A manball for all seasons

TFW manball is working…

… and TFW it is not.

That’s almost eerie, except it really isn’t, because there’s a common flaw running through both upsets.  Here’s how Richard Johnson describes it in today’s Read Option by Banner Society email:

Two teams whose Playoff hopes took hits the last two weeks are content to play a style of football that seems from a bygone era (around 1999 or so). Both Wisconsin and Georgia have seen their bullyball outfits neutered by mistakes, all-around poor play, and an opponent that was just good enough.

This email isn’t to say that style can’t work. When executed well by the right teams in the right ways, it is breathtaking to watch. But parsing Wisconsin’s loss at Illinois and Georgia’s a week earlier to South Carolina shows the ways MANBALL can go wrong.

Wisconsin fumbled twice inside the Illinois 40.  They threw a pick that set up the winning drive.  They missed a third-quarter field goal.

This is what happens when the MANBALL isn’t firing on all cylinders and also isn’t getting help from the other phases of the game — or from coaching decisions, like not simply rushing the ball down the throat of an opponent to salt the game away. When the game develops in such a way that you can’t just sit on it, you get into challenging scenarios.

That “isn’t getting help from the other phases of the game” is what makes me nervous, based on the lack of consistency from Georgia’s special teams play.  The Dawgs didn’t pay for that Saturday night, but you wonder if that would have been the case against a team with a better offense than Kentucky’s.

Speaking of Georgia, Johnson nails it.

This is bigger than just Fromm. He gets labelled as a Checkdown Charlie, but I think that’s a bit unfair. Fromm is operating in an offense that’s been structurally inept. It’s also not helping that Georgia’s receivers are not consistently winning in man coverage, due to either a lack of athleticism, poor offensive play design, or both. This has left Georgia fans pissed. Many of them booed during this week’s 21-0 win over Kentucky, a game that was 0-0 at halftime.

Weirdly, that Kentucky game was Georgia’s brand of bullyball working. The game lurched for 60 minutes with only 106 combined plays. Kentucky had a converted wide receiver at QB who started 0-for-9 through the air and didn’t complete a pass until the fourth quarter. Georgia’s offense was not asked to use its passing game Saturday, so it barely did.

Fromm went nine-for-12 with one (1) second-half passing attempt and 35 yards through the air. His adjusted net yards per attempt (a weighted measure accounting for sacks, touchdowns, and interceptions) was two. The national average is roughly 6.5.

Georgia’s running game is quite efficient. The Dawgs do well when they’re on schedule, like most offenses. But they’re just not that explosive. They’re 75th nationally in plays gaining 20 or more yards, down from 10th last season. Against Kentucky, Fromm attempted two passes that traveled more than eight yards from the line of scrimmage in the air.  [Emphasis added.]

Needless to say, that ain’t gonna cut it.

Kentucky wasn’t good enough for Georgia’s offensive turtling to matter, but South Carolina showed if you splash some Fromm turnovers into the mix, you don’t have to be elite to beat the Dawgs when they’re playing like this.

I’m being hard on these teams because of their ceilings.

Both teams still have Playoff paths, though they’re a lot more brutal now given everything you’ve just read. But both have big structural problems and little margin for error. If either loses again to a team it beats on paper, you’ll probably know why.

But I don’t want to know why!

I’ll say it again, for those in the back:  there’s nothing per se wrong with Kirby’s manball approach.  It’s a philosophy, not an offensive scheme.  There is a problem when circumstances undercut the philosophy, as we saw in the South Carolina game.  Georgia’s passing scheme has issues and the run play calling has been stubborn about running into stacked defenses.  I happen to think both are fixable, with a little flexibility from the staff.

But the bigger issue is realizing that one size doesn’t fit all circumstances.  Kentucky, for general purposes, may be South Carolina (if Georgia doesn’t turn the ball over against the ‘Cocks, it’s still an undefeated team this morning).  But Florida ain’t.  And Alabama and LSU definitely ain’t.  Can Kirby adapt when the moment requires it?  I’m betting we’re about to find out.

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92 responses to “A manball for all seasons

  1. Normaltown Mike

    “there’s nothing per se wrong with Kirby’s manball approach”

    Agree. My beef w/ Kirbs, et. al. is the stubborn insistence that “if only all 11 players do exactly as told on each play, we’ll be successful”.

    THAT is madness. Coaching, like parenting, management, etc. is expecting inadequate performance and consequently making preparations so that you can be successful even when 1, 2 or 3 players don’t execute as expected on a given play.

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    • MDDawg

      But isn’t expecting all 11 players do be perfect a part of The Process he spent so much time learning in Tuscaloosa?

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    • dawgfan1995

      When I was on my high school’s JV football team, we had a coach who called run plays in the A or B gaps practically every single play. We almost never threw the ball. Many of us used to complain about this — that our offense was designed to get 3-4 yards a play tops and that was it — and the response we got was, “if everyone does their job and blocks, every single play should be a big play touchdown. Every single play. So do your jobs right!”

      Needless to say, we were a BAD junior varsity football team.

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  2. Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

    This is where Mike Bobo comes in to rescue Kirby Smart from himself in 2020.

    Mike Bobo’s scheme is nothing but adaptable. It’s pro-style, Kirby’s preferred offensive scheme, but Bobo has the acumen that both Chaney and Coley lack to actually help WRs and TEs get open in the middle of the field. Bobo has also coached 1000 yard runners. When Bobo returns to Georgia, and it’s happening, folks, he’ll become the Erk to Kirby’s Dooley.

    Help us Mike Bobo, you’re our only hope!

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    • SpellDawg

      Hoping the same. Manball is great when it’s working, but you need to be able to score quick when you need to. Bobo was great at that. That USCe second half was a disaster in slow motion. I kept looking at the clock and saying WTF…our defense was handling their 3rd string QB, why weren’t we running up-tempo every series??

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    • Will (the other one)

      Bobo was able to put up excellent numbers with iffy offensive lines. Bobo plus the talent on hand in Athens would be really something.

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    • HiAltDawg

      Also, ace recruiter and a HOF QB coach – – Dude managed Greene/Shockley dynamic, got Stafford to quit lasering throws through the receivers, had Joe Cox set season TD record, and got broke leg Aaron Murray to set SEC career marks.

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      • 2675miller

        I question Bobo’s legacy as an ace recruiter. The shelf was totally empty on offense when he left beside Chubb and Michel.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

          That would be dumb to question. Number 1, the recruiting plan was top-down from Richt. So if Richt didn’t believe you needed 5-star talent on the offensive line to be successful, those guys wouldn’t be recruited. As to the other talent on offense, there was plenty. Of all the guys who took us to the National Title Game in January 2018, Mike Bobo had a hand in recruiting most of them.

          Mike Bobo also did something that Chaney and Coley weren’t and aren’t able to to do: Work with all kinds of QBs and find success by adapting his offense to their strengths while keeping it pro style.

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          • 79Dawg

            No kidding – pretty sure Bobo spent his time recruiting the skillz guys, not the line…
            Said this a year ago and will say it again, the worst thing that could happen to us is that when Bobo gets fired, he comes back to be the offensive coordinator/QB coach at another SEC school or FSU – in other words, close enough to potentially pull offensive skill players away from us and improve the quality of those teams’ coaching….

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          • 2675miller

            You can’t say that Bobo was a great recruiter and then say the absence of a single above average ol, wr or qb when he left was Richt’s fault. Even Wynn was a project. He recruited as hs seniors at most 4 of the offensive starters on that team. That’s not exactly “most.” I like Bobo, but it was his fault that had less talent to work with than we’ve had recently. No one was stopping him from recruiting 5 star wr’s, Ols’s and better qbs than the ones he left us with after Murray left. I’d welcome him back but I’d also hope that someone else would handle the qb evaluations and ol recruiting.

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  3. Reverend Whitewall

    One thing I noticed Saturday night was on several of Fromm’s drop backs where he couldn’t find anyone open, the WR’s all seemed to just kind of get to the end of their route and then stop and watch as Fromm scrambled just to try to get back to the line of scrimmage. Don’t know if it’s a coaching thing or an effort thing or both, but our WR’s don’t seem to be good at working their way back to the QB when he is scrambling. When their route ends, they just….stop.

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    • David K

      I disagree. Fromm doesn’t scramble. He checks down so damn fast and dumps if off most of the time. There are no extended plays and WR’s working back to get open in this offense.

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      • Reverend Whitewall

        I can buy that to an extent. There were a couple of plays somebody definitely could have tried to work their way back Saturday night, but to your point, could be because of prior tendencies from Jake himself.

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    • SlobberKnocker

      I noticed Saturday (and have seen it before) that once Fromm decides to scramble, his head goes down and he’s not even looking for guys working to get open. He tucks it and runs. I don’t know if the WR’s aren’t working back because they know this or if Fromm knows they won’t so he isn’t looking. Or maybe something else. But I have seen it multiple times and cannot come up with an explanation.

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      • Fromm doesn’t scramble … that means running from side to side to buy time to throw. When he tucks it, he is looking to gain yards with his legs. He is typically leaving the pocket to run rather than leaving the pocket to throw.

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        • Bobo4Prez

          Fromm can’t throw on the run or moving in the pocket. It is his biggest and overlooked weakness IMO. His feet have to be perfectly set. If Fromm can’t change this he will be out of the NFL in 2-3 years.

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      • Derek

        He threw one across his body that got picked vs. Texas so there’s that.

        The improv vs. tenn to swift on the wheel route was the only play I can think of that’s he’s made out of the pocket.

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  4. MDDawg

    If we do get the luxury of playing LSU or Bama in Atlanta later this year, I think Kirby’s even more likely to lean into the manball approach. “How can we slow down their high-powered offense? I know! Let’s control the clock as much as possible and limit their opportunities!”

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    • Derek

      Why?

      We haven’t done that either time vs. Alabama.

      We threw 32 times in the first game and 40 times in the second game in 2018.

      But if we’re running and it works, and given Alabama’s weakness at ilb it might, we win.

      What’s wrong with that?

      If anything in the LSU game last year we went away from running it far too early.

      Eliminate the turnovers and this is going to be a tough team to beat no matter what the opponent does.

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      • MDDawg

        “What’s wrong with that?” Nothing’s wrong with it if it’s working, but Coley seems slow to adapt when things aren’t working, which is one of the main complaints that’s been mentioned here in the past couple of weeks.

        And your points about the previous two meetings with Alabama might be more reassuring if that same OC was still employed in Athens. I agree with you re: the LSU game last year though, I thought we abandoned the run too early then too, but I believe LSU also started doing something on defense that helped slow down our running game.

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  5. gastr1

    The biggest downfall of manball, IMO, is its belief in repetition. There is no philosophical point, apparently, where manball should modify to something else because of a circumstantial disadvantage. That attempt to bunch up for that absurd QB sneak…OMFG, what in the hell is wrong with these people.

    It’s much riskier than Kirby Smart would like ot acknowledge and I really believe it cost us both those games against Alabama.

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  6. No complaints here. Everything is just swell. Kirby and Coley have everyone right where they want them and are about to win the rest of the games. Gonna do it with by-gone era football, too.

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  7. Dawgflan

    Maybe a hug and a few inspirational quotes can help Smart avoid Les Miles syndrome:

    “If you risk nothing, then you risk everything.” — Geena Davis

    “People who don’t take risks generally make about two big mistakes a year. People who do take risks generally make about two big mistakes a year.” — Peter Drucker

    “You’ll always miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.” — Wayne Gretzky

    “Go out on a limb. That’s where the fruit is.” — Jimmy Carter

    “If things seem under control, you are just not going fast enough.” — Mario Andretti

    “The dangers of life are infinite, and among them is safety.” — Goethe

    “Take calculated risks. That is quite different from being rash.” — General George Patton

    “We’re all risk averse creatures, aren’t we? Like turtles, hiding in our little shells, trying to protect ourselves – never quite realizing that we’re protecting ourselves from the good stuff as well as the bad.” ― Debbie Johnson

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  8. FlyingPeakDawg

    I don’t currently see an offense matching last year’s nor capable of beating Florida, Auburn and Bama/LSU. I do think the D can handle the first two but have to have an explosive offense to help in the SECCG. Maybe the trick play will work this year?

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  9. The other Doug

    I agree that Man Ball isn’t such a bad thing. What worries me is that teams have figured out how to stifle Kirby’s version of Man Ball, and I haven’t see an adjustment. It’s the plan B we all keep talking about.

    I don’t think Kirby is stupid, so he has to see what we see and he has to know it must get fixed. If we don’t see some major adjustments in Jax then we’re in trouble, and Kirby will start hearing the warm seat talk this off season.

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    • Will (the other one)

      I think a lot of it comes back to the explosive play numbers falling off a cliff from last year to this year. If Smart is really stubborn, he’s chalking that up to execution and not breaking enough big runs (and until Swift took over in the 2nd half, there hadn’t been many of them), and that just running more + executing better blocks will result in more explosive plays.
      But it’s also possible the explosive runs aren’t happening because no explosive passing is happening, and that might be more schematic than execution (certainly execution is part though.)
      But it sure looks like the plan is “we’re not going to try and take the top off the defense, but we’ll eventually wear you down.”

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      • The other Doug

        There are few explosive run plays because the safeties are crashing in at the slightest whiff of a run. If they are wrong they’re fine with trying to recover and help out the secondary.

        Kirby likes to talk about better blocking from the WRs, but there is no way they can block a safety that is playing run first. When it’s a pass play we’re throwing into traffic and there is no run after the catch to block for.

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        • Of all the members of the UGA football staff, using my one good brain cell here, the current UGA O.C. being a previous WR coach, i hoped would open a few opportunities plus the current UGA WR coach/passing game coordinator has (what appears to be) WR expertise/resume plus the T.E. coach, all this would translate to the receivers room, does the UGA ass. H.C. (golden gawd) scheme the O.L.and T.E.’s or just the O.L…the UGA D.C. (i get CKS’s input here), DB coach appears to have translated the scheme to the field….that one UGA running play that has wide out and slot man (opposite sides of the field from one another) prior to the snap,motion towards the interior linemen to block just leaves a bit to be desired (scheme/disguise wise)

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  10. 2675miller

    My gripe is why bleed the clock against a team like Caronia when you are trailing they have no hope of scoring outside of a fluke big play. In the end, Kirby left himself no time to win. The same thing was playing out in the first half on Saturday. Thankfully, the dawgs scored first and the game was effectively over then.

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  11. W Cobb Dawg

    When we went to the championship the STs were a big part of the equation. Appears we’ve regressed considerably in that aspect of the game too. Kirby is holding his offensive and ST assistants back, or they are really letting him down.

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  12. Joe Schmoe

    There is an issue with this approach to football (especially college football) and you have mentioned it Senator – it leaves no margin for error. Essentially Georgia HAS to win the turnover margin to win games as this point. What if WE had been the ones to shank the punt (which Camarda has done a bunch) or turn the ball over? We would have lost if these things happened. We are basically giving ourselves one path to victory with this style of football and no plan B.

    My concern is that Kirby sees that there is a problem but his diagnosis is that it is just the players not executing – nothing wrong with the scheme or approach.

    I’m really starting to hate Kirby’s offensive philosophy and not just because I think it is dangerously outdated – IT’S FREAKING PAINFUL AND BORING AS HELL TO WATCH! This will be all good for Kirby as long as we win, but his is also not building himself much margin for error personally with the fan base with this stubborn bullshit.

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    • William H.

      Agree. You have to be perfect because every play counts, and any adversity is not a speed bump, but more like a hull breach. I firmly believe that some of our personnel groupings are so bunched, the defense has everyone within 6 to 7 yards at any one time. So, there is no room for screens to be successful, or any room up the gut (since we seem to insist this play will hit eventually). The off tackle runs worked so well IMO because the formations seemed more spread out. A DB couldn’t just break back and clobber Swift from 2 or 3 yards away. Maybe it was just me. Maybe I’m old and grumpy. Maybe its the Irish Cream in the coffee.

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  13. Debby Balcer

    We have watched FL struggle all year and barely win but they are being credited as being better because we lost to SC. They only beat them with help from the refs. We look at our team with a microscope and theirs with a wide angled lens. Dan Mullins is not a better coach than Kirby.

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    • Happy Dawg

      Thank you Debbie for that much needed dose of reality

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    • Florida played SC without their 2 best pass rushers, and proceeded to lose three other passrushers during the game. They had some help from the refs, but SC played way better against them than they did UGA because they had Hlinski the entire game. Also, Florida already beat Auburn and went toe-to-toe with LSU in Baton Rouge at night and acquitted themselves quite well. Florida is a better team without “IDoDis” Franks mucking things up, and Mullen has done a heck of a job getting that offense functional. Is he a better coach than Kirby? Don’t be ridiculous. But Florida is a good team that will beat the shit out of Georgia if Georgia plays like they have the last two weeks.

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  14. jt10mc (the other one)

    There is nothing wrong with the philosophy…there is something wrong on how we are trying to get there…I have seen different types of plays the first 4 games and when we ran outside the tackles or ran a route that was a simple out or curl…it WORKED!
    I am hearing that Dell and Pittboss went to Coach Manball and expressed their ire wrt to playcalling…and manball isn’t blind to it.

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  15. Charlottedawg

    I don’t have a problem with man ball. It can be efficient AND explosive. You can both break the will of your opponent AND score 40+ points a game. How do I know? Because that’s exactly what we did in 2017 and 18.

    Here’s what I have a problem with:

    1) taking our sweet time to get the play in / tempo in general. I know Kirby has forgotten more about football than I know but this seems like a no brainer. It gives Fromm time to make his pre snap checks, run tempo against tired defenses and/ or personnel / formations the defense doesn’t like. Oh and in case nobody has noticed our offense has this weird habit of coming to life in two minute situations. Also shortening the game when you have superior depth and talent is the exact opposite of the ideal strategy. If you play man ball and therefore want to minimize the potential for bad special teams plays or freak turnovers to benefit an inferior opponent: RUN MORE PLAYS!!!!

    2) never changing your play calling approach when it clearly isn’t working. You can run the ball, I get. You don’t have to run the ball into the back of your o line over and over. We literally called that play 3 consecutive plays on the 3 and out before the first swift TD. Then we finally call a run to the edge and swift takes it to the house. Hmmmm……

    If we’re truly as talented as we are on paper. These are not wholesale changes, the coaches just need to make some tweaks or adjustments. Frankly, just bring back some of the stuff that worked, JUST. LAST. YEAR. If the coaches expect the players to win their one on one matchups (a reasonable expectation) then they should expect themselves to win their one on one coaching matchups.

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  16. Illini84

    From the road to the beach “Go Illini!”

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  17. Scorpio Jones, III

    On to Duval Street baby….

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  18. Derek

    We threw it 40 times and ran it 39 times in the seccg. We can, have and will change it up as dictated by the opponent.

    Instilling physicality and toughness aren’t bad things.

    Where are the wide open offenses that turn it over and still win?

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    • Former Fan

      Part of the problem is UGA seems to turn it on and off in games. Look SC. Turned it on when UGA got behind. Turned it off the rest of the game. Or so it seemed. Why be that stubborn? Why take the foot off the gas pedal?

      Oh, and just throwing it doesn’t mean one is going away from “man ball” or stubbornness. How about running routes that actually help the receivers get open in man to man coverage? Why continue to run this dink and dunk pass routes we seem to be running this year?

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      • Derek

        Part of our problem has been the fact that Jake is incredibly streaky bad and good.

        What you see as “foot on the pedal” are a series of completions. When he’s off or loses confidence the offense goes to shit. Which is to be expected.

        The guy is 0-5 when he throws over 30 times. He only has one additional career loss. So he’s a lot-1 when he doesn’t throw it 30 times.

        I know the “brain trust” around here look at that and say: “i know he’ll win the next time he throws more!! I just know it!!!”

        It’s stupid.

        In other words, when we put it all on Jake, we lose.

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      • MDDawg

        I think most of the gripes are directed at Coley specifically, but Smart’s the head man so he catches it all eventually. As you said, we have demonstrated the ability to mix it up, but that was with a different OC. Coley seems less creative and more stubborn than Chaney was, and most of us wouldn’t be surprised if that cost us again.

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  19. Former Fan

    Senator, in fairness, wouldn’t you agree that in years past, UGA has come out with a great offensive gameplan against Bama and some more athletic teams? Last year, the first half against Bama was pretty good offensively and it was 2 years ago too.

    The way I see it is that the stubbornness shows itself when UGA plays a lesser talented team or when they get up on an equally talented team. The default is to go into “let’s not make a mistake” mode and that costs us games. If we had continued to push against USCe like we did when we got down late, perhaps we win that game. We don’t know because it didn’t appear that UGA did that. My football IQ isn’t all that high, but I think most of us are in agreement that something is wrong and changing doesn’t seem to be what UGA is good at.

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  20. Texas Dawg

    A truly good offense is able to take what the other team gives them. If they want to stack the box, we have the talent to light them up with the passing game (Deep and intermediate- the short passing game is just a glorified run). If they drop into coverage, we have the backs to make them pay by running it down their throats. What we DO NOT have in an OC (or by extension HC) that is willing to do this. We have a “this is what we are going to do come hell or high water”. Against a lesser team that usually works (I am trying to forget the chickens), but against equal talent (and sometimes against lesser talent), then it is a real crap shoot.

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  21. chopdawg

    I think we’re just not quite as talented this year, especially at O-line,WR, and TE.

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    • Macallanlover

      Center is the only change on the OL, and that seems to make a huge difference thus far. Wonder if that gets addressed during the off week, first chance since it really showed itself. The best DL teams are coming up with FU and AU.

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  22. practicaldawg

    Never underestimate the internet’s ability to draw sweeping conclusions from small sample sizes. I’m not saying manball is perfect, but if the standard for manball is “never lose a game,” then I think all offensive philosophies fail long-term.

    This whole narrative about how “the pass sets up the run” basically started this year following Clemson’s NC because Lawrence ostensibly won the game with his arm. Never mind that Alabama was supposedly running the same philosophy and lost badly because… guess what.. Clemson’s defense was lights out.

    Also, Saban has yet to win a NC with this new “pass sets up the run” philosophy. Nor has LSU, OU, OSU, or anyone else in this supposed end-all-be-all group. By the way, if Tua isn’t healthy, you can be damn sure Saban wishes he had a more established run game.

    We probably shot ourselves in the foot this year already, but I still like having a defense-first team long-term. Add some receivers and better play calling, and the offense will be able to score more than enough to win.

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    • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

      The pass sets up the run is only something that started this year? LOL.

      Don Coryell and Bill Walsh are rolling over in the graves.

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      • practicaldawg

        Good point about it not being new to football. I’m just saying this year it’s taken a life of its own in the whole “kill off manball” debate. I think the current narrative is delusional, especially the way it totally discounts the value of defense. It looks at offense in a vacuum — something the media has trained most people to do because the media loves highlights.

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        • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

          No, it simply is an intelligent way to take advantage of the new rules over the last 10 years that overwhelmingly favor the offense. You need to be able to score in a minute, and when you’re playing a team who can do that while you’re trying to play manball for an entire quarter, that’s how you lose to Bama after building up two score leads before the fourth quarter. Twice.

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          • practicaldawg

            I get what you’re saying about being able to score fast, but this is the kind of revisionist history that drives me nuts. In 2017, Saban was not running this style of offense, so that’s not a data point in support of what you’re saying. And in 2018, Saban lost his pass-first QB in the game (who was doing a really poor job and losing). Saban’s magic rabbit that day was a mobile QB who won the game on the ground, not the air.

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            • Hurts was 7-9 passing for 82 yards and a TD.

              He rushed 5 times for 28 yards and a TD.

              Sounds like he did a little of both.

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            • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

              It’s not revisionist history. Bama opened up their offense in 2015 when Kiffin became their OC. Sorry to disappoint you, but it’s true.

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              • practicaldawg

                In 2015, Alabama’s offense was mostly powered by Derrick Henry on the ground, who did a lot to help open the passing game. Their passing and rushing yards were almost even that year. Very similar to 2019 UGA stats actually.

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                • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

                  It’s not about throwing the ball more (or even less). It’s like y’all don’t read anything the Senator ever writes about this.

                  It’s about the scheme. What’s being done to fit the athletes you have, and how you actually scheme to get your WRs, TEs, and RBs open in space in the middle of the field so when you do pass, those athletes can run a long way if all breaks right.

                  Looking at the Georgia offense the last four years, do you see ANYTHING from Chaney or Coley that shows you they knew or know how to scheme their pass catchers open in space in the middle of the field with room to run? The misuse of Mecole Hardman alone should be a stone around Chaney’s neck for the rest of his career, as should the current misuse of James Cook by Coley.

                  You don’t even listen, do you?

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                • J.G.

                  I keep forgetting that James Cook is on the team. Former five-star RB James Cook. We can’t figure out how to use this guy in the passing game, to make defenses pay for stacking the box?

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          • 79Dawg

            As you mentioned above, it seems like only a few years ago we had an OC who was capable of doing exactly that…

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            • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

              Mike Bobo will return in 2020, and if Fromm comes back, I’d make us the odds on favorites to win the National Title with Zeus and Cook as the primary ball carriers.

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              • Derek

                You mean like when Swift was wide open on the last play vs. USCe?

                You don’t even watch the games do you?

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                • Napoleon BonerFart

                  Right! Coley waited the entire game to scheme Swift open with 4 seconds left. It’s not his fault Fromm screwed it up. What do we expect, that he’s going to try to get receivers open consistently? Fuck you guys.

                  And now that Fromm screwed up the perfect pass to Swift, Coley has decided to punish Fromm by not scheming any more pass plays!

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    • Texas Dawg

      Nothing wrong with defensive football It is the foundation of championships, but you still have to score points and wear down the other team when on offense. Nothing wrong with man ball. The problem is we seem to insist on playing dumb ball. Running the ball to impose your will is fine as long as you realize there are other areas besides between the tackles once in a while, especially when you have elite running backs. No one wants us to be an air raid offense, but lord, our passing attack is for the most part as bland a rice without salt. Our tight ends are so absent in the passing game that they should be pictured on the side of milk cartons. If pass receptions were water, the area between the hash marks would be equal to the Sahara desert. I watch other teams and see QB’s hitting receivers that have 3-4 steps on their man. He have the speed and talent to do this, but when the DB knows that every pass is going to be between the hash and the sideline, it makes it a lot easier to cover. Same with running. When it seems that 99% of the runs are between the tackles it makes it a lot easier to defend…forget about the edge. Bobo put up some VERY impressive numbers out of the pro set with much less talent. That is what is SOOOOO frustrating. We have elite talent yet refuse to use it to an elite level. As someone above noted, the coaches expect the players to each win their one on one battles with the opposing player. Shouldn’t the players and fans also expect the coaches to win their one on one battles with their opposition as well (hint..they aren’t).

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  23. doofusdawg

    The game plan for Florida will be predictable. I imagine Kirby wants to run the ball… eat the clock and get the game into the 4th quarter where our running game will take over. We just don’t have the horses at receiver and everyone knows it. If only we could find a way to get the ball to Dom and Kearis in the seam. If I’m Coley that’s what I am working on this week. That and telling Fromm he no longer has the option to check into the inside zone read.

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    • practicaldawg

      I think a few downfield completions + a couple of UF turnovers will be more than enough. Hopefully we have a receiver (somewhere) that can figure out how to get open on a few plays in the first half.

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  24. Tlkdawg

    “If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principle difference between a dog and a man.”

    “The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog.”– Mark Twain quotes.

    Not relevant. I just like ’em. 🙂

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  25. UGA '97

    was clemson playing man ball losing to Pitt and Syracuse and almost UNC? was bama playing man ball vs clemson in cfp champ game? small samples of 1 or 2 games here or there where Offenses sputtered = bad narratives. Defense also still matters…especially in big championship games that are meaningful.

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  26. What’s the difference between when you’re an air raid team or a modern spread team that is -4 in TOs in a game and when you do it while playing manball? Do they air raid/spread teams still get to win?

    Asking for a friend.

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  27. piper

    so we just assume that LSU and Bama would have still thrown the ball all over the field saturday night? i’d love to see them be forced to be one dimensional into a mostly run scenario like we had against KY.

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