA’s, I’ve been waiting for you to scream that all of this is racist, in which if Zion, Gurley, or anyone else of note was white, surely they’d be allowed to keep any money thrown their way.

      What’s next – you’re jumping on the Trump bandwagon and will be volunteering for the 2020 campaign?

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      • Derek

        MAGA!!!

        Just kidding.

        I just think compensation, whether direct or third party, is opening pandora’s box.

        Its not that I’m not sympathetic. I do think that they should have every need met so long as that money train is good.

        If I thought there was a workable solution, I’d consider it, I just can’t conjure one and no one has shared one that actually is workable.

        I also want to be equally fair not only to the Todd Gurley’s but to the anonymous nobodies for whom the educational aspect is vital.

        These elite kids know the deal:

        its a scholly for national TV exposure that you might turn into a signing bonus when eligible.

        My view is that once you’ve got that locked down, you’re free to walk. Some, like Todd and Marcus Lattimore, should have.

        I have no problem with guys like Baker sitting if that’s in their interest. What the pay for play crowd misses is that no one is opting for the money over any so-called “free” pursuit they feel is worthwhile. Isn’t that the market speaking too?

        In other words, whats the market value of Trevor Lawrence’s appearance in the national championship game to him and his future earnings? Should Clemson create a debit account on his future earnings? After all of Trevor were playing up the road at Wofford, no one would know who the fuck he is.

        As it is with most things, its complicated. But I think the idea of kids working towards getting a scholarship to play sports they will never earn a dime playing is a great system even if there is an elite few who are viewed as being held back financially because of pro league eligibility rules. Its those rules that are fucked and should change, not the NCAA’s in my view.

        For that elite few, they can choose to stop playing for less than they think they are worth anytime. If Leveon Bell can, so can they.

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        • CB

          Have you ever worked in college athletics? You’re always talking about this nebulous Pandora’s Box, but I’m wondering what your actual experience is with the industry.

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      • Charlottedawg

        Actually given amatuerism is effectively socialism, Derek’s stance is actually intellectually consistent. As a die hard capitalist what I find more hypocritical are “conservatives” who vehemently defend the NCAA cartel running a business on free labor.

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        • Derek

          For some capitalism begins and ends at the plantation.

          College sports isn’t as harsh as the free market, nor should it be. I hate the idea that kids get run off because they get hurt or it turns out they’re just not that good. That’s a recruiting mistake that should be on the coach not the kid.

          These kids wanting a free market at 18 are asking for all sorts of problems. There is plenty of time for playing for your very life. That’s what NFL players do every day.

          Every day the front office wants to find someone younger and cheaper than your sorry ass. That’s a no fun league and all business. The money may be really good for some, but its a tough, tough life and it should start after college IMHO.

          These kids should take the opportunity to get an education. The pros are for a very few and even for them life is “nasty, brutish and short.”

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          • You seem to be all about binary choices today. Why does education have to be sacrificed in the name of a pay check?

            UGA just spent $63 million to give recruits a nice place to hang out on game day. I haven’t noticed the world collapse in the wake of that.

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            • Derek

              Who said “sacrificed?” I didn’t.

              I’ve simply said, and repeatedly, that there is no workable free market solution that makes any of this fairer. I’ve asked for one. It doesn’t come. Ever.

              I can think of a million ways it all goes wrong. I can’t get one answer that says it all goes right except, the clusterfuck is worth it because the schools will have less $ that way.

              So given the choice between the clusterfuck I see from direct and 3rd party payment, and the paradise promised without any specifics or description whatsoever, my choice is an easy one.

              I know you hate South Park’s “underwear pants gnome” analogy, but it really is the business model I’ve been presented thus far.

              Pay players — ?????????? — Profit!!!

              I’m completely unconvinced by it. In fact, I find that it insults my intelligence to believe that any direct pay or third party pay won’t come with a million seen and unforeseen consequences which are of little benefit all because a handful of players a year can be identified as possibly being grossly underpaid. A prism that only exists because the colleges created the forum btw.

              If there were no college sports an 18 year old Todd Gurley is worth exactly what on the free market?

              To UGA and Alabama he may be worth a ton because of tv contracts signed years before he was thought of.

              What’s Todd worth to Kennesaw State? Somewhat less ain’t he?

              If we were negotiating between UGA and Kennesaw we could get him cheap. Between UF and UGA all of a sudden it goes through the roof. Why?

              What’s the benefit to Todd of playing in a conference under a TV contract that he had not a damn thing to do with creating? I’d say quite a bit more than a scholly and COA.

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              • You are watching high schoolers get paid on the black market left and right and your problem is that it’s too hard to figure out what Todd Gurley is worth? Puhleeze.

                If you’re upset that your intelligence is being insulted, perhaps you should stop insulting it.

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                • Derek

                  Thanks for the insults and the continued non-answer answers.

                  They’re equally enlightening.

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                  • You’ve made it clear you can’t be enlightened. You can’t get someone to predict the future for you in a way you find acceptable. All you can see are unforeseen circumstances, even though you don’t have any better grasp of the future than the folks you blame for not giving you predictions. You claim to be at a loss as to what players’ market value might be, despite evaluations being made every day.

                    Oh, and your topper: “What’s the benefit to Todd of playing in a conference under a TV contract that he had not a damn thing to do with creating?” Right, because if there’s one thing my post shows, it’s that Greg McGarity, who helped create a TV contract, has more value than Zion Williamson, who didn’t.

                    If you don’t want insults, come up with a more coherent position and I’ll be happy to engage with you on that level.

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                    • Derek

                      Acceptable prediction? I’d say there’s been none at all. Zero. Nada.

                      My concern that every business owner in Alabama will sponsor every kid at Alabama making competition impossible for any of the less craven among the membership? Unanswered, but apparently worth it for some reason without explanation other than: shut up stupid!

                      I’d didn’t say there wasn’t a market, I said that market is largely built before these kids have been conceived and that they benefit greatly from a stage they did not build themselves. It’s an observation.

                      I’m also noting that the market is different in an arena where the market has been established by generations of schools, coaches and fans than came way before Zion and that the market where it hasn’t been built yet would have far less use for a superstar. Also an observation.

                      I’ve repeatedly tried to engage in a “what if” scenario on this question in an attempt to see if the effort to correct this perceived evil would be worth the what appear to be to be obvious costs.

                      Those efforts are always disregarding as needless pointless and senseless. This isn’t about being unable to engage in an intelligent debate on my part, it’s that I can’t find a partner.

                      But I don’t mind trying again:

                      In a world of 3rd party payers, how does anyone stop Alabama from having the best 125 kids at all times? Assuming that they would simply buy them all up, why is that an advancement of the game?

                      I know, I know: “shut up stupid”, I got it.

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                    • CB

                      “that market is largely built before these kids have been conceived and that they benefit greatly from a stage they did not build”

                      This is he case for every professional sports league that exists outside of maybe the AAF. So what’s your point? Should no professional athletes get paid simply because the league has existed before they were born? Hell that’s the case for most industries in the global economy. Should nobody eat paid for anything ever if they didn’t create the industry they work in? This is your biggest talking point and it makes the least amount of sense. It’s not applicable my any other metric to any other market.

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                    • CB

                      Forgive the typos.

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                    • FlyingPeakDawg

                      Alabama is getting the best players now. Not all of them you say? Right, because other schools offer a competing value proposition that is better to some kids. In your apocalypse of a bidding war, will UGA, Texas, USC, Auburn, etc. boosters back down to Bama money? Oh my! That almost seems like a free market setting the value for players! And if scholarship limits can be imposed, why couldn’t payroll limits exist too? (In fact, they do now in the form of the stipends.). Players earning money…legally…outside the system should be fine. Jake can do a car ad, but can’t wear an UGA jersey. If that sells more cars in Macon, whoopie. Over time if the market (e.g. fans) don’t like it, the eyeballs leave, TV money goes down, and the auto dealers only offer a little walking around money for the kid’s appearance in a midnight ad during WWE reruns on local TV.

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                    • CB

                      Luxury tax and salary caps are working just fine for the pros, but apparently it couldn’t work in college. Smh.

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          • CB

            I’m confused. It seems like you’re acknowledging that kids are already cut from the program by coaches who deem they are no longer worthy of the scholarship. We also have decades of proof that the NFL with collective bargained CBA’s is much more safe for players as opposed to the ones that die playing under the “protections” of the NCAA. Given all these facts it seems like you just don’t want them to have money. Not seeing how their payment would effect your life at all, unless of course you have an NCAA affiliation.

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            • Derek

              I don’t have a problem with them having money.

              Just not a salary or from endorsing products.

              The point I’m making about the history of the value of the market is simply to point out that the players are getting a fairly valuable stage upon which to play and no one includes that value onto the scholly, coa, stipends, tutors, etc…. Its not nothing. Its a very valuable stage for them.

              Of course the nfl made its market before these kids were born too but no one complains about how much money Jerry jones makes. The UGAAA not so much.

              The nfl has a union, a draft, a salary cap and all sorts of controls to try to make it a fair and competitive league.

              You want to bring all that to college? Who gets the first pick of the 2020 high school player draft? I kinda like the kids deciding where they go personally.

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              • The nfl has a union, a draft, a salary cap and all sorts of controls to try to make it a fair and competitive league.

                You want to bring all that to college?

                This is the part of your argument I really don’t get.

                The relief sought in Alston would result in the conferences competing against each other regarding compensation. The only way you get an NFL situation is (a) with an antitrust exemption and (b) a CBA with a players union, neither of which exist. So where are you getting this from?

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                • Derek

                  Does it really end there? Really?

                  Why do the plaintiffs in Alston get to decide the manner and means of compensation rather than seeking a ruling about whether it can or can’t be prevented?

                  If kids going to candy would get the same money as a kid going to Alabama I don’t suppose I’d have an issue with that IF any additional third party compensation were prohibited. I do wonder how seriously anyone will take those issues once they’re treated as salaried employees. And then I go back to my initial question. Where does this all end?

                  Also are the players and aspirants in non-revenue sports going to suffer as a result of the need to allocate resources to football and bb players? I just don’t think that’s a good trade off. At all.

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                  • Derek

                    Candy should be vandy. Spellcheck sux.

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                  • Why do the plaintiffs in Alston get to decide the manner and means of compensation rather than seeking a ruling about whether it can or can’t be prevented?

                    You’ve inverted Alston. Plaintiffs didn’t ask to decide manner and means of compensation; they’ve simply asked that the NCAA be stopped from doing so. They’re fine with each conference setting compensation rules, as long as that’s done in the absence of collusion with other conferences.

                    That’s why I don’t get your concerns about what would come. The SEC could go wild west, it could impose a cap on compensation or it could continue the status quo. Nobody knows what would come, but in the end, the market would sort that out.

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                  • Derek

                    And I’m apprehensive about that. For a lot of reasons.

                    I fear:

                    Injured and not great upperclassmen being shown the door despite academic progress made
                    Non-revenue sports being diminished or eliminated
                    Money related violations being taken less seriously
                    Players and schools taking the academic mission even less seriously or disconnecting them altogether

                    I also think it possible that the other conferences would cede to whole thing to the sec knowing they’ll never outbid them under those rules. In other words I could foresee a scenario where the acc, big 10 and PAC 12 and ND pre-emptively just saying: we’re at zero and staying there and we aren’t playing anyone who isn’t at zero too.

                    I just don’t see any panacea there and the whole thing goes in the opposite direction that I think college sports should be going which is playing college sports with college students. Colleges should stop being nurseries for the NBA and NFL and be, you know, colleges.

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                    • Colleges should stop being nurseries for the NBA and NFL and be, you know, colleges.

                      They could do that tomorrow. Of course, that would mean giving up billions.

                      The point here is that you’re putting it all on the student-athletes when reality is different.

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                    • Derek

                      If the nfl and nba opened the doors to guys out of hs, college sports would not collapse.

                      CBB survived Lebron, Garnett, Kobe, Moses Malone, etc…. skipping college just fine.

                      If you put Harvard’s team in UGA uniforms and Yale’s in Auburn’s, and ran them out there, you’d still have 90,000 plus in the stands. TVs would still be on and gamblers would still gamble. I don’t know why anyone would doubt that. We want UGA vs Auburn. It’s doesn’t have to be Cam vs. Stafford. We’d watch Chris Todd vs. Greyson Lambert and no one will get those guys confused with pro prospects. The fact that there’s the occasional super star who will draw eyes doesn’t change the fact that the sport is built nearly exclusively on school identity and loyalty.

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                    • First of all, you act as if tons of players would be affected. That’s untrue. Very few high schoolers would make the jump to the NBA, and even fewer to the NFL.

                      Your last paragraph is projection disguised as analysis. Coming from a guy who demands somebody provide him with a logical projection of the future if compensation becomes more market-based, that’s amusing.

                      And again, if what’s on the front of the jersey is all that matters, then why aren’t D-1 programs acting in such a way already? Think of the additional money they could be banking by not spending millions every year on coaches, administrators and facilities.

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                    • Derek

                      If the nfl or nba won’t pay them, then why should the colleges? If the pro leagues are offering less than tuition, coa, tutors, etc, etc., then where is this exploitation?

                      There’s more money in winning and that is player driven. No matter the pool of available players it’s always better to have better players. That doesn’t mean that the best available player has to be Todd Gurley.

                      If the best available player were Chris Conley, a great athlete and student, the colleges would compete over him. Why wouldn’t they?

                      For example, if I were trying to start a gang of armed nut jobs would would fight to the death in a gladiator ring for entertainment to line my pockets, I might want to recruit from our nations illustrious prisons. If the league rules were, “no prisoners” I’d adjust to the next best available group right?

                      If ex-nfl players were eligible to play for saban would he sign them? Of course he would. Everyone would.

                      Just because they want to best doesn’t mean the sport rises and falls on the best. If we in the south wanted to watch the best players we’d be more nfl friendly than we are, wouldnt we?

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                    • Jesus, man, we’re talking in circles here. Why should the colleges? Because they don’t have an antitrust exemption and a CBA with the players.

                      I don’t know why you’re fighting this so hard. The pros aren’t breaking the law. The NCAA is.

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                    • Derek

                      Even without the exemption though the colleges could, in the absence of collusion, say “we’re paying $0”, right?

                      In case you’re wondering, I’m saying that’s the right answer.

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                    • In a market-based world, if an individual conference wanted to opt out of player compensation, it could certainly do so and that would be fine with me… in the absence of collusion with other conferences.

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              • CB

                You’re the only person that thinks paying players and a draft aren’t mutually exclusive. Nobody else says. I’ll reiterate, nobody. I’d move past it. Just makes you sound out of touch with reality.

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                • Derek

                  I usually like to be with the herd. It’s more comfortable that way.

                  You really know how to hurt a guy.

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                  • CB

                    At what point does it become clear that you’re way out in left field with your whole doomsday college football draft scenario? If you truly believe that is a realistic possibility then please provide some sources. Sounds like a nonsense talking point that you’ve decided to dig in on for some reason, but if not please enlighten us.

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                    • Derek

                      My source is the nfl, nba and mlb. Drafts were instated to fairly distribute talent rather than have every player be a free agent. It saves money and creates competitive balance. Without it, the sport would look like it belongs only to those with the deepest pockets.

                      Get it?

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                    • CB

                      That ain’t a source, you’re just drawing a correlation that isn’t there. Might as well say if they pay players then they have to use NFL hashmarks and NBA 3 point line. Hell, if we’re gonna pay players then Georgia has to change their mascot to the Falcons right? Logically we have no choice after all. But then the basketball team will have to be the hawks because that only makes sense. Wow, too complicated. I guess we just can’t pay players now.

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                    • Without it, the sport would look like it belongs only to those with the deepest pockets.

                      Unlike now in CFB, I suppose.

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                    • Derek

                      Pretty sure that an AD will be caught at a “rub and a tug” in south Florida if we start paying players.

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            • Derek

              And my main point is that Alabama backer businesses will outbid everyone and they’ll have the kids on the payroll beginning about 8th grade. They just will. That’s how they roll. No one will be willing to match what they will be willing to pay.

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              • CB

                The numbers don’t support your claim. According to this Tennessee spends more than anyone. Stop going with your gut and check some facts.

                http://db.desmoinesregister.com/college-football-recruiting

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                • Derek

                  I’m not talking about the school. I’m talking about endorsement deals. Pretty sure it says businesses in the post. Yep. Looked again and it does say “Alabama backer businesses.”

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                  • CB

                    You do understand that Alabama’s athletic department is currently funded in part by business that donate money right? You think more are just going to spring up out of nowhere if they start paying athletes? It’s becoming more and more clear that you don’t have a firm grasp of how college athletics works behind the scenes.

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                    • Derek

                      The issue has been raised that players should be able to sell their likeness.

                      A business presumably would be the one to buy that.

                      I’m suggesting that Alabama businesses would pay exorbitant amounts to whomever Saban directed them to pay.

                      Get it?

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                    • CB

                      Yeah, I get it. You think Alabama businesses have more money than national brands that could also buy their likeness.

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                    • Derek

                      That’s exactly what I said.

                      I said that Nike would pay less for a 4 star safety from Northport than a Tuscaloosa car dealership because Nike is cash strapped.

                      You’re on it, dude. Can’t fool you.

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                    • CB

                      😂😂😂😂 that makes sense. Phil Knight is about to sign Zion to a $100 million deal but he can’t compete with Tuscaloosa Ford Lincoln Mercury. You win.

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                    • CB

                      Plus, Nike will sign athletes from anywhere not just Oregon. They might be in Oregon, but their job is to drive revenue.

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                  • Derek

                    How much $ would Nike pay Clay Webb while in HS?

                    How much $ would Saban direct Clay Webb’s way to get his LOI?

                    Even if you think Nike would pay Clay without strings, i.e., if you play at Oregon, what does it matter what those companies do if other businesses will be using their money to influence where kids play?

                    It’s not really about who has more is it?

                    It’s really about whose backers are willing to pay the most to 4 and 5 stars that the coach wants. I don’t see anyone competing with Alabama in that forum.

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        • As a die hard capitalist what I find more hypocritical are “conservatives” who vehemently defend the NCAA cartel running a business on free labor.

          It sure is. I’m convinced that jealousy, in large part, drives this position. Every time I have this conversation among friends and one of them says to me that they would have killed to get a free ride and all the perks that football and basketball players at a big time program like UGA receive, my standard response is – “Well, did you try being better at football or basketball?”

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          • Got Cowdog

            “Of course I did, Audit. But at 5’6, 127lbs, and a blistering 5.5 40 there just wasn’t a market for my skills.”

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            • Derek

              Cross country was an option….at least before they spent all the
              money on the “one and dones.”

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              • Got Cowdog

                My cross country time was measured in moon phases according to our coach.
                “Jeez-us Christ Cowdog! I thought I was gonna have to send out a search party! Did you get fucking lost?”
                Was his opinion of my athletic ability

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          • atlasshrugged55

            I got the free ride, the awesome experience of playing Between the Hedges & many other great stadiums, becoming friends w/ folks I never would have were it not for football & a free eduction. (Yes, I got my BBA.)

            To me, you can’t put a price or salary figure on the whole experience. I wouldn’t trade it for a salaried model, not that I was good enough to have been paid.

            Sadly, I have teammates who didn’t take advantage of the education no matter how hard Coach Dooley stressed the importance. Many of them aren’t in great situations today. And I would imagine had they been paid they would’ve spent it unwisely & still be in the same situation that they’re in today.

            I don’t profess to have the solution but those advocating paying kids are guilty of not understanding & appreciating the value of what does come in the current set-up. Maybe experiences don’t matter to some but I’ll have to disagree. And my degree allows me to earn more money each year I work than if I didn’t have the degree.

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            • CB

              I’m going to go ahead and guess that many of your less successful teammates probably didn’t come from the same background as you.

              As for your other point. Since when has fiscal responsibility been a prerequisite for earning a paycheck. This is America. It’s not legal to withhold payment from someone because they aren’t (or might not be) good with money.

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            • CB

              If you don’t believe me check the long list of crooked CEO’s that bankrupts companies and ruin people’s lives.

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        • Chadwick

          exactly. Socialist Derek likes the current socialist NCAA system. The players work for the state and are compensated what the state grants. It’s for the good of the state. These kids don’t know that it’s Baby Boomer individualism that ruined this country. Lol.

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          • Derek

            Why don’t you share your capitalistic ideals with the NFL owners?

            I’m sure they’d love to give up:

            worst team picks first
            best team picks last
            worst team gets easiest schedule
            best team gets hardest schedule
            salary caps

            Jerry Jones just bought a 250 million dollar yacht from those so very harsh “law of the jungle” rules.

            And while you’re doing that…and as usual gfy!

            You’re like the typical psuedo-intellectual conservative.

            Socialism for the haves and the harsh realities of the market for the have-nots.

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            • Chadwick

              Nice way to use an poor analogy of what the NFL does and apply it to the NCAA. I guess your myopic ass doesn’t notice that the NFLPA exists.

              I’ll give you the opportunity in person to tell me GFY in person. Your move.

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            • CB

              Jerry Jones is an oil tycoon. He didn’t make his fortune from the Dallas Cowboys dude.

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              • Derek

                Dude. Has his money gotten better or worse by being an nfl owner, dude?

                Dude, he bought that yacht after 30 years of being the cowboys owner, dude. Not before….dude.

                Dude.

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                • CB

                  Do you think he only owns the Cowboys and does nothing else? Even if he does his revenue share is collectively bargained. The players association agreed to it.

                  Anyway, nothing like doubling on being wrong and being a total dick about it. Lol.

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        • Doug

          “Amateurism is effectively socialism”? Gonna need you to show your work there, bro.

          The whole concept of amateurism, as originally devised, was to reserve sports as a domain of the wealthy elite—the thinking being that if you didn’t pay anyone, rich folks who didn’t need the money would still participate, while poor people who had to work their tails off to get by would stay away from something that couldn’t earn them a salary. That’s a lot of things, but socialism ain’t one of them.

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      • Macallanlover

        So you now turn an already bad discussion into a racist issue. (It is a news story many are interested in and nothing to do with the, alleged, exploitation meme. I won’t even ask how it could be viewed as such, but since there are seemingly no boundaries these days, the words “racism” and “racial” can be applied anyway one chooses…which makes them virtually meaningless any longer. You are probably right now that every thought, or action, can be included under that umbrella. Carry on.

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      • CB

        Derek thinks college coaches and administrators should get all the money yeah he hates corporate greed taking advantage of the general population. Somehow he isn’t making the connection that that it’s the same thing.

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  2. Normaltown Mike

    This is like when David Beckham signing with the LA Galaxy and they had a “Beckham Cam”…only without the 250 million dollars.

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    • Got Cowdog

      Huh. And there I was thinking CBS and the NCAA had an original idea to attract viewership ($$).
      Silly me.

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  3. 3rdandGrantham

    And don’t forget kids – while the NCAA and CBS follows their precious unpaid labor around with dedicated cameras, don’t you dare try to bring a non+Powerade drink into the arena, as Powerade is the official drink of the NCAA as part of a multi-million dollar sponsorship. And if you do, you will be quickly escorted out of the building.

    No, I’m not making this up… https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2018/3/15/17111094/ncaa-tournament-cups-march-madness-powerade-coca-cola

    But hey, at least Zion has been ruled an exception and will be allowed to capitalize off his likeness during the tournament while the NCAA makes millions off his talents. Oh wait…

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  4. 3rdandGrantham

    FYI, Gunnar Bentz, a UGA swimmer whom everyone in America knows very well (thanks in part to the CBS camera documenting his every stroke), was paid something like 50K by the IOC for winning a metal at the ’16 games. The NCAA has no issue with him receiving or keeping this money.

    Todd Gurley or Zion Williamson? Don’t you dare accept a dime from anyone.

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  5. spur21

    The argument for the status quo – “paying them will be a cluster fuck” is shallow at best. How about we give it a try first. If things start to go sideways find a fix.
    Apollo 13 turned into a “cluster fuck” but the problem was solved. That was rocket science – paying them isn’t.

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  6. chopdawg

    WOW, Zion Cam! How much is CBS charging for it? (Gotta be pay-per- view, right? They can’t be giving this away for free, can they?)

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  7. ASEF

    Zion is renting Duke for a year. Duke is renting Zion. Adam Silver and whatever NBA team wins the lottery is the one getting something for nothing come draft time. A proven and highly marketable generational draft pick.

    The current system has all sorts of unfairness and double standards built into it, but I just don’t get the idea that “pity poor Zion” is going to put any wind in reform’s sails. Now, the Iona kid who was unconscious from 3 in the first half and had cameras following him around to make sure his tears at the end of his last college game were fully shared with the audience at home? He’s not looking at a nine figure shoe contract, with well more than half the value of that generated in the past couple of months. There’s no real quid pro quo for him in this tournament, is there?

    Every minute Zion is on camera is money in his bank. He’s gettting paid – it’s just deferred. The Iona kid? Squat.

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  8. PTC DAWG

    Poor Zion….I weep.

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