Whither manball?

I’m sure I’m hardly the only one walking out of Sanford Stadium yesterday who felt like Jon Lovitz’ impersonation of Michael DukakisGeorgia dominated the raw stats:  outgained SC 468-297; first downs advantage of 30 to 16; held the ball for over 36 minutes; managed a 50% third down conversion rate; etc.  In regulation, South Carolina didn’t run a single play in the red zone.

In short, good ol’ manball worked.  Until it didn’t, that is.

Sure, a lot of that can be chalked up to the four turnovers, three of which were absolutely brutal.  And Kirby was quick after the game to put blame for the loss there:  “You can’t go 4-0 in the turnover margin and expect to win a game. It just doesn’t happen.”  That’s interesting, because I could have sworn I saw his team playing for the win after turnover number four in overtime.  But I digress, somewhat.

My fear, from listening to all the post-game chatter about looking in mirrors and coaching better and playing better, is that Smart is going to ask and try to answer all the wrong questions and ignore the important one.

Look, manball is a defensible coaching philosophy.  It’s predicated on amassing more talent than your opponent, playing more physically than your opponent, wearing down your opponent and beating your opponent as a result.  And Kirby has accomplished a lot in the last two seasons playing that kind of football.

But manball is merely a means to an end.  So when Kirby utters something like this,

… it’s easy to read that as seeing manball as an end in itself.  The problem with that kind of thinking is what happens when you run into the situation Georgia faced in the second half yesterday, down by seven and bleeding the clock while not producing any points.  Muschamp was happy that Kirby wanted to play manball because it helped him manage the lead.

Mike Tyson’s famous line about having a plan until you get smacked in the face is great, but nobody ever mentions how things play out when you’re the one smacking yourself in the face.  Kirby’s team hasn’t had smooth sailing throughout the season, but it’s always had the twin rocks of Fromm and Blankenship to build on and manage through those stretches when it hasn’t subjugated the other team.  Both players’ steadiness deserted them yesterday and there was no answer as third-ranked Georgia went down to an unranked 2-3 team at home.

That leads me to the question I believe Kirby needs to ask himself honestly.  Sure, the o-line needs to block better, the receivers need to catch better, Jake and Rodrigo need to have better days, the coaches need to prepare the players better, yada, yada, yada, but that’s all window dressing for Kirby’s gut feeling that manball can’t fail, it can only be failed.  That may help him sleep at night and keep going on the recruiting trail, but it’s not going to make any difference the next time his team slips and doesn’t put an inferior opponent on the ropes.

No, the question he needs to ask and answer is this:  how can I manage this team to a win in a game we don’t deserve to win?  Coaches steal wins every week; hell, that’s exactly what Boom did yesterday, to his credit.  You’d think a team with Georgia’s talent would have an advantage doing that, too.  But judging from Kirby’s turnover comment, I wonder if his heart or his head was ever in that mindset at crunch time yesterday.

I’m not a coach, and I’ve never been anything more when it comes to Georgia football than an interested observer.  It just seems to me that when your primary strategy flops, you’ve got to come up with a better Plan B than hoping the other guy screws up first.  I can only hope Smart sees things that way, as well.

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  1. Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

    Kirby’s good friend Mike Bobo will be Georgia’s offensive coordinator in 2020, for good or for ill.

    It will be Kirby’s way of trying to liven up the offense and make it more explosive while hewing to his “run the ball” philosophy.

    Kirby it seems, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, lacks Ed Orgeron’s ability to admit he was wrong and make the necessary changes it takes to field a championship program. We might steal one like Mack Brown did at Texas, but until Kirby sits down and is really honest with himself, we’re gonna be the bridesmaid and never the bride for awful long time.

    He just lacks that quality for reflection that great coaches like Saban, Dabo, and Belichick have that allow them to always truly contend for rings, and not “contend” because the media says they’re contenders. Actually contend. And win.

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  2. Derek

    How do you win when your OL gets their asses whipped, receivers can’t catch or get open, qb can’t hit them when they get open, and turn it over 4 times? I’m sure there is a solution. Ask a coach who has never lost a game. That guy has over come these issues.

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    • You’re right, Derek. Kirby should have forfeited instead of playing overtime.

      Pay no attention to that tying touchdown drive late in the fourth quarter.

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      • Derek

        And they had those chances without sitting around contemplating the error of their ways and striking a new course. They had every chance of winning doing exactly what they’d been doing all day.

        The idea that the way to overcome all of those things I pointed out isn’t charting some new path. It’s correcting those issues and moving forward.

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        • They had every chance of winning doing exactly what they’d been doing all day.

          But they didn’t. Which is kind of the point.

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          • Derek

            No doubt. I’m just annoyed by the idea that the answer is balling up 3 plus years of building this team and throwing it in the garbage because of one very bad day at the office. We’re not being failed by a philosophy.

            We have to play better on offense at every position save maybe Tackle. Play better and you win, period.

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            • That’s not what I’m saying at all.

              Manball has served Kirby well. But every coach needs to have a Plan B when the primary format ain’t working, because no scheme works 100% of the time. And needs to stick with what works, when it works. That’s Offense 101.

              Look, this was yet another game when Georgia went up tempo on offense and lit a spark moving the ball. Yet Kirby refuses to stay with it, game after game, when it clearly is working. I just don’t get that.

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              • Derek

                I think the plan b is Jake. He was just way off his game. Cager went down. People didn’t get open. There were drops. 11 missed open guys. 11 faced more pressure without blitzing that he’s used to. There’s a plan, it just didn’t work. Sometimes it was disastrous.

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                • Jake’s value is in getting things back on track when manball hasn’t kicked in, true. But you’re still dodging the point of my post. If Fromm can’t get manball back on track, the coaches have to come up with another way to win.

                  Anyway you look at it, the raw stats showed Georgia had enough going to work it through — against a team playing a third string quarterback in which it had little trust. All it took was a willingness to find a different way than what wasn’t working.

                  The series in the second overtime was the exact opposite of what I’m talking about.

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            • Gaskilldawg

              I am not frustrated because we didn’t change our offensive philosophy I am frustrated because we did not try plays I have seen us us this season, such as passes to Swift and sweeps.

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        • Sure, but can they at least throw some wrinkles in to our offense at some point? We have a 5-star offensive line, great RB’s, and physical recievers who can block. Where in the hell is the toss sweep? I’ve seen high school teams successfully change from the spread to the wing-t in a couple week’s time. We can make changes to play more to our strengths than what we have been doing. This is not rocket science.

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          • Derek

            For one we don’t have a fb so that’s a problem.

            Vague notions of “wrinkles.” Yeah that I’ll do it.

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            • Ok. Not one of the amazing athletes we have on the roster can line up and play fullback on occasion? Got it. So let’s just line up for the rest of the year and run the exact same plays week after week that everyone has on film, never one trying something new based on a weakness we see in their defense. That sounds like it should work just fine. Smh.

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      • Bill Glennon

        The most troubling thing about yesterday was complete failure in OT. If the team and coaches can’t regroup and wakeup and beat the 3rd string QB on a 2-3 team in OT, then the problems may run deeper than we realize.

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    • Sorry, Derek, but 464 yards of offense doesn’t happen if your line is getting whipped. Did they create some plays against the interior of our line? Yes. Did they dominate the line of scrimmage? Hardly. Just my opinion.

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      • Derek

        We did that despite the fact that the interior line struggled against their front and we had trouble in pass pro. 3 sacks after having 1 all year. 4 yards a carry instead of the normal 7. We got whipped a lot. We had drops. Jake missed open guys. We had times where no one was open.

        They played 3 different LGs and 3 different RGs. Was all that shifting around because of the starter’s dominance?

        The offense was a shit show.

        But I’m sure they get open, catch, throw and block better with different play calls.

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  3. Good post … exactly the feeling I had from the pick 6 to the end of the game. We were amassing yards, TOP and first downs … and then shooting ourselves in the damn foot. We played right into Boom’s path to victory … bleed the clock, get turnovers and get a big play or 2 except we were the ones bleeding the clock. For you people who think TOP is a key to winning (and why Mike Bobo sucked as an OC), this game is exhibit A of why that philosophy doesn’t mount to a hill of beans.

    I don’t want to look at the drive chart, but what I expect I would see is a whole lot of yards with endings of turnover on downs, blocked FG, interception and fumble.

    Their punter was the player of the game. They would get 1 or 2 first downs and then launch a 45-50 yard kick that Blaylock would fair catch on the 10. We played punt safe so much it was ridiculous.

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    • gastr1

      Agreed. We play a lot of “safe” all the way around, IMO. Too much “safe.”

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      • Uglydawg.

        Agree also..And Cautious Kirby has to swallow this one. He doesn’t trust our offensive line to make fourth and short…he doesn’t trust our punt catchers (they’re not returners) to gain some field position back, he didn’t trust Rodrigo to make the long, long FG, (Which I think he had an even chance of making) and instead puts his faith in a long Hail Mary pass which has maybe a 5 percent chance of working. (I did like the idea of throwing it to try and get a PI or holding called on SC…thus giving us the shorter FG attempt but, alas, Jake held it too long and it was swatted down before the los)
        Boiling this down to a few things…all on the coaching
        1. Team not inspired. No killer instinct
        2. Instinct instead to try and risk as little as possible to hopefully win.
        Kirby’s mantra, “Nothing ventured, Nothing lost”.
        3. lack of imagination to implement plan B
        4. no plan B to implement
        5. The perfect storm..and Kirby didn’t even consider subbing for Fromm Stetson could have handled it and probably even done a few things being mobile. But Kirby was too timid to even consider it. His “what if the worst happens” side out-talked his “the worst is already happening” persona.
        I spoke with some other fans this morning. They are convinced that Georgia has no shot at beating Auburn or Florida. I feel the same.

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        • gastr1

          Your post is spot-on, but 5% is way too high for probability for a hail mary pass resulting in a TD. I’d guess it’s more like .0005%. The chance for Blankenship making a 60-yard FG in no wind, with his leg and accuracy, is probably AT LEAST 5%.

          This was an inexplicably stupid decision. Makes me seriously wonder what in is forever in the mind of Kirby Smart.

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  4. TN Dawg

    I completely agree that we have no Plan B. It’s why Alabama has owned us in the 2nd half twice.

    But a big part is motivation and character. There appears to be a if-we-show-we-win mentality that seems to be evident and results in “slow starts”.

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    • Kdawg

      My wife, who doesn’t hardly watch football, repeatedly said to me yesterday, “UGA doesn’t look like they want it as bad as USC.” Then she said, “why do the do the same run play every time.” The patter in reference to the zone read that seemed like we ran on 95% of run plays that Jake didn’t keep a single time.

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      • Davin

        I’m glad someone else feels the same way too. Why run the zone read if your QB never keeps it? Bring back the Fullback too!

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        • If you don’t have a QB whom you don’t want running in the zone read, you have to run that same play with a pass option. Two years ago, in the SECCG vs. The Barn, Fromm did it to perfection with a big play to Mecole that led to the first score and lit up the whole offense.

          If the look is only to run off tackle every time, that’s manball.

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  5. Jack Klompus

    One thing that has been in the back of my mind for the past couple of years is how big the OL was at Arky under Pittman and how average they were. I remember thinking before the 2014 game, we’ll never stop their run game. We gave up 126 running yards and got at least 3 sacks in that game- Floyd and Jenkins ran all around their OL.

    I’m not throwing Pittman under the bus because to this point he’s been the highlight of our coaching staff. However, I couldn’t help but be reminded of that so massive, so average OL of Arkansas yesterday.

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    • Biggen

      I’ve been thinking of this for the last two years actually. I was just hoping it was different this time.

      No matter how you cut it, our O line isn’t playing up to their star rating.

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    • I saw a hell of a lot of softness in that group yesterday. The tight ends- even worse. Nobody could sustain a block.

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      • spur21

        I keep reading / hearing why 89 is in the game – stellar blocking – still waiting. He occasionally beats his man – he also misses a lot.

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  6. Ben

    On a personal note, this is the second game we’ve been to in the last year, and the first one my kids have seen in Sanford Stadium. To sit there and watch such an uninspired performance makes it hard for me to explain to them that UGA football can be fun.

    And while losing isn’t fun, I’m almost glad they lost yesterday and Kirby has to carry that shame around with him. Whether he’s introspective enough, or has a boss with enough courage to talk to him, to change, who knows.

    Finally, it’s not a single loss that has me bummed out. It’s the continuing existential dread that we might not ever get over the hump at all.

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    • Finally, it’s not a single loss that has me bummed out. It’s the continuing existential dread that we might not ever get over the hump at all.

      That, I’m afraid, is the essence of being a Georgia fan.

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      • 79Dawg

        As i told myself pretty much from the start of the second quarter on,this was basically 90% of all he Georgia South Carolina games I’ve ever seen.
        And if you want to know how surreal it was, everytime they’ve ever eaten us, their fans act like they won the MNC. Yesterday,not much jawing walking out of the stadium, got back to the tailgate and their fans whereas stunned as ours, downtown after the game, nada…

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      • Ben

        No kidding. And we’re not unique, but as a team and a school and a fan base that likes to think of ourselves as elite, maybe we just aren’t.

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      • 92 Grad

        I prefer to think that we are just back into our comfort zone. The last two years has been exhausting.

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  7. ATL Dawg

    We are the Alabama offense from 2008 and we have no intention of changing. Stubbornness for the win…or loss.

    Kirby didn’t like how Saban was changing the offense the last few years he spent over there and thought they should go back to the old philosophy.

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    • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

      Like I said above, when Ed Orgeron has the kind of introspectiveness it takes to win rings and our coach doesn’t… that’s a cold slap in the face.

      Sigh.

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      • Derek

        Ed Ogeron, owner of rings.

        Post a photo. I want to admire it.

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        • Will (The other one)

          He was an assistant coach, but Miami won 2 while he was there, plus 2 under Carrol at USC.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

          You, more than ANYONE here, have severe reading comprehension issues and constantly create strawman arguments.

          I said Ed Orgeron has shown that he has the kind of introspection it takes to win rings, not that he has any as a head coach.

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        • Uglydawg.

          There’s a reason no more battleships were built after WW2.

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        • Uglydawg.

          Derek..Question for you…and I’m not trolling..I honestly respect your opinion and usually agree with much of it. You said yesterday that you still expect to win over Florida and Auburn. If you watched the UF/LSU game last night you saw a greatly talented QB (Trask) and a well tuned Florida offense. Do you still think that Georgia wins in JAX? At Auburn? I’m personally wondering if this (offensive scheme) that Georgia is running will still work. I think UF’s defense is kind of suspect but Auburn’s is strong. I think we’ll be underdogs in both games. But I’d like to know what you’re thinking is. Absolutely not to argue, troll or belittle your opinion. Thanks.

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          • Derek

            Yes I do.

            We just have to play better.

            Its not as if we suck. Defense and Rod will keep us in games with anyone. OL had a bad day for some reason. When you play 3 LGs and 3 RGs something is wrong. You should play with the same 5 guys all day.

            Need to find Jake some receivers he can trust over the next two weeks. It would be nice if 89 and 17 stepped up.

            Gotta get 1 involved even if they have to force it there they they used to with AJ. Just send him and put it up.

            16 is a threat as is 8.

            87 and 5 probably need to sit the fuck down for a while.

            It would be nice if we weren’t on our 3rd punt returner and they could find someone there, but that’s not fatal.

            Hopefully, Jake wont be off in those games like he was yesterday. He could have had 7 picks.

            We got beat bad in Columbia and were 5 yards from a natty 7 years ago.

            The experts around here said Schotty can’t call plays.

            He is the OC at Seattle and they’re 4-1 with the 7th best offense in the NFL.

            Pushing the panic button and pretending like we know better than the guys on the staff is just dumb. We’ll be ok and no one on this blog knows wtf they are talking about when it comes to X’s and O’s relative to those guys, myself included.

            We’ll be in Atlanta and we’ll have a shot to win it.

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            • 69Dawg

              Just one slight correction to your reply we have punt catchers not punt returners. Nobody on our punt return team blocked anyone on those punts we were in punt safe ala Mark Richt and we all know that we need ole Logan Grey back to coach these kids up on how to flip the ball to the ref.

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              • Derek

                Clearly 8 didn’t win the job. 10 did. Then he got hurt.

                87 did good job until he dropped it.

                Maybe they think 8’s ball security suffers when he is thinking about more than just securing the ball.

                You at practice? I know I’m not.

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                • 69Dawg

                  Punt safe is ok if you can’t return a punt but you have to admit we all hated it when Mark did it but now it’s just good coaching?

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                • Derek

                  I didn’t complain about it then. Others did.

                  The most important part of them punting is: we get the ball. I’m for improving on that if you have someone who has shown they can do that. I have to assume, absent evidence to the contrary, that they just don’t trust anyone to bring them back.

                  CKS let 10 and 87 return them so its not like he doesn’t want a return.

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                • Aladawg

                  I seem to remember several excellent punt returners in the Richt era. See Thomas Flowers, Isaiah McKenzie among others. Yep Simmons made a few mistakes. Move on, but if it’s only gonna be only fair catches, take a sit at blocking one.

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            • Derek

              Make that 5-1.

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            • Uglydawg.

              Appreciate the detailed response.
              I’ve been out on the ledge with everybody else for the last 24 hours. It’s always good to hear another side to temper the emotion. It was a bad loss.
              There’s an old saying, ” Things are never really as bad as they seem or as good as they seem” (or something like that). If this loss lights a fire under the Dawgs, we’ll at least have that.

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              • Derek

                “Humility is a week away” is another.

                Better to see your flaws before you get to a game that really matters. UF could be for the East.

                We know now we gotta step up.

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    • 79 Dawg

      Heard Vince speak Thursday, was obviously a bad omen – felt to me that was an offense from 1978 (minus the fullback, sweeps and off-tackless)…. That our “outside” run game is these be all horizontal jet sweeps to WRs is pathetic!

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  8. more spinners

    Excellent comments Senator.
    Everybody in Dawg land and the state of Georgia woke this morning pissed about that performance from the coaching staff!
    To borrow a phrase from the legend Munson, they put a hob-nailed boot up your ass yesterday Coach Smart, and today they are laughing / mocking you.
    My assessment from watching your post game comments, you take getting beat very casually last season and so far this season.
    Last 8 games, three losses…Bama, Texas, and Carolina. In every damn one of those games you can not keep adding points to the game and your kicking / special team game abandons you. Can you find a walk-on who will field the punt and take it up field! Or may find a way to block one.
    Your “man” QB has not done well in all 3 of those losses. He gets shut down, or does not have it “clean”, or he has turn overs. Perhaps if you had a freaking OC who could attack a defense, turnovers could be overcome.
    But that is not your thinking. Your thinking is controlling the ball, the clock, the plays, and etc… how about controlling the damn score board because that is what counts!
    Tired of those worn out phrases…pound the ball, pound the ball.
    Hope you watched that UF vs LSU game last evening coach. LSU did not control the clock or plays but the score board. When you do that you take away the opposition game plan. UF tried to ge creative at the end, unfortunatley their D put a stop to it.
    LSU and Ole Miss revamped their offenses. Why not you. You wanted Plumley at Ole Miss. Do you see how Ole Miss is lighting up the running game. Or Justin Fields at OSU.
    Your offense sucks coach, and it is all on you now.
    5 and 3 in last 8 games. Not a record of success!!

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  9. Aladawg

    Senator,
    I see Kirby’s response to the T/O call with 1 second left on the play clock and USC not even close to snapping a perfect example of his Ego and thusly his unwillingness to change or have that plan B. I think Kirby truly believes his recruiting prowess and all those 5 stars will lead him to the promised land regardless of what he does on the sideline. I mean he is so emotionally engaged trying to RUN the defense (see constantly hopping up and down pointing and yelling) that he has no time to think about game plan changes, kicking strategies with 13 seconds left and no timeouts left or making punt block or return(not fair catches) decisions. His arrogance to the common Joe fans lost me several years ago and his on field performance begins to put him in the comparison game with Jim Donnan’s highly talented underperformers (yeah I know Kirby had done better than him but it still begs some comparison). This was another epic fail by Kirby in preparation much like 2018 LSU, 2017 Allbarn on the plains, 2016 Vandy and UT and 2 second halves for the ages against bammer. Losing to a sorry 2-3 team really sucks.

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    • Gaskilldawg

      Agree with the arrogance observation, Aladawg. I also note that the sole reason we hired him was to win a national championship and it appears that through 4 years it will not have happened. Yet his arrogance is unabated.

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    • TXBaller

      I thought Kirby was extremely humble post game yesterday — more passive than I personally like. Your arrogance = confidence to me. The day he changes his demeanor at the constant bemoans of the soft….is the day he should be gone!

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  10. CB

    Amid all the Fields, Eason, Fromm talk that has exploded on CFB Twitter I cant help but think back to when Corch had Braxton Miller, JT Barrett, and Cardale Jones on the same roster. We give Kirby a lot of credit for improved roster management, and it seems the status quo was fine as long as Fromm continued to be Fromm, but now that he did whatever the hell that was yesterday (as a junior NFL prospect against an unranked less talented opponent at home) should that change the way we view the Fields Eason departures? Maybe I’m just a prisoner of the moment, but hell, Bo Nix got hammered last week as a freshman on the road playing against a top ten Florida team.

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  11. Dylan Dreyer's Booty

    SC had this one guy that the TV folks thought was a physical freak of a CB: tall, enormous wingspan, fast and strong. Then when it was 3rd and long, would suggest that Fromm should see where he was and look the other way first. Fromm kept looking right (generally where this dude was playing) and it made me wonder if Fromm just got it in his head that he was going to beat this guy. Maybe it’s not just Kirby is all I’m saying.

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    • ATL Dawg

      Fromm is Kirby’s chosen one. So it may not just be Kirby…but it’s Kirby.

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      • “Fromm is Kirby’s chosen one.”

        What exactly should Kirby have done the prior 2 years at QB?

        Should he have given the job back to Eason when he came back from the injury even though Jake had gained the trust of the team during the time Skinny10 was out?
        Should he have given the job to Fields although absolutely nothing from the run-up to the season and during the season indicated Fields was ready to be a starter?
        Lock Justin Fields away from his computer and smartphone so he couldn’t put his name in the transfer portal during bowl practices?

        I’ll hang up and listen.

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        • 69Dawg

          Fromm was the safe one. He is a good but not great QB and his ability to “read the defense” is useless if he can’t throw the ball to the receiver. Eason was a gunslinger ala Bret Farve and Fields was too creative for him but the main reason he didn’t change was Fromm was the best QB not to screw up man ball. It obviously had nothing to do with who was the best QB. Guess where Fields will be in December?

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          • You didn’t answer the question.

            Fromm was not gifted the position. He took over in the App State game when Eason got hurt. If you remember, the Georgia offense had exactly 3 yards of total offense in the first 3 drives of that game when Eason went down. I’ll ask the question again … Should Kirby have given the job back to Eason when he returned from injury? YES or NO.

            On Fields, what occurred LAST year that showed you he deserved the Trevor Lawrence treatment to knock off an established starter (who was playing well)? I didn’t see anything. Fields left rather than attempt to take the job away from Fromm this spring. That was his prerogative … he’s being rewarded for it … good for him.

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            • 69Dawg

              Yes then there was a reason he started. His injury was unfortunate but the coaches started him for a reason and he should have been allowed to come back. Fields on the other hand was totally misused by us. He was put in on plays that made it obvious to the defense what he was going to do. I would not have replaced Jake with Fields but I would have made sure Fields knew he was going to have a chance to unseat him if he showed his stuff this year. He chose not to. Answer me a question, if Jake leaves after this year who will we have to replace him?

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              • I have no idea what the coaches were thinking when Eason returned after his injury. Did they open the competition up or decide to go with the guy who was winning? I tend to think they decided to go with Fromm given the results. I’m not sure which was better, but I don’t think anyone thought on January 8, 2018 that Eason was the better QB on our roster. I can respect your thoughts on giving Eason a chance to win the job back.

                Fields was totally mismanaged last year … no doubt about it. Kirby stated he was trying to re-recruit Fields to stay after the story broke about the decision to enter the portal. We have no idea what Kirby said to try to convince the Fields family for him to stay. The rumors were out from the beginning of the season that Fields was leaving at the end of the year.

                On your question, I have to assume the Mailman will enter spring practice as the likely #1. Assuming Carson Beck is an early enrollee, I would bet he’s going to get a look. If Mathis is healthy enough and cleared to play football, I would think he’s going to be in the mix.

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        • ATL Dawg

          Another one of your usual strawman arguments. Should he have GIVEN anyone the job? Hell no. Did I say that?

          But he could start by going with an offensive philosophy that is more than just “2008 Alabama”. Play to the strengths of your other really talented QBs rather than just your narrow Manball approach to offense. Or at least when you finally do put them in the game, let them run your entire Manball offense instead of 30% of it, which mostly involved just handing the ball off to run out the clock. What QB worth a shit is going to stick around for any of that?

          Fromm is Kirby’s chosen one. Chosen because he’s been the best Manball Game Manager. It worked really well in 2017 because 3 generational talents (Chubb, Michel, and Roquan) carried the team. It’s had so-so results since.

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          • I asked a couple of questions about what was Kirby supposed to do over the last 2 years.

            Fromm took advantage of his opportunity in 2017. He either held off Eason from taking the job back or Kirby decided not to change up things once we started winning. I was scared to death having Jake make his first start at ND. If we lose that game or the Mississippi State game, I believe there would have likely been a full out QB competition when Eason got healthy. Thank goodness those losses didn’t happen, and Kirby rode Jake to one play from a national title.

            I get the frustration about Fields in 2018. In games where Kirby turned him loose, Fields looked like the talent he’s now showing in Columbus. At other times, he struggled (just as Jake did as a freshman). I still don’t get what Kirby should have done differently last year to convince Fields to stay other than to take away the starting job from Jake and give it to Justin and tell Jake, “Thanks for what you did the last 2 years, but you aren’t the guy anymore.”

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            • ATL Dawg

              “I still don’t get what Kirby should have done differently”

              You obviously didn’t read I wrote regarding this, so I’m not going to write it again.

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              • I get it … Your position is Kirby should have allowed Fields to run the entire offense when he was in there instead of handing off especially in garbage time. Guess what? I agree with you about that. We’ll never know if that would have convinced the Fields family that he should stay. I don’t think it would have made a difference.

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                • ATL Dawg

                  You got half of what I said. The first point was to make the offense play to more of his strengths rather than refuse to change and try to force a round peg into being a Manball Game Manager.

                  But in addition to the two points I made, I also would have let Fields play more than he did. There were a number of games last year where the game was well in hand but Fromm was still in there. Not only was it risking getting him hurt, it wasn’t preparing his backup. But part of that is my opinion of “well in hand” is different from Kirby’s. He wanted to get it to where there was almost zero chance of losing. My take is that when you’re up by 3 or more touchdowns late in the 3rd, put in the backup and let him go to work.

                  And those points aren’t just about hoping Fields sticks around. They’re about having your backup QB set up for success if/when the time comes that you need/want him.

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                • When Fields was in the game and allowed to run the offense last year, he wasn’t being forced into being a “Manball Game Manager.” He ran a lot and also made some excellent throws. in the South Carolina game last year (the infamous “I handed off good as ****” game), Kirby had decided we had made our point, and he was trying to run out the clock. He wasn’t trusted with the keys to the car in games where the outcome was still in doubt. He was sent in to run a specific play or plays in those cases. I don’t know if that was the right move or not. You can’t install two game plans in today’s college football with the 20-hour rule … you certainly can’t do it leading up to games like the LSU game or the SECCG last year.

                  Live and learn … Fields probably should have stuck with his commitment to Ped State or gone to anOSU because that’s probably where his personal QB coach wanted him go. Kirby and Chaney should have handled things differently with Fields, but no way were they going to refuse his commitment or not recruit him.

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                • spur21

                  Daddy wanted him to be the star – that is all there is to the Fields equation.

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                • Since Justin never answered a single question about his decision, we’ll never know what really happened. Good for him that he’s doing well … I didn’t want anOSU to win a game before Justin Fields and won’t after Fields.

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  12. The Truth

    At some point, Kirby is going to have to decide that it’s as important to have great coaches on his staff as great recruiters. And when he begins to ponder that notion I hope he’s staring directly into a mirror.

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    • spur21

      Not sure that’s going to happen – at least not soon. He is a Saban product and Saban had GREAT success with that formula. Times have changed – even Saban has accepted the change. Hopefully Kirby will see the light.

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  13. Haute Dawg

    Where in the world was Coley’s extended playbook??? I got a very sick feeling towards the end of the 3rd quarter that the Dawgs were running out of time to get 2 scores. Although the running game was working, handing off on consecutive short yardage plays got nowhere other than to run the clock. Played right into Boom’s hands. Limited jet sweeps, though teams had been getting a read on those every time Cook enters the game. Forcing the long ball wasn’t working as SC was pretty good in man coverage, especially against our young receivers. So why not try some quick crossing routes over the middle? SC was living on them for their offense. It also looked like some seam routes were open and we missed going to them. Gimme back Bobo’s crayons!

    On another note, is Jake getting the shotgun snap he should? It looked like he was reaching on many of them which forced him to look away from the coverage.

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    • Dylan Dreyer's Booty

      “On another note, is Jake getting the shotgun snap he should? “

      Yeah, it wasn’t Trey Hill’s best game. There was actually a lot of blame to go around, and in lots of areas.

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  14. doofusdawg

    Forty three running plays and not one designed to go outside. Nine times we ran up the middle on first and second downs. Kirby and Coley evidently knew that there was no way we were going to lose this game and that we would run the ball in the fourth to seal the deal.

    We lost this game during the week in the game planning. The problem is the assumptions that Kirby and Coley make well before Saturday. Then four turnovers happen… and oops… “that’s not supposed to happen”.

    Fromm had a horrible day. Sure we went long several times like Kirby defensively proclaimed… but always to the sideline where the margin for error is even smaller. And Fromm kept overthrowing them… never even giving the kids a 50/50 chance at the ball or a possible interference. I don’t think Jake gets any coaching during the game.

    The lack of depth at wide receiver was a problem… especially without Cager. But the vast majority of injuries were on defense and they managed to hold their own. The offense not so much. Just another horrible offensive showing with no creativity… no misdirection… nothing schemed to put the kids in space and succeed. Just another CMR era game of having to beat the man in front of you in order for the play to be a success. And that’s the crux of the biscuit… we are basically running the same offense we ran for the previous fifteen years… without the toss sweep or a fullback. We run the zone read 80% of the time with no threat or intention of the read. It looks great when a first round draft pick makes two people miss for a big gain… but lately not so much… the good defenses are onto us… and unfortunately onto Kirby.

    And maybe I need to be onto other things.

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  15. Patrick Hodges

    I have less of an issue with running it on 1st and 2nd downs – but DO take issue with the calls made. All are straight up the gut on either side of the center. What happened to the toss sweep – screen plays and getting out backs to the edge? Mix it up!

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  16. Dawg19

    The play that was a metaphor for our entire performance was the pass in overtime that hit Tyler Simmons in the hands and bounced into the DB’s hands. There we were in overtime, when our focus should have been as sharp as ever, when our seniors are supposed to make the most basic plays to win a game we don’t deserve to win. Yet, he looked to run with the ball before he caught it and the turnover happened. That’s how we played all day. We got bailed out on that turnover (one of many bailouts South Carolina gave us), but we should have at least gotten a field goal out of it.

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  17. 1smartdude

    This is no indictment of Fromm, he’s a smart, solid QB, but he pretty much has the same skills now that he had as a freshman. None of that is his fault. The inability to develop QB talent and the misses in recruiting on the Dline over the last few years, are the reasons for games like yesterday. They’re also the reasons why the National Title will keep eluding us. Fromm’s freshman title game appearance not withstanding, that defense was the reason we were there. In the end, it was a dynamic QB who won that game though. I belive Fromm could be that type of player, I can certainly see that we’ve had those type of QB’s here,( hello Fields and Eason), but when manball is the only option that you consider, and QB development is a secondary thought, you’re playing with one hand behind your back in today’s game. This game has changed and changed fast. You don’t have to like it and clearly Kirby does not, but the game doesn’t care. Kirby needs to hire the best QB whisperer he can find, a dynamic OC and let them do their job. If he wants to be hands on, focus on the defense. I have complete confidence he can handle that side of the ball.

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  18. Sashko1943

    Called it weeks ago. Manball is an NFL game, not a college game. There’s too little margin for error. That’s Why the spread offense has taken over the game. It tilts the game towards the offense, minimizes risk and results in far higher conversion rate.

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    • Will (The other one)

      It’s not even an NFL game anymore. Sure, KC, New England etc run the ball, but primarily it’s a diverse passing game that wins at that level.
      Which could also impact recruiting down the line: Haselwood went to OU rather than stick with a commitment here because their offense will be a better showcase for him.

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  19. Granthams replacement

    Which offense can overcome dropping passes, wrong routes, poor run blocking, inaccurate throws, 4 (really 5) turnovers including a fumbled under center snap? I’m sure Kirby will install it next week and they score 70 a game the rest of the year.

    Meanwhile back in reality Kirby needs to fix the execution/motivation issues. In 2020 with 2+ heathy mobile QBs the offense may be adjusted.

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    • Which offense can overcome dropping passes, wrong routes, poor run blocking, inaccurate throws, 4 (really 5) turnovers including a fumbled under center snap?

      We must have watched different games. The one I saw had Georgia with a chance to win in overtime, after a game saving drive late in the fourth quarter.

      I really don’t get why you share Kirby’s fatalism. A guy making $7 mil a year should do more than shrug off a game because there’s no way to overcome a minus-4 turnover margin during the effing game.

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      • Granthams replacement

        I agree with a chance to win the game. Kirby’s decision not to kick a 55 yd fg with :13 left and no timeouts was poor. I don’t share Kirby’s man ball love but any offense will suck with yesterday’s execution level. As the WRs get better at separation, catching and route running, opening up the offense makes sense.

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  20. Until we challenge the deep middle 1/3 of the field, I don’t expect to see the long runs and explosive plays come back.

    I keep coming back to this, but everyone we have played has copied Texas’s defense against us.

    Those long sideline passes are the lowest percentage passes in the game. We have unilaterally decided to make things as hard as possible on ourselves.

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    • Will (The other one)

      And add to that, rarely playing with tempo, so not only are the plays those with a high degree of difficulty to succeed, there are fewer of them.

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      • I know. It’s maddening.

        I can forgive Kirby for making a bad promotion/hire. That happens.

        It’s happened to Saban.

        I cannot forgive him keeping Coley after this season. There is zero reason to believe that we can’t find a better OC tomorrow.

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  21. ATL Dawg

    A lot of focus right now is on our offense, and rightfully so, but Kirby’s clock/situation management is fucking awful. Just horrible. Can’t say it enough.

    I don’t know if he’s got his hands in too many things and is therefore too distracted but regardless, he’s doing a terrible job with this.

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  22. Anonymous

    Read your post. The logical conclusion to it is that Kirby should use less talented plays that are less physical in their play.

    There were 58 called pass plays (52 passes, 3 sacks, and 3 scrambles) and 37 rushing plays. That isn’t “impose your will run it up the middle all the time” football. We had 14 offensive possessions. 43% of them were either turnovers by Fromm or missed / blocked field goals. Our receivers couldn’t beat man coverage. Fromm didn’t have the confidence to make the tough throws. The offensive line had their worst game in quite a while.

    You can want them to have a different offensive strategy, but it doesn’t matter what the strategy is if Fromm overthrows the receiver, the receiver can’t get open, or the o-line struggles with stunts and twists.

    This team, like last year, lacks leadership. They are in desperate need of someone to pull as Shawn Williams circa 2012 to get their heads out of their asses. This team is way too talented to play like they are. I’m not saying the coaching staff is doing a good job, but there is only so much they can do.

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    • The logical conclusion to it is that Kirby should use less talented plays that are less physical in their play.

      No, my logical conclusion is what I wrote: “It just seems to me that when your primary strategy flops, you’ve got to come up with a better Plan B than hoping the other guy screws up first.”

      I don’t have a problem with manball. I have a problem with not having a backup plan when manball isn’t working.

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      • FlyingPeakDawg

        As I posted below, I don’t think Kirby every felt Plan A wasn’t working until the kick sailed wide right. That may be the problem.

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        • It missed to the left, but other than that, yes.

          As I mentioned yesterday, Rod doinked the practice extra point off the left upright before the team went to the locker room for pregame. I wonder if he had a case of fighting the hooks yesterday.

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      • Anonymous

        What you saw was the backup plan. As I said, 58 passes to 37 rushes isn’t manball. The problem wasn’t manball. The problem is that the team wasn’t playing well. We saw a team that was going through the motions. What you want is not an alternative to manball. You want an alternative to a disinterested team that isn’t accountable to each other.

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        • Macallanlover

          We threw it that much because our over rated OL could not open holes for two very capable backs. And this isn’t the first time, we have the deepest, highest highest rated OL in the country, if that wins the award so be it; but if you go by performance, we aren’t close. 80% of our running plays had the initial contact right at the LOS; there weren’t many holes, or even creases.

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  23. Mayor

    Senator, I get your angst after yesterday’s performance but let’s not overreact here. It was a three point loss in double OT to a team we all agreed before the season was going to be better than its record because it plays such a difficult schedule this season. The Dawgs lost 4 turnovers—that’s a fact. Hard to overcome that many. So I’m not in favor of wholesale changes to an offensive philosophy that won the SEC East the last two years an SEC Championship two years ago and damn near won a natty two years ago. Rather, I’d like the team to address what I believe has become its major liability and fix that. What you may ask is that? I am speaking of incredibly stupid in-game decision making, that’s what. The ball is in the center of the field with about a 53 yard FG to win the game and 8 seconds on the clock. Georgia has an AA kicker who kicks them through the uprights from 60 yards in practice and has made FGs of that length before in games. What do you do? How about letting your AA try to win the game in regulation? But no, you have to run another play, someone moves, and a Penalty backs you up 5 yards, out of effective FG range. Actually, that’s the best thing that could have happened. When you run another play with only 8 seconds and no TOS the clock can easily run out. To those who say Rod got his chance later, I say a chance to win is different from a chance to tie and a blocked kick isn’t his fault. This was only one of a myriad of bad in-game decisions made by Kirby and our vaunted coaching staff. We need to hire an OC who has proven game winning decision making in his background and turn things over to him. Kirby can run the show publicly, be in charge of recruiting and even run the D, but no more in-game decisions.

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    • LOL. If I’m overreacting, I’d love to hear your description of some of yesterday’s comments.

      I’m cool with manball. I just believe Kirby’s got to coach with more flexibility than he showed yesterday. If you’ve got a problem with that assessment, be my guest.

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  24. ASEF

    South Carolina lost to Missouri, Alabama, and North. Carolina by a combined 48 points.

    Yards per attempt, rush/pass (totals) that SC allowed in those 3 games.

    North Carolina: 4.58/10.2 (238, 245)
    Alabama: 3.04/12.7 (76, 495)
    Missouri: 3.37/6.9 (194, 227)

    Georgia: 4.02/5.7 (173, 295)

    North Carolina was using a true freshman QB, btw, in his first college game. If Sam Howell and a porous offensive line can manage 4.58 and 10.2 against Boom’s defense, then maybe that should be the bar for a 5 star offense led by a 3rd year starter. THEN we can talk turnovers.

    As for Plan B: Remember in 2009 when McElroy had a bum shoulder against SC and Saban just went Wildcat with Ingram the entire second half? Or the SEC championship game against UF that year when McElwain showed up with Bama running 4 or even 5 wides and an empty backfield? Even Manball requires the ability to adapt.

    Final question; and my big one moving forward: Is Georgia’s talent and coaching disguising the fact that Fromm is a fraud who flops in big games? Or is Georgia’s coaching forcing that talent, including Fromm, to operate within such narrow tolerances that the entire operation unravels the moment the ship starts to shudder?

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    • Fromm flopped in the last two SEC championship games, the Rose Bowl, and the national championship game? I don’t think so.

      On your second question, I’ll answer it’s the latter.

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      • Macallanlover

        Amen, this type of reasoning is tiring. Critics of Fromm are not the pundits, NFL scouts, or rival fans, they are primarily our own fans who do not appreciate what he has done for us, consistently, for almost 3 years. If we are lucky, we will get a 4th. While not his best day, he isn’t the primary reason we lost yesterday. He was off the mark a few times, but only one of those interceptions was strictly on him, and we will never know about the bad snap exchange.

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      • ASEF

        I agree. Probably could have framed the point better. Which is that the offense’s strategy and tactics are not optimizing its talent or putting them in the best position to succeed.

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  25. FlyingPeakDawg

    No backup QB who is in line for next year to deploy for change of pace. No Wild Dawg with a stable of RB’s. No designed runs for Fromm to give the rush and secondary pause. Maybe none of these are good plan B’s, but I don’t think Kirby ever doubted Plan A was working until Rodrigo’s kick went wide. That may be the problem.

    And the blueprint to beat us is so crystal clear. Do whatever you can on D to stuff the run. Play aggressive man defensive on the WRs. Bring your basketball team’s center and put him in the slot so your running QB can play pitch and catch. I swear to God, Tech can beat us if Collins is paying attention!

    I wonder if Mel Tucker is missed. Was he someone who could make Kirby rethink strategy in game? Is there anyone on staff who will speak up? Looking at some of Kirby’s greatest sideline hissy fits, I doubt it, and that’s a real problem. Kirby needs a guiding hand to help him see his own arrogance at times. It must be lonely in his office this morning.

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  26. Bill Glennon

    Agreed. What ever happened to “taking what the defense gives you?”

    Kirby’s offense should not be like a Paul Johnson triple option where the game outcome is always a referendum on defense’s ability to stop it in its simplest form. He’s going to limit us immensely until this changes.

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  27. This guy sums it all up starting at 30 second mark:

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  28. Mick Jagger

    Other than the TD pass, our defense played well. Only allowed 3 other points in regulation and 3 in OT,
    The pick 6 was the killer.
    Running up the gut clearly wasn’t working. Coley isn’t very creative. Chaney’s playbook?
    I still love Fromm. Hell, everybody has an off day once in a while.
    Ditto Hot Rod.
    In spite of all of this, we still had a great chance to win in OT.

    Just asking here – Couldn’t Rod have tried for the 42 yard field goal all 4 downs (if needed) in the second OT. Didn’t Tech do thet to us once?

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    • When a field goal is missed regardless of down, possession changes.

      The reason for the Fech thing was we blocked a field goal on 3rd down, but they recovered the ball behind the line of scrimmage. Therefore, they could kick it again.

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  29. I think I could count the number of straight handoffs up the middle between Alabama, Florida, Oklahoma, and LSU combined yesterday on one hand. Kirby’s style of manball is no longer relevant. He didn’t get beat by a plucky team playing its A game. He got beat by a team that was able to out-manball him with lesser talent and none of the inherent advantages that he has to work with. There isn’t a player on South Carolina’s two deep that you would straight up trade for any of UGA’s players, yet UGA found a way to lose to that team, and it’s because the offense was an unmitigated failure. The end.

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  30. 69Dawg

    I graduated in 1969 so 50 years of being an alum and 60 plus of having watched football I have a few observations. Defensive coordinators come in two types as head coaches: those that just don’t want the offense to screw things up and those that hire OC’s that they let coach with minimal input. Kirby is the just don’t screw it up kind. He hired a guy who he knew would follow instructions and he does. However, there are times that the philosophy will bite you in the butt, yesterday was an example. Missed in all the crying about the offensive screw ups is the fact that the Special teams were pure Mark Richt, fair catches and no attempt at returns. I watched punt after punt as we had zero attempts to slow their gunners down at all. The guys on punt returns were just spectators. We lost the field position battle because of 1. our defense not being able to hold their O deep in their end of the field, 2 their punter killing it on his punts and Kirby’s wish that the Special teams just not screw things up. Our offense was not good enough to go 80- yards every time they got the ball. Sure we out gained them but we could not score. Will too is a former great DC and he played what used to be the norm in SEC games, field position and good defense.

    Second point as good as Jake is he can’t carry the team. This was the first time all year he had to react to the rush and he took too much time before making throws and when all else failed he just screwed up. I’m not convinced he was trying to throw it out of bounds on the pick six, he has a better arm than that. If he truly can change the play at the LOS he should have totally ignored the WR being covered by SCU’s number 24. He single handedly destroyed our passing game.

    We’ll see how the troops react but after watching the LSU UF game last night the drinking at the cocktail party will be substantial. Trask is a much better QB than Franks and their WRs are better than SCU’s.

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    • Bill Glennon

      I think you are right about Kirby’s risk aversion. The big problem is that he is risk averse and a control freak. So, the risk aversion seeps into special teams, offense, game management and probably into the psyche of the team.

      Unfortunately, the “don’t screw up”, ethos is creating a self-fullfilling prophecy.

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    • 79Dawg

      People can bitch all they want about the guys who are sent back to catch punts, but as you say when he gunners are on hem like white on rice, doesn’t matter who’s back there….
      Cannot recall ever seeing a game where there were zero kick returns before….

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      • We were in a punt safe formation with mainly the first team defense out there on just about every punt regardless of field position. There was even a 4th and about 2 from inside the USC 35 where Kirby/Fountain kept the defense on the field with Blaylock as a single safety. Punter ripped off a huge kick that was fair caught inside the 15.

        That punter was the player of the game.

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  31. Russ

    I’m pissed at Kirby for a lot of calls yesterday but mainly because he was too big of a pussy to let Hot Rod have a shot at his own “Kevin Butler vs Clemson” moment to end the game. Probably the greatest kicker we’ve had for a generation and Kirby won’t let him even try the kick. Unbelievable.

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    • If you listened to Kevin Butler after the game, he was adamant that 55 was the longest in that direction (even with the wind). I’m assuming he hangs around Rod before the game to get the information. Butler also admitted that field goal was a hell of a lot easier with a tee than it is now off the ground.

      He also said we had a timeout to use, so why didn’t we run to get an additional couple of yards … that was incorrect, but I never heard him back off that.

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  32. Gotta open up holes to play manball.

    Outside of Cager our receivers are either young or not very good. This includes tight ends.

    Serious question for group because I don’t know the answer: who are our leaders on defense besides JR Reed? I kept waiting for a big turnover to change the tide and it never came.

    One thing, I think, we can all agree on is Coley blows. Maybe not as much if we have a better/more mature receiver group.

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    • Good comments, sir.

      A lot of talking yesterday about how South Carolina’s linebackers were protected by those DTs who were giving our 3 interior guys trouble. They would then fill the hole to keep a gain to 4-5 yards rather than the 8-10 we’ve been used to seeing.

      Regarding the big turnover, regression to the mean is a bitch. We didn’t get the big hit on a guy to jar the ball loose and never got a chance to step in front of one for a pick. I didn’t look to see how many 3 and outs we got yesterday, but it wasn’t many. It seemed every time they punted we went into punt safe regardless of field position, so that punter flipped field position consistently.

      No doubt Coley wasn’t good yesterday, but we also didn’t execute. Plenty of blame to go around on that side of the ball.

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  33. more spinners

    Coach Smart get an OC.
    4 season and 2 freaking duds!
    Football is simple
    You block, you tackle, you run the ball, you throw rhe ball…and somewhere in those four simple sentences you score. That pretty much summarizes your simple, inept offense. How long did SC keep you off the board? Check the game stats, and then the scoreboard!
    The alums and fans are feed up with this.
    Your program is in retreat.
    Get some fire in your offense. Put the pedal to the damn medal and start scoring.
    Muschamp and every other defense your OC faces has you figured out by now.
    There is a saying in the boating world. If you are not willing to paddle, get your ass out of the boat.
    You are not paddling coach. Last 8 games…5-3.

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    • You make some good points and then cherry-pick your record to attempt to prove your point. Why not 13-3 since October 13, 2018 or something different? We’re 29-6 since 2016 … I guess that doesn’t matter.

      No Kirbyphile/Kirby apologist here.

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  34. The Old Jeffster

    Its all about winning, period. Everybody is upset that UGA didn’t win. Whats alarming is the possibility that CKS’s dogmatic adherence to a specific football philosophy apparently is more important to him than WINNING. Count me among those perplexed at where things are.

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    • Good point … I think the reasonable people are more concerned about how we lost. There were maybe 3-5 guys on the South Carolina starting 22 who could win a starting job at Georgia right now.

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  35. Tony Barnfart

    Tough place to be in right now for Kirby to foist that turd on the fan base that has basically opened their wallets to the tune of 1/4billion dollars over the last few years.

    Heavy is the head that wears the crown making 7mill per year… for THAT ?!

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