Just gonna have to be a different man.

Today’s question comes from Seth Emerson’s mailbag ($$):

In your opinion is Kirby Smart able/willing to truly evaluate every part of the program, himself included and make necessary changes? If not I fear we’re stuck here.

Tim T.

This was the tone of several questions this week, and a general sentiment among a growing segment of the fan base: Is Smart too stubborn and set in his ways to fix the offense? (Tim, I know you say “every part of the program,” but let’s be honest, you mean the offense.) Another reader, George C., went so far as to term Smart’s post-SEC championship presser as “tone deaf,” which was when Smart said this: “People can say, well, Coach Smart wants to play man ball. Coach Smart wants to win, and we threw the ball 42 times.”

For the record, the very fact Smart cited the term “man ball” means he knows the criticism is out there. He is self-aware. That’s a good thing. Whether he acts on it is, of course, a whole different matter.

Seth gives Kirby the benefit of the doubt there.  How about you?  Sounds like a reader poll topic to me.

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UPDATE:  Kirby and Georgia’s offense appear to be a popular Mailbag topic.  Here’s the leadoff item from Andy Staples($$):

You asked the question about Kirby Smart: Will he adapt like Saban and Orgeron and fulfill the promise he’s created at Georgia, or will he stubbornly refuse like Les Miles and throw away all he’s built in Athens? So what’s the answer? What do you honestly think he’ll do, knowing what you know about Kirby?

George

I think Smart will try to change the offense. The question is how far he’ll be willing to go.

He tried to hire former Georgia coordinator Mike Bobo — who was fired last week at Colorado State — but South Carolina coach Will Muschamp won the tug-of-war between former Georgia teammates to hire their former teammate Bobo. Bobo would have opened up the offense…

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  1. Can a third option be evaluate, recruit and develop more and better WRs so that the offense isn’t handicapped?

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    • I think that’s covered under players “do more”. 😉

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      • J-Dawg

        Senator,
        Did Kirby actually try to get Bobo, and what is the back story on how Boom got him? My thoughts were his hatred for McGoofus. Your thoughts please.

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        • My understanding is yes, but SC has an open OC spot and UGA doesn’t.

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        • MGW

          My thoughts exactly: saw Andy Staples say that we made a run at Bobo, but in what capacity? We can’t possibly be telling Coley “you’re OC, but we’re interviewing your replacement.”

          Leads me to believe we may be trying to do a “Joe Brady passing game coordinator” type thing. Anybody got any information on that?

          I just kind of thought we were in the position of replacing departed people and sticking to “the plan” with Coley until further notice.

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          • Will (the other one)

            Fingers remained crossed that they pull someone from the NFL and they come in as WR/co-OC/Pass Game Coordinator or QBs/co-OC/pass game coordinator, and then Coley and his recruiting stick around, but game planning gets some much needed help on offense, and existing players are put in better position to succeed and “coached up”
            Mike LeFleur off San Fran’s staff or Mike Kafka from Kansas City would be great gets. If they want to keep it local, I imagine both Greg Knaap and Mike Mularkey will be looking for work again soon in Atlanta (and as bad as the Falcons have been, they’ve had a pretty solid pass game)

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  2. I’ll go with Seth’s analysis:

    “My inclination is to give Smart the benefit of the doubt. I’ve covered every day of his tenure as head coach. I’ve seen how he operates, how he has built this program. I’ve talked to numerous people who know him and have worked with him. My sense of him is a dynamic and forward-thinking personality: The way he recruits, the way he has pushed for funding and facilities, the way he uses analytics and constantly cites them, the way he self-analyzes and quality-controls everything. He is often told that he’s a businessman in a football coach’s body.
    What would a good businessman do in the present situation? Would he look at an under-performing area of his company and say: Eh, we were just short on personnel (receivers and tight ends), we’ll be better next year. Or would he look at how LSU, Clemson, Ohio State and Oklahoma — all in the top 5 nationally in total offense — are all in the Playoff, and his 60th-ranked offense is not, and say: Something’s gotta change.”

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  3. ASEF

    Recruit. Develop. Deploy.

    Which one does Kirby need to change? We have the players suck! camp (recruiting). We have the fire the OC and/or WR coach! camp (development). We have the Kirby needs to get his head out of his ass! camp (deployment).

    I’m firmly in deployment, but I could be talked into a combo of development and deployment. After all, you emphasize the development of skill sets that facilitate execution needed for planned deployment.

    Not buying the players just can’t execute an effective passing attack. Not at all.

    So which one does Kirby need to change?

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    • Derek

      He needs Ernest Angley’s ability to put hands on Cager and say “you are healed!” Apparently we go from 50% comp. rate to 70% with such powers properly applied. Presumably the same could be used on landers’ hands.

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      • I don’t think even Tebow could fix that. 😉

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      • Greg

        and the ability to convince Hardman and Ridley to stay for ’19. For Holloman to keep his nose clean and to bubble wrap Jackson and Blaylock..

        But seriously, there has not been as much of importance put on the offensive side of the ball as the defensive side in recruiting. Especially WR, the other skill positions are beginning to scare me as well.

        To me, recruit better (quality) and develop better…..and this has not happened overnight (recruitment). The type of offense we run could make it tougher, but I don’t fully buy that…..just think he may be more of a defensive minded coach than offensive and needs to change.

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        • Derek

          Not having a second back in this class worries me. Losing Gilbert worries me. Not having TE’s worries me. The wr room generally worries me.

          While I don’t buy into the nature of the complaints around here I do agree that momentum and attractiveness is a harsh reality when your survival depends upon recruiting.

          Like I said yesterday, Pickens needs to have a big year next year to show the elite kids that you can come here and shine.

          Got to get back to ATL next fall and win it.

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          • Greg

            Gonna be tough to sell it this year on the recruiting trail, especially the way the year has gone. It is either sell the need or come play in this pro style offense….probably some of the both of’em.

            A returning QB should help.

            I’m sure keeping Coley will be sold against us (opponents), but keeping him would be the right decision imo.

            Just need a few pieces to make it work again.

            Honestly, I think for what we had to work with…that it is amazing that we won 11 games.

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            • Derek

              How did we beat Auburn with this is a fair question.

              The one thing we can offer is immediate playing time to TE’s and WR’s. Not very many teams in the top 10 can offer that.

              Gilbert passing was a “canary in the coal mine” moment. Of course I don’t think booing during his official helped any.

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              • Greg

                Good question (Auburn)…. planned around our weaknesses. Plus we had Pickens for a full game, a healthy Blaylock and I believe Cager played some in that game…not to mention Swift.

                It would be a small miracle if we beat Baylor. Thinks a loss would hurt more overall than the money we will get…..rather sit at home, but that ain’t happening.

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                • Derek

                  One thing we learned about last years sugar bowl?

                  It didn’t matter to either program. Texas went 7-5 and we finished 5th, again.

                  I hope it matters more to our kids this year because it will be more fun to watch, but in the end, it doesn’t matter.

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      • gastr1

        He needs Derek to whisper in his ear that he’s doing just fine, it’s all just fine, THIS is real football.

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        • Derek

          Have you sent your resume to all of the ad’s yet?

          Seems your wasting your talents hammering out blog posts when you could be making millions with your coaching expertise.

          You know what they don’t. Be a shame to waste it all here. For nothing.

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          • gastr1

            No one on this board consistently insults people over innocent comments as much as you do, Derek. You really have a problem and should figure out a way to talk about the issue at hand without feeling the need to insult other commenters virtually every single time.

            I’m sick of it and you need to GTFU.

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      • Gurkha Dawg

        Derek, the fact that the offense depended so heavily on a #2 WR on a 7-6 team transfer kinda proves Cager being hurt was not the problem.

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        • Derek

          Other than reality, you’re right.

          If you look at game results and performance what I’m saying has merit.

          If you ignore all of the facts I’m wrong.

          Wait… is this playpen again??

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          • gastr1

            Anytime you comment it’s the Playpen, Derek.

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          • Gurkha Dawg

            I thought you were saying that our passing game was significantly hurt by Cager’s injury. I agree with that. I’m just saying that the dependency on Cager proves that our play at WR is not at the level we need it to be. Chill out.

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            • Derek

              True. I wish it wasn’t so dependent too, but the fact we functioned as an offense with him suggests, at least to me, that our issues have more to do with roster than with play calling.

              Better players get better results.

              It IS Kirby’s responsibility to have the players that get the job done. My issue has been:

              “If landers can’t play like cager we need to fire people!” isn’t a targeted response to the issues we face.

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            • Will (the other one)

              I’d say it’s also an indictment of QB coaching. Fromm using Wims as a security blanket as a true freshman and his production going way down in the 2nd half vs Bama when Wims went out? Understandable. Fromm’s production being tied so much to one WR as a junior? Not great.

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              • Derek

                It’s up to him to develop himself.

                Did Bobo get everything he could have out of Stafford? No.

                How about Greene? Different answer.

                Fromm is a streaky passer that’s relies on rhythm and confidence. I think it’s in his head that Trevor and Fields are lighting it up elsewhere. I know that’s speculation, but it’s a concern to me that he’s trying too hard.

                It’s like golf. You grip it to hard and try to aim too much and the ball goes in the woods most of the time.

                Sometimes you can care too much about results and what people are saying. Or what you think they are saying.

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              • Gurkha Dawg

                Honestly, I was shocked at Fromm’s play this year. If you have read my previous comments, you know that I’m about as big of a Fromm fanboy as you’ll find. If he does not have some nagging injury, the the QB coaching must be at fault. WR play has been down, but Fromm has been missing open guys all year. Hope things get fixed before 2020.

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                • Russ

                  This is my issue. Fromm shouldn’t be allowed to fixate on one receiver to the near exclusion of others. I would think the coach would drill them all the same, and Fromm would also. Pickens, Blaylock, Robertson are all talented receivers. I think Simmons could be, too. Give them routes that help them get open. Every team runs some sort of rub/pick play but I don’t ever recall us doing so. We seem to run patterns independent of each other.

                  While injuries and departures hurt, we have enough talent to be much better than we were.

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    • Kirby’s staff will have a defensive plan going into a particular game…”improvise, adapt and overcome” happens at some point, usually second half…offense, not so much the ability/capability to read and react..exception being the “HUNH”…(about the 3rd week till week 15, dropped passes and bad route running/adjustments hurt the O side of the plan)… Jan. 1st might give DawgNation a little taste

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  4. Go ahead and cut Coley loose now, before the bowl game.
    While there may well be several mitigating factors for why our offense went in the shitter this year, play calling certainly has to be #1 on the list.
    They stupidly let Bobo get snapped up by a division rival, but there are good OC’s available and there will probably be a few more before the bowl season is done.
    Chip Long is now available. If he averaged 37 a game at ND, imagine what he could do with the talent we have now. We already have some more committed for this class, and could pick up a couple more.
    Hankton needs to go too…he had a fall camp and a whole season to teach our WR’s how to run routes and get off of man coverage to provide Fromm with viable targets…Hankton failed miserably IMHO.

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    • Coley’s been out recruiting. He’s not going anywhere.

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      • Kalamazoodawg

        Agreed. If you marry Seth’s and Staples’ comments, apparently Muschamp was able to offer Bobo something Kirby wouldn’t – OC/play calling. Coley is your OC.

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        • PansyTheDawg

          Not to disrespect your comment, but there’s no way Kirby would offer Bobo the OC position without playcaller duties, right? I think that would be hugely disrespectful.

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      • Silver Britches

        And I think this is the fine line that Kirby has created for himself.

        Any reassignment/reshuffling of the offensive staff is going to be tantamount to a demotion of Coley. Kirby values Coley as a recruiter too much to risk driving him off. This is why I’m not optimistic that change will be dramatic.

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      • W Cobb Dawg

        A decent position coach like Rocker was jettisoned because he couldn’t recruit. So I believe Coley’s recruiting chops allows him to remain on staff. But I’ll be very concerned if Kirby sticks with the offensive staff as it is right now.

        If I were Hankton or Hartley, I’d be working my butt off recruiting right now, then doing everything possible to show they can actually scheme and coach. My bet is Hartley is shifted to analyst or jettisoned.

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      • RC

        Not a disqualifier unto itself. It’s what he is currently being paid to do. I wouldn’t expect anything to happen until after signing day, either this one or February’s traditional date. But I would be surprised if Coley is in his current role/position after that time. He might still be here, or he might make a move on his own or with a gentle nudge, but I will be very surprised if he is still calling plays next fall.

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    • Russ

      Yeah, Hankton is also our passing game coordinator. I didn’t even know we had one.

      Passing game, that is.

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    • spur21

      Not completely sold on Coley but his game plans and play calling were not that bad. He tried several different approaches and for the most part they all failed.
      I think the failure can be tied directly to the assistant coaches on the offensive side. If you can’t coach up 4 & 5 Star receivers you might consider another occupation.

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  5. Bill Glennon

    He’ll change because recruiting will degrade if he dosen’t. Recruiting success is more fundamental in Kirby’s football belief structure than his offensive philosophy.

    Personally, I like the way Kirby thinks about football. I would much rather have him err on the side of being physical than finesse. The offense needs to be tweaked, not re-made.

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    • Will (the other one)

      Your first paragraph is my reasoning too (and why if more staff changes happen, Hartley could be the one gone) — look at the top TE prospects who have looked at UGA and gone elsewhere.

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    • Kdawg

      I agree with your assessment. What I was thinking versus LSU is we haven’t been the more physical team in a lot of games. LSU was much more physical to my eyes. Man ball without physicality isn’t really a recipe for success.

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    • Greg

      Good points, hope you are right.

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  6. Mad Mike

    Manball cannot fail, it can only be failed.

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  7. illinidawg

    Is this real (from ESPN)? “Storyline to watch: Wide receiver Lawrence Cager needs to be healthy for this offense to have a chance. The former Miami transfer is clearly quarterback Jake Fromm’s favorite target — and by far his most reliable — working the back-shoulder pass over and over again.”

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  8. UGA93

    I voted that Kirby will learn a lesson from the game, but this Jeff Sentell piece makes a strong case that there was a significant talent gap at receiver between LSU and us – even when Pickens and Blaylock were on the field. So, I think the answer is a bit of both. We clearly need to recruit significantly better at the position than we have in the first few years under Kirby to be close to the same level of explosiveness as LSU, Clemson, Oklahoma and Ohio State – at least as much as we need some schematic adjustments. I am confident that Kirby is on the mother, at least when it comes to the former. As for the latter, I guess we’ll see. I’m hopeful, but concerned. https://www.dawgnation.com/football/recruiting/georgia-football-the-big-recruiting-question-from-the-27-point-loss-to-lsu

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    • Will (the other one)

      More bigger WRs who can catch and get separation would be nice. LSU had that in Jefferson and Chase. The Dawgs had Pickens in the second half and that was it. Blaylock, Robertson, and Jackson are all potentially very good, but they’re in the classic slot WR mold.

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  9. Reverend Whitewall

    If you’d had a third option that said “tweak” the offense, that’s the one I would have picked. I expect him to make some changes but I don’t expect a wholesale change like LSU. I’m thinking more “tweak” than “change”.

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  10. Paul

    I’m glad to know he at least attempted to bring Bobo on board. Which leads me to wonder why Mike prefers to move to Columbia and work for Boom. Are they simply better friends? Maybe he thought he’d already spent enough time in Athens?

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    • Bulldog Joe

      He was offered full offensive coordinator responsibilities, quarterbacks, and an offensive staff (Thomas Brown, Bryan McClendon) he already knows well.

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    • 2675miller

      Maybe he wanted to let the opportunity at UGA ripen. Sort of like Kirby declining the DC Job with Richt. If he comes to UGA as a position coach and the offense improves then everything stays as is. If UGA’s offense struggles next season and it in all likelihood will then there will be an opening for an OC with a lot of control at UGA next year at this time.

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  11. Skeptic Dawg

    I do not expect to see a change in the offensive philosophy next season. Kirby’s football belief system and foundation is built upon playing strong defense and ensuring the offense does no harm. Due to this viewpoint, Smart is incapable of using the offense as a weapon to help the remaining 2/3’s of the team. He believes that the offense can, and eventually will, only do irrevocable and life threatening harm to his defense. We as fans will endure an ugly, dysfunctional offense yet again in 2020, and well into the future until Kirby alters his core beliefs, which I grant would be extremely hard for anyone. Two things will have to happen before Kirby sees the light…
    1). A drastic decline in recruiting on both sides of the ball
    2). Being passed by another SEC East team

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  12. more spinners

    There is an old saying, “you don’t see what you think you are seeing, and you don’t hear what you think you are hearing.”
    Not sure how M-W defines “stubborn”, but it sure has been used a lot on “kirby”. Just wonder what some of the staff thinks, along with a few seniors on the roster, or for a sure moment, his SO.
    Sometimes he comes across as arrogant.
    There are a few reasons I do not listen to coaches speak too much [along with all POTUS and Congress members], beacuse in the end you generally have those “WTF” did he or she say or they.
    The litmus test for the O. The old “eye” test. We think the record and the numbers speak for themselves. Frankly, it has been most difficult to watch the O at times this season, In the back of your mind, is hurry the hell up, go 3 and out, so I can watch the D. They know what the hell they are doing.
    In the end I reconciled it all. I thought they would drop to UF, Texas A&M, and Auburn.
    Always subscribed to “defense can win games, but the offense wins the big championships”.
    Sugar Bowl? My gut tells me, the Dawgs are going to enjoy bear meat, and bring back a bare bone.

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  13. Biggus Rickus

    Georgia is doomed! Doooomed! He’ll try to address it in the offseason. It will or won’t work. He’ll keep winning or he won’t. I can’t believe people are e-mailing college football writers about this.

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  14. Gurkha Dawg

    Why the hell would Bobo chose SC over UGA? The only thing I can think of is Boom offered total control over the offense and Kirby would not. If that’s the case, Kirby has no intention of making significant changes in the offense.

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    • Bright Idea

      Bobo knew in October he would be fired and Boom knew he might be. They both obviously made this arrangement the minute Boom was told he would return, if not before, so Kirby probably never had a shot even if Bobo wanted to come back. We are assuming that he did.

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    • James Stephenson

      I do not want UGA to lose to SC again, but I would love to see Bobo light it up against us. Bobo is a DGD who got a bum rap in my eyes with fans. And oh boy it will be fun to watch Bobo vs Grantham again.

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  15. chopdawg

    Entire season was summed up by 1st play of LSU game. Open receiver has the ball in his hands for a big gain but drops it.

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  16. Kirbt will make a change. I mean, I seriously doubt he wants to be embarrassed by Coach Gumbo again. I mean, who here thinks that guy’s IQ is above 100? Saban probably will need to see a psychiatrist after losing to that dumbass.

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    • Mayor

      I myself am going to have to see a psychiatrist after we lost to that dumbass.

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      • mwo

        Do you expect LSU to continue having the success they had this year? To me,LSU is just like they have always been, except they have a great QB. Their defense is not as good as they have been historically. I will believe Orgeron is a good coach when they have repeated this season’s success a couple of times.

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  17. Leggo5

    The biggest nugget from this is that Andy Staples is stating that Kirby tried to land Bobo and failed. I’ve been following the coaching roundtable pretty closely and had not heard that stated as fact. Obviously, there was fan speculation that we may try to get him and the flight tracker listed a flight from Athens to Fort Collins that was changed, but do we really know that Bobo was pursued and UGA was spurned?

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    • Biggus Rickus

      No, but I could see it if Smart only offered him co-OC or something. There’s no indication that Smart had any intention of removing Coley. It’s all just speculation and rumor, though.

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      • The other Doug

        Behind the scenes Kirby values Coley enough that he isn’t willing to risk Coley leaving. The fans might hate Coley, but there is something there that Kirby values.

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        • dawgman3000

          That something that Kirby values is recruiting. If you’re good at coaching up your position group but you’re not recruiting, then you get the ax. See one Tracy Rocker.

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  18. Will (the other one)

    If there’s actually a presser where they say “we’re just going to execute better” or something to that effect, it’ll be interesting what happens to G-Day attendance.

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  19. 92 Grad

    Honestly, what has me most concerned about the whole situation is that there is a problem teaching the players how to do their jobs. I dont really care about scheme, philosophy, or who the OC is. I really do care that the players perform to their potential. The somewhat systemic problem from my view, which admittedly is far away from realistic ability to evaluate with any kind of validity, is that the players aren’t getting coached to their potential.

    I dont mind the conservative and slow pace, emphasis on time of possession, or lack of explosiveness. The offense just didnt look crisp and the players had confidence issues.

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  20. willypmd

    I’m pretty sure the two losses were both games where we threw the ball the most all year. Maybe the man-ball narrative isn’t as explanatory as we all think it is?

    It seems to me that there are multiple reasons for our offensive regression. Early it was play calling and youth at WR, middle games it was play calling and OL/WR injury, later on it was injury to skill positions and Fromm’s blatant regression as well as some lack of creativity in passing game design. I thought Coley got better as the year went on especially the run game, but even with the downfield passing game as well. I’m left with Injuries and last years WR/TE exodus catching up to us as the primary problem with a bit of new OC/ Fromm regression sprinkled in for flavor.

    Take away LSU’s top 3 WR and their best RB and I’m not sure they score more than 20 on us despite Burrows looking like a heisman winner. Ditto for Ohio State, Clemson, Bama for that matter.

    LSU’s WR’s came down with a lot of 50/50 balls, ours did not. That’s your ball game.

    It took Saban and Dabo a decade of coaching to win a NC, Kirby still has several years of goodwill from me.

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  21. PansyTheDawg

    Fire Smart. Offer Belichick 20M a year. Kick back and relax.

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  22. Mayor

    Gasp!! Kirbs tried to bring Bobo back to Athens and Bobo TURNED HIM DOWN? WTF???

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  23. UGA '97

    sorry, but this surbey question “Lessons learned from SEC Champ Game” could be better represented by “Lessons Learned From Entire Seasons Body of Work” When we went into the toughest stretch of the season, we noticed our WRs & QB and Total Offense tanked. This is a Kirby & Coley problem.

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  24. Matt

    I think the Cager example is instructive. Clearly a single, veteran WR (even one without years of rapport with Fromm) made a demonstrable difference. One wonders what this team would have looked like with both Cager and Holloman? I imagine we would be looking at an offense much closer to 2017/2018 than what we ended up with.

    Now having said that, our 2017 or 2018 offense would only be good for something like 15th-25th in the country this year and we should be angling for #1. The gap there is largely schematic.

    So perhaps it’s that simple. Jimmies and Joes with some experience will get us back to the level of offensive competency we have grown accustomed to, but if we want to take that next step there is going to have to be some innovation.

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    • Mayor

      Sooo…we lost The SECCG at-least in part because Kirbs kicked our best receiver off the team. FWIW I agree with you. So Georgia Way.

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      • Corch Irvin Meyers New USC Trojans Corch (2020)

        Our beat receiver assaulted his girlfriend and lied to Kirby about for an entire year.

        If Kirby didn’t kick him off the team, Kirby would have a lot of ’splainin’ to do. To most people. I’m sure not you.

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      • Matt

        To be clear, my comment was not suggesting we should have kept Holloman on the team. Just to point out that it was bigger loss than I think anyone realized at the time.

        I’m less confident about the SECCG, but SCAR? Probably makes the difference.

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      • playmakers in space

        You have had multiple people tell you multiple times the reasons why Holloman was kicked off the team. You are a broken record.

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  25. Russ

    Man, as much as I want to believe he will change, I’m in the “show me” camp. I voted no and really hope I’m wrong.

    Everything about Kirby’s demeanor tells me he is a stubborn man. That can be good but at some point you need self awareness to make necessary changes. He did throw more late in the season so maybe he realized the need to change. I do believe he’s disappointed in the offense, but don’t believe yet that he views the offense as a weapon.

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  26. JasonC

    “George” is pretty busy these days.

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  27. Faltering Memory

    CKS needs to listen to Davin Bellamy, “humble yourself.”

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  28. The other Doug

    Tell me I’m crazy….

    What if Kirby isn’t married to Man Ball, but instead it’s what he thinks our current personnel is best at? Strong RBs and OL, but a QB that struggles to throw the ball or run limits the ability to be a wide open offense.

    Kirby inherited Eason and flipped Fromm when he first arrived in Athens. Both made sense because we didn’t have any decent QBs. Since then he has recruited mostly dual threat type QBs.

    This would explain why we have a terrible offense, and it’s terrible, but he isn’t willing to dump Coley to make Bobo OC. Behind scenes after breaking the film down and coaching ’em up this is all the QB is capable of.

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  29. WNCDawg

    Good Luck Coach Pittman, heck of a recruiter…….
    CKS keeps OC Coley can he is a better than average recruiter.
    CKS hires OL Luke who is a better than average recruiter, well liked by his players.
    Coach Pittman states “ I thought I knew a lot about recruiting till I came to Georgia and met CKS which is like recruiting on steroids.”
    The SECCG was a horrible bust for recruiting. Pittman leaving puts all OL in a shell that we’ll have to wait and see what happens in the Sugar Bowl.
    The media, UGA fans and the offense has painted a bleak picture for recruiting. The best selling card on the road before the 18th. is come to UGA where you can play right away.
    Beal already in portal. We will see who sits out the bowl game. I know the kids have said they’d play or at least last year they did and then they didn’t. Can’t blame them…. but some made very poor decisions on going to the NFL. Now was that of their prospective draft grades or just hushed out the door to open another avenue for recruiting. If so it didn’t work out. If you were a top 5* TE would you wanna be at UGA looking at the production of the last 3-4 years. If your a 5* WR and hear almost every post game that UGA’s WR’s are not playing because they have not learned to block well. Would you come to UGA.
    Just sayin’ Christmas may not come early on the 18th of December. I think there were 15 committed; that now be down to 10. The class was supposed to have 22-23 and with Beal leaving maybe 24.
    CKS better be dynamic on his copter and jet rides if he keeps up with the Top Three.

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    • willypmd

      You honestly believe Kirby is going to sign a marginal class?

      I’ll worry about UGA recruiting after the dust settles. If I remember correctly we still have the highest stars per recruit of any team…

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  30. Right now my answer is NO. He seems hell bent on carrying on the old Saban mindset that it’s always the fault of the players. Big difference is that Kirby still doesn’t have any rings to keep elite talent bought in. I’m also of the old school mindset that everything begins and ends with coaching, no matter wth Kirby says.

    I believe in his defensive coaching and recruiting prowess but the total package/HC thing remains to be seen. The offense isn’t at a championship level, imo. It’s missing execution and maybe some player pieces and it all starts with coaching.

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  31. FlyingPeakDawg

    Have to check the tape, but I’m pretty sure everyone, including the proprietor of GTP, pointed-out that WR was our weakest area at the beginning of the season. Many felt that the sheer number and focus on RBU would diminish that problem (hand raised)…but we were wrong.

    So going into next season what position is sizing up to be the weakest? I say QB…is Mathis the next one up? Does Stetson earn it? Does Fromm stay, and if so, does he improve? Bottom-line…we don’t have that difference making star at any offensive skill position. That’s not a formula that is proven to get into the CFP.

    Weirdly, Kirby may be behind the curve most on the recruiting front.

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  32. I answered with “no” earlier but I should follow that up with I believe that Smart has to have his convictions and it IS Coley’s first year as our OC. I think my biggest concern is that the offense isn’t better next year and that the program does lose momentum and that it does negatively affect recruiting. I do believe college football is unique in that recruiting and momentum are everything.

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  33. 86BONE

    As far as the Bobo hire goes, according to a most reliable source in Athens, when I asked directly how Mike could wind up at Usuck, the answer was “Prior UGA Administration challenges”.

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  34. On Coley “not going anywhere”

    Behold FSU’s SP offense ranking during Coley’s tenure as OC:

    2010: #26
    2011: #39
    2012: #13 (Jimbo Fisher listed as co-OC this year)

    Coley was fired after ’12 and Jimbo called the offense the following year (and won a natty):

    2013: #3

    Now, behold Miami’s SP offense ranking during Coley’s tenure as OC:

    2013: #15
    2014: #32
    2015: #37

    I’m not finding the S&P offense ranking for 2019 Georgia anywhere….

    But for 2018 we were #3…….

    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaaoff/2018

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    • Biggus Rickus

      It seems like something else may have happened in 20133 with FSU. I can’t quite recall….Oh right. Jameis Fucking Winston became the starting QB. The vastly improved coordination must have kept things going after he left, though, right? Let me just…oh, FSU was 21st in 2015.

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  35. Georgia’s recent S&P offense ranking history (head coach/OC), (Record):

    2009: #27 (Richt/Bobo), (8-5)
    2010: #9 (Richt/Bobo), (6-7)
    2011: #34 (Richt/Bobo), (10-4)
    2012: #5 (Richt/Bobo), (12-2)
    2013: #8 (Richt/Bobo), (8-5)
    2014: #6 (Richt/Bobo), (10-3)
    2015: #70 (Richt/Schottenheimer), (10-3)
    2016: #74 (Smart/Chaney), (8-5)
    2017: #7 (Smart/Chaney), (13-2)
    2018: #3 (Smart/Chaney), (11-3)
    2019: #?? (Smart/Coley), ?

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    • Biggus Rickus

      2018 was Chaney and Coley. I know why everyone prefers to ignore that, but it actually happened. He was coaching Fromm for a whole year and Fromm was pretty good. It’s possible he’s a problem. It’s also possible a lot of personnel limitations nobody fully anticipated killed the offense.

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  36. Ceph

    The best thing that could have happened, happened. BoBo didn’t come to.ga. CSU’s offense sucked. I think BoBo.is stuck in a time warp just.like Kirby and Muschamp. Frankly I don’t see Kirby changing and BoBo doesn’t have the b___s to go on his on. Would not and will not change!

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  37. NoAxe

    How many does Smart have remaining on his contract?

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  38. NoAxe

    years, that is

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  39. I really really really hope Coach Luke is able to actually perform his associate head coach title. I definitely want him to be a good OL coach and recruiter but maybe more, I want him to have a voice about our offensive philosophy. This makes me wonder how much input Pittman actually had.

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  40. UGA '97

    yea, sure coley’s not going anywhere. Coaches never sign recruits on NSD, then surprisingly just happen to get an offer elsewhere AFTERWARDS.

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  41. Mayor

    Kirby’s already publicly denied there is a problem on O and asserted it was all execution. He also said Georgia was running the same plays that LSU was running. I heard it with my own ears. The guy is in denial.

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