Your 1.15.20 Playpen

No way in hell I’m touching this with a ten-foot pole, but since somebody asked, feel free to provide your screaming hot take in the comments about this topic.  (Ed. note:  The management is in no way responsible for the expected shit show over this.)

Try not to be too obnoxious, okay?

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76 responses to “Your 1.15.20 Playpen

  1. Dawg1

    Stafford
    Murray
    Greene
    Shockley
    Fromm

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  2. Hogbody Spradlin

    I definitely, decisively, an unequivocally think he’s . . . I dunno. And if you disagree with me you’re an idiot!

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  3. Statistically – Murray
    Pure talent – Stafford
    Athletically – Shockley
    Winning – Greene with Fromm close behind
    Smarts – Greene/Fromm or Fromm/Greene
    DGD – Shockley

    Shockley is my favorite because he put the team first and was rewarded for it. Richt handled the Greene/Shockley thing about as well as you could. I love Aaron Murray. If he had the defenses Fromm did, I have no doubt we win a national title while he was here. Greene was Cool Hand Luke and was very underrated. Fromm has a lot of the same characteristics. We’re going to miss him.

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    • SpellDawg

      Agree with all of yours, except I would add “Guts” and give it to Murray. Maybe it was just that he took the most risks, but that kid played with no fear. Well, he was a little shook by Clowney that one year he faced him, but he came back and owned him the next year. Loved watching him play.

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    • Down Island Way

      I’ll take one Shockely shade of Greene with that Stafford over there and a Murray Fromm here….

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  4. TN Dawg

    Stafford
    Murray
    Greene
    Shockley
    Fromm

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  5. Aladawg

    Greene
    Murray
    Shockley
    Stanford
    Fromm

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  6. ElectroM

    Stafford
    Greene
    Murray
    Fromm
    Shockley

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  7. Dovedawg

    Greene
    Murray
    Fromm
    Shockely/Stafford

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  8. JasonC

    This is more based on what they did rather than pure ability.

    Murray
    Stafford
    Greene
    Fromm
    Shockley

    The difference between Greene/Fromm is pretty negligible IMO. Fromm might be a pinch better overall, but Greene was a PAP wizard.

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  9. I would rank Fromm last if going in chronological order.

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  10. sniffer

    Since we have no BCS or CFP Championships in this era, I have to go with the qb who took us furthest. Another way to say it is, who brought us glory. That’s Fromm with a conference championship win, that majestic Rose Bowl win and damn near getting us the elusive National Championship. No one else comes close to that 2017 season.

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    • Greene 2002 was just as good but didn’t have a 4-team playoff.

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      • You could argue the same for Stafford in ’07, which was just a crazy year – No doubt in my mind we would have been the ’17 version of Bama, getting in 4th, but just happening to be the hottest team.

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      • sniffer

        I didn’t rank any qb and you may be right about Greene. Fromm was solid against Auburn and nothing short of greatness against Oklahoma and Alabama. That’s the closest we’ve come to Glory since Walker put the Dawgs on his back in the Sugar Bowl.

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        • My point is that Greene would have gotten a shot in 2002 with a 4-team playoff. We were 3rd in the rankings after the SEC title game just as we were in 2017. The 2017 SEC champion isn’t in the championship game if it were the old BCS system.

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  11. ugafidelis

    I don’t think it’ll het too bad Bluto. I think it’s pretty much a general consensus of 1, 2, & 3. Or a, b, & c if you will. The differences will be splitting hairs. For me personally it’s:

    1) Greene
    2a Fromm
    2b Shockley
    2c Murray
    3) Stafford

    I put Greene first, mainly because he was at the helm when we “got back to the glory days” as my Dad used to say, and Fromm 2nd because he was at the helm when we allmost reached the promised land. But really, fun season wise you could take any of those four and plug and play for me.

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  12. MDDawg

    1a Greene
    1b Murray
    3a Fromm
    3b Shockley
    5 Stafford

    My sentiments are pretty well aligned with those stated in the article. I put Greene ahead of Murray because he was a record-setter during his time at UGA plus the ’02 SEC championship.

    Murray may be my all-time favorite Dawg (no disrespect intended to Herschel, he was just “before my time”). He ranks 2nd to me based on the records he set plus winning the SEC East twice. I’d also add beating UF 3 times but he didn’t always have his best performances against them. He falls to 2nd on the list only because of not winning a championship, but count me in that group that believes Aaron would have won a title or two if the supporting cast around him had been better. I was thrilled when he announced that he was coming back for the ’13 season, and I’ve always hated how that season was devastated by injuries at the skill positions (thanks Kneeland), then capped off by an injury to Murray himself on senior night. I hated how we lost to Auburn that year, through no fault of Aaron Murray’s. As that article says, “heart of a lion”. After typing all that out, I went back and edited the top two spots to say 1a and 1b. On a side note, my wife follows Aaron Murray on Instagram and keeps me updated on things. Apparently he and his wife are expecting. Congrats Aaron!

    I thought Fromm was an outstanding quarterback and he had an outstanding cast around him. The fact that he was at UGA for 3 seasons, winning the East 3 times in a row and the SEC title once, earns him a spot just above Shockley.

    Shockley was an outstanding player as well, and winning the SEC title is no mean feat. I’m guessing he’d rank higher on this list if he’d had more years as the starter, which is why I have him tied with Fromm. Unfortunately he was banged up for the UF game that year, otherwise I’m confident he would’ve notched a win against the Gators.

    Stafford was the most physically talented of any of these, but based solely on his accolades and achievements while wearing the red & black, I wouldn’t rank him higher than any of the others.

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  13. ASEF

    Fromm for me. Did the most with the least. I mean, Chaney was a moron, and Coley was even worse. His receivers were trash. 🙂

    It’s a nice list of guys to have. Whatever you want to say about Georgia football, it’s had the QBs to get the job done. Richt just struggled to put together an offensive line to max his guys. We’ll see if Smart maxed Fromm or if Fromm maxed Smart.

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  14. Where’s James “Peanut” Jackson??? His team won the intramural hoops title when I ran the program and I always liked him.

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  15. Derek

    Worst is easier:

    Joe T III
    Greyson Lambert
    Quincy Carter
    Joe Cox
    Hutson Mason

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  16. CB

    Fromm had a chance to be at the top, but running off Fields, following that up with a sub par junior season, and leaving us grasping for a viable starter in the transfer portal when he jumped to the NFL are three pretty sour notes.

    That said:

    Greene – Didn’t have elite talent around him or a big arm, but put the team on his back and won a lot of close games for us. If not for Edward’s drop in Jax, may have had an undefeated regular season. Would have been tough to get into the BCS with Miami and tOSU that season, but who knows? Also won the SEC in a blowout.
    Shockley – Waited his turn and if not for an injury that held him out of Jax and a fluke play against Auburn might have had an undefeated regular season as well. Again, good luck getting into the BCS over Texas or USC, but he also won the SEC in a blowout. Too bad WVU executed that fake punt. Shock was well on his way to an epic comeback.
    Stafford – Easily the most talented evidenced by his decade as an NFL starter. Never won the East, and threw a lot of picks, but gave us the magical 07 season featuring our last win against Bama (in Tuscaloosa), Auburn blackout, beat Tebow, and destroyed Hawaii in the last Sugar Bowl Georgia played in that seemed to have real significance.
    Murray – All time stat leader in most categories. Put us on his back and won some meaningful regular season games, but also consistently one of the worst performers in Jax, despite going 3-1. Never could seem to pull it together in the post season.
    Fromm – All time completion percentage leader. Game managed us to the title game and played well enough to beat Bama twice (dominated in 2018 SECCG), but defense couldn’t hold. Sub par production in final season, never could pull it all together and keep it together. Left us in a bad spot. Could have been number 1 if he had returned and fully realized his potential in Athens. Did win the SEC convincingly and ended with a solid Sugar Bowl victory.

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  17. Russ

    Green
    Murray
    Fromm
    Stafford
    Shockley (mainly because his short tenure starting and then getting hurt)

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  18. Dawglicious

    My wife and 3 daughters rank them this way:

    Fromm
    Fromm
    Fromm
    Fromm

    There were real tears when Jake (aka “Cutie Patootie”) announced for the draft. One got to high-five him during a Dawg walk and earned the unending jealousy of the others. I’m not sure she’s washed that hand yet.

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    • ugafidelis

      My youngest son is a huge Fromm fan and got a Dawgwalk high five from him as well. When I told him that Fromm had declared he said, “at least I got to high five him.” lol

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  19. Looks like everyone has Fromm, Greene, Shockley, Stafford, Murray in some order and I wouldn’t disagree. But…
    David Greene is my all time favorite UGA QB, because he was the first in a long time that I saw play and thought “That guy is really good.”
    Side QB question, after all the Eason/ Fromm stuff, was Fran Tarkenton right?

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    • 92 Grad

      I agree and am happy that a lot of us hold a special place in our minds for Greene. He was a great college football player and took our team to heights not seen for many years. He did it first, in a way, in the post 2000 world of CFB.

      I’m not so high on Stafford, but yeah, he was good.

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      • This may be my favorite play ever. Greene to Edwards. I was there with my Dad and Uncle. It went like this:
        Got Sr: “Where’s”
        Uncle Cowdog “The damn”
        Got: “Ball Oh Shit Touchdown!”
        Yep. One of my very favorites if not the.

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  20. Sanford222view

    Murray
    Greene
    Fromm
    Shockley
    Stafford

    Damn if Murray had a defense to compliment his offense.

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  21. MGW

    Regardless of where he should stand, I think the “didn’t quite win it all” factor, the “didn’t come back for one more year” factor, and the fact he was chosen over two other amazing QB’s (the what “might have been” factor) clouds peoples perceptions of him.

    But he won a lot of games, was an excellent leader, and (even if you think another QB could have done the same thing) led this program back from a pretty dark time in very short order. We weren’t entitled to that as a program, and it could have very easily gone the other way. And there have been plenty of QB’s handing off to great backs who did not win shit. I don’t buy that argument against Fromm at all. This is not 1980; Chubb/Michelle were nowhere near as dominant as Walker.

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  22. Mick Jagger

    Random points:

    Jake looks like Vanilla Ice.

    We are the envy of 97+% of college football, and the competition at the top is really strong.

    12-2 still seems disappointing with all the possiblities (yeah, I know this was LSU’s year of years).

    The college game that I grew up loving is a thing of the past.

    All that said …….

    Can’t wait for the Virginia game!

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  23. Otto

    Zeier is very under rated in here. Great arm and offenses, stupid penalties and terrible D hurt his record.

    Greene
    Fromm
    Murray
    Zeier
    Shockley

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  24. David K

    How would you rank them based on Kirby recruiting them as freshman for next year?
    1. Shockley
    2. Stafford
    3. Murray
    4. Fromm
    5. Greene

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  25. Fromm will forever be a “what if” when it comes to his legacy. Was he allergic to TEs and crossing routes, or was that by design? Could he only through back shoulder throws. For the life of me I cant recall him hitting a receiver in stride on a deep route maybe except for the flea flicker versus MSU. He definitely had the deepest surrounding cast of anyone in UGA history, and that’s haunts his legacy too. Murray, Stafford, and Greene all were in a system that had more wide open throttle than Jake, so I can’t even conceptualize Fromm in that system. For some reason Richt wasnt offering him so maybe Fromm was put in the right system for his skill set?

    Fromm was a DGD, just like Shockley, Greene, Stafford, etc. From my days at UGA, I have to say I liked Zeier and Bobo. Zeier kept us in a lot of games we had no business being competitive in (thinking 1993 Florida game). Bobo had a devastating injury but still had a memorable tenure.

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    • Otto

      Isn’t the “what if” majority of the QBs in the past 20 years.

      What if Shockley doesn’t thrown INTs in the WLOCP possibly costing Greene a perfect season.

      What if Shockley doesn’t get injured or starts another year?

      What if Cox goes in for an injured Shockley and wins out? What if Cox isn’t sick catching a late flight into the game? I think Cox was better than the weak one year showing with the illness hurting him. I do think Cox was better than JoeT3. I maybe wrong but we’ll never know. I also think Stafford needed a redshirt year to learn and possibly get his INTs down. Eason and Stafford would be fighting for 5th in the past 20 on my list.

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      • Alan

        “Stafford needed a redshirt year to learn and possibly get his INTs down.”

        My memory of Stafford is that he didn’t make good decisions under pressure, and he often had to throw under pressure. Would have loved to see Stafford with the same kind of o-line Fromm had.

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  26. Dawg Vegas

    I don’t really care about the order…. I’m just happy we’ve had such damn good dawgs and damn good QBs.

    Going back in my lifetime I think about Goff and Robinson in ’76, Buck in the WLOCP and agaimst GTU, Lastinger in the Cotton Bowl, Zeier against Clemson in ’91 and in the deluge in Jacksonville, James Johnson spelling Jackson in the hoses game at Auburn, Bobo to get us to OT on the Plains and to Michael Johnson in the corner to beat the Jackets, Hines Ward against UVA in the Peach Bowl, Quincy at LSU, Daniel Cobb at Kentucky, Greene’s hobnail boot to Haynes and being man enough in Tuscaloosa, DJ against LSU in the 2005 SEC championship, Stafford as a freshman running for yards by the dozen while upsetting Auburn, Murray putting the team on his back in the AU comeback before the hail mary (and STILL almost winning after that!) and enduring untold late hits and uncalled targeting from Fairley, Fromm playing like a 3-year vet in his first start at South Bend and having us in position to win it all in 2017.

    I could go on and on. We’ve been very lucky. I didn’t even get to Faton Bauta in the Cocktail Party…. scratch that last one

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  27. DawgPhan

    You are all wrong. The greatest UGA QB is Todd Gurley.

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  28. Bay Area Dawg

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    https://www.facebook.com/bleucanoe/

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  29. Hobnail_Boot

    Murray
    Fromm
    Greene
    Shockley
    Stafford

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  30. S

    That’s a tougher question than I thought at first.

    Murray was the most productive, obviously. He was pretty fearless. I’ve never seen a QB take more devastating dirty shots than Murray did in 2010 and keep going. He was tough as nails and when he was really on, he was just about unstoppable. He gave the 2012 Alabama defense fits. If he’d had the 2017, 2018, or 2019 defense, he would have gotten a national championship at least once. And 3 straight against Florida really, really counts toward greatness.

    Stafford had the most physical talent. I always said if you gave Murray Stafford’s height and arm, he would have been an all-time great and a #1 draft pick. I can’t imagine how productive he would have been if Calvin Johnson had had the wisdom to go to UGA. With more physical players on both LOS, I think Stafford would have captured at least one SEC championship. Certainly we would have been more competitive against Florida and Alabama in 2008.

    Shockley was by far the best with his feet. He was a terrific leader and was a lot more cerebral than I think he got credit for. If he’d stayed uninjured in 2005, we would have beaten Florida and Auburn (I still think he was slowed that game). No chance, I think, that we could have gotten into the BCS title game over either USC or Texas, but I think that if we had gone into the Sugar Bowl undefeated, that we would have played better to preserve that season. Also, if we’d just played the damn fake punt, I think he could have brought us back down the field and won it. I’m not sure any of these other QBs could have gotten the 2005 SEC championship. And he would have been unreal with today’s RPO offenses.

    Greene was a very good all-around QB. Great head on his shoulders and also a great leader. If I had to choose any QB in Georgia history to lead a last-minute drive for a win, it would be him. With just a little more foot speed and arm strength, he would have been a first rounder. Terrific person, as well. Best play-action ever. And his game against LSU in 2004 was one of the best games ever by a UGA QB. That LSU defense was very good and he just riddled them with pinpoint passing.

    Fromm was, I think, the best freshman QB in program history. We would not have won the Rose Bowl without him making key plays in our drives. He was also very good in 2018. I honestly think a lot of the issues in the passing game in 2019 came down to unimaginative play calling and subpar receivers coaching. We owe a lot of our success over the past 3 years to Fromm.

    Who’s the best quarterback of all of them? I think if I want to compare, I need to set some conditions. Give the QB a very good OL (2018) and a set of backs/receivers that are very good but still need a great QB to make the offense elite. So let’s give our QB Michel in the backfield and Chris Conley, Massaquoi, and Hardman as receivers, and Milner at TE. I chose these because if we put, say, Gurley in the backfield and AJ Green, Fred Gibson, and Malcolm Mitchell at receiver, and Leonard Pope at TE, any half-assed QB could look all-world.

    So. For one drive to win the game with the above back/receivers set, give me Greene. For a game against a defense with elite talent, give me Stafford. For a season, give me Murray or Shockley. I think Fromm is just a little behind all these other quarterbacks under the same circumstances.

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  31. WHB209

    Damn Senator. The Playpen is suppose to be a question about some dumbass politician or something that is extremely aggravating. I have spent about 2 hours thinks about this and I still can not pick the best QB, or the best five QB’s. The idea of placing us in the situation is totally unfair and I might not ever forgive you for this..

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