Shot.
On Jake Fromm using the middle of the field in the passing game: “No. That’s not the case at all. Jake’s had some really good throws over the middle. Some of his best throws have been over the middle. I don’t know where that comes from or where it would come from...
Chaser.
Kirby’s got some work to do on his “nothing to see here, move on” game.
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Kirby is full of shit. It’s ok to be full of shit when you aren’t being beaten by twenty four point u feedings at home. My patience with Kirby pissing in our faces and telling us it’s raining has run out. Im well aware of how much of an effect that has on him and the program. None. But me and a buddy have talked since the Notre Dame game about Kirby’s stubbornness and his steadfast dedication to all man ball all the time getting us beat. We just never thought it would be against such embarrassingly overmatched competition. If he is determined to force this shit on the players and all of us then he doesn’t get to “challenge” the fan base to show up early for noon kicks etc and I’m not going plan my Saturdays around football. He’s basically telling everyone, “Screw you stupid little people. I can do whatever I want and you’re all just too dumb to see how brilliant it is.” Yeah, no thanks.
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Twenty four point underdogs.
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It could be worse. He could do what you and your buddy say.
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Piss up a rope, Derek. There is a lot of real estate between Kirby could have an alternative to all man ball all the time and thinking I should be coach. But I don’t blame you, I blame society.
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It’s society’s fault for creating people who think they know everything about solving complex problems despite the fact they are demonstrably stupid and then telling everyone about it?
It’s a thought.
But I think Dunning–Kruger is really an issue derived from the Creator. The biggest change we’re seeing with it is that technology allows people to communicate their stupidity worldwide. The stupid has always been there tho.
Btw: did we “man ball” our way to double digit leads in both games vs. Alabama? What we couldn’t do was “man ball” our way to holding those leads. Why would we show our Alabama game plan in week 5 as a 24 point favorite when what we need to do is make sure we can man ball when we have to? Like in the the 4th quarter with a double digit lead vs. Alabama.
If you think the idea is that you never really need to man ball, tell me why we fucked up Lincoln Riley and the heisman trophy winner because they couldn’t run the ball and play defense?
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Take your meds, Derek. Being able to recognize that slamming our running backs into an oncoming train over and over, throwing almost exclusively to the sideline, and having no alternative when it isn’t working is a recipe for losses that could be wins is a far cry from thinking I should be coach. If you really think it’s the same thing and it causes you to get all in your feelings, then again, take your medicine. As for blaming society, I’ll put it a different way, I realize nobody ever taught you how to act and you don’t know any better along with being a nut case. So it’s all good. Have a great day in your command center or rubber room or whatever.
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If there was anything that would have helped the passing game it was assuring the USC lbs that we weren’t going to be running up the middle.
You sure you don’t want to get into coachin’?
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Nah I’ll leave that to you. Kirby was willing to take an embarrassing home loss to a shitty team because he and I guess you are playing upside down under water four dementional chess. It will help us later on down the road so we are going to do it even if we lose? Good Lord, Derek. You’re nuttier than squirrel shit.
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Willing, eh? I suppose that means we have bigger problems than offensive philosophy!
You can’t get whipped physically, want it less than the other guy and go 0-4 in turnovers and beat fucking air.
But I’m sure the offensive stratagem of you and your buddy would have made all the difference.
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I was just repeating what you posed as the reason for our strict adhering to manball. You said Kirby wanted to make sure we could do it and that was why we didn’t move away from it. So if you think that sounds stupid I agree with you. But they are your thoughts, not mine. I think your straight jacket is on too tight.
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“Have a great day in your command center or rubber room or whatever” should be the permanent title of the Playpen. Bravo.
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“because they couldn’t run the ball”? Really? As great a day as Sony and Nick had, you know OU had the leading rusher in the Rose Bowl, right? (and the only 200 yard rush game the Dawgs have given up vs a team under Kirby).
OU was a dumpster fire on defense, but scheming on offense while still running the ball torched us.
And if the goal is to beat Bama via manball, well, it’s been a decade since a team was able to do that (I put an asterisk around LSU’s win in 2011 because part of their limited offensive success was playing option with the then-backup QB.)
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I’m talking about playing with a lead.
Clemson twice and OSU beat a Alabama because when they got the lead late they could run the ball.
We couldn’t.
Oklahoma didn’t run for shit in the second half when they needed to protect that lead. That’s why we came back. Had they been able to grind out first downs, we would have run out of time.
If the opposite philosophy worked Mike leach could show us a division title. But he can’t. Because he doesn’t have one.
No sec title or national title winner has been crowned who could not run the ball when they wanted to run the ball.
Facts are stubborn things.
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I knew it! I knew you would go there about Mike Leach because you truly think this is binary. That or you think those of us who are simply identifying that an all man ball all the time approach is not going to take us where we want to go are instead advocating for the Air Raid. That’s stupid, Derek and you are either pretending to misunderstand just so you can get a fight going or you truly aren’t capable of discerning the difference because people are either with you a hundred percent or not at all in your mind. Nobody has advocated for adopting anything close to Leach’s philosophy. There is plenty of room between that and what we are doing and a lot of us just want something closer to the middle that is more flexible when man ball doesn’t work. Mike Leach. That’s lunacy.
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These fucking fuckers think they can coach better than Kirby at home, in a loss, to a 24.5 point underdog? It is to laugh. If you think Kirby coached poorly on Saturday, we can prove he didn’t by pointing to the 2017 Rose Bowl. QED morons!!!11!
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It really is hard to disagree with your premise here…
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Unless you’re a meme producing retard.
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Your analysis is as cogent as ever, Derek. If only middle school taught Manball 101, it would be an easy A for you. You’ve already mastered the swearing and insults required for coaching. You just might follow in the footsteps of DJ Durkin when you grow up.
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https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists
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The chart doesn’t lie. I’ll also say that a good qb coach can fix that.
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Run between the tackles, throw to the sideline, over 80% of our offense for the game. One of the 10 most frustrating games I have sat thru in my 60 years of watching football in that stadium. Come on Kirby, you saw what we all saw, a poorly prepared team to face an inferior opponent.
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Lot of armchair qb’ing going on. Perhaps it’s tough to throw over the middle with a 6’6” lineman pushing the pocket. Fromm is a good qb (heisman candidate and potential top 5 pick as a junior) who was pressured for the first time in a long time. He threw a lot of 1 on 1 balls and not many receivers made plays. The SC defense has been getting better every week. This was a good matchup if they could limit big plays in the run game and get pressure.
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With our talent advantage there is no way we should lose to a team like that. There is really no getting around it. But despite that, I realize it happens. It’s Kirby’s attitude that I’m sick of but even more his hard headed insistence on doing it the way he likes it even if it doesn’t work.
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We’re still just “Staying the Course”
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You should be sick and tired of Kirby’s attitude and philosophy. He took over a mediocre team and in year 2 and 3 had them in the CFP and SECC. In year 4 he is 5-1 and controls his own destiny in the SEC and playoffs. I would fire him before he does any more damage to this great program….
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Yeah that’s exactly what I said. I know it’s all or nothing to some of y’all but not for everybody. It’s simple, when man ball works, run it. When it doesn’t, do something else instead of just sticking to man ball and quit acting like man ball can’t fail but can only be failed. Not sure what you and Derek are having a hard time with there.
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I don’t think we have the problem. We are trying to point out that you don’t know what you are talking about but you keep doubling down on the stupid.
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So the Senator is stupid, Deandre Swift is stupid and you and Derek are smart? Hokay buddy.
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Why are there always folks on sports blogs/boards whose only fixation is to attack the other fans ? Armchair QB’ing is the province of internet sports discussion. It drives interest…it’s the more fun and modern version of traditional water cooler talk. If it annoys you guys so much, go back to the Wall Street Journal.
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Remember 2016 when we imposed our will all the way to 8-5?
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Why do you have to go dragging that shit up again?
Richt’s players, first year coach, freshman QB, injuries, team spirit, tough schedule, establishing identity, “Can’t believe we fired a 10 win coach who is also a saint and philanthropist of character plus an exemplary leader of young men to hire a Sabanbot who has to be picked up by the seat of his pants and placed behind the sidelines for his own good” ….
Did I leave anything out?
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Nope. Those are all the things I didn’t mention. Good job.
My point was that Kirby completely inverted the old saw about good coaches fitting their system to their talent, or taking what the defense gives. Instead, Kirby jammed the square peg of Richt’s players into the round hole of the “impose our will” paradigm. And he promptly lost 5 games to teams, like Georgia Tech, that UGA should have beaten handily.
Since then, he has recruited at an elite level and built up the talent to win a manball competition against most teams. Unless the shit hits the fan like Saturday. And when that happens, well Kirby also ignores the cliche about always having a Plan B.
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Receivers catch the passes and we’re not having this conversation. Fromm hits his open receivers instead of overthrowing and we’re talking about explosive Dawgs offense. Dawgs have to get better. It ain’t the plan. It’s lack of execution.
Losing sucks.
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It’s both. Any offensive strategy should plan for dropped balls and incompletions. They happen. Turnovers happen. And turnovers and incompletions can swing the game against a superior opponent or an evenly matched opponent.
But it shouldn’t swing the game against an overmatched opponent. Are Tennessee coaches justified in saying that they just got a few bad breaks in the Georgia State loss? They did go -2 in turnover margin. Of course not. It’s the same thing here. UGA has no excuse for losing to South Carolina except poor execution of a stupid plan.
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There is really no way around this: Kirby was afraid of losing Coley’s South Florida recruiting, so he promoted him to a job he isn’t very good at.
Full stop.
That can’t be fixed midseason. But if Coley doesn’t get his walking papers the second the season is over, then that’s a problem.
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With 2-3 more losses coming if we don’t do something different on offense, the recruits we need may not be coming anyway. Bring in an analyst to “advise” (direct) Coley immediately. Then show him the door after the season and spend what ever you need to fix this unimaginative, predictable offense. You know, what KS should have done last December when he botched the hire. Getting all of South Florida’s recruits will not put our offense on a par with the explosive one’s that reside at the top if we don’t get an architect to shape it, and install it. Better do that while we still have the talent to implement it at a high level.
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How long until Kirby just goes all in and tells us we haven’t been “in the arena”?
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Derek and Sides would love that.
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I’m loving it all right now.
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Hehe — he’s new here and doesn’t understand your allegiance…
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Not new. I’ve never read any of his posts. If he’s a SC fan why is he hanging out here and why does he give a shit if we “arm chair quarterback”?
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You were pulling his strings good there upstream…
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Kirby promoted Coley to a position he wasn’t qualified for because Coley can recruit S Florida. You know what else attracts top shelf recruits (like, say, Jadon Haselwood)? Running an electric offense. There are multiple ways to accomplish your goals Kirby. You just have to be willing to adapt from your preferred method.
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I have been a huge Jake Fromm fan. However there were guys open that he straight up didn’t see on multiple occasions. He is cerebral and I love that about him, but he predetermined where he was going with the ball too many times. This has been taken advantage of multiple times over the last couple of years. Clemson and UGA did it to Tua last year, it happens to any good QB. Fromm and Coley need to take a page out Mike Leach’s offensive philosophy playbook. “Throw it to the open guy”.
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Clearly he failed to see some open guys (what QB doesn’t when in “the pit” while the rest of us sit, safely, on our butts?). I feel the pass rush and our OL studs being driven back into his area of the pocket caused him to cut his decision time substantially. I am confident he knew where every receiver was, and would have preferred the open guy as his favorite option. I don’t say that to be a wise ass, just pointing out that the heat of battle influences those missed opportunities. Jake had all night against TN, but in this game, the LSU game, and the TX game, our OL was subpar, thus Jke’s stats took a big hit. Not having Cager was huge as well, as was not having better play options.
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Maybe Coley getting the play in faster would help Jake not be so hurried with his decisions.
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