Life on the plantation

Screenshot_2019-06-11 The Other Matt Brown on Twitter

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Nineteen.  Forty-six.  At least the players were getting some money for selling their services back then.

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36 responses to “Life on the plantation

  1. Gaskilldawg

    That newspaper article was before “The Sanity Code” in 1948. The Sanity Code prohibited schools playing players.

    Too bad there are so few folks alive who were UGA fanatics in the 1940s when we were so dominant. We could ask them if Charlie Trippi getting more money per year from Georgia Alum Harold Keatron than Trippi’s father earned in a year ruined their Rose Bowl experience.

    I suspect UGA’s performance the ten years after passage of The Sanity Code was worse for those folks.

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  2. Ricky McDurden

    The greatest trick the NCAA ever pulled was making the general public believe qualms about amateurism and pay-for-play are modern problems arisen by TV and large coaching and professional player contracts.

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  3. ChiliDawg

    Goddamn, Paul Douglas was WOKE AF.

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  4. Bill Glennon

    Football players are slaves now? If it’s so evil, why do you contribute money in support of it?

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    • Football players are slaves now? If it’s so evil, why do you contribute money in support of it?

      Objectionable to Bill now: Fans’ support of college football despite players not receiving fair compensation.
      Objectionable to Bill soon: Fans’ support of college football despite players receiving fair compensation.

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      • Bill Glennon

        I must be an “Emmert Lover”. If you can’t respond intelligently, attack personally.

        Your contributions go to McGarrity’s “plantation”, right? If you feel so strongly about this topic so as to compare college football players with slavery and schools as plantation owners, then why don’t you stand up for your principles and withhold your contributions until changes are made and college athletes are compensated?

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        • I didn’t call you an Emmert lover, man. I just pointed out that you’ve got a thing about player compensation.

          Those quotes didn’t come from me, they came from a school president seventy years ago. The point to this post wasn’t to lob inflammatory accusations, but to point out that player compensation has been part of college football’s rich tapestry for many moons. And despite that, you seem to keep hanging around. 😉

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    • Derek

      He’s saying that it’s a slave market when football players are bought and paid for with cash.

      There is no slavery in kids trying to earn a college education in exchange for their academic and/or athletic talents.

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  5. Derek

    I’d note that he’s calling it a “slave market” because of the money not because there is no money.

    Cecil selling his kid for 180k is exactly what is being described.

    Putting these kids up to the highest bidder just turns it into a more obscene slave market.

    Play with college students who want to play football too.

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  6. chopdawg

    College football players were getting paid 2-3K?…in the ’40s? Wow, makes me wonder how much REAL slaves make.

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  7. Bill Glennon

    Let’s go full circle now with a post from the 40s about someone comparing the NCAA to the Nazis.

    A holocaust mention would really push the virtue signalling to a level that is similarly irrational, but soooooo emotionally satisfying.

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  8. Macallanlover

    Seems all labor performed by anyone not working for their own company can be classified this way. Pretty much the same spiel used by labor unions and Marx/Lenin isn’t it? I understand it is great to be in control of your own life in every way possible, but this broad reach is a net that takes down many good/positive things. “working for the man” isn’t always a bad thing, many of us had enjoyable careers working for a quality corporate company, and some followed that with their own private ventures capitalizing on what they learned while serving as a slave.

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    • … but this broad reach is a net that takes down many good/positive things. “working for the man” isn’t always a bad thing, many of us had enjoyable careers working for a quality corporate company…

      So, are student-athletes employees or not, Mac?

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      • Macallanlover

        I understand the fine line here, do you? I see it as an intern position and preparation for what many aspire to be, like OJT, without the J meaning the same thing. College is to prepare all students to succeed in the future, SA get a “double shot” of preparation in this case. I think the model is pretty good, and wanted it upgraded a few years ago to include a decent spending allowance. How “play for pay” is implemented, when it comes, will also affect how it is received (equal pay for all, paid immediately or held for graduation, etc.)

        I don’t buy into the “divide the pie” idea just because some programs have excess cash, but I do agree there is significant waste in the system for the top programs and better oversight is needed. Personally would like to see reducing the student activity fees with some of that money, and increasing the size of scholarship awards for smaller athletic programs before paying HCs $30MM+ contracts and putting in new buildings with fancy bell and whistle toys.

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        • College is to prepare all students to succeed in the future…

          Since that doesn’t preclude students, even those on full scholarship, from receiving compensation on the open market, why should that preclude student-athletes? Your wish list requires kids in revenue producing programs to subsidize everything by accepting less than their worth in an open market setting. I doubt that’s something you willingly accepted for yourself. I know I haven’t.

          So, yeah, I think I’ve got a pretty good handle on your fine line.

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          • Macallanlover

            Yeah, I think there are special circumstances relative to other students that have to considered; so this market may not be as totally free as some wish. Won’t satisfy any who demand exactly that but might get to a solution that works. Alternative would be something like we have: “kinda pure”, mixed breed amateurism that seems to please few.

            Intern fits it best for me because there is a market for that in the workplace, and this is a much better situation than those “tweeners” get. But they have requirements and duties without being actual employees.

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            • Classic City Canine

              Mac, I guess you’re not up on the times. There are lots of unpaid interns who are sick of getting a raw deal on their “OJT” experience. Just because you call it an internship doesn’t mean it’s not exploitive.

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              • Macallanlover

                I guess I don’t consider receiving room, board, books, tuition, tutors, top-drawer health benefits, training, and some spending money truly exploiting trainees. We all define it differently I guess. My calling it an internship is just a way to say it is a pretty good deal comparatively for HS grads to get while chasing their dream and having a chance to get an education to provide a Plan B in case they don’t get their first career choice.

                I suspect most any unhappy interns wouldn’t grumble much at that, but who knows. I do know making people happy these days seems difficult as expectations are off the charts. Folks seem to like complaining I suppose.

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            • The firm I work for hires interns at just a little bit lower pay rate than a college graduate new hire. Someone who takes a unpaid internship now does it for a reason … I want to work for that company, so I’ll accept the unpaid position to learn, build relationships, prove myself, etc. even though I may have an alternative that is a paid internship at a company I really don’t want to go work for.

              The question isn’t whether student-athletes are paid now … they are because the scholarship is a payment for their services. The question is a legal one … is it legal for the 360 colleges & universities who participate in Division 1 to collude on the price of labor?

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    • Comparing labor unions with Marx/Lenin is, well, an argument I have never heard before.

      A labor/management negotiation is a free market negotiation of the terms of the sale of a factor of production. I always thought that free market negotiation of the terms of the sale of a factor of production was the opposite of Marxism.

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      • Macallanlover

        Agree it isn’t tit for tat, but it is certainly in the family with a demand for a voice for the working class/laborer versus the management/decision makers (nobility/government). You can argue that is too broad, but it has a common start point, imo. I might be more on the need for authority to have more say than the masses, but anyone who doesn’t feel the need for all “levels/sides” to be included to some degree fails to see why some fail, and some succeed wildly. Inclusiveness is absolutely a major factor to success, but it has a point where someone has to be in charge for the overall good. It is way too involved to debate all the factors here, but I agree with “seats at the table”, just not via a gun to the head. Well run groups don’t get to that point.

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  9. As others here have noted, the use of the word “slavery” in any context associated with college football is, for lack of a better term, fucking retarded.

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    • I totally agree … it’s just dumb and meant to be inflammatory.

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    • Derek

      A half-assed slave auction was the first image I had when I heard that Cecil put Cam on the market for 180k.

      The problem is that people with good intentions want to give every parent the opportunity to literally sell their son to the highest bidder and see nothing remotely wrong with it.

      So yes, there is a place for the idea that buying and selling people as chattel is, at a minimum, an unfortunate imagery.

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      • An example of slavery is what the Turks do with Eastern European women naive enough to go there looking for housekeeping work, only to be kidnapped, locked in a room, and forced to sexually please dozens of men daily, or else be beaten within a inch of their lives. That is slavery. To use that word to describe anything having to do with college football is insulting to actual slaves the world over.

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        • Derek

          So we’re arguing over the degree of brutality of the pimps?

          What’s the difference between that and haggling over price?

          We may have treated Japanese better than the Nazis treated the Jewish people but I don’t think it insults the memory of the Holocaust to say our policy of internment was wrong.

          Bad is bad. Wrong is wrong. Even when it’s not history’s most extreme example. Those extremes fail to teach any lessons if you learn nothing unless there are ovens.

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    • I agree with the blanket use of the term, “slavery.” Slavery was an abomination; slaves had no role in deciding to be owned. If they did not wish to be slaves they were subject to being whipped within an inch of their lives.

      While I agree that the players deserve market based compensation and deserve more control over their lives, to equate it with never being able to leave the institution and risk of death is overblown and distracts from the real argument.

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  10. whb209

    Adjusted for inflation, $3,000.00 in 1946 is equal to $41,412.03 in 2019.
    $3000.00 in 1946 was a good bit of money. What would a top high school player cost today and how many universities could afford to jump into the new free market the Senator would like to see? I would guess that Justin Fields would have gone on the block for a couple of hundred thousand. The Fields deal did not work out so well. Does he have a contract that forces him to stay at UGa ? How does this disaster work?

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    • It’s called the market. If Georgia and Justin Fields signed a 4-year contract worth $200,000 per year, Fields would have been required to stay at Georgia or be found in breach of contract if he left to play college football at anOSU. In his case (and everyone else), there would be some contractual provision that would cover both sides in case one didn’t want to remain in the contract.

      Some student-athletes would negotiate for better security. Some may negotiate for additional money. Some may only be able to negotiate for the status quo (the full COA scholarship renewed yearly) to attend the university of their choice even though a lesser school may have offered them more money.

      Not every school in the Power 5 much less in D-1 can afford $63,000,000 recruiting lounges or $30,000,000 indoor practice facilities, but that hasn’t stopped universities from deciding they want to play football at the FBS or basketball at the D-1 level.

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  11. Literally no entity in America can make these kids sign their names on the dotted line to attend college. Sure parents can pressure kids, but that’s a far cry from slavery.

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  12. Bigshot

    And you think they are not getting any now?

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  13. Hobnail_Boot

    I remain amazed that some people think players aren’t already being paid.

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