Bill Connelly tells us what we instinctively knew: Georgia fell fifteen spots in S&P+ from 2014 to 2015 and it all came from the transition away from Bobo to Schottenheimer.
Georgia’s 2014 offensive S&P+ ranking was sixth. With the switch in offensive coordinators, that tumbled all the way to 70th.
Defensive S&P+ rankings actually improved, from tenth to second.
Makes for an interesting debate over whether Martinez or Schottenheimer was the worse coordinator under Richt. Sure, that’s a helluva one-season drop, but Martinez does have duration working in his favor.
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Schotty almost costing us Fromm is enough to make him our worst coordinator
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Schitty was the worst.
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Choosing who’s worse between Two Thumbs and Schitty is sort of like being asked to choose between two STDs. There’s not even a lesser of two evils.
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Some valid points. However, a DC change allowed CMR to survive and even thrive again, even if problems on defense did flare up. Schotty had no cure and cost CMR his job.
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Shittenhammer. Because he was really really really bad. Even the old school church women in my family cussed him with frequent and damning curses. My 83 year old UT grad mother in law even said he should be fired.
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Whenever I want to know something about football? I ask old women.
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So you’re saying that Phyllis from Mulga isn’t the most definitive sports analyst of our time.
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So Bobo really gets none of the blame for leaving a barren hellscape of qb depth in Athens? Are we really taking the position that Georgia’s 2015 office would have been any better with Bobo calling plays and Brice “pick six” Ramsey starting?
My opinion is that it may have been slightly better under Bobo based on familiarity, but Schott coming in for one season is tantamount to judging Tom Crean after the one awful season UGA basketball just had. Yeah, they’re probably better this year if Fox is still in Athens, but Crean doesn’t have his players and his system installed yet.
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LMAO. Bobo’s last offense finished sixth with Hutson Mason at quarterback. I’d take my chances that Georgia would have finished much better than 70th had there not been a changeover at OC.
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Hutson Mason wasn’t very good, but Brice Ramsey was… a punter. I know you love Bobo, but if we’re not 70th we’re no better than 60’s with Ramsey or Bauta regardless of OC.
Hell, as untalented as those two are I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that Georgia could have been even worse with Bobo and no Lambert. Especially given the Chubb injury.
Exhibit A, Mike Bobo has been a failure at CSU, Schott is OC for one of the better NFL teams.
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You are asking me to judge Bobo on what Schottenheimer did with Brice Ramsey.
And to judge Bobo’s worth as an OC at Georgia based on his track record as a head coach at a mid-major.
I’m gonna have to take a hard pass on both, I’m afraid.
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Uh, Ramsey was bad long before Bobo left. In any event, how is that any different than assessing Bobo’s potential value in 2015 based on Schott’s inability to succeed with Bobo’s qb’s and the necessity to pull a starter off of UVA’s bench? Sorry, not seeing much more of a solid correlation.
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Am I the only one that remembers last summer’s preseason expose about the dysfunction on the team in 2015? I don’t know if the record would have been better but the product on the field absolutely would have been better if Bobo was there instead of Schottenheimer
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Didn’t Richt take play calling away from Schitty after the Florida game?
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No I never heard that. He may have restricted it.
’15 has many secrets which I don’t think those that weren’t on the staff will ever know. It was a divided staff.
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You mean the Legge exposé that was riddled with typos and consisted in large part of interviews with jilted former players?
Look, I don’t doubt that Bobo could have made a better looking shit sandwich out of the 2015 offense, but it still would have been a shit sandwich. I can’t fully blame Schott given what he inherited. Not saying I miss him, but the idea that Bobo would have succeeded in 2015 is a joke imo.
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I bet Brian didn’t land an OC job with a coach who has 2 natties and a super bowl ring that’s for sure!
Fans know better than that! It would be unthinkable!
No real championship coach would touch that guy!!
(In case you’re wondering, my answer is Willie as the worst. Shouldn’t be a debate. Bad recruiter. Worst game plan for Tech’s option that I had to suffer through. Brian’s problem was that Greyson lost his nuts on Bama week and was basically done after that. Previously he had what, 2 incompletions over two games? Not bad. Brian’s current employ should settle this. I know it won’t because fans are so damn football savvy. Just ask them.)
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Not to mention the fact that Schott had to pull Greyson off of Virginia’s bench and only had Fall camp to get him ready.
I’d go Martinez too, but Grantham deserves a nod for his comparable defensive numbers, and abject failures in games that mattered.
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At least grantham started us back in the right direction. 2 sec easts as DC aren’t bad. Willie got the sec in 2005 but that was his first season and it went downhill from there.
I actually think CTG isn’t a bad coach. His issues are recruiting and the complexity. I don’t know whether it’s terminology or not but there’s no doubt a guy like Priutt can get his guys to play faster and looser.
We’ve done a helluva a lot worse at dc over the years at DC than CTG. Hell CTG would be very close to top five consideration since I’ve been alive.
Top 4 in no order:
Erk
Pruitt
Tucker
Van Gorder
Who gets that five spot? Kines, Gibbs, Grantham, Lewis?? Lots of good and bad in there.
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The east was awful when Grantham was in Athens, plus the Prayer at Jordan Hare alone knocks him down several spots on my list. That’s his career in a microcosm. We did at least dominate bad offenses with CTG which is more than can be said for CWM.
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The east has been bad for a decade. (Hope it stays that way.)
Sorry, I can’t blame CTG for those two’s stupidity.
That was a hell of a turnaround on defense in the second half just to be in that game. You can do a lot worse than CTG at DC.
Having suffered Bell, Martinez, Ramsey and Campbell I just can’t work up a hate for Todd. He did pretty good.
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CTG recruited and coached the both of them. Ymmv.
Regularly getting run by S Carolina was the worst of his offenses for me (no pun).
Not trying to change your mind, but suffice it to say I’m glad Grantham is still at Florida and I look forward to scoring 3-4 annual third down TD’s on Florida throughout his tenure.
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In two of the USC games the offense just didn’t show up at all.
The other one sucked, but SOS is sorta good ya know?
I’m not saying I want the guy on staff, but I also know he could cobble together a plan for the cocktail party to cause us problems. Especially if we’re too reliant on a passing game.
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Grantham did a good job in 2011. UGA was 3rd in defensive S&P+ that season. Unfortunately, things started to slide from there: 15th in 2012 and 33rd in 2013.
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I find it interesting that ’11 UGA had 586 rushing attempts ’12 525, and ’13 486. A defense can look better than it actually is, if the offense intentionally grinds the game out using up clock. It was Fish Fry’s plan, Saban’s plan early on at Bama (the drive against Auburn), Smart’s plan at UGA thus far, and as ’15 went on CMR seemed to go in that direction with the GT game being the most limited playbook CMR ever used while in Athens. Grantham likely looked better in ’11 than he actually was. It is also interesting as ’11 included the Boise Game which was one of Bobo’s most head scratching games but as the season went on Bobo seemed to lean on Crowell and the ground game.
Bobo was always very boom or bust and cut the defense few breaks, if it wasn’t turnovers, it was getting in a shootout rather than using up the clock and not winning the shootout. Clemson’s 1st win over Bama was a notable exception to defenses winning championships. They came to outscore and tire Bama’s defense which they did and out executed Bama’s offense.
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Kines over Grantham without a doubt. Gibbs only had 1 season so I’d have hard time ranking him. He didn’t have time to evolve, build a D, and it was the end of Donnan’s run.
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You may be right, Derek. You lay out a pretty convincing argument until the last sentence about fans being so damn football savvy. You’re just a fan right? Anyway, to the question of whether Willie or Schottenheimer was the worst of Richt’s coordinators, I have to answer with a question. Who cares? They both sucked donkey balls and I’m glad they’re both gone. Shottenheimer’s post UGA career is irrelevant. It’s like being asked if you would rather eat a shit sandwich or eat a bowl full of shit with a spoon.
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Who cares? Mike, it’s April. 😉
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No I understand why we are talking about it. Oddly enough I can’t remember much about the 2011 season. The talk about Grantham got me thinking about it and not much about that season stands out to me other than the SECC. Not sure why. I remember the SC a little. Didn’t we make some special teams gaffe? I know we beat Florida that year but I don’t remember anything about that either. Grantham was ok if he had an unstoppable pass rusher. If he didn’t he was pretty bad.
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Anyone who was in Sanford for either the Mizzou or Alabama games in 2015 knows the answer, and it’s not even close.
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You’re right that it isn’t even close. You’re wrong in your conclusion.
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Willie Martinez won an SEC Championship. His defenses ranked 13, 8, 18, 26, and 23 in S&P+. His defenses could be absolutely atrocious at times and cost us games, but at least there were also some bright spots.
There were no bright spots with Schottenheimer. His offense ranked 70th. It scored no TDs against Mizzou and UF, one TD against Auburn and GT, and a garbage time TD against Bama. He could barely beat Ga Southern. It’s telling that your argument is “Pete Carroll hired him, so he can’t be bad!”
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Agreed
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Telling that you think you know football better than a coach with 2 natties and a super bowl ring. Quite.
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Looking back at the drive summary for the 15 Bama game, the offense was pathetic. It was a wet game but still terrible.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=400603879
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Don’t you mean Greyson Lambert was terrible?
Start with the first play. 9 pattern to MM. He’s got the corner beat by two yards. A good throw and that’s 6. A decent throw and it’s a 40 yard pick up. Greyson throws it so bad it’s incomplete.
I’m sure it was the play call.
You have zero chance of playing with Alabama I’d your qb can’t make the throws.
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In Martinez’s defense, his squads never free fell like that in the overall ratings.
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’07 UGA lost twice
USCe 16-12 in a game that I can’t blame CWM. UGA missed a FG and the offense ended their time on the field with an INT. The offense also didn’t convert a 4th and 2 on the 33 which could have been Field Goal territory if special teams wasn’t suspect..
UT 35-14 in a game where UGA was held scoreless in the 1st half, granted CWM could have had the D hold better but it was an overall team loss.
CWM was far from good but Schott was clearly worse. CWM gets a national title ring if the offense scores one TD against SC. They go on to play a batter LSU team for SEC and a raise a crystal ball instead UGA goes on to dominate Hawaii.
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Winning ten games with that team’s organizational dysfunction was no small task.
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If BoBo had remained at GA there would not have been a Fromm. He and Richt both were in love with the kid who was 5th string at FSU and has since transferred again.
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Don’t you think the love problem was the other way around?
My impression has been that Fromm picked Alabama because Jake didn’t want to be in Athens under cmr. As soon as he was gone, that all changed.
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