Good luck, Jake. You’ve certainly earned it.
Next season just got a helluva lot more intriguing.
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UPDATE: And while we’re on the subject of departures,
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UPDATE #2: Is this good enough to support a transfer waiver request?
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Well, fuck.
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Fuckity fuck fuck.
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I think this means, more than anything else, that Kirby Smart is 100% all-in on his fucking manball offense and is stubbornly refusing to make any real change in offensive scheme for 2020.
Jake would come back if there were changes that could help improve his stock. So, given that it’s the same terrible QB Coach and OC in charge of his worst year as a starter, why would he come back?
My hope for the 2020 season just went up in smoke. We could still beat the turds and win the East, but we fired Mark Richt and hired Kirby Smart to be more than this. We hired him to win national titles and not be so fucking stubborn that he puts us behind the 8-ball every time we step on the field. We hired Kirby Smart to be Nick Saban, and we got Les Miles instead.
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LOL you are really reaching with this. You have absolutely zero clue what went into Jake’s thought process but okay.
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It’s called deductive reasoning. Jake Fromm just had his worst year yet with James Coley both as his QB coach and OC. His draft grade certainly slipped into the second, but more likely the third round of the NFL Draft. That’s millions of dollars lost compared to where he was in the beginning of the year.
He met with Kirby on Monday night. After that meeting, Jake Fromm decides that it is better to leave Georgia now and enter the NFL Draft where he will no longer be a first round draft pick, than to come back and try to improve his draft stock.
Why would Jake Fromm make that decision and leave millions of dollars on the table? Because Kirby informed him Monday night that nothing is changing with the offense, and it will continue to be his manball offense run by Coley. Meaning there’s little to no chance for Jake Fromm to improve his draft stock, meaning he’s more likely to lose even more in the eyes of the NFL if he stays another year.
Deductive reasoning. It means using that thing between your ears to make logical inferences based on the information at hand.
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No it’s called making up a narrative to fit your displeasure with the coach. And you know for sure Jake won’t be drafted in the first or possibly second round.
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You keep thinking, Butch. That’s what you’re good at.
Don’t come crying to us when we get pasted in Tuscaloosa running the ball up the middle and never throwing to the middle of the field, over and over and over again.
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Who is Butch?
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Awesome Western reference, boomers!
That three second clip really smooths out your cognitive dissonance and disjointed logic.
Anyway, carry on with your anxiety party!
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Nobody is projecting Fromm as a first round pick. The consensus opinion is that he’s 2nd or 3rd round right now.
A great year next year might move him up to a first round pick. But his arm strength and his running ability aren’t going to improve. So the question is whether his accuracy and downfield throwing will improve.
Given that Cager is gone and both starting offensive tackles are gone, that’s a tall order. So Fromm basically is what he is. The NFL has three years of film to look at. He doesn’t really need to come back.
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Even if he came back, he’s still basically in the same position with Lawrence and Fields as the two top dogs next year. At best – he’s the 3rd QB in the draft this year or next. There’s like six teams this year that could draft a QB in the 1st round. If you’re going to be drafted late 1st – early 3rd round either way, may as well get the clock started on that 2nd contract.
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Jake Fromm will likely never have a second contract.
Aaron Murray was vastly superior to Fromm and he never got a second contract.
I would love to be wrong, and there is a chance of course. But based on what we saw, he probably gets his rookie payday and that’s it.
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Aaron Murray fucking sucks. He was a shrimp too.
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Here’s an alternate hypothesis, he saw Tua break an effing hip and figured “you know, I could get hurt and lose out on a whole heck of a lot of money.”
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This narrative makes no sense. For one, Kirby knows what Fromm wants to hear and only has to keep him for two more weeks. Kirby would say what’s necessary to say, and Fromm wouldn’t let himself get boxed in with promises that can’t be kept until the fall. You must think they are idiot negotiators incapable of understanding the situation.
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No, while Kirby is a stubborn son of a bitch who will wind up exactly like Les Miles without a title, I do think he’s not a liar. He told Jake the truth: they’re not changing anything about the offense. Jake hears that and then makes the choice that makes the most sense for him, which is to leave. If Georgia were opening up the offense, giving him a chance to cement himself as a first round draft pick and make millions more, he stays. It’s that simple.
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Who said anything about lying?
Jake’s not dumb. Whatever he might have asked for, he would get some version of “we’ll install it and give you the chance to run it. We want to get faster, and we want you to show what you can do.” What commitment could Kirby have made that would have constituted “changing the offense” while also guaranteeing Fromm a high draft spot in this new offense?
“Unpaid intern interviews for high paying job” is usually a solid explanation, says my friend Occam
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Or, the NFL folks told him that he will be the same height in April 2021 as he is now, have the same foot speed as he has now and the same arm strength as he has now. They may have told him that his likely draft slot next year is the same as this year. The difference for Fromm may be that he forfeits 1 year of NFL income by staying in school.
That is a possibility, too.
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Correct!
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Are you saying Les Miles didn’t have a title or that Kirby would end up being like him, except without winning one? The sentence is vague. Also, I don’t see Kirby, who focuses on fixing what’s broke with extreme measure, not changing the offense to be more dynamic. And I’m not really sure this year had as much to do with bad offensive philosophy as it did poor execution and lack of trust by the players. Which in turn propagated a conservative man ball theme. I thought it was mainly due to Fromm not being able to trust and be on the same page with more than one or two guys and execute the play called. And when the main guy was hurt or out completely, the offense sputtered. That’s more to do with lack of chemistry between Fromm and the available rec corps. With Cager in plus 70% with him out around 50% completion rate. That tells me all I need to know about the problems and the recent signing class tells me they are at work getting the dudes to step in and turn it around. I don’t recall UGA getting this much talent at receiver in such a short time EVER. Nobody complained about the offense the past two years and I don’t believe Kirby or Coley changed what this team wanted to do offensively in any major way. They just realized they were handicapped with playmaking ability at receiver once Cager was banged up. I also never was overly impressed with the OL this year. Did any of them grade out like the past couple of years OL? Maybe they did but it sure didn’t seem that way.
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Reading between the lines of Seth’s tweet, I’d say the meeting didn’t have much of an impact on Fromm. Decision was already made.
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But one flaw in your deductive reasoning is that both 20′ and 21′ draft classes have guys that nobody in their right mind think Fromm will ever supplant. So come back to be 3rd at best (behind fields and Lawrence) ? That’s probably 75% of the factor.
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It’s called you are a shit eatin dog fucker.
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It appears your eloquence knows no bounds. Shouldn’t you be fishing?
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I seem to remember that the Senator requested last month that we refrain from personal, ad hominem attacks. It seems as if you didn’t get the memo, Illini84, It’d be a shame if you got banned because of it.
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This is what he does. There’s another guy coming along shortly that will pile on. I won’t say the name but you’ll know when he gets here.
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Shit, fuck both of you assholes and the TN jerk off.
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Emo much?
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Better call your mommy and tell her someone is being mean to you.
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I disagree a lot of times with you but I think you have put the hammer on the nail.
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For once, we agree
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It could also be that Fromm knows he can improve his draft stock this year through the combines. There’s nothing left to gain staying at UGA, especially with the OL attrition and one proven receiver coming back.
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And the same crap scheme run by the same crap coaches.
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Hey Corch, it’s 2020 already! When will Irvin Meyers be announced as USC’s New Corch?
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Yeah I’m definitely more confused on Cade Mays. Makes no sense.
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Agree that Cade leaving is a head scratcher. It sure can’t be lack of playing time/opportunities. Maybe it’s one of those family things. I hope it works out for him. And good luck to Jake. I will never say a bad word about him.
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Cade is basically a lock to be a first round guy in 12 months. He either wants to play with Pittman, or his brother at UT. Neither are good options for him, and there must be other circumstances that make him want to depart. Remember last week when we all were praising Matt Luke?
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He’s got ti sit for a year of he goes.
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Unless he claims he was called a cracker or honkie by a fan one day. Then he plays immediately, right?
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I believe the trauma of having to watch his daddy sever a finger getting out of a folding chair at a UGA event may qualify. The Psychological horror of witnessing something like that; how could one return to Athens or the university? How could one ever hope to call Georgia his alma mater after the university so swiftly (no pun intended) took the Paterfamilias’s finger? The NCAA has probably already heard from not only Cade’s attorney but also his therapist. How could you not let this boy start up there for the Hillbillies? Let him don the Orange and heal with his brother. Is not the right thing to do? Fuck the Vols.
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Isn’t “Hillbilly” the proper pejorative in this case???
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Yes. I was implying that it doesn’t make sense for him to leave, and that his potential reasons aren’t reasonable. (Unless there is some other reason we dont know about)
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In a word, Pittman. Probably the biggest reason. When you lose 3 other guys early to the pro’s that play beside you, It makes a decision to leave easier. Obviously second guessing his decision to come here instead of going to UT where his brother is and where his father played. I belive those things outweighed his desire to stay.
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We sure are loosing a ton of offensive players. They’re jumping off the ship as fast as they can. Conversely, the defensive guys seem to be more willing to stick around.
We certainly know which players believe in Kirby’s philosophy.
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I see the rash of early departures on offense as a quiet vote of no confidence in Kirby’s offense. Clearly no one is in a hurry to leave the defense.
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I don’t know. Thomas and Swift are likely first rounders. They would/should leave regardless. Fromm is unlikely to be helped returning for another year. His biggest knocks are arm strength, speed/athleticism/ and accuracy. The first two aren’t changing. The third could, but he’s losing his tackles and his favorite receiver. And he might have a new coordinator again. Kindley and Wilson are second or third rounders. And they’ve lost Pittman. Maybe Luke is great. But Pittman is greater. So why not go?
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Good luck, Jake.
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for the discussion between Kirby and Jake.
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*Discussion between Kirby Smart and Jake Fromm:
I’m not changing a damn thing, Jake.
It’s been a great three years, coach. Thanks and good luck.
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Can’t believe no one’s gone with the “Forget it Jake, its Dawgtown” line, yet….
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I already made what I thought was a good movie reference above that only Napoleon Bonerfart understood, so I didn’t want to press my luck with this crowd of movie buffs any further. Hah!
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The players must really hate James Coley.
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I know I hate his offense!
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Starting QB and 4 offensive linemen. Ouch.
Over/under on the number of pass attempts Kirby allows in Tuscaloosa next September?
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Well 4 out of 5 left to MAKE MONEY for their efforts. It has little to do with “manball or hating Coley”
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Yeah this whole dramatic “players are jumping ship cus of Coley!!454@!!!” nonsense is comical at best. Alabama players are also leaving left and right, as are LSU players, so it would be safe to assume that it is because they hate their coaches too, right??
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Not sure I can even track your thought process. 1 player making a decision to leave because he is smarter that his coach (his coaches words mind you) and because his coach is not going to get him the eye popping stats he would need to improve his draft position. ***Also, see Aaron Murray for reasons not to come back your senior year.
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I think you’re replying to Corch.
I am pointing out what a new QB behind a new line playing in Tuscaloosa week 3 is going to look like. A strategic decision a lot of coaches would make.
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And Ben Cleveland is draft eligible, too.
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But will he even be academically eligible should he choose come back?
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Well, see, I was trying to put it in a way that doesn’t embarrass the guy, but yeah. If you’re not good at school, what would you do?
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AND the starting tailback
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Don’t forget Swift.
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So maybe Justin Fields can transfer back and not have to sit out a year.
Just askin”, lol.
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Jesus Tapdancing Christ, you’re peddling your cancer here, too?
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LMAO
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Someone convince Eason he needs to put more tape together for the scouts.
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Yikes. Get on a plane to Houston and bring D’Eriq King back with you.
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That would be a recruiting violation. He’s not in the portal.
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He’s not in the portal, but he’s definitely transferring. If there’s interest, he’d be in the portal before Kirby landed if he “found out” he was on his way. I can guarantee you Kirby already knows whether there is interest now that Fromm’s gone, or he’ll be finding out very shortly. He’s head and shoulders above the rest of the kids who are transferring, and I’d be very surprised if Kirby doesn’t try to lock him down before LSU turns their attention to the QB position for 2020.
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If Bruce Feldman is to be believed, we’re on the guy from Wake and another from BC already.
Sort of surprised Costello (sp?) from Stanford isn’t popping up, too. I man, if we’re wedded to manball.
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We can’t publicly be on a guy who isn’t in the portal, and those two are the best available we can publicly recruit. I like the Wake guy if we can’t get King.
As for Costello, I don’t know that we’ve seriously recruited a statue since Fromm. Every guy we’ve gone after since Fromm has at least been pretty mobile, if not dual threat. See my post below: I’m strongly of the opinion that “manball” is a myth. See 2017 and 2018 offenses for reference. They were objectively prolific. Why Coley is still our OC? I can’t explain that. But the whole “Kirby’s philosophy is allergic to points” thing is beyond me. It
makes no sense. Which is why I’m not surprised he keeps recruiting dual threat guys.
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That’s great for Fromm. He has been nothing but wonderful for UGA and wish him nothing but the best.
I dont think that this is an indictment of the coaches, but Smart will certainly earn his money this off season.
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He’s got a superb track record of roster management, especially when it comes to plugging roster holes in the off season. I’m not all that worried, but I’d be a lot less worried if Fromm were coming back.
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Our offense last year had less pieces to plug than we do this year. A proven O line, a proven RB, and a proven QB. Now we have unproven RBs, unproven OL, unproven QB??? and still not a totally proven WR corps — and a OC that showed severe regression tendencies. I believe in smart but I trust his ability to make up in roster management on the offensive side a lot less going into next season as I did this season.
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Well, thank God all those defensive players are returning. Unless there’s a total change of philosophy on offense (which seems unlikely, and honestly, probably unwise at this point), our defense is going to have to win a few games on its own, and at least keep us in several others.
And with all that OL talent leaving, I sure hope we’re bringing in a transfer QB who’s mobile as all hell. Judging by online rumblings, the cream of the crop seems to be D’Eriq King out of Houston, but I don’t think he’s even entered the portal yet. Seems more likely that we end up with Newman — who just seems … okay.
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If we score, we may win, if they never score, we’ll never lose. 🙂
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With all the offensive players that are leaving, it seems to me this would be a good time if you want to change the offense if that is what you plan to do. If you got to rebuild the offense anyway, now is the time to install the changes.
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Y’all act like this isn’t what happens when you recruit a roster of 85% blue chips. This is the new normal. Some silliness up in here.
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They all make sense from a personal and professional standpoint OTHER than Mays. Like others have said, maybe he wants to play with his brother, then it make sense. He was going to be one of the main ones counted on to stabilize the line with all of it’s turn over. Will he have to sit a year? Did someone call him a hillbilly so he can play next year?
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But seriously, Mays isn’t replaceable? Jeez. He’s a guard.
I concur, AuditDawg, the world ending over good players leaving kinda surprises me.
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With Fromm & 4 of 5 OL now gone, Kirby Smart has just been given the gift of 8 straight months of “can’t get no respect” with which to hammer the kids on campus, ahead of the 2020 season.
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If you thought this season was bad, wait until we start four new lineman, tailback, quarterback, kicker, and tight end next season.
Oh, and we travel to Tuscaloosa. You can go ahead and mark that down as an L.
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Alabama is losing more than us to the NFL. Five of their players projected as first rounders. Five more are projected second or third rounds. So we might just have a chance.
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Thanks for the info. I was going to do the research but was too lazy.
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WE’RE NOT ALABAMA.
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I know. Georgia won one more game this year.
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aaaaaaaand Saban still hasn’t lost to an unranked opponent since 2007.
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Run for the chicken house like a scared little girl. But don’t try to talk the rest of us into joining you.
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Give em righteous hell, Mike!
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ESPN had a mock draft the other day with SEVEN Alabama players going in the first round. Smith and Leatherwood may have been two, I can’t remember, but still, Amazing.
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Leatherwood is staying.
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I don’t know, man. Tua’s a bigger loss than Fromm. That receiving corps is gone. We’re bringing back nearly all the defense.
The game might be a 9-6 final, but I wouldn’t say it’s a for sure L
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He might be a bigger loss than Fromm, but judging from the way the backup played their last few games, he could be equal to Fromm with better receivers. It seems that the Smith kid is coming back for them and the other kid, can’t remember his name, is a big time playmaker. They also have choices at theQB position aside from Jones. Tua’s little brother and the other kid ( Bryant’s grandson, I think) and watching the all star game the other day, the incoming freshman may be better than all of them. The point is, they have choices and we don’t, but should have.
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you seem like a fun person to hang around
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Fuck you pussy
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I agree with those who blame the offensive philosophy and coaching (or lack thereof). Stay and waste talent, or go pro and take your shot.
Any real shot at a natty next season just got torpedoed. We might have the greatest D in history. But that slog offense ain’t gonna cut it in today’s game.
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If the D is good enough, the O will come. At least that’s what she says.
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Man some of you Negative Nellie’s need to – take a deep breath – and remember it’s college football not life or death.
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Look, our RB, linemen, and QB are NFL-caliber talents and are happy with what they are hearing on where they may fall in the draft order. They’re 1 injury away from no NFL future. Could it be commentary on the coaches? Sure. IMO it probably is more about taking the next step in a revenue-generating career than anything else.
Our WR core next year looks young, but great & they knew they had 1 year at best with Fromm. Kirby likely had a good idea this was coming (unsure on Mays, but Pittman happened) and he’s working on it. Sky’s not falling, just sad to see Mays & Fromm go. DGD both.
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Now I’ll have to figure out how to calculate QBRs before G-Day.
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UGA is in trouble.
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You were saying that before this news hit, Chicken Little.
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With our defense, we’re not in trouble. But with Fromm leaving, it is a good time to change the O. With the kind of athletes we can recruit we should go to a Ohio State type offense. Hell, the OSU plays damn good defense in combination with a wide open offense. It will be hard, but, time to change Kirby.
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Thanks Jake, I said this morning the offensive line per predictions fell short. Injuries and such had everyone playing everywhere. Losing your coaches didn’t help. Sloppy footwork, back foot throws and lack of OL motivation, sacks, proven WR’s and coaching hurt. Not being eligible is a sign of I’am through here. You don’t even go to class you just set in the football facility with a tutor and e-mail your assignments.
I think Coach Luke is a good hire but him being enthusiastic and engaging might have been a bit more get your ass off the ball than Pittmans zone progression scheme. That guys is gonna work our ass off.
Plus kids don’t like competition any more. They’ve been #1 since the 9th grade and don’t understand working my ass off and still 3rd string. They can’t see past the nose on their face. One turned ankle, one torn ACL and your starting.
Personally I am glad of the Evans situation. He is trouble and will be. I hope the rest of the RB’s stay in line cause they all wannab na’ sho’ !
If CKS doesn’t see the need to change the offense the next 2 years schedule will. If not the McGill Society might see the need. Seems the root of money is everyone’s motivation. There is still a great team frame work to establish for 2020 but I hate the portal. If the coach leaves or is fired per Ole’ Miss and Miss. State give the kids a chance. Free Agency ruined MLB and college football is falling into the footsteps of it and NBA ballers. If you really want a portal transfer to come in for one year and take you to the promised land they have bought your soul just like the NFL has. The regular season don’t mean crap. Pick 8 teams and November and play it off. Let the rest of the schools be intramural teams
I know the players should get paid per likeness but how do you equal that out. Really and UGA has a sub standard baseball facility that in the regional didn’t qualify for the teams to dress in. Plus there is what 9-12 baseball scholarships. Some of those spilt into 1/2’s and 1/4’s.
The scoreboard and streaming lights could probably have built a new baseball field. So no things aren’t equal and won’t be and it’s to late to turn back .
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Here’s my thesis:
Pocket QB, game managers are dead in college football. If you can’t turn a bad play into a big play or at least a first down scramble we’re wasting snaps with you. Its great to have a guy as smart and knowledgeable as a Tom Brady but without the relationship with the receivers, it doesn’t work. The work week is too short.
QBs need to be able to move and stretch the field. As crazy as it may sound, Jake may be a better fit in the NFL, which is quickly morphing as stated above but still has a Brady and a Brees for now. We’ll see how long that position is still manned by cerebral but physically limited players.
Other than Fromm Kirby hasn’t recruited one kid who doesn’t present a threat with his feet. The future is in having competition between mobile qbs at georgia. And that starts now.
Btw: i watched some tape of the BC qb. He can play and he fits the bill.
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Except a mobile QB offense is structurally a different animal, isn’t it? Not completely different – there is a ton of foundational overlap between all sorts of offenses – but different enough to be a redesign.
We’ll see how Jake does throwing off a moving platform and running the occasion read moving forward. If he sucks at it, ok. If he’s pretty good, then the 2019 offense left a lot of money on the table.
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We didn’t already see that he sucked at throwing on the move?
That pass that was short to 16 in the sugar bowl was embarrassingly bad.
He’s a rhythm, finesse pocket passer. He can’t beat you with his feet and he can’t scare you by throwing it 60 yards downfield if you move him.
He needs everything to be within 30 yards of the los, up tempo, receivers in lock step with the qb.
He’s too easy to defend if you take the no. 1 guy away. And good teams can take your no. 1 guy away and they can also get hurt.
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I… don’t know. Is Kirby just waking up to this?
He refused to let Fields pass against SEC teams. And we said that was Kirby dealing with Fields’ limitations.
Well, he passes pretty well, in fact.
Now we’re blaming the WRs and Jake for being insufficient to field a competent college level passing game?
Next year the OL?
Coaches put players in position to do what they do best. Our play action and pace numbers this year suggest the offense deliberately stayed away from Jake’s strengths. Why?
Are you arguing the receivers sucked, so we couldn’t run pace or play action, and because we couldn’t run play action, Jake sucked, so now Kirby wants to go mobile?
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Kirby has always wanted to go mobile. Look at who he has offered.
Our receivers did suck. A lot.
Fields was very, very raw. Still is. He wasn’t ready. Not even close.
Would have been malpractice to replace Fromm. We gave fields lots of chances. Look like DJ before he was given the offense.
We’re going to be athletic and green at receiver. Mobile guy either requires a spy or they’re vulnerable. Either way lots more single coverage, much easier reads. Lots less thinking and more running and catching.
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So on offense Kirby strategically optimized around shitty WR and QB play?
Not being snarky, just genuinely baffled.
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Kirby tried hard to keep Fields. Seriously.
Fromm is what he is and Smart and Chaney built an offense around his skill set. It was good enough for 2 play off berths and 3 SEC East Championships, but teams figured it out this year.
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Who said anything approaching that?
I think the base offense we want to run is similar to what OSU runs. Rely on players first. If you happen to have great wrs and a great qb you can get as fancy as you want after that comes together.
The idea being that a qb who can run (by design or necessity) creates opportunities for everyone. A qb who can’t requires everyone to be perfect. Its a 20 hour work week and they’re kids. They won’t be perfect very often.
We want to exploit our size and speed advantages, not our brains. While an asset to be sure, smarts are a cherry on top. The first thing you want to do is make the other team defend the width and length of the field with a defense with lesser athletes than what you have. Then build from there.
Can’t do that with a statue at qb.
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LOL
Heisman finalist and playoff QB but “not even close”
Gotta love it. Some Dawg fans will go to their graves never admitting they were wrong about Fields
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I meant in 2018 not 2019 dick.
No one wanted to see #1 be our qb more than I did.
Just bad timing.
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You said “he was very, very raw. Still is”
I mean, it’s right up there. Preserved.
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He is still raw as a passer. I’ll stand by that.
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Drop the mic. We will be fine at QB with a transfer or the Beck kid looks good. Fromm is an above average QB that needs everything else firing on all cylinders to be great.
It’s all the other losses that scare me.
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I agree. I think a game manager and man ball can work if the QB can spread the ball around and make them defend the whole field. That’s a rare QB.
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Derek, I think you are right about the college QB game and the NFL is not far behind. All the more reason to get on-board with true dual-threat QB prospects. Also, given the inherent heightened injury risk, having two or three QB’s on the roster who can play at a high level will be the future recruiting (and retention) challenge for top programs. Hope Kirby is really on the mother!
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First: congrats and thank you to Fromm.
Second: Damn! The off-season is already reminding me of the offense- it’s hard to put a finger in one thing. Pittman. The portal. Recruiting at a high level. Players now being more willing and ABLE to exercise their options. I think Mays, Kindley and maybe Wilson would have stayed had Pittman not left. I hope this is all more about him and not Luke or our offensive philosophy. It is concerning that we just lost the strength of the offense in both players and coaching. The scary thing is that I can see some of these incoming offensive freshmen transferring if we don’t have a good QB and offense by the end of next season. All those WRs WON’T stick around if we can’t get the ball to them and Kirby is more concerned about their run blocking.
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Dad gets his fucking finger stuck in a chair and sues UGA.. which will lead to immediate eligibility…
I need a crack smoke emoticon
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Apparently this happened at a recruiting event before Mays signed. If an eligibility waiver gets granted for this, give me a break.
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And what if it doesn’t? He’s basically saying “screw you” to Georgia. Nobody can make him play like he love the team now.
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I just want him to have to sit as Luke a Ford did.
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An accident that could have happened anywhere? Oh FFS.
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Everything is going to be fine. But…crack, just in case.
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Let me see if I’ve got this right:
2016: Cleveland 4*
2017: Schafer 3*, Johnson 4* (clearly he’s moving back to O?)
2018: Salyer 5*, Hill 4*, Ericson 4*, Condon 3* (have all 4 played)
2019: Webb 5* (legal stuff pending), Truss 4*, McClendon 4*
2020: Ratledge 4*, Lindberg 4* with Jones 5* and Van Pran 4* committed
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Not looking good.
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Yep, if we close Jones and Van Pran, and keep Big Ben, the OL will be fine. Even worst case, it should be a more than serviceable line. Luke will earn his money, though.
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Plus you forgot a couple of 3* that Luke brought in last minute. We should still have plenty to work with, but it will take some work to get the right combination before we head to Tuscaloosa.
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Well, Luke does have a lot of experience against Bama.
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I get wanting Coley replaced, and that’s another conversation entirely.
But to those who keep saying it’s Kirby’s philosophy that is holding the offense back, how do you explain away the fact that both 2017 and 2018 were top 10 offenses (3rd and 7th in SP+)? I’m especially curious in the context of why Jake Fromm, who was running those offenses brilliantly, would think it’s a Kirby philosophy problem, and leave because of it?
Again, if you think Coley’s the problem and we’d be better off if he were replaced, that’s not what I’m asking about. I get that 100%. I tend to agree with that. The question is this: How do you square the opinion that “Kirby’s stubborn marriage to a philosophy that can’t score points” is the problem, with the inarguable fact that the 2017 and 2018 offenses were objectively prolific? He’s very recently had awesome offenses before, twice, playing “manball,” but you say manball makes awesome offense impossible. Why?
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MGW don’t confuse them with truth and facts.
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Well, ok then. I sure hate to see Jake leave but not entirely surprised. Mays, on the other hand, I am surprised at. Good luck to both! DGDs!
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Kirby has 7 million reasons a year to make sure there isn’t a back-slide next year. I’ll give him a chance to figure it out ….
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Looks like the Mays’ family is suing UGA for the loss of part of pappa Mays’ pinky at an athletic event as well…
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Sorry – looks like I’m late to the party on that info.
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“Next season just got a helluva lot more intriguing.” Intriguing….INTRIGUING…..F**k Senator the Middle East just got a helluva lot more intriguing…. we just lost a QB who never lost to UT, Florida and GT this is a crisis.
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Just saw the AJC article on potential grad transfer QB’s. When I saw Feleipe Franks name on that list I almost lost my lunch. I would rather take my chances with what UGA has now than to bring that douche bag in (not that it is going to happen). Most of the others were pretty intriguing. It is hard to say what their real potential is when they have played for inferior teams (other than Mac Jones). Put a healthy KJ Costello with a good line, a strong running game, and the (potential with all the new guys) of a very deep WR position and he may be pretty damn good. Same for the WF QB.
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No way Costello comes to Athens. I think he’s from the west coast, so I would be very surprised for him to come east. I’m betting he may end up at Washington.
I still don’t get the love for these guys from Wake or BC. I’ll admit I don’t watch ACC football, but I’m having trouble believing one of these guys is the answer.
King isn’t even in the transfer portal, so until he enters, he’s not an option. If he does, I still think he goes to Norman.
Kirby gets paid a lot of money to figure this out. Good luck to him.
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If the question is, “Who can we get as a security blanket to manage games if neither Mathis nor Beck is ready?”, they answer it fine. If the question is, “Who can carry us to a national title?”, then they aren’t the answer…probably.
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Well, who IS going to carry us to the MNC next year? If we’re looking for an experienced QB with talent, these are the best choice. I doubt Kirby will give any of them the job, but he’ll certainly let them earn it over Bennett, Mathis and Beck.
I’ve seen Newman a few times on TV and he’s got talent. And the article states that he wants to learn more pro style rather than just run it around like he apparently did a Wake (though his passing stats last season were essentially the same as Fromm’s). Maybe he meets Kirby in the middle in terms of opening up the RPO a little more, and winging it downfield some more. He’s a big guy, so he may be able to take more punishment.
I think the best case now is Kirby gets one of these transfers to come in, they do well but one of the others on campus catches fire and takes the job. Mathis seems the one best positioned to do so if his health is okay, but I’m for whoever can lead the offense the best. Kirby’s smart to get a grad transfer in here, and let the pieces fall where they may.
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Wait, didn’t Justin Fields want to learn more pro style? How’d that work out?
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Who thought Burrow was the answer?
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Burrow had two years. I mean, yes, it’s theoretically possible. I just wouldn’t bank on it.
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Damn good Dawg. I wish him nothing but the best.
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Y’all know who is not leaving? Hankton and Coley!
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#FML
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Best of luck to Fromm. DGD. I selfishly hate to see him go, but hard to argue otherwise. I hope he gets paid and gets out with his health.
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The Cade Mays lawsuit bid almost unbelievable. Is daddy a hand model or what?
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This all is disturbing. Kids are leaving the program left and right on top of normal attrition. There is something we don’t know at work here.
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I will miss Fromm he was DGD never lost to UF, UT and GT how many others can say that. it’s a new world listen to the kids when they commit. For the next 3/4 years I’ll be at UGA. We are now a stepping stone for elite high school kids.
Before total panic sets in with some I would remind them the last time we started a true freshman QB in a game it worked well enough on offense to get to OT in the NCG. It was not the true freshman OB who lost that game.
I get 27 & 1 were very special are gone and it’s not 2017 easy to catch lighting in a bottle. I do know the same man who lead that team will be back here next year.
I think with all CKS has to work with on defense a just average offense could get a NC. I’ll be happy to live with that possibility at least until spring game QBR happy talk starts.
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Whole new offense with Coley returning. Oh yeah! Now we can have WR that will run the right routes and OL that can block three people at once. Only down side is we’re losing a QB with an impeccable deep ball game and that makes plays with his legs. LMBO!! We’re doomed!! This is all silly. We aren’t changing philosophies or crap coaches so maybe the new players will be magic. A couple of transfers from Hogwarts is what we need. That appears to be where Burrow is from. One player declared and two entered the portal in the time it took me to type this nonsensical post. Go Dawgs!!
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Damn, this is one of the most disappointing days I have had as a Dawg fan. After the Rose Bowl win and coming within a hair of beating Bama in the NC game, I was the most optimistic I have been since 1980. I certainly didn’t think that Fromm’s career at UGA would end like this. I really thought we would have one or two NC’s when Jake finished his career in 2021. I know people say it’s just college football, but damn. It’s like meeting a girl who is just great and after a couple of years of bliss, she dumps you because “she’s grown”. ( She was actually banging one of her professors). Oh well, life goes on.
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Fromm was largely a game manager this year.
A grad transfer or Bennett can toss it around enough and stay away from turnovers.
The Mays transfer is what really hurts though, given the attrition to the NFL draft. Hopefully CKS has managed the roster well.
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Funny. Old man Mays had no problems with that finger removing the power t from his truck. I hope Georgia fights him every step of the way
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You little scamps get together and you’re worse than a sewing circle.
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The truth is no one knows why Jake decided to throw his fourth year out of a window.
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Chill out. None of these players leaving will make a bit of difference. Kirby has already recruited their replacements. Once Fromm was a freshman and got on the field because he could play. Beck is but a taller version. He has the same football smarts and a good arm. It doesn’t matter that he’s a freshman, if he can play. Same deal with Mathis and Stetson. The offense has already started to change. The defense is the key to next year anyway.
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You do realize that Fromm was the 3rd ranked QB in his class and the 44th player nationally whereas Beck is the 8th ranked QB in his class and 204 overall. Don’t think he is a taller version of Fromm.
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To all you folks who are criticizing the commenters discussing the various aspects of Fromm and others leaving early. Y’all do realize that this is the comment section for a UGA football blog don’t you?
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Fuck em if they can’t take a joke.
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9 mile skid on a 10 mile ride
He’s gone…
Thanks Jake and good luck!
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Hot as a pistol but cold inside…
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I wish Jake well and hope he does well enough he replaces Aaron Rodgers in the State Farm commercials.
I posited yesterday that Jake is good, but maybe not….quite….enough?….to get us over the top. Seems you need a Heisman caliber talent. Our offensive pieces just weren’t fitting very well last year…certainly not compared to our D. Maybe this shakes everything up, Kirby gets some objective advice over the summer, and we come out better. I think I like this potential scenario better than if Jake stayed. Pickens, Zeus, McIntosh…hell, maybe even Stetson. He’s as good or better than the QB who last won a NC for us.
Now if it can come true…
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Kirby convinced Jake to leave so he can get 93k to G-Day this year for the recruits in attendance … sorry, I meant to keep up with real time QBR.
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Good luck on almost getting it done Jake. Your legacy at Georgia will low key always be running off Fields/Eason and still not winning a title.
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He won an SEC title.
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K
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