Bless your heart, Dabo.

I’ve got to reprint this part of a Q&A David Hale does with Clemson’s head coach in its entirety because Hale makes a valiant effort to give Swinney every First Rule of Holes chance to explain his thoughtless comment about player compensation and Dabo chooses to keep digging instead.  It reads like something straight out of a GTP comment thread, except Dabo probably makes more than all of us here combined.

ESPN: You’ve been outspoken about your concerns about paying players. The NCAA is launching a working group to look at allowing players the rights to their name and likeness. What are your thoughts on that?

Swinney: I don’t know all the dynamics, but there are a million questions about how it works. You get into equity sport to sport. Is it different for positions? I love the collegiate model. I love the model of education. I’ve always valued that. The game has changed tremendously in a positive way, and I think a lot of people aren’t informed and don’t understand how we’ve improved the game from a financial standpoint. The value of a scholarship is incredible. The improvements of meals and stipends and paying for parents to travel. There’s a lot of positives. Health care. But that doesn’t mean there’s not room to improve things, and you’ve got to always look for ways to get better. That’s the job of the NCAA.

The value of a college education is enormous when you put it on paper when you talk about scholarship and housing and tutoring and training and the value of education. It’s enormous. Sometimes when we talk about changing the model, we don’t talk about the education piece. That doesn’t count. There are things I’d love to see in continued improvement, but I think everything should be tied to education and graduation. The very few, the 1.6 percent that get to go on to the NFL, for those who don’t — maybe there’s an annuity or stipend that when they graduate, they get that. That’s a model that can be an improvement. Maybe it is the likeness. I don’t know. Then you have others out there who say we should just professionalize college athletics.

ESPN: There was a lot of criticism of your stance against paying players in light of your new contract. I think I know what your answer to this would be, that you didn’t earn $93 million at your first job either, but …

Swinney: I got paid $400 a month. I put the work in and grinded. I’m never going to apologize for working to be at the top of my profession. I didn’t get into coaching for that, but that’s how my career has gone. The CEO of Delta makes a lot of money, too, and he has a lot of people that help him be successful. What’s the average income in this country? $45,000? If we really want to professionalize it, let’s pay them $80,000. Let’s pay them $100,000. But they’ve got to pay taxes. They’ve got to pay for college. They’ve got to pay rent. They’ve got to pay their meals. They pay for their tutors. That’s the real world. You can’t have it both ways. It’s a complicated issue. It doesn’t matter what you say, so I don’t get distracted by it. Did I ever think I’d have a contract like this? No. But there’s a market, and markets drive everything.

ESPN: Well, I think that’s really the criticism, right? That the market for players isn’t as open as the one for coaches.

Swinney: And listen, I don’t have an explanation for all that. People smarter than me figure values. But I think the game’s better than it’s ever been. I think the players are in a good spot. I think there’s definitely room for improvement and it’s great we have committees that are looking for ways to burnish the student-athlete model. That’s great. But to professionalize college athletics would be — there’s just a lot of challenges that come with that when it comes to equity and Title IX. And I don’t think anybody will ever be fully satisfied. But I like that there are other options. Not everybody wants an education. I respect that. I think an education is the foundation for people’s lives. It’s hard without it.

Even if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding his sincerity — and as I said the other day, for all his aw, shucks shtick, Dabo knows the math — the lack of self-awareness on display in those comments is remarkable.  He gets paid the big bucks because he’s worked hard and risen to the top of his profession, but somehow those same rules don’t apply to Trevor Lawrence.  And Dabo doesn’t have an explanation for all that!

I’ve got the same advice for Dabo that I do for the rest of the amateurism romantics:  just say you don’t like the idea of paying players and call it a day.  You’ll sound more sensible.

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124 responses to “Bless your heart, Dabo.

  1. Hogbody Spradlin

    Dabo prays a little loud for my taste. Especially having to live around his hubris infected supplicants.

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  2. This D(um)bo thinks name and likeness will cost the schools and cause Title IX issues. It won’t cost the schools a dime.

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    • TXBaller

      “People smarter than me figure values”

      Self proclaimed ignorance doesnt sway my thinking that this Jack-wee, like a bad scotch drinker, ain’t that overly smart. I dont think any compensation committees will be dialing up the Dabo hotline anytime soon looking for his hot takes on the topic.

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  3. I’m just curious how this works once we do professionalize the sport and pay them. Will all make the same? Will they have a union? Will the other sports get a cut? Maybe someone can enlighten me since this seems so simple to others.

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    • The conferences will compete for player services and the schools will set their budgets. The same way things work in our neck of the economic world.

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    • CB

      Ah, the age old insinuation that paying players is a bad idea because somebody in the comment section doesn’t know every minute detail of the hypothetical future open player market. Cue Derek with his take on the mandatory draft of high school players.

      Paying employees works in every other industry but somehow it seems impossible and much too complicated for the top percent of football and men’s b ball players who pack out stadiums.

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      • Derek

        The problem isn’t lack of knowledge of every minute detail. The problem is a disregard for the very obvious effects of professionalism in college athletics. It’s not step 30 you’re worried about, it’s step 1 that is avoided completely by advocates of pay for play.

        I agree it ain’t fair. The schools make all the cash. However, no one forces anyone to take the deal.

        If Trevor Lawrence has better options, he should look into those.

        What does the free market offer a 18 year old QB? Not a goddamned thing.

        Clemson’s offer is superior ain’t it?

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        • “I’ve got the same advice for Dabo that I do for the rest of the amateurism romantics: just say you don’t like the idea of paying players and call it a day. You’ll sound more sensible.”

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          • Sides

            He said they are already compensated:

            “The value of a college education is enormous when you put it on paper when you talk about scholarship and housing and tutoring and training and the value of education. It’s enormous.”

            You should quit calling people with different opinions amateur romantics who like to get rich on free labor. It is a complicated issue with a lot of moving parts and at least Dabo will address it honestly. Everyone wants people like Dabo and Kirby to give opinions until they disagree with it…

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            • For the umpteen thousandth time, let me repeat in all caps, so you don’t miss it: NOBODY IS SAYING THE PLAYERS AREN’T COMPENSATED; THE ISSUE IS WHETHER THEY’RE FAIRLY COMPENSATED.

              I respect that others feel players receive enough now. What I don’t respect is all the faux rationalizations that they’re getting all they’re worth.

              You want to know how complicated this really is? If amateurism were ended tomorrow, do you think star players would receive more compensation in an open market setting? If you say yes, then all the rest is bullshit excuses. If you say no, then why do you even care whether it happens?

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              • Derek

                It depends who you’re talking about tho and that’s where things get out of control.

                Was Brice Ramsey fairly compensated? I think an argument could be made that he was OVER COMPENSATED.

                Once you start paying stars one wage and others less, that leads to very difficult issues that the professionalism romantics will not address.

                The problems are right there staring at you but you won’t touch them because somehow the concept of “fair” triumphs over the concept of “reality” and those holding the warning signs will just have to live with the havoc wrought by a stubborn and mute shortsightedness should that bold and arrogant blindness somehow succeed in the end.

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                • “I’ve got the same advice for Dabo that I do for the rest of the amateurism romantics: just say you don’t like the idea of paying players and call it a day. You’ll sound more sensible.”

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                • Sides

                  He likes the idea of paying players. He wants to pay them more. Why twist his words to fit your view? Try to discuss reasonable solutions and understand the consequences of these actions. Its better than just yelling free market…

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                • What reasonable solution did Dabo suggest? I must have missed it in his word salad.

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                • Sides

                  I said you (not Dabo) should discuss reasonable solutions instead of twisting the words of people you disagree with. Dabo said he doesn’t have the answers and it is above his pay grade, both are clearly true. You seem to have all the answers but you can’t articulate them.

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                • It’s not that I don’t have answers. It’s that I’m focused on the process and you don’t want to change that until you’ve got an end result you’re happy with. The problem with that is that I don’t have any say so about that, so even if I offered a “solution”, why should that matter to you?

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                • Sides

                  Your focused on the process? What does that even mean? You report on court cases which is good but you blog endlessly about the topic with no solutions or reasonable discussion. I guess you are for a process that is fair (whatever the fuck that means) and whatever the consequences are you don’t care because it was a fair process. I pay way too much money here for that kind of analysis.

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                • Your focused on the process? What does that even mean?

                  The NCAA needs to stop being an illegal cartel. Student-athletes need to be afforded the opportunity to negotiate their value, just like you and I do.

                  What am I missing here? Why do you have a problem understanding that?

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                • Cojones

                  And I think that is an insincere reply to Derek’s statement. Reality is where this question’s answer lies and it would be better to see how you would get “fair” pay to such a disparate group of people with differing values to their sport. C’mon, Senator, break out your levels of compensation that will be fair and not impact the sport at all so that we may see your solution to what many of us see as tangled enough not to approach it.

                  Yes, getting paid for their likeness is fair because the market dictates what they will receive and that compensation doesn’t impact each position and part of a college team nor does it get into a bidding war for a student’s services.

                  In your book you can color me stupid like Dabo, but then that just involves personalities, not reality, doesn’t it? Who is being the romantic here, Dabo, for saying he doesn’t have a solution to such problems inherent with paying college players to play or you, for not facing the reality of a problem solution while being churlish about Dabo’s honest reply?

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                • Christ, how many times do I have to say this? I don’t care what the “solution” is, as long as the process is fair.

                  If you want to get hung up on counting the number of angels on the pin head, be my guest. Just don’t drag me into your nonsense.

                  Right now, schools and the NCAA illegally collude to restrain the labor market. There’s your fucking reality for you.

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                • Derek

                  How is normalizing the Big 8 in the 1980’s going to help?

                  If guys are willing to pay football players to watch oil rigs, i.e., not do a damn thing except play football for SMU how is that a “market?”

                  It isn’t. It’s wholly imaginary. It does not and will not exist no matter how hard you wish it to be so.

                  Moreover, I don’t see this as an improvement.

                  Who among us has said: the Big 8 in the 1980’s was great, the problem was those pesky rules?

                  It’s stupid, period.

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                • “just say you don’t like the idea of paying players and call it a day. You’ll sound more sensible.” It is not that I mind the disagreement. But when you make statements like that it appears that you do not recognize that there are real possibilities of colossal negative consequences to the college game we have loved for 50 plus years from drastically changing the model that has existed over that time period. Nothing happens in a vacuum and there are often times very real unintended consequences to that type of sea change, especially when only a very few would benefit. It seems prudent to count that cost before making the purchase and not after.

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                • You have no concrete idea of what those costs are. Neither do I.

                  You want me to sign on to an “any given Saturday” fear of the consequences, which isn’t rational. Could everything blow up beyond belief? Who knows? Anything’s possible.

                  Again, what this boils down to is that your fear of the unknown should trump an illegal cartel. More power to you, but that’s exactly the point I keep making with the comment you don’t like.

                  Not only that, but to pretend there haven’t already been “colossal negative consequences to the college game we have loved for 50 plus years” beggars belief. The current version of big time college athletics is vastly different from the 1960s. We’re still around cheering it on.

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                • CB

                  Whoever said that paying players would result in an economic utopia? Of course there would be problems. There are problems with the current illegal system, but how is that relevant information. You may as well argue that if we pay players it will be hot af in July. No shit lol. Yeah, some players will be overcompensated as workers are in every other profession. There are asshats who make more money than they’re worth all over the place. We probably overpaid for Deangelo Gibbs, but it hasn’t affected my life why would it affect yours?

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              • Greg

                “If amateurism were ended tomorrow, do you think star players would receive more compensation in an open market setting?”

                NO! ….for the most part, but I guess some of that would also depend on what age they are, right (NFL rule)??….and if you are of age and good enough, declare. So maybe a YES! … but that is the chance they take. Nothing holding them back, let them explore, they have choices at that point.

                “THE ISSUE IS WHETHER THEY’RE FAIRLY COMPENSATED.

                What’s fair compensation??

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                • Fair compensation is negotiated compensation, not one-sided compensation imposed by an illegal cartel.

                  You guys keep focusing on the terms of the deal. I just want there to be a deal that both sides have an opportunity to reach.

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                • Greg

                  Yep….damn those details.

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                • Whatever those details are, as long as they’re negotiated in good faith on both sides, I’m cool with that.

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                • Derek

                  So if Dabo’s 9 mil a year were evenly distributed to Clemson’s athletes, you’d still bitch because Trevor is worth more than the back up LG?

                  Is it really about “fairness” or is it more about a concept that colleges must host a professional minor league or have no sports at all?

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                • “I’ve got the same advice for Dabo that I do for the rest of the amateurism romantics: just say you don’t like the idea of paying players and call it a day. You’ll sound more sensible.”

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            • Macallanlover

              You are right Sides, Dabo sounds a lot more sensible than those who argue the other side of this issue. And since they can’t see the other side, they choose to call them names to categorize as lesser thinkers. (Lot of that going around from these pie-in-the-sky utopians too.)

              I don’t think they care if the economics of this particular situation will tear down, or significantly, wound the collegiate sports system, but I do see them prevailing. In Dabo’s remarks he acknowledges the idea of setting the money aside until later, this may at least result in some benefit. Hopefully, it gets shared from some pool of other athletes who contribute to the superstars’ success.

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        • CB

          Monopolies by definition eliminate competition, therefore Lawrence doesn’t have a better option nor does he have a free market to enter. The market is regulated and capped well below his value (again he probably already got money under the table, but of course you necessarily ignore that as it completely destroys your argument).

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          • Derek

            Bullshit.

            No one is stopping anyone from starting a football league, signing Trevor and selling tickets to watch him.

            How the fuck did we lose Herschel shit head?

            The problem isn’t that no one is allowed to pay them a legit wage, its that no one will. If they did, I’d bet the kids would still find more value in big time college ball because of the stage it provides that no minor league ever will.

            You want to know what the real market is?

            Ask a a few wannabe pro sports team investors what they would pay Trevor for three years of service.

            I assure you it will be less in real terms than what Clemson is providing.

            Those same kids that would get rich under so-called college level professionalism all just played in a new pro league this spring for not dick and it was too damn expensive to stay afloat for a season.

            It ain’t the fucking players that are driving this bus. If it were,we’d have stopped and watched the Ol’ Ball Sack’s team. We didn’t. Because who gives a flying fuck?

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            • CB

              Is that a serious question? What are you talking about? Herschel left for a league that had financial stability at a time when tv contracts were didn’t come close to approaching what they are today. The USFL had a contract with ABC and actually turned a profit. Surely you can comprehend that nothing similar exists today.

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              • Derek

                Surely you can comprehend that’s not Clemson’s fault or are you even dumber than what your posts would suggest?

                Btw: Herschel signed before the USFL had played a down, dipshit.

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                • CB

                  Herschel signed with the USFL because they brought $5 million to the table making him the highest paid player in the league, and paying him more than the NFL had ever paid anyone which is why they also stole 8 other NFL first rounders dipshit (and because they tricked him). Like I said, they had financial stability that no other competing league has today.

                  Clemson isn’t the problem the NCAA is. If the market is open and Clemson doesn’t want to play players that’s fine by me. Hell, if they open the market and nobody wants to pay players that’s fine by me, so long as the market is open. But we both know that wouldn’t happen.

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            • CB

              Nobody is stopping a new internet company from coming in to compete and bring the US up to date with the rest of the world except yes they are stopping them because internet companies have non compete clauses in different regions of the company just like the NCAA which is why the internet in S Korea is 10x cheaper and 10x faster. See how that works?

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              • Derek

                Show me Clemson’s non-compete clause.

                There’s a reason there is no pro team for Lawrence to sign with.

                No market for it.

                He’s worth exactly $0 on the open market.

                He’s valuable to the nfl in 2 years. He’s valuable to Clemson and ONLY Clemson for now.

                He should storm into Dabo’s office and say: “I demand to be paid!”

                Dabo: “I’ll match any offer you have.”

                Trevor: (slinks out of office)

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                • CB

                  There’s no market because the NCAA is a cartel and has a monopoly (which is illegal). You keep proving my point lol. Clemson’s non compete clause comes in the form of the NCAA’s transfer restrictions and compensation rules. Feel free to google them.

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                • CB

                  You haven’t even mentioned the HS player draft today. What gives? Isn’t that your trump card?

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                • Derek

                  It’s certainly your hobgoblin.

                  The issue of the draft comes up because that’s what every EVERY sports league uses to maintain some semblance of competitive balance.

                  Drafts, unions, strikes and hold outs are all part of this wonderful future you’ve invented.

                  Maybe if you really apply yourself we can be as disinterested in college football as we are with the NFL.

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                • CB

                  NFL is doing alright last I heard.

                  As for the draft, we’ve already established that P5 college football is a black market professional league. How on earth are they surviving without a draft?

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              • ugafidelis

                Is the internet really cheaper and faster in S Korea??

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                • CB

                  Yessir, they have some of the best internet in the world and it’s way cheaper. The internet providers in the US negotiated autonomy to do as they pleased arguing that they were providing a public service by laying all the wire. Or something like that. I can’t remember exactly how it went.

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      • chopdawg

        So, how much are we going to pay these employees?

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      • No, these are pretty basic questions, not minute details, and apparently you don’t have a fucking clue either. I am not against paying anyone.

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        • CB

          Right, which is perfectly fine because neither of us work in athletic administration at UGA (or any P5 school) so there would be no reason for us to know (or care) about the details. I’m not interested in seeing Kirby’s tax returns why tf would I care about the details involved in player compensation? And if I was interested I damn sure wouldn’t seek out the answers in the comment sections of a football blog. YMMV.

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  4. CB

    That was one hell of a backpedal Dabo hot when he made the mistake of sloppily brought up the fact that the “market” dictates his contract lol.

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  5. Got Cowdog

    93 million fucking dollars. That’s mind boggling. But hey, he put the work in and grinded you know. And hey, he’s not apologizing ’cause, you know, the CEO of Delta does pretty good too. And low level Delta employees don’t make what the CEO does, Right? And they seem happy to have a job. And Delta employees don’t have a 2 in 100 chance to make it really big in the NFL! And hey, there’s a market, right? It’s not Dabo’s fault ……

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    • CB

      He left out the part about how he only flies Delta because 1% of their flight attendants are worth the price of admission lol.

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      • Got Cowdog

        I fly quite a bit. 1% may be a little harsh. 🙂 But I’m older now and appreciate quality service.

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  6. jtp03

    If he’s all about the education piece then he should be a middle school coach, where the kids most likely learn and retain more knowledge than they do in college.

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  7. chopdawg

    You think Trevor Lawrence has risen to the top of his profession?

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  8. PTC DAWG

    I don’t like the idea of paying players.

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    • Biggen

      Agreed.

      I don’t like it at all.

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    • Derek

      I just think that Dabo should stop forcing Trevor Lawrence to make his case to be the no. 1 draft pick on national tv. It’s a horrifying exploitation that will ultimately earn Trevor more money than Dabo has.

      Terrible.

      After all Trevor could be making $0 in complete anonymity in literally every other place on the planet, but on a college campus, from 18 to 20 years of age.

      Where do we gather and sing “we shall overcome?”

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      • “I’ve got the same advice for Dabo that I do for the rest of the amateurism romantics: just say you don’t like the idea of paying players and call it a day. You’ll sound more sensible.”

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        • Derek

          …than people who want to bring professional sports to college campuses?

          Given that any random utterance is more sensible than promoting bringing professionalism to college athletics, that proposed phrase is simply an example of the unlimited supply of them.

          FWIW: if the sec wants to pay $X to Fromm and to our women’s soccer goalie, I’m cool with that. It isn’t compensation that I have a problem with. It’s unregulated market capitalism for players that I have a problem with.

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          • “I’ve got the same advice for Dabo that I do for the rest of the amateurism romantics: just say you don’t like the idea of paying players and call it a day. You’ll sound more sensible.”

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            • Derek

              FIFY:

              “I’ve got the same advice for the Senator that I do for the rest of the professionalism romantics: just say you don’t have any idea of what happens once they start professionalizing college athletics and call it a day. You’ll sound more sensible.”

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          • CB

            Exactly, and we should also pay female entry level jobs the same as high level management (if they are men). After all, we send them all to professional development seminars which is education. So yeah, Title IX ftw.

            PS Players are already payed under the table, and they receive COA stipends so your favorite college football team is professional. Here’s your sign (let’s bring this phrase back).

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            • Derek

              If that’s true what’s your bitch exactly?

              Transparency? FOIA?

              If there’s an underground market then just let it be and shut the fuck up.

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              • CB

                My bitch is the suspensions of Todd Gurley and AJ Green and the possibility of future such sanctions, also the FBI prosecuting those that don’t follow the cartel rules of the NCAA. Wow, you’re really on full dumbass mode today.

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    • There you go!

      That wasn’t so hard, was it? 😉

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    • jtp03

      Tough shit, they’re already getting paid.

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  9. Chadwick

    Lot’s of dumbass in Dabo’s comments. Luckily for his pupils he’s not an economic professor. What a myopic prick.

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  10. Gurkha Dawg

    I know a way to introduce a little market force into college football. The UGA football team gets together next week and decides that they are being unfairly compensated. They announce that the “powers that be” have until the beginning of class in August to fix it or no one is suiting up. The shit storm would be off the chart. I think the players would get about anything they wanted. What do y’all think would happen?

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    • Greg

      If that was to happen, it would more than likely spread to other schools…maybe play some walkons???

      I’d be cool with it…

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    • Derek

      Cancellation of their scholarships.

      You don’t think there’s 85 guys willing to take those spots?

      With a transfer portal? Dude….

      You can say it’s unfair, but in the minds of HS footballers UGA is making a very attractive offer that far more than 25 guys a year would sign up for in a heart beat.

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      • Gurkha Dawg

        Do you really think that’s what would happen. You may be right, but I think there is way too much money being made ( by everyone except the players), to risk screwing things up.

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        • Derek

          You think the money follows the current roster.

          I don’t.

          If the NFL is willing to play with scabs off the street, don’t you think there’s a much lesser drop in talent between the guys who want more than a scholly and the guys that are happy with just a scholly?

          These guys are easily replaced and they’ve got nowhere to go.

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      • CB

        LOLOLOLOLOL yeah, Georgia plays all walkons and transfers against an SEC schedule. Those donations would keep rolling right on in LOL. No problem at all. With all your talk about negative implications how are you not seeing the downside to lining up against Notre Dame with Prather Hudson and Matthew Downing running the show?

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  11. Bill Glennon

    And if you can’t even address the downside of pay for play, you are virtual signalling.

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    • If you feel the downside is such that you can’t even consider letting players negotiate the way you and I do when we offer our services, I prefer my virtue to yours.

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      • Derek

        Why and how is it a typical professional services contract?

        If you get sick and can’t do the work, do you still get paid?

        If you do a shitty job do you still get paid?

        Once your customer knows you’ll never do the job well, do you still get paid?

        Can you decide not to do the work to save your energy for a higher paying gig and still get paid?

        A LOI is NOT a professional services contract in any sense.

        Everyone wants to focus on the atypical, transcendent player and not the run of the mill worked his ass off to get a free education and knows he’ll never see a pro training camp guy. But he’ll, why not fuck those guy in the name of protecting the financial well being of soon to be millionaires?

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  12. DawgPhan

    Seems like the ship sailed on professionalizing college sports a long time ago and UGA was at the center of the whole thing.

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  13. Greg

    I do …and I would support it if players would want to walk. Bunch of hungry south Georgia HS walkons versus Alabama’s???

    Hell, I would enjoy that.

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    • Gurkha Dawg

      You might be on to something Greg. Let’s get rid of ALL athletic scholarships and all teams field a team of walk ons. You wouldn’t play football for UGA unless you really wanted to play for UGA. Real student athletes. That would bring the passion back to college football.

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      • Greg

        To me, that is what separates the pros from college….the passion. We lose that, we lose college football imo (the way we know it).

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  14. FlyingPeakDawg

    If only there were examples to explore where a sports league…real or virtual…would agree to assign each team a total dollar limit and then let them offer players however much they wanted as long as the total did not exceed the team cap.

    Scholarships have real monetary value. Not every school’s scholarship is equal, nor are they equal for instate vs. out-of-state kids. So let the value of each scholarship “float” with the market…Jake Fromm gets tuition, room, board, health, etc. PLUS maybe a bigger stipend than a freshman DL. These are one year deals. Total the value of the scholarships together to reach a cumulative team total and have the SEC set the total team cap. Other conferences will follow and if the NCAA (which IS the schools) could create a common framework, “fairness” can be maintained, kids receive more value but some romantic semblance of education vs. professionalism can be maintained.

    I have to go set my fantasy PGA golf team for this week now and start thinking about my fantasy NFL draft using the allotted league budget.

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  15. Hogbody Spradlin

    “Fair” doesn’t enter into it and shouldn’t enter into it because “fair” is a subjective concept. If they’re gonna pay players, the decision how much to pay merely needs to be “rational”, without one side being able to make the bargain absurd by having a cartel with a take it or leave it bargaining position.
    There will be unintended consequences. Nothing earth shaking about that.

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    • Bingo.

      And beyond that, remember that, unless there’s a collective bargaining agreement, each conference would be free to pursue its own version of rationality. That’s called competition, and it’s another reason why it’s difficult to suggest a one size fits all “solution”.

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    • Derek

      There will NOT be any rationality, period.

      Is it rational to pay Brian Bosworth to watch an oil rig? To not wash a car?

      The idea that professionalism leads to rationality is irrational.

      We know how the black market works. Why would normalizing it be any different?

      From the payees it will be worse.

      Can you imagine dealing with these primary donnas when they’ve decided they need to renegotiate?

      “I would play next week vs. the gators but my sponsors ain’t showing me the love! I mean I may show up but will I catch it? Who can say really? My hands get bad when my money ain’t right.”

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      • Hogbody Spradlin

        You’re the only one who’s said anything about professionalism leading to rationality. I was saying something else, which is still there in my comment.

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  16. 92 grad

    Seems fair to me to have the television networks pay each athlete that competes on television. This means that every game that is broadcast fairly compensates the athletes of any sport. For example, espn cuts a check to the conference. The conference cuts checks to the athletes. All the athletes on the bench could get a minimum wage which protects the notion that playing time is rewarded, and, you don’t get paid until you earn it.

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  17. spur21

    JFK to Dabo: I want to place men on the moon.
    Dabo to JFK: I don’t know how to do that – it would be hard – something might go wrong. We already have airplanes to defy gravity so we don’t need to go to the moon.

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  18. Derek

    I have a solution:

    For every draft ineligible football player: every school is required to match any formal, official, domestic, professional league offer after offsetting the COA.

    For every draft eligible player: they are not entitled to anything having decided for themselves that entry into the draft was not in their interest.

    In other words: status quo, but a free market one.

    Happy?

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    • Since I doubt anyone who’s in a position to do something concrete could GAS about your solution, it’s safe to say I don’t either.

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    • ugafidelis

      You’re going straight to athletes being salaried employees. What you appear to be overlooking is the fact the university, clothing lines, apparel stores, and video games can make billions of dollars of the jerseys and likeness of SOME of these players, but those players will be suspended from play for earning a grand or two from signing or selling their own jersey. What is your fix for that?

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      • Derek

        Everyone acts like this is some random self serving transparently unfair rule.

        It isn’t.

        W
        How much would a Georgia fan pay Herschel for his HS during recruitment?

        A lot. Probably less than his signature on the LOI was worth.

        You can just assume that every potential endorsement comes from Nike.

        Every business owner in Alabama would have sponsorship deals with kids before they even met Saban. Saban would direct which sponsors to which players and how much they should offer.

        This isn’t a free market and it doesn’t advance the sport and hence I’m against it.

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  19. TNDAWG

    Why is the NCAA against paying players? Goes back to the days of boosters paying players to go to their college. Think that will ramp up when it is legit to pay players for whatever. College football has been a passion of mine for over 50 years. Not anymore. Pay em who gives a damn, not me.

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  20. TNDAWG

    Not surprised since I have reading comprehension difficulties. You think some booster aint gonna buy a jersey for 10K? Gonna happen.

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  21. Hobnail_Boot

    I don’t like the idea of paying players beyond their current compensation.

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  22. Ohio

    If this were a simple issue, one guy would say something and everyone else would just say “yeah” (or press “Like”). Everyone has their own take and few of them lack any thread of reason. My take is that I hate the thought of college football changing to the Yankees and Red Sox and Dodgers sporting payrolls that put most other programs at a massive disadvantage. But I also recognize that there isn’t an option for 18-year old athletes to earn a living based on their athletic ability to play football.

    It’s a half-baked argument that college football has to change for kids to have a chance to earn what they’re worth playing football. Just end the argument that pro football is too dangerous for an 18-year old kid to play. Even if it is dangerous, don’t the rest of us have the option of choosing to risk our lives at any profession we desire? I’m pretty sure some of those kids on a crab boat off Dutch Harbor are 18 years old. Isn’t that at least as dangerous as playing football?

    Yes, sadly, 18 year-olds don’t have the opportunity to play in the NFL under current rules. So what if all those 18-year olds could go play for the AAF, XFL or equivalent – we’ve seen how much the sporting public appreciates those arenas. We can’t say definitively what would happen if the NFL had the equivalent of a G-League but I’m confident it would inspire about the same amount of passion as the NBA’s minor league. How much do those guys make? How does that compare to the price of attending college?

    If an 18-year old has the opportunity to play professional football, can we just leave college football alone? What’s missing today is the chance for an 18-year old to enter the profession of American football. Hell, I don’t care – let a 10-year old get drafted if someone thinks he deserves his God-given right to make a living. I realize that the NFL has no incentive to fund a minor league when college football serves as a better minor league than they could ever invent. But legislating that colleges must provide an open market is not the only answer. Congress could also legislate that preventing an 18-year old citizen from earning a living as an NFL football player is an unfair labor practice. Then colleges can focus on taking what ever is left to provide the extracurricular activity of collegiate football to their academic enrollees.

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    • But legislating that colleges must provide an open market is not the only answer. Congress could also legislate that preventing an 18-year old citizen from earning a living as an NFL football player is an unfair labor practice.

      The two situations aren’t legally equivalent.

      The NFL has an antitrust exemption and a CBA. The NCAA is an illegal cartel.

      The NCAA doesn’t want Congress to force the NFL to take 18-year olds. It wants an antitrust exemption of its own.

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      • Ohio

        I agree, Senator, about what colleges want…right now. I’m not so sure the same thinking remains at the majority of colleges if they are all forced to pay a “fair” wage. Other than the “one and dones”, I think most critics believe college basketball and baseball are fair because those kids have the option of making a living at their chosen sport. If they don’t believe they can make enough at 18 to justify going professional or they value a college education, they accept scholarships.

        I’m not trying to turn this into a debate over the flaws of the NBA and MLB systems relative to the NFL. Just pointing out that there is less controversy over paying college kids other than football players (but maybe that’s just because Adidas has been surreptitiously paying the hoops studs for so long).

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