Today’s topic for discussion: is Fox News genuinely that stupid, or does it pander that relentlessly to the stupid?
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Get The Picture · Bloviation for the Dawgnation
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Only Fox, huh?
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Oh, I don’t know, maybe they accidentally counted 2 of Obama’s 57 states as Mexican?
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If Obama didn’t make that gaffe, you’d have to invent it. 😉
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I’m feeling pretty frisky this morning, so I repeat, in different words: His’n ain’t no better or worse than your’n.
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Welp, I don’t watch Fox — or any cable news, for that matter — and I didn’t vote for Obama, so you’ll have to enlighten me as to who my your’n is exactly.
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Sorry, not biting. This is all conjectural opinion. FWIW I don’t watch any TV news either.
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Man, you brought it up. 😉
FWIW, I thought you’re too smart to watch TV news.
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Reuters.com is more even-handed than most.
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I read a variety of sources, from right, center and left. I just don’t think cable news is conducive to thoughtful analysis.
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I listen to news headline podcasts while cooking supper – NPR, AP, Fox, BBC, Sputnik (Russia), WSJ, Al Jazeera and probably some others. It’s pretty interesting hearing what each broadcast thinks is important. The other interesting note is that Fox is the one broadcast that’s a few decibels higher than all the others. I guess they know their core audience.
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Good for you. The problem with cable “news” is that they don’t distinguish between news and opinion, and it’s mostly opinion. At least most newspapers publish an editorial page which is identified as opinion. But then, most folks don’t read the paper anymore.
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Curious,do you read Victor Davis Hanson?
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SmartNews is the best (free) news app I’ve come across. You customize what you are interested in, then you get to see what all the major players are putting out, along with headlines from the most biased sources (it’s flat amazing at times to see the propaganda). I don’t watch any TV news regularly anymore; this app, BBC, and NPR keep me covered.
https://www.smartnews.com/en/
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I don’t know what you did in the voting booth, but I do remember reading on this website (maybe it was online athens) you throwing your support for Obama when he ran the first time. I’ve considered that you were a liberal democrat since and haven’t seen anything to change my perception. Did you vote for McCain?
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I have never posted anything claiming I threw my political support to Obama, so I don’t know where you’re getting that from. And it couldn’t have been Athens Online, because I’ve done all of my online posting here at the blog since I started it in 2006.
Most of my votes for POTUS have gone to the Libertarian candidate.
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Please reconsider this time. Georgia may be in play in 2020.
Do you know how fucked up things became because a few thousand Floridians decided to vote Nadar in 2000?
Lots of people died because of that stupid shit.
If you live in a state that is near 60/40 one way, who cares? But if you live in a state that matters not voting for the lesser if the two evils is grossly irresponsible.
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Do you know who has won the Democrat nomination? or do you just blindly vote D? I think you should consider voting for Trump.
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There is a misplaced word in your second sentence.
It’s possible that I’ll abstain, but not likely.
Before 11/16 I occasionally voted for and supported republicans financially and otherwise.
Never again. No money. No votes. No yard signs. No nothing. Ever.
I’m as likely to vote republican as an Atlantan who watched Sherman roll through town. I might not have agreed with their point of view, but I do understand.
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There were a litany of independent causes that in total cost Captain Carbon the election. The electoral college, Supreme Court, and the hanging chad. Winning New Hampshire would have been enough.
Now listen to me, I’m not going to say it again, Ross Perot did not cost Bush the election. 😉
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It must have been one hell of a dream. It was in the beginning of the blog, and I can assure you I will not go back and look for proof – I will take you for your word. I tend to vote Libertarian anytime one is running as well. 🙂
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Yeah, yall can vote your feelings for the parties that won’t win and feel like you told the world “what fer”, but you actually help put other ignoramuses in office. My opinion is that your wasted vote is as bad as those who don’t register to vote and then complain of what they ended up with. That is not responsible voting as far as many of us are concerned. When you get that party or any other independent party in a position to make my vote count then I’ll join you, but prefer as of right now to vote responsibly to keep the robber barons out of office. Let’s clean up the place before we try to rearrange the furniture.
Your trek for the party of all things that you can agree with is an exercise in futility for establishing good (not perfect) government now. By not voting in either party you have helped to place us where we are with this Republican regime that has it’s own Pravda to shill for it. Don’t blame the dumbasses who fall for the con man’s rhetoric, rather, you need to look into the mirror if you consider that you are educated past the pablum spewed by Fox “news” from the now-ruling party and ask yourself if you are making a difference or just trying to keep up with the fashionable crowd.
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Dude, even the robber barons weren’t robber barons. So don’t worry your pretty little head about how Trump is really a Russian plant to ruin our lives. He’s just a politician fairly similar to most others
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You will be pleased to know my vote counted for the man who won last time. Smoke up.
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I never thought Quayle’s potato mistake was that bad, or scores of other politician’s misspeaks (including 57 states) but Gerald Ford insisting Poland was not under Soviet domination would count as a serious brain cramp!
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My favorite Quayle gaffe was when he was asked what he would do if his teenage daughter became pregnant.
He said that the family would sit down and make a decision about what to do. Seems reasonable unless your politics are that the state decides these things for you.
His wife had to clarify that they lived in a world without any free choice in such matters.
Anyway, he served his role. Making Bush appear Presidential by comparison.
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I am not a hater, nor a fan of GHWB, but as a former CIA director, WWII fighter Pilot, Congressman, Ambassador to China, 2 term Vice President, successful businessman, son of a Senator who raised 2 Governor sons and a President, didn’t need Dan Quayle to look presidential!
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That wasn’t the CW at the time. Roger Ailes in debate prep said he looked like either a “pansy” or a “pussy.” One or the other. Not a HW hater by any means but he wasn’t the greatest retail politician that’s for sure. He’s probably the only elected GOP president in my lifetime that I’d generally say nice things about.
But he was very effete and very disconnected from everyday experience. Quayle made him appear to have more gravitas and that’s why I think they picked him. And it worked.
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The irony is that Stelter was tweeting about it.
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Graphic vs an actual statement by then candidate Barack Obama – have visited 57 states with one to go and that does not include Alaska and Hawaii – so we have 60 states!
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Democratic politician mistakes are meaningful.
Not knowing where your father was born?
Not an issue.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/03/politics/fact-check-trumps-dad-was-not-born-in-germany/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
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Kind of like the AP reporter the other day writing that Robert (Beto) O’Rourke, a 4th generation American of Irish descent, had addressed the crowd in his native tongue (he spoke in Spanish). They ALL make stupid mistakes.
From the HOUSTON CHRONICLE
EL PASO, Texas (AP) — In a story March 31 about a Beto O’Rourke campaign rally, The Associated Press reported erroneously that O’Rourke spoke to a rally in his native Spanish. O’Rourke is not a native Spanish speaker.
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Only Fox would identify three countries which are distinctly not Mexico as “Mexican countries,” yes. Because their viewership is all stupid rednecks who think all brown-skinned people are Mexicans. Nobody has dumber viewers than FOX news. That’s a fact.
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A fact, huh?
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There are studies on this. You can use “the google” to find them.
I specifically recall that people who watched Jon Stewart (a comedy show) were more informed than Fox News viewers under questioning.
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I always appreciate the liberal self-definition of “informed” as well as being the authority on deciding who is “informed” or “enlightened” or “educated”. This type of argument has been around for centuries, but became especially popular since Scopes. Conservatives don’t understand the world because they aren’t informed/educated/enlightened. Hence the crux of Derek’s statement. I’m pretty sure that people on both sides of the aisle have graduated from prestigious schools and hold prestigious jobs. As well , I am quite certain that some of those same people watch Fox News or MSNBC. “Informed” is extremely subjective. I may be more informed about you on a number of things. Just like you may be on things I am not. Does that reflect our individual intelligence? Absolutely not. Personally, I don’t consider you uninformed or uneducated if you do not read the news the same way I do. This is the type of rhetoric that never gets us anywhere as a country. Debate the issues from two sides. Not run to an ad hominem attack. Both sides are guilty of that.
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Of course you are right in the broader sense of individual knowledge, but what Derek is citing compares the political knowledge or viewership groups. The relevance of this in the American electorate cannot be understated. If one knows more about Pizzagate than Watergate, odds are very high their “informed” voting decisions will be plagued by misinformation.
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Wow, the big news from that chart is that CNN scored really low and MSNBC isn’t listed.
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It’s a poll from 2007. FNC comes in at 35%, but the big news is CNN @ 41%?? Strange takeaway. Here’s the full survey and results: https://www.people-press.org/2007/04/15/public-knowledge-of-current-affairs-little-changed-by-news-and-information-revolutions/
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That’s not correct. Fox News viewers were found to be less informed, not less intelligent. There’s a difference.
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“only…is all….Nobody..dumber, all stupid rednecks….a fact”.
Charming tool.
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More hate speech from Chili. Sad.
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He always scores high on the GTP Bicycle Lock Boy scale. I dont believe bloggers here would mind his criticisms and objections if he listed them rationally, offered some evidence and avoided attacking the messenger in lieu of an inability to critique the message.
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Watching Varney right now. The fact is that editing is a lost art in all media.
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So you don’t think that was a typo?
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Typo? You mean like FN misspelled “Central American”? 😉
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pantslesspatdye it’s not a typo. Fox has already officially apologized for it.
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It should be legal for all news outlets to make job applicants pass a rigorous history and geography test before hiring them. Universities would be outraged that they actually had to teach their students something before graduation.
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I don’t think you know what a “typo” Is. It doesn’t mean “something you say because you’re ignorant and/or stupid.”
Accidentally missing a keystroke in a word – like “dmbass” – that’s a typo. Referring to three different South American countries as “Mexican countries,” isn’t a typo – it’s a sign of ignorance or appealing to ignorance.
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It is definitely not a typographical error. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t a low level employee making a dumb mistake….or a disgruntled employee wanted to embarrass a company.
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It’s always a conspiracy. Always.
I always like it when a Republican official gets in serious trouble so they put just a “(D)” next to their name. Oops!
Just good fun I’m sure.
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I think its much deeper than that…
I have realized the D’s and the R’s are the exact same thing. We are stupid for thinking there is a difference. I can’t wait for the day when there is a “(T)” next to a politicians name.
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Is it a “low level employee making a dumb mistake,” or are the people that work at FOX just dumb? Is Jeanine Pirro a “low level employee?” Sean Hannity? Tucker Carlson? Because they’re pretty fucking dumb.
The American right is a cesspool of ignorance, and FOX exists to feed it. I say it’s less of an error than it is “saying the quiet part out loud.”
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Everyone knows it was the Russians.
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Putin hacked the Fox chyron. He’s everywhere!!!
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I sure hope you never have to paint in tight spaces, because all you’ve got is a broad brush.
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It takes a broad brush to cover the breadth of stupidity on the right. Sure seems like I hit closer to the mark than not based on those of you taking umbrage with my criticism of the Trump propaganda network.
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Perhaps it was because they all speak Mexican.
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Huh. I thought you were going to say they all look alike.
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Oh, this will be fun. Red meat for the pack.
On a completely unrelated note, I saw a list of top 100 documentaries. (There are many such lists out there.) What makes your list? What have you seen recently that makes your list? For me, “Apollo 11” will be on there. Great footage, much of it unseen, and presented in a way that makes it feel like you’re watch it live, today. Highly recommended, especially on the big screen if you can see it.
Also, “They Shall Not Grow Old” by Peter Jackson. We’ve talked about this one (came out last winter), but just a great new take on WW1.
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Not a lot to contribute here, but the recent Michael Jackson documentary was just gut-wrenching, and Alex Gibney’s Scientology doc from a couple years ago is outstanding, the ramp-up to Leah Remini’s show.
Michelle Kath, daughter of the late Chicago guitarist Terry Kath,did a terrific documentary on his short life- what a player- that came out last year, and there was a similar one on Kurt Cobain a few years before that which was excellent.
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I’d love to see that Terry Kath doc. One of my favorite guitarists.
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Keep an eye peeled for it- it plays on cable. It’s really nicely done, with some well-designed animation for style pints (and I’m an old animator), and a great subplot as she searches for his classic lost “Pignose” Telecaster, which you’ll recognize instantly. Only in recent years have I come to appreciate just how inspired his playing was- way beyond the leads that are all people tend to notice.
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Saw the doc. It was very good. I’ve heard he basically composed most of the parts each Chicago instrumentalist needed to play in his head, but couldn’t actually write out the music, so he explained what he wanted to Robert Lamm, and Lamm wrote it all out.
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Fog of War. Robert McNamara’s memoirs It is an unflinching look at how the chief architect(s) of the Vietnam war keep digging a deeper and deeper hole by totally miscalculating the enemy.
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I need to see that.
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Oh, and I used to think “Idiocracy” was just satire, but I’m starting to think it’s actually a documentary from the future.
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“Red meat for the pack.”
It’s like wrestling with a pig: you both get filthy, but the pig likes that. 🙂
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There’s a series on Netflix that just came out recently called Losers. It’s mostly about athletes who lost it all (or never even won it all) and how they made an impact on their sport or went on to find success in other careers. I haven’t watched all of the episodes yet, only 3 or 4, but the first one is my favorite so far.
Another Netflix docu-series I enjoyed was Dirty Money. Each episode tackles a different financial topic or scandal, like payday lending or the hike in drug prices. Really interesting stuff, but it might make your blood boil. Oh, and the last episode of the season focuses on Trump’s finances.
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Insomnia necessitated my watching of the Elizabeth Holmes Documentary last weekend, “Out for Blood” or something. It’s worth wasting a little time on. Two takeaways: (1) She and her boyfriend were the penultimate snake oil salesmen.(2) Look at her eyes, that lady is nuts.
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That story fascinates me for some reason. I’ve somewhat followed it from the beginning, when everyone bought it, until it all crashed down later. She does have crazy eyes, but her voice is what weirds me out. “Husky” doesn’t describe it.
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Same here. Turns out the voice is fake and goes high when she drinks. (Read that on the internet so it must be true 🙂 )
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Oh yeah! i’m kicking myself for not mentioning that one. I only caught about half of it but…just wow. That lady is just crazy.
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They’re not stupid. They’re smart enough to know pandering to stupidity is immensely profitable. Fox is not in the business of news. Nor is anyone else for that matter. They’re in the business of selling advertising. Period. No ads, no shows. This should surprise exactly no one. Anything that sells ads will be broadcast. Anything that does not sell ads gets cancelled. Einstein supposedly said only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And he wasn’t positive about the universe.
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I can’t argue this. If there is anything that a democracy needs it’s better awareness of these facts:
1) Politicians are selling themselves for votes.
2) TV channels are selling entertainment to increase ad revenue.
It is NEVER about their integrity. It’s about YOURS!
If suddenly 94% of the people were pro-pedophilia the politicians would argue who was pro-pedophilia first and the tv networks would broadcast child porn to sell Coke and McDonalds.
Both groups are merely a reflection of us collectively. We are not their victims. We are just their votes and their wallets. They will give us what we want every time.
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Couldn’t agree with you more. It’s not news, it’s entertainment with a pre selected narrative.
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Spot on.
“Both groups are merely a reflection of us collectively” is exactly what scares the shit out of me and leads me to believe that we are headed down the tubes sooner than most could imagine.
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Derek’s right. See what I did there?
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Plug in an “always” and you’re on to something.
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Both, as the quick responses to defend the indefensible will soon reveal.
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You think your news sources are smarter, and/or appeal to smarter people? One doesn’t have to defend Fox to say it’s no worse than any of the others. One of my favorite amusements in this world is people (like you) who think their politics are because they’re smarter or because their shit smells better.
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Yes. That’s not just a belief, that’s a factual statement. FOX is cocaine for the dumbest people in society. IDGAF if that offends you – go read a book, stupid.
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I think there’s even data to back that up. Fox’s viewers are quantifiably the worst informed, if I recall correctly.
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Did this quantification occur before or after the end of the 2 year news cycle “informing” the more informed that the president was in cahoots with Russia.
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If that’s what Fox was telling you legit services were saying, then the study is verified.
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No, that’s what they were saying. Quit pissing on my shoes and telling me it’s raining. You’re not fooling anyone and snark does not make you smart.
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You continue to make my point, and it sure ain’t about me being smart. Quit while you’re way behind and stop making it worse. I’m all done with ya.
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Self-declaring victory in an argument does not make you the victor.
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They do realize that New Mexico is a state, right? Not a separate nation.
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I remember in 1996, how they spread the story that the Atlanta committee ticket office refused to ship tickets to New Mexico, as they did not ship to another country.
Became a meme before memes!
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Fox has proven themselves stupid; anyone who listens to and believes the Hannity & Piro horse hockey is stupid. Critical thinking skills are missing from Fox.
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Pls refer to comment above in response to Chilidawg.
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Fox News is horrendous and panders to morons. Every bit as horrendous as MSNBC and CNN who sold a false narrative of Russian collusion to leftist morons. Basically, statists and political tribalists are morons.
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That’s about right.
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What “false narrative?” The Trump campaign absolutely colluded with Russia. That isn’t even debatable. Trump asked Russia to hack the DNC computers. They shared polling data with Russian agents. They met with Russians trying to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. These are facts. Not narratives. That Trump’s hand-picked AG who he appointed specifically with the intent of shielding him from the investigation did not recommend criminal charges against him does nothing to change any of that.
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Oh look. Here’s one now.
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Oh look, here’s another idiot with their head in the sand. The matter of Trump’s criminal culpability is separate from the establishment of the fact that his campaign did receive help from the Russians to win the election. To quote Adam Schiff – “you might think that’s OK, I do not.”
You can deny, deny, deny the purpose and intent of everything they did all you want. You can’t deny that it happened. Nor can you deny that at no point did anyone in his campaign inform the FBI that the Russians were attempting to involve themselves.
The most devious component of the whole scandal was that it was done right in everyone’s faces, and they had the audacity to deny what they were doing. Like Trump’s lies, he can say something different from what he just said 30 seconds prior and then claim YOU are the liar. It’s a regime built on gaslighting. And you bought it.
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ALL political power is derived from gaslighting. Read a book. I have several I can suggest.
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Ah, I see, so that’s your bag. False equivalence and nihilism for the win!
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“I don’t inderstand the difference between nihilism and non-coercion, because I’m not very bright.” -ChiliDawg
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Gaslighting like saying your Dad was born in Germany when he was really born in The Bronx?
Gaslighting like saying you have a 2.8 golf handicap which is better than Nicklaus but you have only logged a 96 into the USGA system?
Gaslighting like stating that Puerto Rico has received $91 billion for disaster relief when they have received far less than that? Gaslighting liking trotting out officials in your administration to further this false narrative in a television interview and continue to assert this false claim even when they are confronted with the actual facts by the interviewer?
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Is Chili really Adam “Pencil Neck” Schiiff? Inquiring, uneducated, uninformed rednecks want to know.
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An example of what I’m talking about emerges….
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Chili has officially jumped the shark. “It’s not even debatable” Everyone is wrong wrong wrong. You seem to have facts nobody else has. Before this is all said and done you are going to need a serious safe space to recover. You are a card carrying member of that cesspool of ignorance you referred to earlier.
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Someones been drinking the CNN MSNBC coolaid. I found that the truth usually lies somewhere between the narratives on Fox, CNN, MSNBC and NPR. I am at work so don’t have time to respond to all the inaccuracies in ChiliDawgs reply but those of you who have time go for it.
Back to work. Thanks for the amusement from all in the group.
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Cable news makes you dumber and less informed. It is not just Fox news.
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You got that right.
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Why watch?
With your handy smart phone you can get all the news you need in seconds.
Why listen to people scream at each other or try to manipulate you?
I’ve watched very little cable news since Keith Olberman tried to bring Fox News left to MSNBC.
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“Fake news” is accurate reporting that is inconsistent with a winger’s world view. It’s what a ring laser gyroscope is to flat earther. https://www.newsweek.com/behind-curve-netflix-ending-light-experiment-mark-sargent-documentary-movie-1343362
Fox News is the propaganda arm of the gop. They are there to treat their viewers like mushrooms: keep them in the dark and feed them shit.
This is by design: https://theweek.com/articles/483558/did-fox-news-originate-nixon-white-house
In either event, please don’t try to insist that what wingers really want is the “truth.” That banner is one of thousands of examples that prove that is the farthest thing from their consideration.
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Yes.
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Who is living hell would watch Fox and Friends (or any cable news/politics program) on a weekend morning? During the weekday is pathetic enough; waking up on a beautiful Saturday morning to hear the regurgitated BS from the day before just sounds like an awful idea.
Also, based on some of the back and forth above, this is yet again why I rarely talk politics anymore, as based on the slightest, middle-of-the-road opinion, you’ll immediately be branded as far right or left by the other side. If you pick on Fox News, you must be a flaming liberal. If you snicker at MSNBC or some recent gaffe Pelosi made, you must be some alt-right neocon who is hell bent on reintroducing Jim Crow laws.
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Fox News is kind of like professional wrestling. Great for laughs, but don’t bet on the outcome.
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I started to smirk at this post, but I didn’t want to be called a racist.
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If i didn’t know better i’d think the Senator’s choice of Playpen topic was a direct result of all my right wing pot stirring last week…
I don’t watch Fox. Occasionally i will watch a few minutes of CNN or MSNBC just to know what the leftist’s latest propaganda is and especially when Trump has more winning just to watch their outrage. It amazes me that the media does not realize that their own arrogance contributed significantly to Trump winning in 2016…but i digress and won’t repeat some of last week’s playpen arguments.
Instead lets talk about another point more directly addressed by the Senator, and that is the stupidity of the typical American.
In the late 1990s when i was old enough to pay attention to the world around me and form my own beliefs, i started telling people when the topic would come up that the average American is not smart enough to make proper decisions for themselves. Whether it is voting based on who is going to “give me the most stuff”, starting families with no plans or means to support said family, committing mind-numbingly stupid crimes (petty or otherwise), feeding young kids Mountain Dew to the point of addiction, etc, I’m concerned that the idiots will vote this country right down the tubes.
And i think we are seeing that. Obama had no business being president. Neither does Trump. Elections have become a social media popularity contest with no real thought given to the issues other than “what short term benefit will i get from this?” Thats not a sustainable way to run a country.
And the media just panders to it. I think their approach is wrong as they are pandering to the wrong audience if they want things to change.
I really struggle with it. Yes, i am arrogant myself in my remarks. But i’ve Earned the right to be – i am an asset to society, not a liability. I pay an insane amount of money in property and income taxes and donate more money to charity every year than most households make in income. I’m raising kids that will likewise be an asset.
Sometimes i get concerned that we have reached the point given the status of our society and population that being a democracy is doing more harm than good at this point.
I don’t have an answer as to how to fix it. But it scares the hell out of me for my kids and grandkids.
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You’re late to the game: https://youtu.be/8GBAsFwPglw
There has been a movement over many years to:
Deny certain people the opportunity to vote
To turn people away from voting by convincing them that there’s no difference between the two political parties
Make people too stupid to vote in their own economic interests
This is all designed by the arrogant (ironic that you used it) people who think they and their families are “more equal” than the rest of us and that if we just left the American public to its own devices that they’d fleece the rich and turn the place into Venezuela.
Fox News is part of that solution.
My view has and always will be: all power to the people all the time. An educated and informed electorate will not always be perfect, but it’s better than being ruled by anyone and that includes by our self-appointed betters.
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Do we have an educated and informed electorate? I don’t think we do. Just look at where the electorate is getting their news.
I’m all for equal voting rights unless you’re a felon or can’t prove you are a citizen. Non citizens should not be allowed to vote.
As someone who hates big government, i do think we should have a process to try to improve society overall. I call it the Application for Procreation. Basically in order to be allowed to procreate, you have to apply and be approved. The primary criteria for approval would be pretty simple – are you an asset to society or a liability? I think 30 years of that would fix America.
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Jesus fucking christ.
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Implementation would actually be pretty easy. Municipal water supplies and Mountain Dew would include a chemical for birth control. That would cover at least 95% of the population. If your application is approved you are given a fertility pill to counteract the contraceptive until you successfully procreate.
Applying for approval would be free for everyone.The approval process would be simple and quick as well – maybe even online.
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You should try that. In 1938. In Berlin.
Your motto is: tread all the fuck over “those people.”
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The issue with my proposal is that it only covers 95% of the population. Got to figure out how to get the other 4% covered then we’ll be good…
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I think there just might be a little more issue than that.
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Genocide jokes are hilarious.
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Oh that was classy
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But cnn is “arrogant.”
Your application is retroactively DENIED!!!
It is good to know that there are plenty of Nazi sympathizers still among us.
Freedom isn’t only not free it ceases to exist!!
State uber alles!
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I don’t think trying to encourage people to be an asset to society instead of a liability is equivalent to being a Nazi. My proposal does not discriminate against people based on race, religious creed, sexual orientation or any other protected class.
Yes I’m arrogant but no more so than many of the other self righteous liberals that are so easily riled up and posting on this thread. Like i said last week, keep up with your “everyone that doesn’t agree with me is a fucking idiot” and you’ll be rewarded with another 4 years of the current administration.
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But you’re too goddamned dumb to realize that someone has to make the call about who is or isn’t an asset.
And you’re too goddamned dumb not to know that a free man never trusts his government in such matters.
And you’re too goddamned dumb to know that plenty of good people birth lots of “non-assets.”
As such, you are not, in my view, an asset at all. Why? Stupid! Incapable of participating in self-Government.
So do you want me or someone like me deciding your capacity to have a lineage dumbass?
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Man you’re an easy one.
I guess I should have mentioned that i’ve Volunteered to chair the approval committee initially. I had my V a few years ago so i’ve Done all the procreating i plan to do.
Believe me, i get the irony – i don’t like government intrusion any more than the next guy, but this is for the long term good of the democracy.
Don’t worry Derek, even though i don’t agree with everything you say or all of your beliefs, i’ve Noticed in the past that you seem to be an educated guy. I’m stereotyping a bit here, but i assume you have an education, a job and are generally free from having to ask for handouts like welfare or unemployment benefits, you probably aren’t currently incarcerated, you pay your taxes (including FICA withholding). I don’t think there will be any problems with your application.
By the way, “being goddammed dumb” is not a criteria for approval. It’s a simple test – asset or liability?
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It’s going to be a shame when i don’t have a cross country flight next week (and therefore the time to mess with the likes of Derek and ChiliDawg (otherwise known as “GTP Bullies”)
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Yeah man, who among us hasn’t trafficked in neo-Nazi ideology on the internet to pass some time?
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It’s horrific. Now let’s get back to freedom and liberty by having elections that force everybody to behave the way we want. #BanCowFarts
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Classic trolling. Outstanding, my good sir!!
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I’m pretty sure he’s just having himself a laugh in poor taste, though it’s likely he does probably harbor this sentiment to some extent. Can never tell anymore.
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Swiftian humor, if that’s what it is, loses its effect when directed at the weak.
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I’m a little surprised my 99% comment above didn’t get a response from either of you. Or maybe you’re too “goddammed dumb” to get it.
Just like the liberals i know and love – easily outraged and very open minded / “Kum by yah” right up until someone does not agree with them, then they are “goddammed dumb”.
It’s amazing you guys don’t realize your mindset is exactly why Trump got elected. I’ll say it again – keep it up so you can enjoy 4 more years!
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It’s because we’re too arrogant to fully appreciate your superiority.
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BTW, if you actually read my posts there were plenty of clues that i’m Doing nothing more than screwing with you. But you’re too blinded by your outrage and resort to name calling. Ever read The Onion?
Too bad April 1 didn’t fall on a Wednesday.
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I’m a little surprised you thought this line of trolling would make anyone else but you look like the asshole here. I say “a little,” because the internet is full of shitheads bandying neo-Nazi rhetoric about and saying “joking to own the libs wink“, just not that many of them on this site. Always “just kidding” until there’s enough people also “just kidding” and you form a sizable enough percentage, then you’re not kidding anymore.
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As a person with a fondness for sarcasm, I think it’s appropriate to create more distance from things people have actually proposed.
“A modest proposal” for example, was never actually proposed.
What you’ve proposed has actually been proposed if in slightly different form. Read Buck v. Bell for example. Hence, not terribly funny.
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Flights landing. Enjoyed it fellas. I’ll have to find time to mosey on by this time next week to see what’s going on.
I wasn’t trying to make you look like an asshole. As i think i established last week i do enjoy liberal outrage and got my dose today from you two.
Sorry to have “offended” you. I’ll be chucking about this all day.
So predictable. See you next week.
Keep up with the name calling and inaccurate nazi comparison’s. 4 more years!
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From what I understand Jim’s thoughts on procreation based on whether a person is an asset to society or not is exactly what happens in Great Britain when a person needs to go on dialysis. A committee decides if the person is worth the expense of dialysis. If they contribute to society they live if not they are made comfortable to die a quick death. Gotta love that single payer health care!
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I hope this is not how you start conversation at dinner parties, Jim.
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While I would not endorse Jim’s solutions, history proves time and time again that people divide themselves into mobs led by hucksters and shysters ….….people left to their own devices, with all power in the (direct) hands of the people ultimately degenerates into the 51% vs the 49%. Maybe it takes a while to become overtly corrupt theft of the treasury, but to the 49%, shoving unwanted policy (which begets taxation) down their throats is only tolerable for so long.
The norm throughout history is that the electorate, as a whole, is absolutely uninformed. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have a voice–doing that would merely arrive at the same terrible result from a different direction. But all-power-to-the-people-all-the-time may sound good on paper, but there’s a reason we created the very strong filters known as republican (little r) government. Give people agency in every aspect of government and even a direct line with the House of Representatives. But most importantly, chop, filter and separate the constituencies that select the different arms to prevent people from forming mobs.
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I agree to some extent.
At some point, however, the average citizen is more intelligent than the people ruling them. It’s quite possible we’ve reached that point, when politicians can’t tell the difference between a bull and a cow and tell you the world is ending in twelve years.
We now live in a world, thanks to post-modernism, where the most educated among us think that speech is violence, socialism and communism are the way to a perfect society, that men can have babies, and other such premises.
I’m thinking Bubba with his twelve pack of Mountain Dew Code Red is most likely more intelligent that a UGA Sociology grad.
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^ and this is how ended up with a moron for President.
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Well that and a little push from Putin.
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Mueller is a Putin stooge!
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Barr’s letter, along with every intel agency in America, confirms Russian election interference.
The degree to which that was knowingly helped along by Americans is what was under investigation by Mueller.
Some people are too stupid to understand that there’s a difference between the Russian influence campaign and collusion and conclude that a lack of confirmatory proof of the latter means the former ceases to exist.
These people are fucking stupid.
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That’s a lot of words to say that nothing that Trump or his campaign did was wrong or illegal.
You are the the division that Putin so very much wanted to sow in American politics. You, the MSM, and the Democratic party are puppets of Putin.
And stop with your sanctimonious interference bullshit. Which administration was in charge during the so called interference? Don’t even get me started with Michael McFaul and his ties to Russia before his position within the Obama admin and after. And yet get on your high horse about oppo research?
Keep fighting, comrade.
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First do the letters “FO” mean anything to you?
The truth, of which you aren’t interested in, is that Obama wanted to bring this issue to the attention of the public and confront Russia’s interference. Mitch McConnell blocked him and said that he, and his party, would politicize any effort to bring credence to the idea that Russia was helping Trump.
Therefore, the intelligence assessment was released after the election as were the bulk of the sanctions.
You sir are a useful idiot.
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The same admin that wanted the 1980s to call to get their foreign policy back when referring to Russia being the largest geopolitcal threat?
GTFO. Trump has been vindicated and you continue to sow the political discourse of Putin. Pathetic. Again, look up McFaul.
The FISA declas is the trump card for next election, and its truly sad that people like you will be perfectly OK with gestapo like tactics of the Obama admin.
But when it’s all said and done, they might be doing more than just locking Her up.
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Serious question: without reading Muller’s report, how do you know that?
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Do you think the AG is lying? Why hasn’t anyone from Muller’s team corrected him? If charges can’t be brought against Trump, doesn’t he get the presumption of innocence (vindication)?
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Oh, brother.
C’mon, Sides, let Occam’s razor work for you. If the report is really a total vindication of the POTUS, why hasn’t it been triumphantly released in its entirety?
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Life comes at you fast, man.
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You don’t buy the official story that Barr is redacting parts before releasing the entire report?
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Why is he entitled to redact parts before submitting to Congress?
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He said it would be finished April 15. You will get it. I think legally some of it has to be redacted (like grand jury testimony?) but you should know that. A finished investigation with no indictments of trump or his family is pretty much vindication. Do you think Barr is lying to protect trump?
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You haven’t seen it and you don’t know what we’ll get, except that Barr won’t release the entire report to Congress, which is entitled to receive the entire report.
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The law, along with long established DOJ practice, requires redacting the report before releasing it.
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Not to Congress.
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You are correct sir. The redaction issues are for the public only. Not for congress. And the issue has been previously litigated. Congress gets it all. That’s the law.
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Rep. Doug Collins, R-Ga., ranking member on Judiciary
He also argued that the subpoena for the Mueller report would command the attorney general to break the law. “The attorney general’s entire mandate is to enforce the law, and he’s expressly forbidden from providing grand jury material outside of the department, with very limited and narrow exceptions. Congress is not one of those exceptions, and the chairman knows it,” Collins said.
Quoted straight from an NBC article. Your state rep seems to disagree with your assessment. I look forward to seeing this drag out for the next few years….
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He also voted a couple of weeks ago for Mueller’s report to be released publicly in its entirety.
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BTW, I think this is spot on. Rs clearly hope to keep this out of Congress’ hands, along with Trump’s tax returns, until after the 2020 elections.
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I can’t read behind the paywall of the Washington post but this is written in other places. From NYT:
Some of Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.
Some investigators told associates who then told media outlets? That sounds like a rumor/hearsay. I don’t think that is good reporting. I sure wouldn’t make my opinion based on this.
Mr. Mueller’s decision to skip a prosecutorial judgment “leaves it to the attorney general to determine whether the conduct described in the report constitutes a crime,” Mr. Barr wrote. He and his deputy, Rod J. Rosenstein, decided that the evidence was insufficient to conclude that Mr. Trump had committed an obstruction offense.
If charges can’t be brought against Trump then he is vindicated.
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First paragraph of the WaPo piece:
That’s what the NYT piece also indicates. The Mueller folks have been notoriously close-mouthed during the investigation. For them to leak now seems like a significant tell. Like it or not, it’s a response to your question I highlighted.
My only point here — again — is that prudence suggests we should wait until the report is produced in its entirety to someone besides the AG, who’s already backtracked once on the purpose of his initial letter, before we jump to any conclusions one way or the other. Your mileage obviously varies.
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This thing is far from over. Trump seems to be clear of ‘colluding’ with the Russians. The D’s are going to spend the rest of this term trying to impeach him for obstructing the Mueller investigation (which will go nowhere). R’s will counter with redacting info and throwing up road blocks. They will also likely get a special prosecutor to look at the wire taps in the Trump campaign and the FISA warrant and the infamous dossier. All this is background while Trump wins a second term and consolidates his power…
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I agree with you about this dragging on, although I don’t see the House moving forward on impeachment, given that there’s no way the Senate would confirm.
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Whether you are happy that Putin picked your guy or not, you should, as an American, be concerned about why you and Putin want the same person as potus.
It’s absolutely treasonous that the right simply does not care that Putin tried to help Trump and hurt Hillary. Whether he was joined by Trump associates or not is window dressing. Whether the result would have been exactly the same is window dressing. The reality is that Putin put his thumb on the scale to an effect that can never be determined anymore than you can say what 1988 would have resulted in with and without the Willie Horton ad. It can’t be quantified.
It’s indisputable that it happened and it’s indisputable that trump and everyone around him has tried to convince people that it didn’t. Including by lying about it in every possible forum.
You can continue to distract, but the reality is that your president is Putin’s president and you and your ilk are traitors for not giving a rats ass about that fact to the point of denying that it is a fact and trying to convince others of a false reality. It’s called “aid and comfort” and you just keep doing it.
How those efforts are substantively any different than Jane Fonda’s visits with the NVA is beyond me.
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How did Putin tip the scales? I have seen Obama officials say no votes were changed at the ballot box. No money came into Trumps accounts. What did Russia do that has you convinced they colluded with Trump to steal the election?
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Have you read the indictment of the 25 Russians or the public version of the the intelligence assessment?
Here ya go:
https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
Click to access ICA_2017_01.pdf
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You didn’t see that Russians bought thousands of dollars of cute puppy videos on Facebook? You’re not terrified by that?
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Then you have people who think a foreign adversary’s military intelligence operations inside the United States are a subject of humor.
These people are not worth the powder it would take to blow their ass to Moscow where their traitorous ass belongs.
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Exactly. Any politician against nuclear war is just a treasonous pussy. I know that because my dick is so big. Seriously.
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He charged 25 Russians who will never step foot in this country and never defend themselves but couldn’t find anything to get trump on. This is the best you got? I’m not reading that document so sum it up for us if it is that damning.
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Since reading ain’t you’re thing this is a decent quote to start with:
“Defendant ORGANIZATION (read Russian military intel) had a strategic goal to sow discord in the U.S. political system, including the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Defendants posted derogatory information about a number of candidates, and by early to mid-2016, Defendants’ operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump (“Trump Campaign”) and disparaging Hillary Clinton.”
I suggest you try and overcome you’re distaste for info and read the damn things. Especially if you’re going around claiming Russian interference didn’t actually occur.
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“Defendants posted derogatory information about a number of candidates”
I hope that isn’t illegal or most people here are in big trouble. Free speech on the internet is only allowed for Americans? Build that wall….
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Actually it is illegal dumbass.
That’s why there’s a fucking indictment ya goddamned imbecile.
You can give $ to a federal candidate. Putin can’t tho ya fucktard.
Cuz he’s a foreigner AND a foreign gubmit official, moron.
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I thought our relationship had moved past petty insults.
Show money changing hands or stfu.
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Why does money have to change hands?
The only issue we’re discussing is the FACT that Russian Military Intel interfered to the benefit of Trump and detriment of Hillary.
NO ONE in Trump’s intel CURRENTLY disputes that. Pompeo AGREED with it under oath when he was TRUMP’s Director of the CIA.
Now, whether Trump or his associates were knowing participants in the scheme is the dispute.
I get that Mueller isn’t ready to go to court with such a charge.
Doesn’t mean that the election isn’t tainted. It is.
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A 2 year investigation into a president requires a crime. What was that crime? A social media campaign by a foreign government?
Manafort has been fully investigated and they got him on unrelated crimes. Stone will get the same treatment. Political payback. Lindsey graham said it best the other day. Trump doesn’t collude with anyone but trump.
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Fuck me.
So you agree that Russia interfered for trump and against Hillary?
Have we at least crossed that bridge that you started with at 5:11 asking “how did putin tip the scales?”
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No. I agree Russia ‘meddled’ in the election. Not all for trump and I question the actual value of the meddling.
Without votes changing or money going to a campaign, I don’t see a crime.
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Maybe you should read that indictment. Ya think?
Might be some info or law in there. After all what you think is illegal isn’t really what matters is it? There are like statutes passed by Congress and shit and they’re in a book too!
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Money changing hands is only illegal for Republicans. Remember China donating to Bill Clinton’s campaign? Totally fine.
But puppy videos is where we must draw the line or the republic will not survive!
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Russian interference is not the same as collusion. Not dumb people get that.
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Traitorous asses. Unlike Derek’s candy ass who has done exactly dick in service of his country but gets up on a stump about patriotism. Seriously, go fuck yourself.
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FO you bone spur supporting, it’s cool to call POW’s “not heroes”, jackass.
Support the Russian gubmit candidate for president. And don’t ask any questions.
Benedict Arnold would be proud.
Always thought Lee Harvey got a bad rap since he served and all. That pretty much means he can do whatever after that right?
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You don’t have to be a vet to have a patriotic opinion, but you do have to believe in your country’s system of government. Derek’s opinion is right on and as a vet, I appreciate his stance. That would be unlike the stance that our potus has taken against the people in his own command and as C-I-C, I certainly don’t approve of his view of vets and our military he is supposed to command.
How can you possibly pass by that glaring antipatriotic view from our President? How can you tell yourself that all of these facts of anti-Americanism posted on Twitter by Trump are just not bad because you think the anger being generated in many Americans is because they lost the election?
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A curious definition of patriotism.
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The problem with getting involved in political discussions, is that pointing out the errors in one side infers that the other is smarter.
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From watching and reading of the exploits of our local, state, and national level elected “leaders” I don’t find much to inspire hope for our future from either side. It seems that each and every one of them have the primary job of covering their own ass and getting re elected to cement that life long pension and insurance the us mere mortals get to fund for them. If not for the Supreme Court appointments, I really would no care who won in most cases. That is where most of what has changed this country has truly been decided for the last 1/2 century.
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I have only watched Fox News when I am in a place that broadcasts it and you have to be there. I would say the same thing about CNN. These kinds of mistakes are ridiculous, and they happen to everyone (including print journalists) because of the presence of social media. No editor proof reads, no one fact checks because it is all about being the first, and not so much about being correct. As a geezer it used to drive me crazy, but it’s a bigger problem than I can solve, so I confess I have become a little numb to it.
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Totally agree. With the news cycles of today, it is MUCH more important to be first than to be right.
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The Playpen is like reading cable news. Bunch of nutless commie cucks that should be out doing something productive. I’m going back outside and make some money.
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Well, I’m glad that you used the word “cuck” early – it lets me know you’re too fucking stupid to take seriously.
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Awwww. Did that hit close to home, SiSSy? Bit dog hollers.
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That lawnmower an’t gonna push itself, eh?
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Man I don’t cut grass. I wouldn’t want to deprive your wife of her meal.
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Well fucking done, Airborne!
You can’t softball ‘em up there and expect me not to swing. 😎
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RLTW!
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When I graduated Jump school in 1980 it still meant something. The Black Hats wore sterling silver Master Wings polished to almost flat. We were scared shitless of failure. i was gifted a set of Wings from ’43 and the order not to quit.
All The Way!
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It still means something because they don’t give those away. One of my nephews is MI. Went through Ranger School and spent a lot of time in the ‘Stans doing things he “can’t talk about”. My youngest is determined to follow in his footsteps and his mom (not at all cowlike) is mortified. I’m like the guy that gave you the 43’s, “Don’t quit”.
My first job was on a construction crew and one of he leads was a WWII vet from the 82nd with battle jumps. He lost his namesake in ’69 on a hill somewhere in Vietnam. We worked together for years and I never knew until I was older. I stopped by for a visit and he ended up telling me the stories over a dozen beers. Ended up saying he thought his son was killed because of all the people he killed in WW2. PTSD sucks.
BTW, Nice to talk to someone who knows how to properly return an insult.
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“he thought his son was killed because of all the people he killed in WW2.”
Man,that is rough. Whether it was true or not doesn’t matter. He thought it was. That’s a terrible burden to carry. I hope he found some peace. I was raised by those old Vets and they didn’t share much of their experiences. You should consider yourself fortunate that he did.
You’re a good sport, Cowdog.
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I do. And I’ll share this because you’ll appreciate it. My wife and I visited my nephew while he was staioned in Hawaii. We were having beers and I was quizzing him about his TOD. He said he made some bad guys go away. I was picking at him a little and knowing he was MI I said “Snatch and Grab?” His wife, also MI said “No, like disappear. Like vaporize.” He was boots on the ground in indian country with a laser designator.
The sad one? My old foreman had been retired a couple of years. I stopped by to see him and while we were sitting in his kitchen I saw a picture on the wall of a young man in uniform and asked if that was him when he was younger. He said no, it was his son. I asked where he was and thats when the bottle came ut and the story was told. He died in a friendly fire incident when the CO gave artillery wrong coordinates. My friend went on to tell me about some of the things he had done in WWII and it was fucking hairy. That’s when he said “Maybe if I hadn’t killed all those people God wouldn’t have taken my son.”
I told him I didn’t think that was how it worked. He said he knew that but couldn’t shake the thought or the guilt. He had ‘took drunk” for a few years after it happened but eventually got straightened out, I don’t know how much peace he got but we were friends until he passed away a few years ago. We shared many Friday afternoon beers, but that was the only time he ever talked about the war or his son. He was funny and tough as hell. They ain’t wrong when they call them the greatest generation
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I appreciate you sharing that, buddy. It will give me something to reflect upon while I’m out on the lake.
Have a good evening sir.
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Your UGA education unfortunately must of taught you no independent or critical thinking skills. I know you don’t want any of us verify our facts. Just follow the drivel and lies pushed by CNN AND MSNBC.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/08/cnn-trump-error-journalism-287914
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The must of what?
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“Must of no” which is I believe is a regional variant of “did not done it”, a literal offense that would get you a taste of the wooden spoon at Grandma Cowdog’s house. She didn’t hold with improper speech.
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I just think that this is the same thing as everyone referring to soft drinks in the south as “Coke”.
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WRONG. It’s a Co-Cola! Do not forget that.
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Co-Coler*
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https://mobile.twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1112729943413268480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1112729943413268480&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonexaminer.com%2Fnews%2Ffact-check-maddows-staff-correct-her-mueller-report-error-in-real-time
Fox hosts corrected the chyron in real time. Maddow ranted on about Barr, incorrectly. In her case, the chyron was correct. Which was worse? Fox of course.
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Whataboutism at it’s finest.
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Not exactly. Fox had an incorrect chyron while the hosts talked about the correct information. Maddow ranted on about Barr to the point that even folks at the Nation got fed up.
But hey, maybe the Russians hacked the Nation, huh?
I just find it amusing that these things happened at the same time, but we all get hear about how Fox is literally Hitler.
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Whataboutism. That’s lefty shorthand for “you pointed out my hypocrisy and now I don’t know what to do because all I have is talking points. So I’ll invent an ism for you to be guilty of.”
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Repetitive whataboutism ftw
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That hypocrisy just goes right over your head? Unsurprising.
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Hypocrisy? That’s ironic. I fully acknowledge that CNN and Fox are two sides of the same coin, but I’m not dense enough to use the hypocrisy of one to justify the hypocrisy of the other. That in itself would be hypocritical whataboutism. Which brings us back to the irony of your statement. Get it?
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Not at all. Bluto and others have caught the vapors about Fox’s incorrect chyron, while the hosts ignored it and spoke correctly on air. MSNBC had the opposite problem. The chyron was accurate while Maddow spent a segment spewing inaccurate information. But nothing to see here, eh?
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Inaccurate information? Lol. You win. There are literally thousands of examples you could point out from both sides, but the two you’ve picked out tell the whole story. Sorry I questioned your benevolent point of view. 😂
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I was just referring to where the chyron didn’t match the on air speech. Sure, there’s lots of other times where bullshit flowed. Sadly for you, it’s not just Fox that’s guilty. #triggered
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Right, and you were quick to point out a worse gaffe by Maddow as if that somehow justifies Fox. That knife cuts both ways, but in the end it’s all just whataboutism. I very clearly stated that all the propaganda news outlets are a waste of time on both sides. #GoalPostsMoved
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I’m just amused that Fox is what specifically triggers you. Maddow’s gaffe was worse, but won’t get near the press. I’m not surprised you think it’s poor form to point out leftist hypocrisy. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
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Interns, dude.
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https://steemit.com/culture/@shayne/how-to-spot-a-paid-troll-and-what-to-do-when-you-find-one
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Shit i didn’t realize i could get paid for trolling Derek and Chili…
Actually reading that article makes them look like the trolls. Don’t worry guys, you’ve been outed and i’ve Been keeping screen shots!
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It pisses me off. I see it on both sides. Pandering to the vapid in my opinion. How hard is it to say Latin American? Apparently very.
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I’ve been fascinated with maps since I was a very young kid. Parents said I was the Bobby Fisher of geography. Like any subject that requires some effort to learn, I’ve found the vast majority of people are thoroughly ignorant of geography. My only surprise with the FN error is that someone noticed it.
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To be fair, most Americans can’t tell those shit hole countries apart, so I commend Fox for consolidating all those shit holes into one irrefutable shit hole country.
Remember, Mexico Was Never Great. The wall just got 10 feet higher!
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Enough with this BS…AU and TT in the Final Four? WTF?
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Go Cavs!!
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I think State takes it…
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Agreed but War Eagle and anyone but UVa.
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I wouldn’t pull for that cheating POS Pearl regardless of who he’s coaching. The fact that he’s at (and embraced by) Auburn just makes it even worse.
Anyone but Auburn.
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A BBQ is big time cheating material what a low life.
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I figured the playpen audience might enjoy this. I found a funny “easter egg” in this Hitman game recently. FYI, I’m not the user who uploaded the video.
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Why did you vote libertarian? You strike me as pro Roe, pro Obger., anti RFRA, and anti gun or did I misread you?
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This is a perfect example of why I call myself a lapsed Libertarian now. The idea that a Lib is anti-abortion by definition turns the whole concept of government staying out of people’s lives on its head. I get (and respect) that your faith leads you to take that position, but it’s conservative, not Libertarian. Unfortunately, at least from my standpoint, Libertarianism’s been hijacked by the conservative right now.
As far as your other points, RFRA is fine as a shield, but as a sword, it’s using government power to impose religious views on third parties. That ain’t my kind of Libertarianism. And the Second Amendment isn’t an absolute right; Libertarianism isn’t the same thing as outright anarchy. I see no reason for gun companies to have been granted immunity by the federal government from litigation.
IMO, the right ignores the “government that governs best governs least” wisdom as much as the left does. It just picks different issues for the government to prop up. I find most present day, self-proclaimed Libertarians are FOS.
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Unfortunately, at least from my standpoint, Libertarianism’s been hijacked by the conservative right now.*
Exactly why I no longer identify as well. For whatever reason, through their complicity or ignorance, they let right wingers permeate the movement and now half of so-called “libertarians” support very anti-libertarian ideas like abortion legislation and building a wall. I would make the case that those people were never really “libertarian” to begin with, but they have an influence. Thankfully the LP national committee put out a statement officially coming out against a border wall – but it says a lot about how meaningless the term “libertarian” is becoming when you find yourself having to make a statement about what your position is regarding restricting the movement of free people.
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It’s possible to be prochoice and anti Roe due to Federalism. Same with the 2nd Amendment. Same with marriage
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Again, I’m not trying to argue with positions you’re taking out of honest, good conscience. But they aren’t consistent with the Libertarianism I used to support.
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You are very defined in your thought process, should Repubs ever take the “are you a Libertarian questionnaire”, they’ll find themselves in the Libertarian camp…it’s more popular to be “identified” than to have purpose…
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It doesn’t get much more libertarian than the non-aggression principal. And abortion violates the shit out of the NAP.
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Senator, how about New York Times vs. Sulllivan? Should journalists be immune for the damage they do? I know it’s hard for you to take off the journalist hat, but I see a similarity to your gun company comment.
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Wut
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Forget it. 😉
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You’re simply wrong about the 2nd Amendment. It IS an absolute right.
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I want my ICBM!!
By the way ranger, if it were “absolute” you couldn’t take it from felons or regulate it at all. So far all the supremes have said is that a “total ban” is unconstitutional. It has not hesitated to endorse every regulation short of that. Which is kinda the exact opposite of how rights are generally viewed.
For example, is an infringement on free speech just when it’s a total ban? Not even close.
Methinks Heller was about politics. The republic didn’t go 200 years without a declaration that the 2nd was an individual right for no reason.
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I don’t agree with restricting felons who have served their time from owning weapons. If he can’t be trusted with a firearm he should still be incarcerated.
An armed citizen has the ability to defend himself from the bullies of the world. He retains his dignity and is a bulwark against oppression. Otherwise he’s a subject.
The Republic went about 150 years without questioning the 2nd Amendment as an individual right. But then the feds began their restrictions and haven’t slowed down since.
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In fairness, municipalities in the west were pretty restrictive way before the feds got involved.
I’m also sure it was a lovely time when folks went romping around the countryside and urban areas with Thompson sub-machine guns, but some folks, including the Supreme Court, just prefer you rely on the frequency of your trigger finger instead.
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Nine people voting is where rights come from. Everybody knows that.
#DeepThoughtsFromMiddleSchool
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Very true. Admittedly we have more latitude as far as personal and vehicular carry than any time since the .gov started restricting natural rights. That’s thanks to the hard work of gun rights organizations. I’m still frustrated with the difficulty and cost in acquiring suppressors.
Even without Tommy guns there’s more firepower out there than ever before. What needs to be addressed is the proliferation of psychoactive drugs among those who become mass shooters rather than the evils of an inanimate object.
I’ve got to get back at it. Need to get home way before 7:30 this evening. New moon tomorrow with a front moving in tonight. Warm temperature. Crappie should be biting. Arm yourself Dawgs!
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Get back to me on that ICBM.
I know exactly where I want to put it and where to point it at.
It’s my natural right as an American!
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A’ight,I’m going fishing. Besides bait n tackle I’m toting a POF Edge in .308 in case a bear tries to get my Viennee sausages. Derek, if you were with me I’d only tote a 22 pistol for shooting you in the knee. I don’t have to outrun the bear. Just you.
The ICBM argument is disingenuous.
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Y? It’s an “arm” ain’t it? When we sign “arms control treaties” those are about nuclear missiles, right?
Why doesn’t my second amendment right apply to all arms?
I think you said it was “absolute.”
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Yeah Senator, but what about her emails??
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Bread and circuses. Sucker born every minute. We thought we’d become too sophisticated for any of that to apply anymore. Trump, God bless him, is reminding us that we are not immune. He’s as transparent a con man as I have ever seen in politics or business. He’s cheated his wives, his employees, his customers, his suppliers – pretty much everyone he possibly can. And he’s cheating us. Right out in the open. But we don’t care, because without Trump, someone with the wrong ideology or wrong skin color or wrong biological plumbing might upset the apple cart and ask our country to live by its professed ideals. Can’t have that.
Trump is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Putin Money Laundering Machine. So were way too many highly placed people on his campaign. Real Americans are bothered by that. Fox viewers don’t care as long as He, Trump, protects them from Brown People, Homos.l, and Uppity Women.
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And??
Let’s put Republican ideals on trial in less than a minute:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/11/30/lindsey-graham-trump-kook-comment-lead.cnn
They really just don’t exist and haven’t since they made their deal with the Dixiecrats over civil and voting rights.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-make-resolution-to-impeach-trump-with-reasons-to-be-filled-in-later
At least Democrats can get behind things, like banning cow farts.
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I’m submitting your post to Wikipedia to be used as a brilliant example of empty innuendo and unfounded accusations.
You’re a winner!
(not really)
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Trump admits cheating on his wives. Even bragged about it to the newspapers. Solid documentation exists for the rest of it. But nothing you can’t be easily distracted from by “REAL” threats like David Hogg. Lol. So civic minded. Such a patriot.
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Right. Family values went out when the Clintons left the White House. And it’s amazing how far up Putin’s reach goes. Everybody’s in on it. But the strawberries, that’s where we’ve got them. Our geometric logic can prove that Putin is under our beds right now.
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As far as i can tell, Fox News was correct, there is the state of CABO (fish/street tacos, adult beverages galore), the state of TAMPICO (drinkin doubles, causing lots of trouble), the great state of JALISCO birth place of tequila…..
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Actually, that banner error is better than anything the turds on this blog post. Especially, that kook HiAltDawg.
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Anybody who’s still worried about poor downtrodden college football players needs to read Dale Murphy’s piece in The Athletic about minor league baseball players’ pay ($1160/month for your Rome, Augusta, Greenville players)
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You didn’t see that Russians bought thousands of dollars of cute puppy videos on Facebook? You’re not terrified by that?
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Question for you Scotch whiskey experts. Who makes the 16 year old single malt sold under the Costco brand? I’m a bit of a snob concerning triggers, double barrels, good whiskey and bad women. But I truly like this bottle gifted to me.
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I think it’s being intentionally kept under wraps by both sides. No one seems to know for sure.
Does it matter? It’s probably much cheaper under this scenario.
The distillery moves its scotch without doing damage to its rep and Costco gets the credit and the sales.
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Understood D. I’m real particular with whom I drink. It’s nice to have expensive Scotch. It’s better to have good scotch.
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Can’t disagree. Knowing it’s expensive has a certain real or placebo effect. How can you be certain? In this instance, I’d just trust your palate.
It’s either good to you or it ain’t.
I personally love Redbreast 12. It’s not as high dollar as some nor as complex. Hell it ain’t even scotch, but it sure drinks good. So if Kirkland’s finest is in that class, drink up!
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“To the sunny slopes of long ago,”
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If you like westerns featuring those of the American Gaelic diaspora you should watch The Ballad of Buster Scruggs. The part with Tom Waits as an elderly gold prospector is fantastic.
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“The gal who got rattled” is awesome.
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I really like the whole thing. I’ve watched it at least 3 times. I thought the gold miner was the highlight tho.
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I enjoyed the whole thing but “The gal who got rattled” was just so damn sad.
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It sure was, she was so sweet and had such hope.
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The look on her face when the cowpoke proposed. . .
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“the gal that got rattled” brings to mind the song “Charlotte the Harlot, the Cowboy’s whore” sung at the Purple Onion in S.F. back in the 70s. She went to sleep with her legs open and a rattler crawled inside making her the only harlot with a crotch that would rattle and bite.
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Derek, based on your recommendation to stick with the 12 yr instead of the 23, in an exchange previously, I went with Redbreast Cask Strength form 5 Points on the Westside and it did not disappoint. Actually, I’m probably going to explore more Irish offerings (except, Connor McGregor’s lol) now.
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http://marketwatchmag.com/alexander-murray-independent-bottler/
We got too many donkies enjoying keeping it a secret.
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Thank you sir.
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A boy and his tv network:
https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1113565589836972033?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-12751273462861749964.ampproject.net%2F1903281741200%2Fframe.html
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Who cares about cancer? The world is ending in twelve years. I say smoke em if you’ve got em.
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