On the road, again

I guess it’s my day for asking questions, but for those of you who advocate moving the Cocktail Party out of Jacksonville and making it just another SEC East home-and-home deal because having that extra game in Athens every other season is more advantageous for the Dawgs, doesn’t that line of thought apply equally to this?

Isn’t it just as much a disadvantage for Georgia to travel to places like Oklahoma and FSU instead of scheduling another home cupcake as it is to play in Jax?  In fact, as those games aren’t being played at neutral sites, but at opponents’ stadiums, isn’t it more of a disadvantage?  Is Kirby dumb for pursuing this approach as hard as he has?

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26 responses to “On the road, again

  1. Gaskilldawg

    If our UF game goes home and away in 2023 we would play at Oklahoma, at Florida in the swamp, at Tennessee and at Auburn, and at Tech as well as at Vandy. Tough row to hoe.

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    • Gaskilldawg

      By the way, anyone know which SEC West team we play in 2023?

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      • Hobnail_Boot

        @ Ole Miss
        vs. Auburn

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        • Gaskilldawg

          Beginning in 2013 we have been playing Auburn at Auburn in odd numbered years and playing the rotating West opponent in Athens in odd years (remember beating MSU in Athens and losing at Auburn in 2017, winning at Auburn and losing in Athens to Alabama in 2015, and beating LSU in Athens and losing at Auburn in 2013?) What year will we be flipping the Auburn game to our home game in odd years? 2021 or 2023?

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          • Bigshot

            There’s no flipping, right? We just moved the game to an earlier date. Another great example of UGA just rolling over to give someone else an advantage.

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          • Hobnail_Boot

            I may have had my road splits incorrect but we definitely play Ole Miss that year.

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            • Gaskilldawg

              Ole Miss in Athens in 2023 makes sense since Ole Miss hasn’t played in Athens since 2007. We have played at Ole Miss twice since Ole Miss last played in Athens (@ Ole Miss in 2011 and @ Ole Miss in 2016.)

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  2. But, but, but Kirby loses a recruiting weekend every other year if we stay in Jacksonville.

    I think some people try to convince themselves it’s better for Georgia to move the Cocktail Party to campus … the real reason is they likely have vested interests in that weekend to have the game in Athens.

    For others, it’s the battered fan syndrome of not knowing what it was like in Jacksonville pre-1990 when Jort Nation wanted the game moved.

    For others, they don’t go to Jacksonville, so the Cocktail Party makes their season ticket package less valuable.

    As I mentioned before, this coming from someone who hasn’t been to Jacksonville since Jim Donnan and Quincy Carter threw the 2000 game away.

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  3. JasonC

    Does Saban give up a recruiting weekend when they play in the Kickoff Classic games in ATL and Dallas? I’m not sure what restrictions there are for those, but they seem to play in one of those almost every year.

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    • Bright Idea

      Great question. Why give up on J’ville but play a neutral in ATL? What’s the difference to recruiting? Plus ATL has far fewer seats than J’ville or Sanford.

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      • That is my question concerning the lost crootin’ weekend, attack the restrictions and/or policy (if it’s sec related) not the venue…should both universities want change, move on…

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  4. PTC DAWG

    Notice how GT is an afterthought on that list…no win situation.

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    • Russ

      I didn’t take it that way. I took it as “BTW, Georgia already has a P5 opponent every year in GT”. I like stomping the nerds each year and I still think it helps overall, but we do need Tech to beat someone with a pulse each year (Pitt, Miami, UNC, etc).

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  5. Hobnail_Boot

    The mentality could be that Florida’s a set part of the schedule, so try to work every angle you can on it.

    W/r/t Oklahoma et al, the national exposure plus potential SOS trump card may outweigh hosting Jimmy Linenacker in Athens for a game against Eastern Louisiana Dental Tech.

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  6. GruvenDawg

    Bottom line I think Kirby wants the ability to host recruits in Jax. I believe the NCAA rules were changed at one time to allow recruiting visits at neutral site games (~2011-2013). At that time UF and UGA agreed not to hosts recruits. I am not sure if those rules are still valid or not. Jax would need to provide the space, amenities, food, etc to host those recruits and their families. The problem is official visits don’t have any interaction with campus and I am not sure what is allowed to be offered to kids and families for unofficial visits (food, tickets, access to UGA suite area. etc)

    If UF, JAX, and UGA don’t agree to allowing the home team to host recruits watch out. I think this is the out from Kirby to keep the game in Jax. If you think his stance is public now wait until the contract is resigned without allowing for recruits on the home team.

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    • Gaskilldawg

      One big issue with hosting recruits in Jax is that UGA would have to take tickets away from donors with sizable Hartman Fund scores to make them available free for recruits and families.

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  7. tbia

    I think Kirby sees it as another marquis game in Athens. The kids we are recruiting all have options. hell yeah, they are gonna hit the highway to see Auburn vs. LSU instead of Georgia vs. Eastern Kentucky.

    To answer, no…..they are not equal comparisons.

    BTW, the Auburn game is never flipping back.

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  8. CEPH

    Think about all the Fla. Kids that could make it to Jax. but not Athens. Kirby is allowed to give
    Them tickets or sideline passes. With all the success he has had recruiting Fla. what is he talking about. Personally I think he is just pissing against the wind!!

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  9. ATL Dawg

    Kirby wants as many big home games as possible. Notre Dame, UCLA, FSU, Texas, Clemson, and Oklahoma are big home games. Florida would be a big home game every other year.

    He also looks to be using a neutral site kickoff game when we didn’t plan the schedule out far enough in advance to get 2 or 3 power 5 teams on the schedule (see 2020, 2022, and 2024). Whether or not he wants 2 or 3 power 5 teams in any given year, you’d have to ask him (currently, we only have 2 future years with 3 power 5’s – 2028 and 2029). Anyway, I expect us to continue to sprinkle these kickoff games in when Kirby wants the upcoming year’s schedule to have another power 5 team but it’s too late to line up a home/home that includes that year.

    I’m a season ticket holder and someone who attends the Florida game in Jacksonville every 5 years or so (and stays on St. Simons). I’m also someone who goes to 1 or 2 road games every year. With that said, I’m pretty happy with Kirby’s approach to scheduling. I’m all for having a good home schedule and playing 2 or 3 power 5 teams OOC. I’m also in favor of playing some big road games, which the home & home approach provides. I’m not a fan of playing neutral site regular season games, be it in Atlanta, Jacksonville, or elsewhere. And playing the Florida game in Jacksonville doesn’t appeal to me as much as playing it home & home (FWIW, I would probably go to the game in Gainesville once every 5 or 6 years).

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  10. W Cobb Dawg

    Question: Will gtu lose a recruiting day when they play at the Benz? Aren’t they are simply moving a home game to another venue? I assume recruiting continues as normal for gtu on that weekend.

    So is Jax a “neutral site” or a “home & home” series? IF UGA is the home team in Jax every other year I’d assume we are allowed to have recruits. If Jax is currently deemed a neutral site (i.e., not allowed to have recruits), then why not just re-designate it as home & home? Seems simple enough.

    Question aside, any talk of moving the game is fricken idiotic. I assume its just a way to extort money from Jax and nothing more.

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  11. Morris Day

    As to F-bum’s question in the tweet… why wouldn’t a better SOS help in the 4-team playoff? Why is improving the schedule a harbinger of expanded playoffs?

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  12. HiAltDawg

    I don’t know if Georgia can get out of the WLOCP without running it by Auburn, first. I mean if we don’t play in JAX every year, I’m sure Auburn will need us to play them on the road every year during a week of their choosing.

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